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Ok so I have read though a few filters namely atreides, stutters and kush. Apart from the last minute post I cannot see that much against him(atreides). Sure he went for a no lynch which could mean he is mafia hiding behind null reads but there was plenty of chance to rationalize almost any vote at that point (as mafia). I think he is just inexperienced town without solid reads day one. I know I did this last game if I recall my only solid read was an omgus read on killing and I kinda sheeped onto the person getting lynched. However instead of sheeping he might have decided to go for the no lynch.
The only thing he said about drazak before the flip and last minute vote is that he doesn’t seem connected to the two mafia reads at the time.
On September 19 2012 11:58 Atreides- wrote:Also I don't see how drazak is connected at all with debears/thrawn. The only thing he's posted on the topic isn't even significant: + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2012 03:23 drazak wrote:
As far as looking at Debears goes, I think it's a dead end, I'd definitely like to see his response, but I don't think your reasoning was very good kush, you yourself have show how saying something would look from each perspecting, which is exactly what Debears was doing. IN addition, it's an examination of motives, which is important, everyone has a motive.
So it seems he didn’t think drazak was mafia so a no lynch over someone he doesn’t have any read on would be better.
Looking at stutters filter the only thing I have on him is that he continues a dead topic and doesn’t appear to have posted as much as I would have expected. (also note he hasn’t been in the thread since the flip) and that is it.
I would move onto kush but I keep running into road blocks in my argument against him. I will post what I was going to say if you want but at first I thought he was even more bi-polar style of posting than normal but then he seemed to be set on getting debears. I have noticed he seems more emotional in this thread for some reason. (as in more than normal{maybe trying to get people upset? It worked because of it drazak got annoyed and ended up lynched}) Reading his filter he does mention how sharrant would be a very odd mafia to play like that (and now we almost 100% know he is mason) I guess that is town creed. However he blatantly bandwagons onto drazak. Then he says he wasn’t scummy.
On September 20 2012 09:09 kushm4sta wrote:
My thoughts on killing vs drazak.
drazak
I didn't even think drazak is scummy. I just voted for him now because of the last minute omg we need to vote for someone confusion.
1 he is not that scummy. a lot of scumhunting and nothing that strikes me as a huge scumslip
2 he's not even a lurker. I thought he was more of a lurker but I just went through his filter and I would not consider him a lurker.
killingtime
i was in the process of reading his filter just now, but i just realized the deadline already passed.
so fail.
however before
On September 19 2012 04:27 kushm4sta wrote:
If I had to call a scum team right now it would be Thrawn debears drazak just because they are all defending each other at this point. The only I would be willing to lynch though is debears.
Before you jump down my throat I know it's too early to call scum teams and this is pure speculation.
I don’t really have much more I should probably do a if I die post but I really doubt that will happen. On a side note I would like to see more from Rbemedy; he is talking but I am not getting much of a read either way and that worries me. Almost as much as killing time does; (mostly related to the fact killing was the lynch everyone was happy to do but nobody really considered.)
I will probably look into debears more in light of what I found in kushs case and then go back to see how the killing/drazak quick lynch panned out.
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sweet jumping jesus on a pogo stick
Debears: First off I like your posts about atreides. But on to a momre striking observation, I think the only single thing that you have said different from me were 1) the rethos stuff and 2) when you voted for killing where I voted for drazak. (but even that's something I said I would have done) Now that the pattern has continued for so long I'm really starting to see how strange your posting looks. You seem to like coming into the thread after I've given a read and giving the same exact read. I'd been dismissing it so far because I can't really blame someone for having the same read I do especially just during D1, but now that you come in all over atreides after I have just done the same thing really points to you not wanting to come up with original ideas so FOS debears.
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Jacob my main points about his no lynch idea are that it looks like he had to have been reading the thread ( he even says the no lynch idea occured to him after readin marv's post) which means he would have known when the deadline was, and that a no lynch doesn't match up with how much he had mentioned lynching killing. He even mentioned lynching killing if sharrant claims a mason buddy. Or he could have gone with stutters which was another lurker he thought was scummy and had even voted for. Those points are explained much more thouroughly at the bottom of the last page.
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The test did not go well...all these unit conversions that I had no idea I had to memorize.
I have not read any of the recent posts yet. I mean i skimmed it for the big stuff, like the new guy confirming mason (big shocker there).
I've seen sonic and thrawn accuse me of disappearing before the lynch so I'd like to address that.
When I voted for drazak at that time I thought ok drazak is going to be lynched tonight. Too late to examine other bandwagons.. bye drazak. My point is I didn't think at the time there was a chance at anyone else.
Then people start talking about killing.
Thrawn asks me to give my thoughts about drazak vs killing.
As soon as I see that post I start working on my response. But the problem I haven't really looked into drazak or killing for a long time so I'm not familiar with their filters. I read drazak's filter and write my response to that.
I thought drazak was not as big of a lurker as I remembered and he didn't look that scummy to me.
Then I start reading killing's filter.
I was very prepared to switch my vote. Killing did not seem that suspicious to me, but he sure seemed more suspicious than drazak.
I was going to finish reading killing's filter, and then write why I think he is a better lynch.
Except as I go to write about killing, I realize the deadline has already passed. Fuck me, I think to myself, and I post my incomplete post.
Here it is:
On September 20 2012 09:09 kushm4sta wrote:
My thoughts on killing vs drazak.
drazak
I didn't even think drazak is scummy. I just voted for him now because of the last minute omg we need to vote for someone confusion.
1 he is not that scummy. a lot of scumhunting and nothing that strikes me as a huge scumslip
2 he's not even a lurker. I thought he was more of a lurker but I just went through his filter and I would not consider him a lurker.
killingtime
i was in the process of reading his filter just now, but i just realized the deadline already passed.
so fail.
Now let me clarify something: killingtime is not my strongest scumread. I just thought he was probably a better option than drazak.
So no I did not "go poof." I lost track of time.
Yes I should have been more attentive to the thread, but I thought the drazak bandwagon was more unstoppable than it was.
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In a few hours I will be back to read the thread closely and post my thoughts.
But right now here's where i am.
For now, debears is my top scumread. He was since yesterday and yeah nothing has changed. Need to read his newer posts though.
Thrawn seems significantly off his meta. Anyone who has played with him before recognize this? He's angrier, more accusatory. And I think a lot of his reads are uncharacteristically bad.
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On September 21 2012 02:29 kushm4sta wrote:
The test did not go well...all these unit conversions that I had no idea I had to memorize.
You too? I am so depressed right now... I know I have completly messed something up but... I digress.
@ thrawn I assume you are talking about this?
+ Show Spoiler +In that post he lists a bunch of scenarios and in 2 of them he advises lynching killing or cubu. He says the best option is option 2 which is if sharrant outs a mason and the mason confirms then we lynch cubu or killing. Sharrant ended up outing cubu as a mason so obviously cubu would no longer be his lynch choice which leaves killing as his preferred option. Of course cubu didn't confirm... but it still looks liek a contradiction because of how much he had talked about lynching killing in that post
But then he comes into the thread and said he would have preferred a no lynch and that "There weren't any exceptionally strong arguments against killer / drazak." His lynch reads before the cubu reveal were killing, stutters, and cubu but then later he says he wants a no-lynch because there weren't any good lynch candidates?
in reference to his post about + Show Spoiler +I feel that both Killing and Stutters are slightly scummy/lurky but cubu sounds like a strong vote as well. I was hoping for him to post by now.
He says cubu is "strong" and killing stutters are either slightly scummy or lurky. So the most he said they were is slighly scummy and the least was Slightly lurky. I still feel he is indecisive but I do see that he did at least have a slight read. The problem with saying something like slight is how slight?
Also I do agree about Debears latching on to you (was one of my first posts just everything else got in the way) Still need to go though his stuff side by side with your filter. (also if he does latch in all but one thing how on earth haven't you noticed it until now)
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I wouldn't say significantly off his meta but he does seem to be on the wrong track most of the game (with reference to the mason confirmation) He also went a little overboard in evidence for the masons and only just now realized debears sheeped. Still doesn’t seem a huge amount off and angry? Where is he angry.
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Also where is stutters? This is a long time to be away from the thread after a flip..
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On September 21 2012 02:44 JacobStrangelove wrote:Also I do agree about Debears latching on to you (was one of my first posts just everything else got in the way) Still need to go though his stuff side by side with your filter. (also if he does latch in all but one thing how on earth haven't you noticed it until now)
I have, but at the time people were accusing him of doing it they were making that accusation based off a very small sample size so it wasn't warranted. Today the sharrant mason thing finally reached a conclusion and my next posts are about atreides, and then debears comes in with the same thing making it too strong of a pattern to dismiss.
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Hurm I guess thats fair enough... I'll try and sleep now because of my schedual getting messed up it is now 4 am my time... won't be awake for the night post but it's not crucial.
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Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 02:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
sweet jumping jesus on a pogo stick
Debears: First off I like your posts about atreides. But on to a momre striking observation, I think the only single thing that you have said different from me were 1) the rethos stuff and 2) when you voted for killing where I voted for drazak. (but even that's something I said I would have done) Now that the pattern has continued for so long I'm really starting to see how strange your posting looks. You seem to like coming into the thread after I've given a read and giving the same exact read. I'd been dismissing it so far because I can't really blame someone for having the same read I do especially just during D1, but now that you come in all over atreides after I have just done the same thing really points to you not wanting to come up with original ideas so FOS debears.
The funny thing here is, thrawn, is actually I was onto Atreides before you. Here is your first post about Atreides. Look at the timestamp.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 20 2012 22:31 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 09:16 Atreides- wrote:I wasn't around after my last post, and I mixed up the voting deadline by an hour (thought it would be an hour from now, my bad). Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 15:10 Atreides- wrote:
I didn't actually know about the no-lynch until the mod posted about it. Atreides, I'm not satisfied about the context of your 1-minute-after-deadline post. In that post you said a no-lynch would have been the best choice, and later when asked about the no-lynch thing you said you didn't know about it until a mod confirmed it as real in the thread. Which means that before you made that after-deadline post, you had been following the thread closely enough to see when marv confirmed no-lynch. Marv's post happened at this time. However 14 minutes after marv's post Keirathi posted a vote count and specified the exact lynch time in big bold blue text. People had also been talking about lynch time because there was some confusion about it. So to me it looks like you really weren't reading the thread. You have also said that "weren't around after my last post" which reads as you saying you weren't reading the thread. Clarify the context of all that please.
Now look at the timestamp from my first post about him.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 20 2012[ 12:40 debears wrote:I have a couple of thoughts from reading through all this craziness. First, this jumped out at me. Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 09:01 Atreides- wrote:
God damn this thread blew up fast. I would've went with a no lynch over Drazak but it doesn't matter now. Why would you want a no lynch? Even though the mason claim caused confusion, there were two reasonable candidates in drazak and KillingTime who had been lurking with scummy tells. All a no lynch would have done is keep lurkers around. @SDM + Show Spoiler + Sonic Death Monkey Sweden. September 20 2012 11:20. Posts 403 PM Profile Quote #
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On September 20 2012 10:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
Also, the Cubu mason claim just looks way too convienient... all throughout the last half of D1 he is asking us to trust him abhout things we have no possible way of confirming and if he's mafia then cubu is the safest townie to lie about. At the point when he dropped the cubu claim I didn't think and I don't think anyone else thought that cubu was going to ever post again.
I was thinking about this at the time, but it kind of felt far fetched because Cubu hadn't cast his vote and it seemed weird that he would assumed Cubu wouldn't be back to the thread at least for voting. And if Cubu is in on it, he's basically given up 2 scum. I think looking closer at the exact timing of the various claims he's made may be important. The "outing" of Cubu came late, although it seemed to me the set-up of Cubu as his fake mason buddy would've to have been planned in advance. I will get back on this. His timing can be explained by town and mafia motivations. Town - He waited until the final hour (if i am correct) when he had 6 votes on himself. His back was against the wall and if he is mason it preserves an important part of us. Mafia - By waiting until the end, he sent us into some confusion. We were stuck in a situation where our biggest bandwagons were gone, as Kush said. And, it ended up pushing our focus on lurkers and a mislynch. I have not been able to go through any filters yet to look at everyone's reasoning for their votes. From a first glance, there was good reasoning for most of us for voting who we voted for. Still, I will check more in depth.
Oh wait, another post about Atreides from me. Look at the timestamp.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 20 2012 16:02 debears wrote:Show nested quote + Atreides- United States. September 20 2012 15:10. Posts 71 PM Profile Quote #
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I didn't actually know about the no-lynch until the mod posted about it. If I had, I would've suggested it quite a while ago. I'm assuming that voting for a no-lynch works the same way as voting for a lynch, in that we just need a majority of votes (and not every vote like you said). Maybe I'm wrong on this.
There weren't any exceptionally strong arguments against killer / drazak. The consensus was "eh, he's kinda scummy, and kinda lurking, and he's kinda the best option, let's kill him and see what happens".
So yeah, as a principle I'd support no-lynching (on day one only) versus doing a half-assed lynch on someone else. Where do you get that this was the consensus. There is a reason why they showed up as targets. Although they posted, their posts did not contain much. They voted for other players without stating their own reasons. One thing has just now came to my mind. Show nested quote +The instant bandwagon against him is pretty interesting, and it's obvious now that the mafia had a strong hand in it. Is that why you wanted a no lynch? Show nested quote + The problem with choosing between killer and drazak is that, like I meant earlier, mafia has a lot of power here. If killer turns out to be mafia, his team can go for a drazak vote and the bandwagon easily follows because nobody has strong feelings one way or the other. The time constraint and confusion was really perfect for something like this. The problem with this logic is that you could have said the same for drazak if you don't look at the situation with hindsight. Drazak and Killing did similar things. In fact, any lynching can be due to mafia. Who do you feel is the most mafia right now? Also, mafia can essentially bandwagon on a no lynch also. A no lynch makes it alright for everyone to prevent taking sides on arguments "because no one has strong feelings one way or another". The mafia can hide behind it.
Looks like you came in after me on Atreides. Yet, you come out and lie saying that you accused him first. Then you say I continue to cockride you?
FOS Thrawn
Also, did anyone notice that although I specifically asked Atreides who he thought was the most mafia, he did not acknowledge the question one bit?
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people are saying where wa drazaks scumhunt I refer to. its in this post mainly.
On September 19 2012 03:23 drazak wrote:
I like how people keep saying they need to hear more form me when I basically said my posting schedule for today, kind of cracks me up and makes me wonder if people are actually reading others posts, or just skimming them.
So, the first thing I'd like to bring up is that Killingtime said that he doesn't think FoS is good on day one.
So killingtime, how would you get information d1? Would you just lurk in the shadows and look for someone slip up on their own without bring pressured? FOS forces someone to be pressured into giving an answer, the same as voting for someone. If you don't FOS or vote for people oN D!, you're not doing anything to advance town's agenda. So basically what I'm getting at is:
##FOS Killingtime
Hey diude, what're your top 2 scum picks? Who are your top two town reads? Do you have anyone you'd like to look at more?
As far as looking at Debears goes, I think it's a dead end, I'd definitely like to see his response, but I don't think your reasoning was very good kush, you yourself have show how saying something would look from each perspecting, which is exactly what Debears was doing. IN addition, it's an examination of motives, which is important, everyone has a motive.
I don't really have any questions or other comments, I'll let you know if I do. If I missed some questions aimed at me, let me know, I wish there was a better way to look at a filter of posts that mention me, you know?
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I just want to give everyone some advice because a lot of the reads I'm seeing are straight up ass. atreides saying mafia had a hand in drazzak lynch. there is no mafia motivation for saying that. just because someone says something stupid does not make them mafia. you have to look at peoples motivations. everything else is a feel read and those are pretty worthless.
anyway that's what I learned from last game when all of my feel reads were wrong.
kush out
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On September 21 2012 03:05 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 02:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
sweet jumping jesus on a pogo stick
Debears: First off I like your posts about atreides. But on to a momre striking observation, I think the only single thing that you have said different from me were 1) the rethos stuff and 2) when you voted for killing where I voted for drazak. (but even that's something I said I would have done) Now that the pattern has continued for so long I'm really starting to see how strange your posting looks. You seem to like coming into the thread after I've given a read and giving the same exact read. I'd been dismissing it so far because I can't really blame someone for having the same read I do especially just during D1, but now that you come in all over atreides after I have just done the same thing really points to you not wanting to come up with original ideas so FOS debears. The funny thing here is, thrawn, is actually I was onto Atreides before you. Here is your first post about Atreides. Look at the timestamp. + Show Spoiler +On September 20 2012 22:31 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 09:16 Atreides- wrote:I wasn't around after my last post, and I mixed up the voting deadline by an hour (thought it would be an hour from now, my bad). Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 15:10 Atreides- wrote:
I didn't actually know about the no-lynch until the mod posted about it. Atreides, I'm not satisfied about the context of your 1-minute-after-deadline post. In that post you said a no-lynch would have been the best choice, and later when asked about the no-lynch thing you said you didn't know about it until a mod confirmed it as real in the thread. Which means that before you made that after-deadline post, you had been following the thread closely enough to see when marv confirmed no-lynch. Marv's post happened at this time. However 14 minutes after marv's post Keirathi posted a vote count and specified the exact lynch time in big bold blue text. People had also been talking about lynch time because there was some confusion about it. So to me it looks like you really weren't reading the thread. You have also said that "weren't around after my last post" which reads as you saying you weren't reading the thread. Clarify the context of all that please. Now look at the timestamp from my first post about him. + Show Spoiler +On September 20 2012[ 12:40 debears wrote:I have a couple of thoughts from reading through all this craziness. First, this jumped out at me. Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 09:01 Atreides- wrote:
God damn this thread blew up fast. I would've went with a no lynch over Drazak but it doesn't matter now. Why would you want a no lynch? Even though the mason claim caused confusion, there were two reasonable candidates in drazak and KillingTime who had been lurking with scummy tells. All a no lynch would have done is keep lurkers around. @SDM + Show Spoiler + Sonic Death Monkey Sweden. September 20 2012 11:20. Posts 403 PM Profile Quote #
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On September 20 2012 10:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
Also, the Cubu mason claim just looks way too convienient... all throughout the last half of D1 he is asking us to trust him abhout things we have no possible way of confirming and if he's mafia then cubu is the safest townie to lie about. At the point when he dropped the cubu claim I didn't think and I don't think anyone else thought that cubu was going to ever post again.
I was thinking about this at the time, but it kind of felt far fetched because Cubu hadn't cast his vote and it seemed weird that he would assumed Cubu wouldn't be back to the thread at least for voting. And if Cubu is in on it, he's basically given up 2 scum. I think looking closer at the exact timing of the various claims he's made may be important. The "outing" of Cubu came late, although it seemed to me the set-up of Cubu as his fake mason buddy would've to have been planned in advance. I will get back on this. His timing can be explained by town and mafia motivations. Town - He waited until the final hour (if i am correct) when he had 6 votes on himself. His back was against the wall and if he is mason it preserves an important part of us. Mafia - By waiting until the end, he sent us into some confusion. We were stuck in a situation where our biggest bandwagons were gone, as Kush said. And, it ended up pushing our focus on lurkers and a mislynch. I have not been able to go through any filters yet to look at everyone's reasoning for their votes. From a first glance, there was good reasoning for most of us for voting who we voted for. Still, I will check more in depth. Oh wait, another post about Atreides from me. Look at the timestamp. + Show Spoiler +On September 20 2012 16:02 debears wrote:Show nested quote + Atreides- United States. September 20 2012 15:10. Posts 71 PM Profile Quote #
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I didn't actually know about the no-lynch until the mod posted about it. If I had, I would've suggested it quite a while ago. I'm assuming that voting for a no-lynch works the same way as voting for a lynch, in that we just need a majority of votes (and not every vote like you said). Maybe I'm wrong on this.
There weren't any exceptionally strong arguments against killer / drazak. The consensus was "eh, he's kinda scummy, and kinda lurking, and he's kinda the best option, let's kill him and see what happens".
So yeah, as a principle I'd support no-lynching (on day one only) versus doing a half-assed lynch on someone else. Where do you get that this was the consensus. There is a reason why they showed up as targets. Although they posted, their posts did not contain much. They voted for other players without stating their own reasons. One thing has just now came to my mind. Show nested quote +The instant bandwagon against him is pretty interesting, and it's obvious now that the mafia had a strong hand in it. Is that why you wanted a no lynch? Show nested quote + The problem with choosing between killer and drazak is that, like I meant earlier, mafia has a lot of power here. If killer turns out to be mafia, his team can go for a drazak vote and the bandwagon easily follows because nobody has strong feelings one way or the other. The time constraint and confusion was really perfect for something like this. The problem with this logic is that you could have said the same for drazak if you don't look at the situation with hindsight. Drazak and Killing did similar things. In fact, any lynching can be due to mafia. Who do you feel is the most mafia right now? Also, mafia can essentially bandwagon on a no lynch also. A no lynch makes it alright for everyone to prevent taking sides on arguments "because no one has strong feelings one way or another". The mafia can hide behind it. Looks like you came in after me on Atreides. Yet, you come out and lie saying that you accused him first. Then you say I continue to cockride you? FOS ThrawnAlso, did anyone notice that although I specifically asked Atreides who he thought was the most mafia, he did not acknowledge the question one bit?
I concede your point on the timestamps. Wasn't a lie on part though, just an error. My most recent posts have all been about Atreides and then you post a pretty detailed case against him. Ever since people have called you out for hiding behind me I've not thought it was a good case because there wasn't a large enough amount of posts to base that accusation off of. But I've kept it in the back of mind in case it continues and with my recent memory of me saying a bunch of stuff about atreides and then you coming in with a big case on him, it looked that the pattern people pointed out actually existed.
Kush: read my points against atreides and see if that no-lynch idea looks genuine or not. the argument isn't that a no-lynch is a stupid idea therefore atreides = scum. What I'm saying is that his no-lynch idea doesn't match up with what he was saying pre-lynch.
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I have had an awful irl afternoon so I haven't had a chance to read much in detail in this thread except the mason confirms.
ofc that means Sharrant is effectivley a confirmed towny (and the new guy too I guess). Scumhunting I want/need to look closely tonight/tomorrow at debears's posting from before and after flip and see if my scumread on him still holds.RemedySC's
play has also been super lurky from what I can see and has dropped off the radar. His play reminds me of imcasey in the last game, making a single weak case and then shutting up. Hopefully we don't lose two players overnight.
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Remedy why was your vote so uselessly parked on kush? You were another one of the poeple who jumped in after the mislynch expressing how horrible it was, yet you weren't around during the final clusterfuck. At the beginning of the game you said you have the lynch day off work and you'll be around a lot during that, what happened to that?
Going through your filter right now and this looks spretty scummy:
On September 19 2012 11:51 RemedySC wrote:Kush, this post stood out to me also. Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 07:21 debears wrote: Why are you trying so hard to associate drazak, thrawn, and me. Understandly, my earlier posts would link me and thrawn. However, drazak does not come anywhere into play. Look at my filter there is one post about drazak. Debears posts do seem to link him and Thrawn, and if drazak is a part of this trio, than this post could just be another defense for his said teammate.
No offense to kush but kush's scumteam theory was completely awful. What I see is you coming in and sheeping onto an insubstantial case in order to get a mislynch on me, drazak and (maybe) debears. That scumteam idea is such a weak argument I find it hard to believe a town player would honestly use it. Which leads me to wonder why kush brough it up in the first place, but I'm still unsure of kush because I have a hard time serparating crazy scum things he could have said with crazy town things he always said in previous games.
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no shit the scumteam was bad. it wasn't meant as anything but a description of my thought process.
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On September 21 2012 04:30 kushm4sta wrote:
no shit the scumteam was bad. it wasn't meant as anything but a description of my thought process.
Kush accusing you isn't the point of that post, but it did look strange and right now you're the hardest person for me to judge because of your meta. I know that at least 2 of those players in the team are town (meaning it's promoting at least 2 mislynches) and it makes him look even worse than it made you look because he went along with going along with it. Looking at that point, and combinging it with him being completly absent during the voting confusion (after talking about how he's off work on lynch day) and then posting immediately after the mislynch saying how bad it was I've got a pretty strong scumread on him. Look at his filter and tell me what you think.
Remedy what are your scumreads atm?
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On September 21 2012 04:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
No offense to kush but kush's scumteam theory was completely awful. What I see is you coming in and sheeping onto an insubstantial case in order to get a mislynch on me, drazak and (maybe) debears. That scumteam idea is such a weak argument I find it hard to believe a town player would honestly use it. Which leads me to wonder why kush brough it up in the first place, but I'm still unsure of kush because I have a hard time serparating crazy scum things he could have said with crazy town things he always said in previous games.
No offense to thrawn but thrawns everything theories are completely awful.
What do I think of your atreides theory? HUH is what I think.
I read his posts. I read your posts regarding his posts. I read them again. and again and again. I still dont get it. You are saying he said he didn't know about no lynch but did know about no lynch. Just confused the fuck out of me. What did he even do wrong...why does that make him mafia.
Atriedes just strikes as a big noob basically. He says stupid shit that makes no sense, but that doesn't make him mafia.
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