• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 11:22
CET 17:22
KST 01:22
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT13Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0224LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker15
StarCraft 2
General
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Team League Season 10 $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ TvZ is the most complete match up Gypsy to Korea Ladder maps - how we can make blizz update them? Brood War inspired Terran vs Zerg cinematic – feed
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Diablo 2 thread ZeroSpace Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Search For Meaning in Vi…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1996 users

Newbie Mini Mafia III - Page 37

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 35 36 37 All
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
February 17 2012 03:43 GMT
#721
On February 10 2012 11:22 slOosh wrote:
It seems that the game was won mostly through help of blue roles in confirming ppl for late game rather than strong analysis.

People in Obs QT said my case against Zarepath was weak / confirmation bias, and I think besides MidnightGladius' vig shot and Adams hunches on Chocolate, as a town we didn't ever rally around a good analysis case.

Could you help point out posts which tipped off people as mafia? Or is this more an overall feel in which each post adds to the case rather than one solid post upon which you can lynch mafia?

Also, how can you differentiate between timidity due to being new to the game and timidity due to being mafia?

I agree that you didn't really rally around a good analysis case all game. I felt the zarepath lynch was lucky, and the rest came down to good blue play. MidnightGladius caught balt11t not contributing (which was a solid read), and chocolate and bromancipate were found mathematically.

I don't know if it's easy to point out which posts tipped off the people in the observer QT. Besides, most of the people in the observer QT were pretty far off base most of the game. In this game, I think the easiest way to figure out who was mafia was to look at the people who weren't really contributing very much. It was pretty obvious that the mafia didn't have much thread presence when zarepath got himself lynched. At that point, you should be looking to the players who don't have much of an ability to push an agenda in the thread. You can do really solid analysis by thinking about the position the mafia must be in based on how the game is going and then looking for players who fit the profile.

Generally, I don't think that you will find a tip off in every post by a player. I personally think post by post analysis is very silly. It usually comes down to a few posts where you realize that the player is not pushing the right kind of agenda. I'm reluctant to point out a specific post in this thread because of confirmation bias however. If you're okay with a little of that possibly leaking in, I'll go find something.
Uff Da
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 17 2012 21:01 GMT
#722
What does pushing a wrong agenda look like?
What differentiates it from a normal agenda (or a newbie town agenda)?
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 05:34:27
February 18 2012 05:33 GMT
#723
On February 18 2012 06:01 slOosh wrote:
What does pushing a wrong agenda look like?
What differentiates it from a normal agenda (or a newbie town agenda)?

Generally town players will try to contribute. Meanwhile, mafia will try to act like they are contributing without actually doing anything themselves. Look for things like:
Poking holes in the accusations of others while not putting forward any of your own
Pushing someone they know has no chance of getting lynched (usually so they can justify staying off bandwagons and not voting with the town)
Pushing a few candidates someone weakly in the hopes of the town picking up on one of them and running with it (that way they "contributed" to the lynch). You will notice that they drop a lot of their weak accusations relatively quickly and quietly.

Meanwhile newbie townies fall into 2 categories:
They try hard to contribute (at least once or twice - they may get discouraged after failure), but their logic is generally pretty bad.
They follow around players they think are better/more experienced, agreeing with most of the things that player says

Newbie mafia tend to get talked out of doing the latter one for too long by their teammates and you can usually differentiate with the former based on whether they actually tried to do a good analysis or not. It should be decently obvious to see which analyses took actual effort to put together, even if the logic isn't very good.
Uff Da
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11749 Posts
February 18 2012 18:55 GMT
#724
Hm, i did basically all on your mafia list while still being town, probably because i am just too careful and not really sure of what i think is really true. Probably what got me lynched in the end.
Prev 1 35 36 37 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Winter Champion…
12:00
Group A
WardiTV1210
3DClanTV 53
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Hui .355
Harstem 94
ProTech92
goblin 23
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 3261
Calm 2539
Horang2 2161
Bisu 1857
Larva 1169
EffOrt 733
firebathero 557
Soma 535
BeSt 516
Stork 397
[ Show more ]
Mini 376
Light 316
Snow 232
ggaemo 226
Mong 208
hero 206
Rush 153
Shuttle 134
Barracks 96
PianO 54
JulyZerg 51
[sc1f]eonzerg 50
Aegong 41
JYJ 40
ZergMaN 39
Movie 38
zelot 25
sorry 22
Shinee 21
910 18
NaDa 16
Terrorterran 14
SilentControl 8
Dota 2
Gorgc5782
Dendi755
Counter-Strike
fl0m2397
Foxcn507
adren_tv33
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor94
Other Games
singsing2428
hiko837
KnowMe399
Lowko295
DeMusliM286
Sick256
crisheroes143
RotterdaM139
Beastyqt139
Liquid`VortiX124
FrodaN69
QueenE57
Trikslyr37
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL40176
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 25
• HeavenSC 8
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis7556
• TFBlade888
Other Games
• Shiphtur213
• WagamamaTV93
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
7h 38m
PiG Sty Festival
16h 38m
Maru vs Bunny
Classic vs SHIN
The PondCast
17h 38m
KCM Race Survival
17h 38m
WardiTV Winter Champion…
19h 38m
OSC
19h 38m
Replay Cast
1d 7h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 16h
Clem vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
Escore
1d 17h
Epic.LAN
1d 19h
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
herO vs NightMare
Reynor vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
Epic.LAN
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
PiG Sty Festival
3 days
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
5 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

C-League Week 31
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026: China & Korea Invitational
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.