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Believe it or not I was actually making a test to see how much leniancy lurkers get in this game. It seems to me that it's a lot. I mean how much did people take to realize that I was not posting ANYTHING?
My opinions are as follows:
1) The hit on SDM is surprising. If I were mafia I would definetly try and get that confirmed townies out instead. That really irks me a lot. It means that SDM was more of a threat that having a confirmed town. I do not think that they actually got a read on him a blue. He was way to active and open, him flipping blue must have been a surprise for them as well as for us.
2) Lynching an active player seems bad if we don't have a good reason. Right now the feeling I get is that mafia is laughing from the sidelines as some townies fight each other. Again back to the lurker idea. That means putting pressure on people to post.
3) Obviously the mason claim seems very fool proof. It all fits back way to good. The only way it's not true is if Sharrant was planning it all along when there was no pressure and tricked us all into accusing him. (very unlikely - if so... well played sir well played). Obviously also it's a bad risk/reward thing since now if something happens, we have two confirmed mafia.
My biggest problem right now is number 2. I am guilty of it as well but I was actually doing it on purpose. What are the other guys's reasons? Everybody that is not posting, can you tell us why are you not? (I have given my reason, if you need me to go into more detail about it please ask).
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Wait you were lurking on purpose? That is your entire reason for lurking? "Hey guys don't lynch me I was lurking on purpose"
Why would you do that? What do you gain from it? (apart from a social life)
Please elaborate.
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It's not something you need to test we have plenty of them...
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I guess part of the leniency is due to last game where there were so many lurking town it was insufferable. That said if you counted xatalos as a lurker there were two mafia in the lurkers...
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I am actually trying to get my point across. We are giving to much leniency (so that's how you spell that word). And people are kinda mentioning here and there. But must of what's going on is active posters fighting.
This is my actual read for now: there is a significant part of mafia hiding amongst lurkers. That includes me as well but hopefully my posting from now on will convince you otherwise.
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To be clear my defense against lurking is not "hey I did it on purpose", it's "hey I will not be lurking anymore now"
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Initially, i thought kushm4sta, stutter and thrawn were possible mafias as they were among the people who lynched drazak. But then it would be too obvious for mafia to just gang up on 1 person. My theory is that the mafia someone who doesn't post too much and is not one of the people who voted for drazak.
Killingtime comes off as abit scummy to me. He changed his mind so often about who to lynch. First it was debears, then cubu, then debears again. I don't think this was done unintentionally. Perhaps it was done to make confusion?
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Wow I actually spelt it right odd...
I am guilty of it as well but I was actually doing it on purpose.
To be clear my defense against lurking is not "hey I did it on purpose", it's "hey I will not be lurking anymore now"
k... oh I think I see what you mean now. You said you did it on purpose, but the actual defence is you won't anymore. Still saying you did it on purpose is a defence as well.
I mean I guess time will tell but this was really strange the way you went about it. Going into a game thinking "hey lets lurk to test how lenient people are" is really bad. Also funny you mention if AFTER we start discussing that going after active people might be a bad idea.
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I could not mention it BEFORE we started discussing now could I? ^^
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Hurm.... fair point. but still you are avoiding the main thing of why you would do it in the first place as town. (as scum there are heaps of reasons of course)
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Sorry if people think I am lurking - I am still checking the thread often, but haven't had that much time to think about motivations. Sharky - I switched my vote to Cubu for clear reasons (at the time it didn't seem like debears was getting lynched+ Cubu is a horrible player, which you should be able to appreciate) and the when the mason thing came to light I switched back to the player who was my best scum read at the time and some others had suspicions of.
It might annoy you more to say the one thing I have done more is look at debears posts from After the lynch more closley. I can't see much in them that looks that scummy so for now I kinda think he is a null read. I don't like his posts from d1 much - but that is D1, so it is the weakest day of play.
Also, setup speculation is pointless - I will post more later hopefully I will have some time after 4pm french time to look through other filters.
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On September 21 2012 17:24 rethos wrote:
Believe it or not I was actually making a test to see how much leniancy lurkers get in this game. It seems to me that it's a lot. I mean how much did people take to realize that I was not posting ANYTHING?
My opinions are as follows:
1) The hit on SDM is surprising. If I were mafia I would definetly try and get that confirmed townies out instead. That really irks me a lot. It means that SDM was more of a threat that having a confirmed town. I do not think that they actually got a read on him a blue. He was way to active and open, him flipping blue must have been a surprise for them as well as for us.
My opinion on talking about who mafia night killed and why: mafia players are more likely to do it than town players. First because they have perfect information as to exactly why the night kill happened wheras town has 0 information except for a wide range of unprovable theories, and second it can be a tool to mislead the town as to the true reasons for why the night kill happened. You say you don't think mafia got a read on sonic as a blue... why do you think this? You say it would have been a big surprise for mafia and town that he was blue... why the surprise? What made you previously think that he was most likely green instead of blue?
On September 21 2012 17:24 rethos wrote:
2) Lynching an active player seems bad if we don't have a good reason. Right now the feeling I get is that mafia is laughing from the sidelines as some townies fight each other. Again back to the lurker idea. That means putting pressure on people to post.
3) Obviously the mason claim seems very fool proof. It all fits back way to good. The only way it's not true is if Sharrant was planning it all along when there was no pressure and tricked us all into accusing him. (very unlikely - if so... well played sir well played). Obviously also it's a bad risk/reward thing since now if something happens, we have two confirmed mafia.
I'm not sure what read you're giving. "Fool proof" makes me think you arew suggesting maliciuos intent behind the mason claim but the rest of that makes me think you believe the claim to be true. So just for clarity you're saying you believe the claim right?
On September 21 2012 17:24 rethos wrote:
My biggest problem right now is number 2. I am guilty of it as well but I was actually doing it on purpose. What are the other guys's reasons? Everybody that is not posting, can you tell us why are you not? (I have given my reason, if you need me to go into more detail about it please ask).
Also this post looks pretty fluffy, you didn't commit to scumreads so what is your scumread? I refresh the page and see you say: "This is my actual read for now: there is a significant part of mafia hiding amongst lurkers." You're gonna have to put forth more than that. Your read is that there is a significant part of mafia among lurkers, who out of the lurkers do you most suspect? And do you have any thoughts and the reads people have been making during N1?
What seems strange about you saying that you intentionally lurked (which to me sounds like a really strange plan for a town player to both think of and carry on for so long) is that you say it right after debears, myself, and jacob talk about being frustrated with lurkers. So my gut instinct tells me your post is you making up that intentional lurking idea to try and excuse your lurking. So right after we start calling people out for lurking you make a big post saying why you've been lurking and you talk a bunch about night kill theories that can't really be proven and your read is that there is an unspecifed mafia amongst the lurkers. Looks defensive and scummy. Regardless of all that, thanks for posting and please follow through and don't lurk any more.
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Oh, I am not avoiding, I thought that was clear. So basically there is a problem with this game (all newbie games? I don't know) that is that people are not pressuring lurkers at all. Mainly they are giving them little slaps on the hand like (hey you have not posted in a while). I wanted to actually attract attention to that. And I think I actually succedded.
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I don't see how this:
On September 21 2012 17:45 rethos wrote:
To be clear my defense against lurking is not "hey I did it on purpose", it's "hey I will not be lurking anymore now"
makes sense after you saying this:
On September 21 2012 17:24 rethos wrote:
Believe it or not I was actually making a test to see how much leniancy lurkers get in this game. It seems to me that it's a lot. I mean how much did people take to realize that I was not posting ANYTHING?
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I am guilty of it as well but I was actually doing it on purpose.
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Actually no.. I am sorry to all of you. But it really seems that playing mafia is really not for me. I got bored and did not want to post any more. Now I am trying to catch up and can't get bring myself to it. Yes I lied about having this weird plan of lurking intentionally. I lurked because I did not have motivation to do anything.
Again I am really really sorry. I will ask for a replacement.
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On September 21 2012 18:11 rethos wrote:
Actually no.. I am sorry to all of you. But it really seems that playing mafia is really not for me. I got bored and did not want to post any more. Now I am trying to catch up and can't get bring myself to it. Yes I lied about having this weird plan of lurking intentionally. I lurked because I did not have motivation to do anything.
Again I am really really sorry. I will ask for a replacement.
Lol which one of your mason buddies in the qt told you to write this post?
My vote today was going to be remedy but this series of posts from rethos makes me consider lynching him regardless of him asking for a replacement.
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But it really seems that playing mafia is really not for me.
Did I miss sarcasm or is this a scum slip? Or does he mean playing mafia would not be me. Or is he... Thrawn you seem to know what does he mean? lol.
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OHHH I'm an idiot... playing mafia not playing as mafia *facepalm*
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I'm looking through your filter and I don't see boredom. You do stuff like ask mods to fix killings filter, you make a post saying "don't let conversation die down" and you do a manual vote count. Also before the game you were so interested in playing that you drew that badass picture of a cat. I don't see boredom showing through in any of your posts. Were you bored the whole game or did it happen after the lynch? Because IMO the first lynch is when the game really starts getting interesting.
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In your final post you say that you lied about having a lurking plan and that you quit because you were bored. I already made a post about your D1 posts and how I don't see boredom in those, so now here's what I think about this one. I'm going to bold all the things that look like you aren't bored and have an interest in continuing the game.
On September 21 2012 17:24 rethos wrote:
Believe it or not I was actually making a test to see how much leniancy lurkers get in this game. It seems to me that it's a lot. I mean how much did people take to realize that I was not posting ANYTHING?
My opinions are as follows:
1) The hit on SDM is surprising. If I were mafia I would definetly try and get that confirmed townies out instead. That really irks me a lot. It means that SDM was more of a threat that having a confirmed town. I do not think that they actually got a read on him a blue. He was way to active and open, him flipping blue must have been a surprise for them as well as for us.
2) Lynching an active player seems bad if we don't have a good reason. Right now the feeling I get is that mafia is laughing from the sidelines as some townies fight each other. Again back to the lurker idea. That means putting pressure on people to post.
3) Obviously the mason claim seems very fool proof. It all fits back way to good. The only way it's not true is if Sharrant was planning it all along when there was no pressure and tricked us all into accusing him. (very unlikely - if so... well played sir well played). Obviously also it's a bad risk/reward thing since now if something happens, we have two confirmed mafia.
My biggest problem right now is number 2. I am guilty of it as well but I was actually doing it on purpose. What are the other guys's reasons? Everybody that is not posting, can you tell us why are you not? (I have given my reason, if you need me to go into more detail about it please ask).
First why make such a long post if you were bored? The first 2 bolded statements show emotion which suggests interest in the game. The third one (as well as the whole post) shows that you have an interest in pressuring lurkers which suggests an interest in future game developments.
Am I reading too much into this? There might be some confirmation bias going on but after looking at his entire filter I do not get the impression that he was bored from any of his posts.
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