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On February 02 2012 18:26 Adam4167 wrote:
I am ok with the 24/h day cycle.
Chocolate, why are you trying to out our DT? Is it because you realize youre dead tomorrow and you want to give your last teammate a half a chance to win? If they are getting 'guilty' checks back and then building a case from that, it is in your best interest to NOT say anything so he can continue doing his work.
Now that your only mafia suspect has flipped town, where do you suggest we go next? My vote will be heading your way as soon as the sun comes up.
I am not trying to out the dt, I just thought there was a reasonable chance that a dt had checked simberto, which started the lynch. DT shouldnt say anything about his role, and I dont want him to yet. If I were mafia I wouldnt post in the thread to tell a teammate, I would just tell him.
I am ok with the 24h cycle since the weekend is coming up.
I am most suspicious of SS still because he is tunnel visioning zellblade pretty hard. Then I would go after you if he flips red or zellblade if he flipped green.
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Will be busy for the rest of the night and as such wont be able to post till day starts tomorrow.
Suspicious of both SS and chocolate at this point. Will elaborate on my suspisions tomorrow since I need to go off now, and will not be on a computer for a while.
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Im not kidding when i say this, zelblade is mafia
here is a summary of some of his post that i feel best prove that he is mafia
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+ Show Spoiler +moving on im highlighting another very suspicious post for zelblade On January 28 2012 15:40 zelblade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 10:58 zarepath wrote:
Also: feel free to investigate me at night, if there's a DT (which I highly suspect to be the case, considering the numbers). It will be a waste of an investigation, but with numerous lurkers not being pressured, multiple suspicious people not being followed up on, we're going to waste too much time and attention on me without a confirmation. you are bluffing how are we going to pressure lurkers if we arnt here? So stop trying to mislead the investigation, and throw us all on. wild goose chase imterogating players who arnt here He attacks zarepath for wanting to pressure the many lurkers at this point. I dont see how wanting to pressure lurkers is anti-town at all, yet SS simply jumps onto him, claiming that he is trying to mislead the investigation, being on a wild goose chase. Lurkers are bad for town, and they need to post. zarepath is trying to get them to post, yet SS seems to defend these lurkers by shooting down zarepath's post, allowing lurkers to lurk more, eventually adding more confusion for town.
hes clearly defending zarepath, he obviously doesnt want us to put our attention on him, and in order to do this he tries to convince us that we should go after the players who were posting like once a day, and not only that wouldnt even be around to resposnd to what we have to say about them.
Also i believe the general consensus of the town was that zarepath's willingness to be checked by the DT to confirm his innocence was clearly the behavior of a mafia. Yet zelblade doesnt seem to agree with that consensus.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 28 2012 17:33 zelblade wrote:On another note, looking through SS's filter this post of zarepath's which he quoted really jumps out to me. Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 10:58 zarepath wrote:
Also: feel free to investigate me at night, if there's a DT (which I highly suspect to be the case, considering the numbers). It will be a waste of an investigation, but with numerous lurkers not being pressured, multiple suspicious people not being followed up on, we're going to waste too much time and attention on me without a confirmation. What i think is wierd is the "feel free to investigate me at night part". Why would he want a DT to check him, when he himself even admits that "it will be a waste of an investigation"? I dont think that town would ever request a DT to check him unless there was a high chance that he was going to be lynched the next day, as doing so would use an action which could be better used on a scummy player to try and weed out scum. Finding scum is definately more important, IMO, than confirming 1 townie. As such, this causes me to agree with DoYouHas that perhaps zerpath is indeed the godfather fishing for DT checks, enabling himself to get the status of "confirmed town", whilst wasting a DT check at the same time. Also the way that SS attacks zarepath makes me feel that they probably arent on the same team. I mean, if they were both mafia, why attack each other that way at that time? I would still prefer lynching SS at this point in time, unless he starts stepping up or a better case on zarepath convinces me that he is indeed mafia.
again he defends zarepath in favor of labeling me mafia, even when it becomes beyond a reasonable doubt that zarepath is mafia.
Important
He only votes for zarepath when slo0sh asks him to do so, throughout his posting history he does not show any suspicion or analysis of zarepath.
However once the vote shows that zarepath was mafia, he states
+ Show Spoiler +On January 30 2012 13:12 zelblade wrote:
Nice lynch :D
Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence. Suggest we take a hard look at the lurkers for the next lynch.
As stated earlier I need to go now and will be away from the thread for quite a while.
he says that despite never being on to zarepath
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Ok I'm talking now and will drive discussion now because staying silent for night is stupid and doesn't help us flush out mafia. If you are waiting for night to almost end before posting so mafia don't shoot good targets, think again. Mafia gonna shoot people they can't lynch while keeping townies with wrong suspicions alive. Right now I think most townies have the wrong suspicions.
I am back on track to lynching Zelblade.
1) Parts of SacredSystem's analysis are actually quite valid if you read them without labeling him as scum in your mind.
On February 02 2012 22:28 SacredSystem wrote:Important He only votes for zarepath when slo0sh asks him to do so, throughout his posting history he does not show any suspicion or analysis of zarepath. However once the vote shows that zarepath was mafia, he states + Show Spoiler +On January 30 2012 13:12 zelblade wrote:
Nice lynch :D
Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence. Suggest we take a hard look at the lurkers for the next lynch.
As stated earlier I need to go now and will be away from the thread for quite a while. he says that despite never being on to zarepath
This is true. Only after the whole thing (Zarepath lynch and its certainty) fleshes out does Zelblade add this little post
On January 29 2012 12:47 zelblade wrote:
As for the lynch today, I have read through the cases on zarepath and i certainly see how he could be the mafia godfather, and DoYouHas makes some good points on how he jumps onto the SS bandwagon which I (whum he suspects to be mafia) am pushing. Honestly I will still prefer to lynch SacredSystem due to how much he is dodging questions. Either way, I wouldnt mind lynching either as I believe both could be mafia. On January 29 2012 17:28 zelblade wrote:
Since it seems like Sacred isnt going to get lynched today I will change my vote for now i guess.
##Unvote: SacredSystem
##Vote: Zarepath
Weak and non-commital.
2) Just because the Simberto mislynch is fresh on your minds, don't let it distract you from what was there before.
Remember the case against Zelblade
3) Read upon his day 3 posts in his filter.
Still no substance.
4)On February 02 2012 22:28 zelblade wrote:
Will be busy for the rest of the night and as such wont be able to post till day starts tomorrow.
Suspicious of both SS and chocolate at this point. Will elaborate on my suspisions tomorrow since I need to go off now, and will not be on a computer for a while.
Assumes he will live this night. This isn't as hard of a tell but definitely isn't null. Just points out his suspicions, and says he will go to sleep. Non-commital.
5) Remember Zelblade's apologetic mild mannered nature? How it's his "first game"?
+ Show Spoiler +On February 01 2012 16:31 zelblade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 06:17 SacredSystem wrote:Now i believe zelblade is mafia, in his attacks on me he is his very defensive and critical of my attacks on zarepath, his analysis felt far more emotional then logical, Capitalized bold letters, double question marks, the use of logic that isnt logical, and this omggg how could you think that defense My analysis wasnt "emotional". The only capitalized bold letters are a "you", I dont see any double question marks, I dont see you pointing out anything in my analysis that "isnt logical", the "omgggg how could you think that defense" is referring to your OMGUS (in which you attack him because he feels that you are suspisious and for no other reason whatsover) of chocolate. Stop fabricating bullshit that isnt true.Show nested quote +Also just the very notion that you furiously defended someone that fliped red insta makes you a prime suspect. Then on top of that after zarepath was proven mafia you acted like you were all on board with it When the hell have I "furiously defended" him? I had made it clear after the case DYH posted that he seemed scummy and that I was suspisious of him, but moreso on you. Please point out an instance in which I defend him. Cant understand "acted like you were all on board on it". Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +On January 28 2012 17:33 zelblade wrote:On another note, looking through SS's filter this post of zarepath's which he quoted really jumps out to me. Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 10:58 zarepath wrote:
Also: feel free to investigate me at night, if there's a DT (which I highly suspect to be the case, considering the numbers). It will be a waste of an investigation, but with numerous lurkers not being pressured, multiple suspicious people not being followed up on, we're going to waste too much time and attention on me without a confirmation. What i think is wierd is the "feel free to investigate me at night part". Why would he want a DT to check him, when he himself even admits that "it will be a waste of an investigation"? I dont think that town would ever request a DT to check him unless there was a high chance that he was going to be lynched the next day, as doing so would use an action which could be better used on a scummy player to try and weed out scum. Finding scum is definately more important, IMO, than confirming 1 townie. As such, this causes me to agree with DoYouHas that perhaps zerpath is indeed the godfather fishing for DT checks, enabling himself to get the status of "confirmed town", whilst wasting a DT check at the same time. Also the way that SS attacks zarepath makes me feel that they probably arent on the same team. I mean, if they were both mafia, why attack each other that way at that time? I would still prefer lynching SS at this point in time, unless he starts stepping up or a better case on zarepath convinces me that he is indeed mafia. notice how he says
I would still prefer lynching SS at this point in time, unless he starts stepping up or a better case on zarepath convinces me that he is indeed mafia he was mafia but that didnt seem to change your mind I did say that I prefer lynching you over zarepath because I had a stronger scum read on you, and this was before the DYH case. I am not really sure about that last sentence of yours, but i shall assume (correct me if I am wrong), that you are talking about my "if zarepath = red SS prolly = green" part, I did think so at that point in time but I still am getting a scum feel off you, and as DYH has said; Show nested quote +DoYouHas
I feel the need to walk back my defense of SacredSystem a bit. In day2 I was very quick to defend him as he was an early supporter of my analysis. I was looking for things that would let me channel voting towards zarepath. I think that is very clear to everyone. However, after getting zarepath lynched I have looked more closely at the case Adam presented and now Bromancipate. This, on top of the fact that a unanimous vote means support of my analysis and the zarepath lynch are no longer good standards for innocence, makes me retract my earlier defense of SacredSystem. I am going to take advantage of night2 to really look into SacredSystem for myself. Also, I'm going to try and analyze zelblade's day2 posts since we seem to be focusing on his day1 issues a little too much. I now dont believe that the zarepath flip clears you at all. Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +On January 30 2012 13:12 zelblade wrote:
Nice lynch :D
Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence. Suggest we take a hard look at the lurkers for the next lynch.
As stated earlier I need to go now and will be away from the thread for quite a while. ja hahah, except you! You were the one defending him As stated, I wasnt defending him. Show nested quote +tldr
adam
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zelblade seems scared, look how he gave himself away with his aggression on me and his defense of his buddy zarepath
also be careful zelblade, you kill me and i flip green, which i will, you are dead the very next day
vote: zelbalde I am not scared, and I didnt "give myself away" with my attacks on you and non-exsistent defense of my so-called buddy. Dont worry, you will be lynched next after simberto flips red. And even if you are somehow town (highly highly doubt so), no scum in their right mind would shoot you, since you are doing an excellent job pushing their agenda for them.
Total attitude change. You might say that it is due to constant pressure by SacredSystem.
However, consider this: if you were being pressured (as town by someone you think is mafia), why would you lash out like so? Why would you mock someone's arguments as he does in the last line?
If you know they got nothing on you and they are making stuff up, it won't faze you. It fazed him.
This is my stance, I make it clear.
I'ma get you: Zelblade
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On February 02 2012 21:39 Chocolate wrote:
If I were mafia I wouldnt post in the thread to tell a teammate, I would just tell him.
A typical response and WIFOM. I say you were looking to rattle the DT into making himself more obvious, so you had confirmation of your shot.
I ask you again, what possible motive could a townie have for even bringing it up?
How does SS flipping red implicate me as mafia?
Sloosh, what has changed your mind about chocolate between this post and this post?
The analysis on Chocolate shows exactly why he is mafia. He has not been doing any work to further this town and he gives one line explanations as to why people are mafia and this is only after he is prodded.
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On February 03 2012 07:04 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 21:39 Chocolate wrote:
If I were mafia I wouldnt post in the thread to tell a teammate, I would just tell him.
A typical response and WIFOM. I say you were looking to rattle the DT into making himself more obvious, so you had confirmation of your shot. I ask you again, what possible motive could a townie have for even bringing it up? How does SS flipping red implicate me as mafia? Sloosh, what has changed your mind about chocolate between this post and this post? The analysis on Chocolate shows exactly why he is mafia. He has not been doing any work to further this town and he gives one line explanations as to why people are mafia and this is only after he is prodded.
About the dt, I wasn't trying to make him expose himself but was trying to further simberto's case, because it did seem like he was being attacked by a dt due to the quick pressure after night.
SS flipping red doesn't implicate you as mafia because of your reactions but because you are my next in line after him in my mafia list, and I can't see him continually trying to bus his teammate. if he flipped green or blue, especially dt, I would be after zellblade in a heartbeat.
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On February 03 2012 07:04 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 21:39 Chocolate wrote:
If I were mafia I wouldnt post in the thread to tell a teammate, I would just tell him.
A typical response and WIFOM. I say you were looking to rattle the DT into making himself more obvious, so you had confirmation of your shot. I ask you again, what possible motive could a townie have for even bringing it up? How does SS flipping red implicate me as mafia? Sloosh, what has changed your mind about chocolate between this post and this post? The analysis on Chocolate shows exactly why he is mafia. He has not been doing any work to further this town and he gives one line explanations as to why people are mafia and this is only after he is prodded.
Consider the pool of SacredSystem, Zelblade, CosmosXAM and Chocolate.
As individuals I would be ok with lynching them all, as I don't think any one of them have done anything particularly pro-town / contributed anything substantial. (sure their interactions with those now dead may indicate certain alignments, but they themselves haven't done anything pro-town)
There are two mafia left, which is to say that out of these four at least 2 MUST be Town.
MUST be. So you need to be a lookout for 2 mafia and see their interactions with each other and the town, as looking at individuals does not work in this situation.
I did not like Chocolate (moreso than the others) on the basis of a possible Chocolate Simberto pair. Simberto has flipped town, and thus the pair cannot exist. I suspect a different pair, one that includes Zelblade.
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Simberto coming up town has put me in a weird place. I have been using this time tonight to reevaluate and broaden my view of who could be in the mafia. I am taking a very thorough look at the cases that have been made against zelblade and chocolate. I have yet to decide between the two. But I still want to avoid focusing too hard on them and excluding possibilities. I agree about getting our ideas out now instead of waiting at the last moment. So here is where I am at now. I no longer know what to think about SacredSystem or CosmosXAM. Both the zelblade case and the Chocolate case have valid points and right now I'm ok with focusing them day4 (the cases against them, not the cases they present). I also want to go through Simberto's day3 posts again and see what his suspicions were.
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I really don't want to post more and give the mafia a chance to misdirect.
So I just want to point to things I've looked at, and maybe you'll come to same conclusions.
- First, Simberto is town. I think it was a genuine mislynch. So what do mafia with a mislynch led by townies? They stay back, they don't want their hands dirty. Read day 3 again and see who is not really committed in finding out Simberto's alignment.
- Second, read Simberto's posts. He is town, reading them now helps you get a clearer view on things, rather than before when you may have suspected him mafia.
- Third, consider the possible mafia pairs. Who is helping who and for what reasons? Forget bussing. I repeat, forget bussing. We can worry about it if we lynch a mafia. Right now worrying about bussing is detrimental to objective town thinking. The pair I'm thinking are not bussing at all.
Hopefully you get to see what I see. In any case I'll post closer to deadline my full thoughts.
In the meantime I'm gonna vote for Zelblade.
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Bad luck Sim but you should have done more. Chat to you after the game 
We are close to end game guys and we need to pick up our game. We are nearing LYLO and it is possible that one more mis-lynch loses us the game, so think long and hard about who should die tomorrow.
Jitsu and I are still convinced that SacredSystem is the mafia hiding in plain sight. Given both Adam and sl0osh are town in our minds that leaves one in Zelblade, Cosmos and Chocolate. All three are scummy as hell but zelblade looks the most "towny" to me. That leaves a choice between Cosmos and Chocolate. Chocolate is getting the heat at the moment which I expect to continue. I don't want us tunneling another townie letting scum hide. So Cosmos will be my target analysis. We can then compare cases.
Right now it seems to me if we lynch either zelblade, cosmos or chocolate tomorrow we are taking a risk that does not need to be taken. SacredSystem is the most obvious mafia to me and has been all game.
If you don't agree, convince me otherwise.
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EBWOP:
post more of what I suspect is the mafia pair, not post more thoughts and discussion.
Want to re - emphasize: (four refers to SacredSystem, Zelblade, CosmosXAM and Chocolate)
On February 03 2012 07:47 slOosh wrote:
There are two mafia left, which is to say that out of these four at least 2 MUST be Town.
MUST be. So you need to be a lookout for 2 mafia and see their interactions with each other and the town, as looking at individuals does not work in this situation.
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On February 03 2012 08:08 Bromancipate wrote:Bad luck Sim but you should have done more. Chat to you after the game We are close to end game guys and we need to pick up our game. We are nearing LYLO and it is possible that one more mis-lynch loses us the game, so think long and hard about who should die tomorrow. Jitsu and I are still convinced that SacredSystem is the mafia hiding in plain sight. Given both Adam and sl0osh are town in our minds that leaves one in Zelblade, Cosmos and Chocolate. All three are scummy as hell but zelblade looks the most "towny" to me. That leaves a choice between Cosmos and Chocolate. Chocolate is getting the heat at the moment which I expect to continue. I don't want us tunneling another townie letting scum hide. So Cosmos will be my target analysis. We can then compare cases. Right now it seems to me if we lynch either zelblade, cosmos or chocolate tomorrow we are taking a risk that does not need to be taken. SacredSystem is the most obvious mafia to me and has been all game. If you don't agree, convince me otherwise.
Could you tell us how you two resolved the issue of Zelblade? I know that for Jitsu, Zelblade was his most prominent suspect. I would like to what happened.
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On February 03 2012 08:07 slOosh wrote:
I really don't want to post more and give the mafia a chance to misdirect.
So I just want to point to things I've looked at, and maybe you'll come to same conclusions.
- First, Simberto is town. I think it was a genuine mislynch. So what do mafia with a mislynch led by townies? They stay back, they don't want their hands dirty. Read day 3 again and see who is not really committed in finding out Simberto's alignment.
- Second, read Simberto's posts. He is town, reading them now helps you get a clearer view on things, rather than before when you may have suspected him mafia.
- Third, consider the possible mafia pairs. Who is helping who and for what reasons? Forget bussing. I repeat, forget bussing. We can worry about it if we lynch a mafia. Right now worrying about bussing is detrimental to objective town thinking. The pair I'm thinking are not bussing at all.
Hopefully you get to see what I see. In any case I'll post closer to deadline my full thoughts.
In the meantime I'm gonna vote for Zelblade.
Alright I think I know where you are going with this and felt I should respond. Simberto's scum reads were Chocolate and myself. Like I said above, Chocolate looks bad but we have most of town analysing his play hence I will look into others players in the off chance Chocolate is town. We can't afford to lynch Chocolate and then find out he is just a really scummy townie whilst when you look at Cosmos he looks just as bad. So for now I will leave Chocolate to you guys whilst I look elsewere.
As for his case on me, would you like me to respond to it? I am town so I don't need to convince myself otherwise. No-one has brought it up so I assume that others realise I have been pushing a town agenda. I have been and am always looking for scum, there is no point me defending myself against accusations that no-one believes. So again, would you like me to defend myself against his case?
Thirdly, what is with the change of heart? You stated earlier that "Ok I'm talking now and will drive discussion now because staying silent for night is stupid and doesn't help us flush out mafia. " but now you won't tell us what you are thinking but instead insinuate that you think that Simberto was onto something which could only mean that you think I am scum. So if that is the case, come out and say it.
Like I said earlier, I won't defend myself against cases that look flimsy to me and are just a distraction for town. But if you geniunely feel that I am scum then I will explain my actions.
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On February 03 2012 08:12 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 08:08 Bromancipate wrote:Bad luck Sim but you should have done more. Chat to you after the game We are close to end game guys and we need to pick up our game. We are nearing LYLO and it is possible that one more mis-lynch loses us the game, so think long and hard about who should die tomorrow. Jitsu and I are still convinced that SacredSystem is the mafia hiding in plain sight. Given both Adam and sl0osh are town in our minds that leaves one in Zelblade, Cosmos and Chocolate. All three are scummy as hell but zelblade looks the most "towny" to me. That leaves a choice between Cosmos and Chocolate. Chocolate is getting the heat at the moment which I expect to continue. I don't want us tunneling another townie letting scum hide. So Cosmos will be my target analysis. We can then compare cases. Right now it seems to me if we lynch either zelblade, cosmos or chocolate tomorrow we are taking a risk that does not need to be taken. SacredSystem is the most obvious mafia to me and has been all game. If you don't agree, convince me otherwise. Could you tell us how you two resolved the issue of Zelblade? I know that for Jitsu, Zelblade was his most prominent suspect. I would like to what happened.
Simple really, a matter of my defense of zelblade and a process of elimination. Jitsu has come round to my view that whilst his play is really newb, it looks like town newb. We have to make a decision and that is the one we are making. Its not easy with us living on other sides of the globe so we don't really get to have long discussions on our reads. We just have to trust each other's judgement. Besides, when placed against Cosmos and Chocolate he looks the most town of them all.
Does that answer your question?
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Ok I'll come out and just say it. All the cards on the table.
I think Bromanicpate is mafia along with Zelblade.
I didn't want to straight up do this since I wanted others to think about this before I posted anything, as I do not have too much confidence in my ability to articulate and did not want to give you the chance to rip apart my analysis based on my poor articulation rather than reasoning. Townspeople, please focus on my reasoning.
Again I want to re-emphasize, mafia pairs.
Bromancipate has been playing a game of subtle persuasion, misdirecting the town as he has become more active.
The reason why this is so strong is that it seems pro-town lynching suspicious people, but as I have said three times now, we cannot lynch one by one.On February 03 2012 07:47 slOosh wrote:
There are two mafia left, which is to say that out of these four at least 2 MUST be Town.
MUST be. So you need to be a lookout for 2 mafia and see their interactions with each other and the town, as looking at individuals does not work in this situation.
First is his redirection off Zelblade. We as a town were set against Zelblade. He slowly comes in, saying that in posts earlier that he does not think zelblade is mafia. Then he takes attention off zelblade and puts it onto SacredSystem.
This is effective since SacredSystem seems so mafia. However, notice SacredSystem's continous push to lynch Zelblade. I think this is not work of mafia, nor ingnorant townie. I think it is work of Detective, trying desperately hard to convince the town without straight up roleclaiming as that would not work. Why would he keep persisting, trying to bring up the same points over and over? This is beyond tunneling or bussing.
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On February 03 2012 08:08 Bromancipate wrote:
Jitsu and I are still convinced that SacredSystem is the mafia hiding in plain sight. Given both Adam and sl0osh are town in our minds that leaves one in Zelblade, Cosmos and Chocolate. All three are scummy as hell but zelblade looks the most "towny" to me. That leaves a choice between Cosmos and Chocolate. Chocolate is getting the heat at the moment which I expect to continue. I don't want us tunneling another townie letting scum hide. So Cosmos will be my target analysis. We can then compare cases.
Right now it seems to me if we lynch either zelblade, cosmos or chocolate tomorrow we are taking a risk that does not need to be taken. SacredSystem is the most obvious mafia to me and has been all game.
- Notice that DoYouHas is missing. Again.
- Zelblade the one he says again and again is townie newb is labeled "scummy as hell".
- More importantly, I posted three times that we need to consider pairs.
Yet he is still going after one at a time, and tries to get town to do it as well.
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I want us to take a step back and think big picture.
Bromancipate lurks (or is genuinly busy) day 1. He jumps on Zarepath lynch (7th vote when he realizes he going to get lynched). He defends Zelblade (guy we all thought was mafia and were going to lynch) whilst attacking SacredSystem, which works well since SacredSystem is so suspicious. Out of nowhere has this guy come and implanted into our thinking that he is townie without any actual contribution (just an increase in activity). He tries to keep our attention on the pool of suspicious players when I clearly state multiple times that that kind of method won't work.
What is most frustrating is is how he is a hydra, with two heads that can think opposing thoughts, capable of acting on either head's thoughts without being held accountable to the other. Notice how many times they conflict and conveniently resolve, aligning with the most "pro-town" option possible.
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I don't see why I am suddenly a target again, but I feel a zelblade lynch would be best at this point simply based on the options left. Bromancipate bugs me but being a hydra is a pain to try and read and study, so I am not sure who is talking when or what their specific opinions are at that time. A team between the two is plausible but we can only really wait until one of them dies to make an astute conclusion about that.
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Interesting theory sl0osh, I can definitely see what you mean. Bromancipate/zelblade would fit into a similar framework as Simberto/SacredSystem did for me day3. I still think it is very likely mafia have a godfather because of us having at least 2 blue roles (which by extension would mean we have a detective making it 3) and from a day1 mafia perspective it would make sense to make the godfather the only person who had played before. And if Bromancipate is mafia, it makes sense that zelblade would be the other one due to Bromancipate being the person initially pulling suspicion off zelblade. Yet another thing for me to look at going into day4.
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Well thanks for coming out saying it. I am writing up my defense now but just quickly why does a supposed SS DT finding zelblade as scum make me scum just because I defended him. My initial response to this was conformation bias all the way. You are convinced that zelblade is scum and so my defense of him must be a scum protecting his buddy. Well it is not. I don't want us to lynch a townie, so if I believe someone is town I will defend them. Just because you come to a different conclusion does not mean that I am scum.
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was the day/night time frame changed?
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i have a longer post coming i just dont want to have to type it all out on my phone
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