EPTNothing I have said is scummy! I've just been trying to be honest with my intentions and what I'm thinking. I will stand by any statement I make as genuine, even if it's not completely thought out. Yes I say what's on my mind stop saying that is scummy.
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Nothing I have said is scummy! I've just been trying to be honest with my intentions and what I'm thinking. I will stand by any statement I make as genuine, even if it's not completely thought out. Yes I say what's on my mind stop saying that is scummy. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 21 2012 04:54 kushm4sta wrote:I read his posts. I read your posts regarding his posts. I read them again. and again and again. I still dont get it. You are saying he said he didn't know about no lynch but did know about no lynch. Just confused the fuck out of me. What did he even do wrong...why does that make him mafia. Atriedes just strikes as a big noob basically. He says stupid shit that makes no sense, but that doesn't make him mafia Ok, he comes in the thread 1 minute after deadline saying that town should have no-lycnhed. He was then accused of saying that because he's trying to give himself townie points. His responce to that was that A) He didn't know when the deadline was and B) the reason he didn't push for no-lynch earlier was because he didn't know it was possible until marv said it was. Well I that doesn't look like a likely story. For him to not have known when lynch deadline was he would have had to not been reading the thread because 14 minutes after marv posted the no-lynch thing the other mod posted how much time was left until lynching. However debears did point out that marv posted about the no-lynch a minute after his last post before deadline so it's not a 100% confirmed lie but I don't buy that he wasn't lurking in the thread. Another reason why his no-lynch idea doesn't seem legit is because he had been talking about different scenarios that could happen and in half of them he said we should vote for killing. My biggest read right now is on remedy...... I asked you for you to look at remedies filter please do it, and what do you think about my case against him? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Your two main arguments against him. 1 He sheeped on my retarded scumteam notion. I don't like this read because it seems like the case here is stupidity = scum. Not everyone is as enlightened as you about the uselessness of association cases. Are they bad? Yes I agree with that but I don't think making them is a scumtell. 2 His useless vote for me. I don't see the scum motivation in this, since both our bandwagons were town. He is not following the town plan of consolidating our bandwagon, but we never made that plan concrete really. He didn't believe in the sharrant case. He has been consistently against lynching lurkers, so that's why he wouldn't vote for cubu. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
However debears did point out that marv posted about the no-lynch a minute after his last post before deadline so it's not a 100% confirmed lie but I don't buy that he wasn't lurking in the thread I didn't point out that marv's post was 1 minute after atreides last one before the lynch. But now that you bring it up I do see that is true. So it is very possible that he knew about the no lynch right after he posted. If so, why did he wait to bring it up right after the night started? He already knew about the drazak lynch at the deadline so he had to have been reading the thread. I'm not sure if you covered this part yet and I don't want to read through your filters right now. The other possibility is that he didn't see the no lynch post. Still, he knew about it at the exact time of the deadline and got the post about the no lynch in. Thus, he must have been reading the thread I bring up this again to illustrate that, either way you look at it, he had to have been looking at the thread. His excuse about mixing up the times has no ground. This does also bring up a better question. @Stutters + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 06:08 Stutters695 wrote: Sorry, not sure why that submitted when I hadn't pressed enter or used my mouse. Reread the rules, this is plurality voting not majority. Even if you hold a majority you won't die until the day ends. Also when you unvote you don't say a name after. Just would like a clarification for future reference since the rules don't mention it one way or another; Are we allowed to vote no lynch? Now moving on to this trainwreck: Who is your mason partner and why haven't they backed you up? Where are your breadcrumbs? Quite frankly I don't believe you. If you really are a mason you should say your partners name and they should speak up as well. Should one of you die, that leaves the other as a confirmed town. If you really are a mason you shouldn't have claimed but since you have you need to make the most out of it. ##unvote ##vote Sharrant Why did you bring up the no lynch? You still voted... | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 21 2012 05:57 kushm4sta wrote: Just read through remedy's filter. Don't see how this guy can be anybody's "biggest read." Your two main arguments against him. 1 He sheeped on my retarded scumteam notion. I don't like this read because it seems like the case here is stupidity = scum. Not everyone is as enlightened as you about the uselessness of association cases. Are they bad? Yes I agree with that but I don't think making them is a scumtell. 2 His useless vote for me. I don't see the scum motivation in this, since both our bandwagons were town. He is not following the town plan of consolidating our bandwagon, but we never made that plan concrete really. He didn't believe in the sharrant case. He has been consistently against lynching lurkers, so that's why he wouldn't vote for cubu. The scumteam thing is not about stupidity = scum, it's about him going along with a a dumb idea that will end up lynching at least 2 confirmed town. Judging by your last post I don't think you think I'm town but that has nothing to do with my personal read on him because I know my alignment. And his vote for you accomplishes nothing at all. There was absolutely no way you were getting lynched so even if he was town and didn't want to lynch a lurker why wouldn't he pick his scummiest read out of the people that could possibly have been lynched? He was also absent during all the confusion near vote deadline, and came in after the mislynch talking about how it was dumb. That looks scummy because he wasn't around during the confusion to help town out, yet he is there 9 minutes afterwards talking about how the lynch didn't go well. So what's your biggest scumread? Earlier you said it's debears and that you'd read his new posts but you haven't said anything about that since then. | ||
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thrawn2112
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kushm4sta
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kushm4sta
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 21 2012 06:19 kushm4sta wrote: In my eyes the drazak mislynch was not hotly debated. Sharrant was hotly debated. drazak was just a desperation lynch. Not talking about drazak specifically, the whole thing in general. It really started to get as you say 'desperate' once sharrant claimed cubu as mason and remedy was not posting during that time. He was lurking in the thread, but not contributing. The lurking read is based off of how quickly he posted after the lynch. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
@KillingTime + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 04:11 KillingTime wrote: I have had an awful irl afternoon so I haven't had a chance to read much in detail in this thread except the mason confirms. ofc that means Sharrant is effectivley a confirmed towny (and the new guy too I guess). Scumhunting I want/need to look closely tonight/tomorrow at debears's posting from before and after flip and see if my scumread on him still holds.RemedySC's play has also been super lurky from what I can see and has dropped off the radar. His play reminds me of imcasey in the last game, making a single weak case and then shutting up. Hopefully we don't lose two players overnight. This post came off odd to me. Here you state you have a "scumread" on remedy. Yet, your reasons for your scumread are behaviors that you have exhibited this game. You have dropped off the radar other than 1 post after night saying that you hope we don't lost anyone. Also, the only "cases" you have made are against cubu and me. Cubu's case wasn't anything new. He was lurking hardcore. Not much to add. Then, in your case against me, you gave weak reasons, voted for me with weak reasons, and even said this: As far as "My" case (not really "my" case - but my vote) on Debears goes I still prefer him slightly over sharrant. So you haven't actually made a case against me. And the one against Cubu had nothing to explain behind it. Do you have a genuine read to contribute to us? I am looking into remedy. And I happened to find you on him along with jacob and thrawn. Still, your post came before thrawn sent out his 2 larger ones with the case against remedy. However, that does not excuse your justification for your suspicion | ||
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RemedySC
Canada176 Posts
I will have a post up with my reads and defense soon. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
K guys I did the legwork on this monster of a filter. Tell me what you think. 1 Being active when he said he'd be lurking On September 14 2012 07:26 thrawn2112 wrote: i do have internet, i just have to walk/ride a long ass time to get it. Thrawn was quite reluctant to join this game. Before the game started he warned us that he would be lurking more than usual. Except that hasn't happened. In fact, he has been extremely active. Imagine this, thrawn, in his 4th game, finally gets mafia, the role he has dreamt of ever since he learned about the game. That is something that could spur activity. 2 His multitude of paper thin cases. These are his accusations throughout the game so far. 1 fos sonic for making a survey 2 fos killing for saying he doesn't like FOS 3 vote sharrant for saying a bunch of different stupid shit Yet debears does not earn an fos even though he gives them out like candy... then d2 4 fos debears for copying his arguments (d1 it was ok d2 it's not?) 5 atreides he tells me I need to look at for being confused about no lynch 6 remedy who is suddenly out of no where his TOP scumread. Thrawn's case: he made a commented on a stupid scumteam thought I had. Also he didn't vote for a bandwagon d1. And that's his "biggest read"... Here is him yelling at killingtime for making a thin case: On September 19 2012 02:06 thrawn2112 wrote: Killing are you for real? You make a post devoid of content which I call you out for, then in your next post you actually start talking about current discussion but then you make a vote for someone based on a single sentence of justification? But less than an hour earlier thrawn makes a case also based on only 1 sentence of justification: On September 19 2012 01:16 thrawn2112 wrote: ##Fos KillingTime Nice contribution to the thread. Do you really think that's something worth talking about when there are already lots of other discussions going on? 3 His total lapse of logic after sharrant role claims. On September 20 2012 06:57 thrawn2112 wrote: So, I don't know if I should trust this mason claim or not, but what does everyone think about this plan: So maybe we should lynch cubu, and if cubu flips mason well then at least we have a confirmed town player (sharrant) and we haven't lost a useful poster. If Cubu doesn't flip mason then we atuo lynch sharrant D2. What does everyone think about this plan huh? Well what I think is that you are fishing to see if town will follow this madness. Cubu is basically confirmed town and you want to lynch him anyway. 4 the real story of d1 Thrawn is on my ass about a redirection of a killing lynch onto drazak. Well that did not happen. The real redirection, which no one has even talked about, is from debears to sharrant. Debears had a majority vote. Thrawn defends debears, pushes sharrant, and suddenly sharrant has the majority vote. | ||
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RemedySC
Canada176 Posts
I have been adamant about the lurker policy, and defended cubu against kush in this post On September 20 2012 04:01 RemedySC wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 03:23 kushm4sta wrote: The lynch votes are amassing for sharrant. Lynching someone active d1 almost always results in lynching a townie! Can i present an alternative bandwagon for the people who think he's probably town: CUBU... He is winning the race for biggest lurker. At least if he is town we can lynch and not feel so bad if he flips green. So basically he is saying that he will continue to lurk throughout the whole game. Until next week is a long time. We have 3 options. 1 We lynch him now as a policy lynch. 2 We let him live and continue to argue lurker policy until we lynch him. 3 We ignore him and just rely on the 75% chance he is town. Our read of sharrant will get better. Our read of drazak will remain null. I'm unvoting debears but I still suspect him. Just that bandwagon isn't happening anymore and I would rather lynch a lurker anyway. ##unvote debears ##vote cubu Why so obsessed with Cubu? Unless you are mafia and know he would be an easy town to get rid of quickly. You don't even seem to consider whether he is town or scum. Your only reason to lynch him is that he is lurking. Also why would the town feel less badly about Cubu turning up green than sharrant? Everyone else seems to have a good indication that he is mafia. Are you trying to protect him? Does any one else have an opinion on Kush's motives? Cubu's role is obviously proven town now. On September 21 2012 04:15 thrawn2112 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Remedy why was your vote so uselessly parked on kush? You were another one of the poeple who jumped in after the mislynch expressing how horrible it was, yet you weren't around during the final clusterfuck. At the beginning of the game you said you have the lynch day off work and you'll be around a lot during that, what happened to that? Going through your filter right now and this looks spretty scummy: On September 19 2012 11:51 RemedySC wrote: Kush, this post stood out to me also. Debears posts do seem to link him and Thrawn, and if drazak is a part of this trio, than this post could just be another defense for his said teammate. No offense to kush but kush's scumteam theory was completely awful. What I see is you coming in and sheeping onto an insubstantial case in order to get a mislynch on me, drazak and (maybe) debears. That scumteam idea is such a weak argument I find it hard to believe a town player would honestly use it. Which leads me to wonder why kush brough it up in the first place, but I'm still unsure of kush because I have a hard time serparating crazy scum things he could have said with crazy town things he always said in previous games. I said it didn't turn out too great, and guess what, it didn't. That trio comment was at a time when debears was wierdly into defending you, and in my mind I thought Kush had a reasonable post. On September 21 2012 04:52 thrawn2112 wrote: Remedy what are your scumreads atm? My biggest read was on Kush. On September 20 2012 09:43 kushm4sta wrote: im done for tonight goodbye. and a special fuck you to thrawn for accusing me for voting for drazak. @ thrawn you are the one who pushed a lynch on the active, obviously town, mason. you are the one who right after said it might still be a good idea to lynch cubu. you are the one who shoudl feel bad. goodnight. This post seemed very emotional. Could be he is town and he just feels very bad for the mislynch, or he is mafia and is getting flustered with the recent accusations. I am leaning towards the latter. But onto a different topic. Why, Thrawn, does it not seem suspicious that you kept on about Sharrant even after he had a very reasonable claim. Looked like to me you were trying to find something to exploit to restart the bandwagon against him. I have more, and I will write that in another post. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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RemedySC
Canada176 Posts
On September 21 2012 07:46 thrawn2112 wrote: Kush those points againt me are either meaningless or huge misrepresentations of what actually happened. I'll post my response in a bit. You either haven't grasped the logic of a lot of my cases (specifically the remedy which till now you'e ignored my request for you to give a read on him) or you're scum. Kush actually did provide his read. On September 21 2012 05:57 kushm4sta wrote: Just read through remedy's filter. Don't see how this guy can be anybody's "biggest read." Your two main arguments against him. 1 He sheeped on my retarded scumteam notion. I don't like this read because it seems like the case here is stupidity = scum. Not everyone is as enlightened as you about the uselessness of association cases. Are they bad? Yes I agree with that but I don't think making them is a scumtell. 2 His useless vote for me. I don't see the scum motivation in this, since both our bandwagons were town. He is not following the town plan of consolidating our bandwagon, but we never made that plan concrete really. He didn't believe sharrant case. He has been consistently against lynching lurkers, so that's why he wouldn't vote for cubu.in the Looks like you're digging, and avoiding the accusations against you. ##FOS Thrawn | ||
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Stutters695
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 21 2012 07:40 kushm4sta wrote: #fos thrawn K guys I did the legwork on this monster of a filter. Tell me what you think. 1 Being active when he said he'd be lurking Thrawn was quite reluctant to join this game. Before the game started he warned us that he would be lurking more than usual. Except that hasn't happened. In fact, he has been extremely active. Imagine this, thrawn, in his 4th game, finally gets mafia, the role he has dreamt of ever since he learned about the game. That is something that could spur activity. Obviously regardless of my alignment I am in a position to be posting up the same amount that's been my meta so far. I did not think I would have computer access this game but that has changed. Your argument is basically that before the game even started I lied about how much posting I could do somehow knowing or hoping against odds that I would be mafia and I could use that to trick people into making a false meta read. 2 His multitude of paper thin cases. These are his accusations throughout the game so far. 1 fos sonic for making a survey That happened at the very start of the game. Of course any accusation at that point is going to be weak. The accusation was based on me seeing a simialar action from when he was scum in our last game. I didn't see the point of the surveys. Last game as scum he proposed that people make read lists which I thought that was a scummy tactic. He was scum that game leading me to think he was doing a similar thing in this one. 2 fos killing for saying he doesn't like FOS I didn't fos him for him saying he didn't like FOS. I fos'd him for coming into the thread at a point when people were alread makking and sharing reads and he made a fluff post. 3 vote sharrant for saying a bunch of different stupid shit bunch of stupid shit = making a vote for debears based on a paragraph of reasoning and saying he wants to force debears to role claim. Later I stuck to my vote because he was talking about a secret plan that he wasn't willing to share with us. I assumed he was suggesting he was a blue role and I even tried to think through what possible things a blue player could do in that situation and I came up with nothing so his claim that he had a plan seemed like a complete lie. Yet debears does not earn an fos even though he gives them out like candy... then d2 4 fos debears for copying his arguments (d1 it was ok d2 it's not?) First you say i am supicisous for not fosing debears and when I do it makes me suspicious? 5 atreides he tells me I need to look at for being confused about no lynch I don't see what's scummy about that 6 remedy who is suddenly out of no where his TOP scumread. Thrawn's case: he made a commented on a stupid scumteam thought I had. Also he didn't vote for a bandwagon d1. And that's his "biggest read"... I've already told you that my case on remedy isn't because he agreed with a stupid post. here and also read my post right after it. Here is him yelling at killingtime for making a thin case: But less than an hour earlier thrawn makes a case also based on only 1 sentence of justification: Yes it's hypocritical but that doesnt mean scum 3 His total lapse of logic after sharrant role claims. What does everyone think about this plan huh? Well what I think is that you are fishing to see if town will follow this madness. Cubu is basically confirmed town and you want to lynch him anyway. I didn't try to push it much further than that. I think it was stutters who pointed out what the worst possible outcome of that plan was and I dropped it after that and started contributing to the lurker lynch discussion 4 the real story of d1 Thrawn is on my ass about a redirection of a killing lynch onto drazak. Well that did not happen. The real redirection, which no one has even talked about, is from debears to sharrant. Where did I accuse you of redirecting from killing to drazak? Debears had a majority vote. Thrawn defends debears, pushes sharrant, and suddenly sharrant has the majority vote. That's an association case so it's assuming that at bare minimum, debears is confirmed scum in order for me to be scum. | ||
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RemedySC
Canada176 Posts
On September 18 2012 14:45 thrawn2112 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 13:49 drazak wrote: I'm already accused of being trashy town? Really Kush? Man, you're prejudiced right off the bat. I know you can post while you're at work and stuff, but I can't post in class and I can't post when I'm tutoring people. If you'd like I can sleep-post and it'll be really bad. Sorry if my posts last game weren't up to your posting standard kush. For the record, I might not post consistently at different times, and maybe I'll push agressively against someone, my reasons will usually be good. I'd ask that people use their own logic after reading my posts, look at the evidence provided and use your logic. Last game we had a lot of people not thinking for themselves, I'll be going to bed soon so don't expect another post from me. I'll probably post in the morning, and I think I'll post before tutoring, but I don't think I'll be posting until maybe this time tomorrow again after that. My thoughts while reading this: "man this guy is going out of his way to defend himself when there's no need to" And that's a scum trait....so drazak, I'm watching you buddy. I don't see why you'd ask everyone to be fair and "use their own logic" and "look at evidence" when reading your future posts... obviously those things are what everyone is trying to do. It looks a little suspicious that you're already defending criticisms of your posts that haven't even happened yet. If it's all because kush pissed you off then too bad you should ignore that, he does it from time to time. Why get worked up over this post by drazak, when he was replying to Kush? He is very capable of defending himself. On September 19 2012 05:53 thrawn2112 wrote: Uh, saying that drazak and I defended each other is a lie. In fact it's the exact opposite of the truth. Scum slip? That sentence totally contradicts itself. | ||
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
When Atreides said "mafia obviously had a big hand" in the bandwagon switching over, that is not just a stupid statement, that is a scummy statement. You can't deny that. It's taking a big opportunity (the flipping of a green) to then paint ALL of the most active players as mafia. If he's mafia, that's absolutely a reason to say it. That's motive. Not sure if he's mafia, but if he were I would expect him and Kush to be mafia together. THe Atreides/Kush team is definitely a stretch, but that's the feeling I have at this point. They've both come and left at awkward times, both had something to say immediately after Drazak flipped green, and their explanations were both questionable. Thrawn being mafia is possible, on one hand he stopped a bandwagon on someone he would have then known for sure was not lying about being the mason. On the other he was pushing to lynch Cubu to verify my claim (which most likely would have ended in my night death). I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt on this one. SDM is relatively good in my books, at this point I'm thinking of him as town. Remedy is still an unknown quantity in my eyes. I'm especially not following his little bit on Thrawn and Drazak there, Thrawn attacked Drazak, not defended. Jacob seems like town for the most part, but he's a weak read for me. If I'm alive in 10 minutes I'll be going through his filter very thoroughly. KillingTime is still suspicious. Did Atreides or Kush ever go after him? I think Kush mentioned he would've gone for him, but still went with Drazak, so that makes it less likely, but I'm not sure. Stutters is worrying, I'd look into him as he starts to post more. But I really don't know, there's been too little from him to get a really good read. Rethos has always given me a scum feeling, but I've never had real strong evidence to be able to back up that feeling. Debears was scummy early, seemed pretty townie during the last bit of day 1. I'm more interested in how his case against Thrawn will hold up across Day 2, that's where I think the most earnest read of him will come from. Remember, there could be an SK even if there are no kills, at this point as SK that would be my plan because you guys aren't used to playing with a serial killer. It's very different from the mafia in the way it has to be played. Hopefully more from me on D2, otherwise good bye, and good luck! | ||
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