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JacobStrangelove
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RemedySC
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Also, was that role block from mafia? | ||
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debears
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On September 21 2012 09:15 thrawn2112 wrote: for the record, I got a pm from marv saying I was roleblocked Did anyone else get roleblocked? If not, it is likely that Sonic roleblocked thrawn. Seems unlikely though, since I don't recall Sonic ever calling out thrawn. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 21 2012 12:25 RemedySC wrote: Thrawn, you haven't replied to a single post I made about you. Do you have a response to any of my concerns? Also, was that role block from mafia? I saying a got a message saying exactly "you were roleblocked." Thought I'd post it so that A) if the roleblock came from a town player they will know I'm at being honest and B) If it came from a mafia then town will have more information. In either case it gives everyone more info to work with. Maybe not now but at some point in the future.... in my first game mafia started making up a bunch of fake "I got roleblocked" claims and town was able to see through them because people had been saying the exact times they got roleblocked throughout the game. I don't see why I would get roleblocked though. Sonic the JK could have done it but I don't think so because I think he had a town read on me. That leaves only the possibilities that there's a town roleblocker who did it or the mafia did it but I have no information or theories about that so kinda useless to speculate further. On September 21 2012 09:42 RemedySC wrote: Okay, I don't think mafia got lucky in killing a blue. Looks like other than the Sharrant read, Sonic's biggest read was Atreides-, Debears, and Killing. All three have had good arguments made against them. Possibly they they thought Sonic might have more info. Remedy this post sets off my scum alarms. I son't have any evidence (and neither do you) why mafia would have killed sonic other than that he was really townish and I don't think anyone suspected him. So when you start talking about how they might have killed him because of his reads it just makes me think there's some manipulation going on behind his nightkill and your post. On September 21 2012 08:40 RemedySC wrote: This post by Thrawn to me screams mafia if you think of drazak as a town. Why get worked up over this post by drazak, when he was replying to Kush? He is very capable of defending himself. You're saying I was defending drazak or kush or something? I can't really tell what you're accusing me of here. I wasn't defending anybody I was putting out a scummy thing that drazak said. On September 21 2012 08:40 RemedySC wrote: Scum slip? That sentence totally contradicts itself. What's the contradiction? Kush said drazak debears and I all defended each other and I said it's a lie and the truth is the opposite of kush's claim. Kush claim = we defended each other and the truth/opposite of what kush said = I had been suspicious of drazak. Was there anything else I think got all your direct questions | ||
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RemedySC
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thrawn2112
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On September 21 2012 13:01 RemedySC wrote: You know, I could see sonic role blocking you. His power also allows him to save someone, if his strongest town read was you, then he would use it on you. If the reasoning behind that is that he is trying to save his strongest town read then it would have gone to either of the 2 confirmed masons. Anyway there are tons of possible explanations of the roleblock and no reason to believe any of more than any other so I'd rather not speculate about it. | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
On September 21 2012 13:10 thrawn2112 wrote: If the reasoning behind that is that he is trying to save his strongest town read then it would have gone to either of the 2 confirmed masons. Anyway there are tons of possible explanations of the roleblock and no reason to believe any of more than any other so I'd rather not speculate about it. He could have gone with a WIFOM theory though. However yeah discussing the role block possibilitys this early in the game doesn't exactly help. | ||
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thrawn2112
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JacobStrangelove
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+ Show Spoiler + I’m getting more and more tired again however I will move onto kush. I don’t think anybody denies kush is hard to read. But I will list the things of meta that I know about kush. He posts a lot he tends to be spazzy and is highly illogical. That said don’t know what his mafia meta is like (I imagine it would be similar) and he seems to be more so strange than usual. For one he is more bi-polar than usual. (last game he was pretty sure on his reads and I had to force him to change) I am tired to I will just copy paste. I am looking to step up my play this game. Last game was quite humbling for me. I made a lot of bad calls, and d1 caused a mislynch >< IM SORRY CUBU Very next post If you write 1 post a day but it's a brilliant epic post then that's cool with me. I can be realistic about people's busy schedules. And that is WAY better than a few little posts with no content. .. and I'm looking at you STUTTERS, DRAZAK, and ESPECIALLY CUBU who were all town last game but pretty trash town. While this isn’t a read it goes from Sorry to YOU’RE TRASH. But I will get to the actual reads now. Oh lol, just ran into this by kush. You call me insincere because at first I say sorry cubu for bandwagoning him last game, then I call him out for lurking? I am not going to make a case against him for lurking, but I think a COUPLE words saying so and so are lurking we still need a post is fine. And yeah I will say cubu played really really bad last game. I wont apologize for saying that. I'm still sorry for lynching him. I was not trying to start a flame war for with cubu, I was just trying to get him to post. I think encouraging lurkers to post by calling them out or asking them questions is productive. Making cases against lurkers is not productive. (this part is from today) So with this I kinda stopped because his filter was large and I needed sleep, I still didn’t end up sleeping for a while after but in anycase. Ok this is where I left off my kush thoughts however now I will continue from a point I can analise just before the mason claim. Before the mason claim you write this. On September 20 2012 05:34 kushm4sta wrote: OK so as I see it here are our options atm: Sharrant, cubu, killing. Killing is not that much of a lurker. He's not lurker enough to even be considered a lurker IMO. Killing is scummy looking to me, but he looked that way last game too. Then when he realises another bandwagon is needed he says On September 20 2012 07:22 kushm4sta wrote: we need an alternate bandwagon and we need it fast. I like debears if people really don't want to lynch a lurker. I like another lurker as the best choice though I'm not sure which one I would pick now. drazak maybe? I want to here what other people think. we need an epic swift band wagon of justice or we are going to get a no lynch He dropped his killing idea entirely he said it was because he didn’t have time to read killings filter but assuming he didn’t leave there is a hour gap at least before the vote. Killings filter isn’t that large. and if he thought he was scummy before surely he wouldn't need to read that much filter to catch up... Also he says this On September 20 2012 09:14 kushm4sta wrote: yeah i don't consider drazak to really be a lurker. and yeah the only reason i voted for him was total 100% bandwagon ill admit it lol When just before he mentioned Drazak maybe? There must be some reason for this... He probably made a hint at a bandwagon and then pretended he jumped on it 100% bandwagon style because he “had no say in the matter” He didn’t jump on the bandwagon he planted the seed... He said to go for drazak over killing, The only mention I could find before this was sharrent saying he would go for drazak but then saying killing or drazak. So my theory is kush sees this jumps on drazak with the one line instead of killing (why?) Are they both scum? Who knows but in anycase it worked sonic went on drazak and sharrent went on drazak. Sharrent was on him already but he is almost 100% confirmed town now, sonic is confirmed town and kush looks to be the one who jumped in on the flow of things. | ||
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RemedySC
Canada176 Posts
On September 21 2012 06:09 thrawn2112 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 05:57 kushm4sta wrote: Just read through remedy's filter. Don't see how this guy can be anybody's "biggest read." Your two main arguments against him. 1 He sheeped on my retarded scumteam notion. I don't like this read because it seems like the case here is stupidity = scum. Not everyone is as enlightened as you about the uselessness of association cases. Are they bad? Yes I agree with that but I don't think making them is a scumtell. 2 His useless vote for me. I don't see the scum motivation in this, since both our bandwagons were town. He is not following the town plan of consolidating our bandwagon, but we never made that plan concrete really. He didn't believe in the sharrant case. He has been consistently against lynching lurkers, so that's why he wouldn't vote for cubu. The scumteam thing is not about stupidity = scum, it's about him going along with a a dumb idea that will end up lynching at least 2 confirmed town. I acknowledged an idea, that is all. Nothing ever came of it afterwards. On September 21 2012 06:09 thrawn2112 wrote: . Judging by your last post I don't think you think I'm town but that has nothing to do with my personal read on him because I know my alignment Of course you know your alignment. Why do you even have to say that. On September 21 2012 06:09 thrawn2112 wrote: And his vote for you accomplishes nothing at all. There was absolutely no way you were getting lynched so even if he was town and didn't want to lynch a lurker why wouldn't he pick his scummiest read out of the people that could possibly have been lynched? I made my case against Kush, that is why I voted for him. I had no one I felt as confident about to vote against. I'm not going to just bandwagon onto someone unless I have good evidence. On September 21 2012 06:09 thrawn2112 wrote: He was also absent during all the confusion near vote deadline, and came in after the mislynch talking about how it was dumb. That looks scummy because he wasn't around during the confusion to help town out, yet he is there 9 minutes afterwards talking about how the lynch didn't go well. Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I never once said it was dumb. I stated the obvious and said it didn't go too well. Big deal? Also I mention in another post what I was doing near lynch time. Read it. | ||
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RemedySC
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On September 21 2012 14:34 JacobStrangelove wrote: Ok this was my kush case from last night (the one that I was unsure about) I will post it in a spoiler so you can see what I was thinking. + Show Spoiler + I’m getting more and more tired again however I will move onto kush. I don’t think anybody denies kush is hard to read. But I will list the things of meta that I know about kush. He posts a lot he tends to be spazzy and is highly illogical. That said don’t know what his mafia meta is like (I imagine it would be similar) and he seems to be more so strange than usual. For one he is more bi-polar than usual. (last game he was pretty sure on his reads and I had to force him to change) I am tired to I will just copy paste. I am looking to step up my play this game. Last game was quite humbling for me. I made a lot of bad calls, and d1 caused a mislynch >< IM SORRY CUBU Very next post If you write 1 post a day but it's a brilliant epic post then that's cool with me. I can be realistic about people's busy schedules. And that is WAY better than a few little posts with no content. .. and I'm looking at you STUTTERS, DRAZAK, and ESPECIALLY CUBU who were all town last game but pretty trash town. While this isn’t a read it goes from Sorry to YOU’RE TRASH. But I will get to the actual reads now. Oh lol, just ran into this by kush. You call me insincere because at first I say sorry cubu for bandwagoning him last game, then I call him out for lurking? I am not going to make a case against him for lurking, but I think a COUPLE words saying so and so are lurking we still need a post is fine. And yeah I will say cubu played really really bad last game. I wont apologize for saying that. I'm still sorry for lynching him. I was not trying to start a flame war for with cubu, I was just trying to get him to post. I think encouraging lurkers to post by calling them out or asking them questions is productive. Making cases against lurkers is not productive. (this part is from today) So with this I kinda stopped because his filter was large and I needed sleep, I still didn’t end up sleeping for a while after but in anycase. Ok this is where I left off my kush thoughts however now I will continue from a point I can analise just before the mason claim. Before the mason claim you write this. Then when he realises another bandwagon is needed he says He dropped his killing idea entirely he said it was because he didn’t have time to read killings filter but assuming he didn’t leave there is a hour gap at least before the vote. Killings filter isn’t that large. and if he thought he was scummy before surely he wouldn't need to read that much filter to catch up... Also he says this When just before he mentioned Drazak maybe? There must be some reason for this... He probably made a hint at a bandwagon and then pretended he jumped on it 100% bandwagon style because he “had no say in the matter” He didn’t jump on the bandwagon he planted the seed... He said to go for drazak over killing, The only mention I could find before this was sharrent saying he would go for drazak but then saying killing or drazak. So my theory is kush sees this jumps on drazak with the one line instead of killing (why?) Are they both scum? Who knows but in anycase it worked sonic went on drazak and sharrent went on drazak. Sharrent was on him already but he is almost 100% confirmed town now, sonic is confirmed town and kush looks to be the one who jumped in on the flow of things. This is some odd behavior on Kush. I did not notice him dropping his killingtime case because of "filter length". Some of your stuff has already been brought up. @Kush I would like to know why you are attacking thrawn for putting focus on lurkers, whom you have been adamant of lynching since the beginning. Even if remedy isn't scum, putting some pressure on him can get him involved and make him prove his innocence. Currently, thrawn is our strongest poster. Despite a few things that he has said today that seem scummy, I am willing to put that on hold to put some pressure on these annoying lurkers. Lynching him would be a deathblow to us. Let's stop arguing so much among ourselves and focus on these lurkers to get some more out of them. We are just attacking each other at this point because they aren't answering any questions themselves. Atreides and KillingTime stand as my most scummy lurkers. Rethos, Remedy, and Stutters are still lurky. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 21 2012 14:43 RemedySC wrote: Just re-read this post and want to address it. I acknowledged an idea, that is all. Nothing ever came of it afterwards. . Of course you know your alignment. Why do you even have to say that. He wasn't understanding that part of my case against you. It wasn't that you agreed with something stupid, it was that you agreed with something that would (now in hindsight after drazak's flip) put suspicion on at least 2 town players. Also I don't see why you would have agreed with him if you had been paying attention and had noticed what the interactions were between me and drazak. Looks less like a mafia eager to push anything that casts suspicion on town players. On September 21 2012 14:43 RemedySC wrote: I made my case against Kush, that is why I voted for him. I had no one I felt as confident about to vote against. I'm not going to just bandwagon onto someone unless I have good evidence. Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I never once said it was dumb. I stated the obvious and said it didn't go too well. Big deal? Also I mention in another post what I was doing near lynch time. Read it. This is why that original post looks so scummy. A massive clusterfuck of confusion, role claiming, cubu not being around to vote, and last minute vote switching occured during the last few hours of day 1. I just looked it up again and your post actually came 6 minutes after the lynch instead of 9..... which strongly suggests that you were lurking during the lynch and came in afterwards with a post about how "it didn't go well" in order to make yourself look more town. You came out and confirmed that you were in fact lurking and here is your excuse: "Okay, I was around reading the thread for the last 30-40 minutes before lynch time. I honestly didn't know what I could say to have an impact on the vote. It was clear to me that drazak was going to be lynched, and I didn't see any way for me to change that." So you come after all the craziness and lurk for 30-40 minutes and can't think of anything to say? Not buying that. | ||
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thrawn2112
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JacobStrangelove
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Then I and sharrent would be the only active towns in the thread (I am getting more and more active as I finish assigments) and if one of us was to die in the night the thread would fall apart. I am still not buying the Atreides argument but I need to get more familar witht he case on regent. From what I can see it looks stronger thant he case on Atreides. Also I am still watching debears but his posts are getting better. Only problem can thrawn and Debears really both be town? | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
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On September 21 2012 01:30 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: I'll take a break from this thread to clear my mind. I'll be back in ~12h. Whacking me while I'm on vacation is so fucking rude. Town, avenge me death please. /obs ***********dead************ | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
On September 21 2012 15:53 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: ***********dead************ Whacking me while I'm on vacation is so fucking rude. Town, avenge me death please. /obs ***********dead************ Well nobody else is posting I might have dinner and come back to it later. Sure thing, Sonic shall be our battle cry! We will destroy all Mario(get it mafia {im so funny}) fans and such. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
Like debears said we've got the same set of people going back and forth and kinda just making the same arguments over and over because lots of people aren't giving fresh input... so there's not tooo much to talk about atm until we get more reads from everyone else. I'm pretty confident in my remedy read but I don't wanna let that give people an excuse to keep lurking. Unfortunately there's not a good way to get lurkers to post because by their nature they for whatever reason don't like posting or are unable to post. So all you lurkers: just remember that you guys are who we're gonna look at if our reads fall flat so you need to change that by getting in here and saying what you're thinking. | ||
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