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On December 03 2009 18:47 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2009 18:41 mmgoose wrote:On December 03 2009 17:26 konadora wrote:
why did they change back tornado's mineral/gas formation at 1/7 the tlpd image of tornado is outdated. the round 1 kespa tornado map already had those changes. no i mean at 1 and 7, the mineral/gas formation was same as the other 2 starting locations now the changed it back to the original formation also, Moon Glaive 12 o'clock main's mineral formation is changed
oh yeah you're right. went from the original west to east then proleague north to south and then reverted back.
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On December 03 2009 16:59 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2009 16:31 Julmust wrote:yeah, now there's no reward in taking those min only bases since you're not securing a gas by securing the min only. I do not like neo hbr  making zvp even harder to get a 4th gas TT
Storr you are crazy if you still think HBR is hard for ZvP.
I don't like what they did to Moon Glave (not that I liked it in the first place). More gas=Bad for PvZ, wider chokes and multiple entrances to your natural just make it seem like a PvZ graveyard, but we will see I guess.
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On December 03 2009 19:11 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2009 16:59 StorrZerg wrote:On December 03 2009 16:31 Julmust wrote:yeah, now there's no reward in taking those min only bases since you're not securing a gas by securing the min only. I do not like neo hbr making zvp even harder to get a 4th gas TT Storr you are crazy if you still think HBR is hard for ZvP. I don't like what they did to Moon Glave (not that I liked it in the first place). More gas=Bad for PvZ, wider chokes and multiple entrances to your natural just make it seem like a PvZ graveyard, but we will see I guess.
at least we'll have more interesting TvTs
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My precious siege tanks is going to be sweet on Neo HBR now
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On December 03 2009 19:11 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2009 16:59 StorrZerg wrote:On December 03 2009 16:31 Julmust wrote:yeah, now there's no reward in taking those min only bases since you're not securing a gas by securing the min only. I do not like neo hbr making zvp even harder to get a 4th gas TT Storr you are crazy if you still think HBR is hard for ZvP. I don't like what they did to Moon Glave (not that I liked it in the first place). More gas=Bad for PvZ, wider chokes and multiple entrances to your natural just make it seem like a PvZ graveyard, but we will see I guess.
hmm I'm guess wider chokes make it easier to bust zerg sim-cities though..
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On December 03 2009 16:23 da_head wrote:y does kespa hate protoss so much
Faggot race needs hard maps so they can burn and suffer.
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Scouting will be a little more interesting on HBR now, and I guess they actually wanted someone to use the middle? Changes to Moon Glaive probably to get less TvTs.
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Pretty big changes for Moon Glaive.
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Thank god they put another entrance to the base on HBR
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I do not like the gassy Moon Glaive. Not fun for PvZ.
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Thanks a lot for those gifs butterbrain. Sometimes it's tough to tell exactly what's up.
Protoss might be able to benefit from the wider ramps in new tornado to flank more easily despite unwieldy army ai.
I agree that new HBR has an easier Terran push position.
Moon Glaive is like a totally different map.
EDIT: extra mins on HBR is worse for zerg.
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so much gas at moon glaive O_O
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oh man, you should have let me do the translation, you missed out so much info
HBR becomes Shin Heartbreak Ridge
Moon Glaive becomes Neo Moon Glaive
Tornado becomes Shin Tornado (although, if you want it to sound better, Neo's fine)
Shin HBR changes:
- Added 500 mineral field at nat
- Centered mineral expos
- Expanded middle of map (all ridges now connected to center)
- Expanded area is unbuildable
Neo Moon Glaive changes:
- Adjusted size so that the originally-mineral-only expo can be blocked with 3 pylons now
- Made changes so that doing siege mode near ramp of entrance doesn't cover the entire nat
- Added 2500 gas at the originally mineral-only expo. However, reduced gas at originally third gas-expo to 2500 gas (meaning all gas is now 2500 except for mains and nats)
- Made changes so that you can't attack third's gas from fourth's and vice-versa
- Made changes so that you can wall with 2 depot 1 rax at main
- Increased area at center of map which is unbuildable
- Made nat's entrance bigger from 6 grid to 8 grid
- Made 2nd entrance to nat closer to main entrance
- Made it possible to build turrets at the area just before getting to high ground from the nat
- Made positional imbalance fixes so that marines and lurkers can harass that nat's gas from the 2nd entrance on all positions
Shin Tornado changes:
- Increased all minerals to 2000 at all naturals
- Reduced gas value at 2nd expo from 2000 to 1000, and increased 1 mineral field (from 7 to 8)
- Made it so that you can wall 2nd expo with 3 pylons
- Increased ramp size at the triangular high grounds, added a neutral building that can be destroyed to widen ramp (250hp stacked 4 times)
- Changed 1/7 main's mineral/gas layout to prevent positional imbalance
Match Point fixes:
- Changed 12/6 gas expo positioning so that gas cannot be harassed from across the wall (not the main wall)
Outsider SE fixes:
- Made it so that you can't defend your main's entrance (ramp area) with just sunkens
Fighting Spirit fixes:
- Fixed so that all positions allow 2 depot 1 rax block at ramp
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Hmm any links to dl Neo HBR?
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thank you Konadora, i guess HBR looks better, but Outsider even those changes, man i just hate that map...
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On December 04 2009 10:58 konadora wrote:
you can close and make an op with all this, or i can just edit the op to include this and the gifs
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On December 04 2009 11:07 jalstar wrote:or i can just edit the op to include this and the gifs
yes just do that, no need to make a new thread
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so almost every map had some changes afterall, thanks!
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Nice, I like the HBR changes.
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YES! I can finally wall off on these maps <3
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