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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
February 10 2012 06:10 GMT
#681
For example, if you had stepped up to bat for Simberto, and others had rallied, there was a very good chance I would have backed off. I was already worried when I couldn't pick apart his defense as readily as I wanted. At that point I was too far in to pull myself out, but I could have been convinced.
Guts? Determination? $5?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 10 2012 06:24 GMT
#682
On February 10 2012 15:10 DoYouHas wrote:
For example, if you had stepped up to bat for Simberto, and others had rallied, there was a very good chance I would have backed off. I was already worried when I couldn't pick apart his defense as readily as I wanted. At that point I was too far in to pull myself out, but I could have been convinced.


I think that there is why he didn't do it. I was confirmation biased in following you since I knew you were town, SS and zelblade were tunneling each other which only leaves Cosmos who didn't have much presence. The best way to quell the suspicion was to let him flip town, allowing us to look at other suspects instead of being distracted and distrustful.

I know approaching the night I just wanted him to get lynched as I was so curious to know, regardless of if he was town or not because by then the thread was a huge convoluted mess and I wanted the easy way out (kill the source).

Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
February 10 2012 06:25 GMT
#683
Lots of people focus on the position someone joined a vote wagon. Personally I think that's a waste of time, since as scum I'm just as likely to be #1 on the vote as i am to be #8.

I like to group people. I think I made that obvious with my paint skills. Ill see 8 people on a lynch. Generally I can instantly knock out 2 or 3 because one of them is me, 2 of them are posting so pro-town that they just wouldn't be mafia. From there I have 5 names, with the assumption that either 2-3 of them are scum. Then I look at how those 5 interact with each other. Who's ignoring each other too much? new mafia especially are very hesitant to even quote one of their partners writing, even if there's nothing scummy about it.

Take Zarepath for example. Hes quoted every single person in the entire game... except 4 people. One of them is me, since I joined late, and the other 3? yep... red. This really should have tipped me off earlier, but I was so focused on sacred.

Balt really doesn't have much of a filter to go through at all.

Chocolate - again same as zarepath. Not a single quote of the other scum, just everyone else.

Finally Bromancipate - quotes everyone in the entire game multiple times... except 3 people.


Do a quick scroll-through of their filters yourself. Its disgustingly accurate. We could have nailed the entire scum team on D2.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
February 10 2012 06:27 GMT
#684
On February 10 2012 15:24 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 15:10 DoYouHas wrote:
For example, if you had stepped up to bat for Simberto, and others had rallied, there was a very good chance I would have backed off. I was already worried when I couldn't pick apart his defense as readily as I wanted. At that point I was too far in to pull myself out, but I could have been convinced.


I think that there is why he didn't do it. I was confirmation biased in following you since I knew you were town, SS and zelblade were tunneling each other which only leaves Cosmos who didn't have much presence. The best way to quell the suspicion was to let him flip town, allowing us to look at other suspects instead of being distracted and distrustful.

I know approaching the night I just wanted him to get lynched as I was so curious to know, regardless of if he was town or not because by then the thread was a huge convoluted mess and I wanted the easy way out (kill the source).



Bingo. You got it. There was no cavalry coming to stop that mess. It would have been D2 all over again. The entire town wants someone dead, me standing there saying "Really?" and getting ignored haha

The fastest option was to let him die (sorry!), and get everyone refocused.
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
February 10 2012 06:32 GMT
#685
That is interesting, I was focusing on mentions, but paying attention to quotes is something I didn't consider.
Guts? Determination? $5?
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
February 10 2012 06:37 GMT
#686
Its entirely subconscious. They don't want their scummy partners work read any more then it has to be, so quoting it would submit it to re-evaluation.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 10 2012 06:40 GMT
#687
On February 10 2012 15:25 Adam4167 wrote:
Lots of people focus on the position someone joined a vote wagon. Personally I think that's a waste of time, since as scum I'm just as likely to be #1 on the vote as i am to be #8.

I like to group people. I think I made that obvious with my paint skills. Ill see 8 people on a lynch. Generally I can instantly knock out 2 or 3 because one of them is me, 2 of them are posting so pro-town that they just wouldn't be mafia. From there I have 5 names, with the assumption that either 2-3 of them are scum. Then I look at how those 5 interact with each other. Who's ignoring each other too much? new mafia especially are very hesitant to even quote one of their partners writing, even if there's nothing scummy about it.

Take Zarepath for example. Hes quoted every single person in the entire game... except 4 people. One of them is me, since I joined late, and the other 3? yep... red. This really should have tipped me off earlier, but I was so focused on sacred.

Balt really doesn't have much of a filter to go through at all.

Chocolate - again same as zarepath. Not a single quote of the other scum, just everyone else.

Finally Bromancipate - quotes everyone in the entire game multiple times... except 3 people.


Do a quick scroll-through of their filters yourself. Its disgustingly accurate. We could have nailed the entire scum team on D2.


That's hilarious! Mmm something else to remember. You're a genuine font of information Adam

I wonder how much lurking affects this though. I mean day 1 balt and chocolate said bugger all so what is there to quote? Then zarepath dies and balt gets shot. I mean that could easily be lurker townie. Plus I tend to tunnel those I think are scum so it is unlikely that I will quote everybody. Will keep it in mind though, could be a useful tool
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 10 2012 06:44 GMT
#688
On February 10 2012 15:27 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 15:24 slOosh wrote:
On February 10 2012 15:10 DoYouHas wrote:
For example, if you had stepped up to bat for Simberto, and others had rallied, there was a very good chance I would have backed off. I was already worried when I couldn't pick apart his defense as readily as I wanted. At that point I was too far in to pull myself out, but I could have been convinced.


I think that there is why he didn't do it. I was confirmation biased in following you since I knew you were town, SS and zelblade were tunneling each other which only leaves Cosmos who didn't have much presence. The best way to quell the suspicion was to let him flip town, allowing us to look at other suspects instead of being distracted and distrustful.

I know approaching the night I just wanted him to get lynched as I was so curious to know, regardless of if he was town or not because by then the thread was a huge convoluted mess and I wanted the easy way out (kill the source).



Bingo. You got it. There was no cavalry coming to stop that mess. It would have been D2 all over again. The entire town wants someone dead, me standing there saying "Really?" and getting ignored haha

The fastest option was to let him die (sorry!), and get everyone refocused.


The problem with this is when Day 3 becomes a clusterfuck and you have the same problem but with one less town. I mean you guys were intent on killing zelblade and if I hadn't said anything he could have been lynched too. I understand the advantage of getting rid if the confusion but if you think it through, you are confused for a reason. If you genuinely thought he was scum you wouldn't be confused. Better to have a no-lynch and use the extra time to work that out. More time means more posting and hence more information. Especially when you look at who was pushing for a no-lynch/miss-lynch etc.

For me any townie dead is a step towards a loss. If you feel there is a better target for the lynch you push that target.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
February 10 2012 06:49 GMT
#689
You really only need to do it to one scum whos not lurking. A quick examination of zarepaths filter after he flipped would have given you 4 names:
Adam
Balt11t
Chocolate
Bromancipate

Then you overlay that on say my filter, and it doesn't work.

So you do it to the next loudest person - Bromancipate:
Balt11t
Chocolate
Zarepath

You'll narrow it down pretty quickly to 4-5 names and 4 scum in there. Game is solved, maybe one townie has to die for the cause.


Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
February 10 2012 06:53 GMT
#690
Yeah, I was trying to push chocolate, but everyone seemed pretty dead-set on simberto.

I thought for sure chocolate was a deadman after sloosh posted that great analysis and then BAM, his vote goes on simberto.

O_o doesn't do justice to the look I had on my face at that point.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 10 2012 06:54 GMT
#691
Mmm could be useful for general narrowing. Will give it a try. Thanks!
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 10 2012 06:57 GMT
#692
On February 10 2012 15:53 Adam4167 wrote:
Yeah, I was trying to push chocolate, but everyone seemed pretty dead-set on simberto.

I thought for sure chocolate was a deadman after sloosh posted that great analysis and then BAM, his vote goes on simberto.

O_o doesn't do justice to the look I had on my face at that point.


I purposely avoided getting involved in that. I was trying my best to keep chocolate alive just a little longer. I also knew if I said anything about Simberto the comparison would be way too obvious. It is really hard playing as mafia, I don't know how you did it so well in your last game. Maybe I need a coach next time I role scum.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
February 10 2012 06:58 GMT
#693
I doubt it'd work with more seasoned scum, but a handy tool if you happen to lynch a new scum with a big post history.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
February 10 2012 07:07 GMT
#694
On February 10 2012 15:57 Probulous wrote:

I purposely avoided getting involved in that. I was trying my best to keep chocolate alive just a little longer. I also knew if I said anything about Simberto the comparison would be way too obvious. It is really hard playing as mafia, I don't know how you did it so well in your last game. Maybe I need a coach next time I role scum.


Scum is fun for me, I'd say mafia goon would be my favorite role.

I had an amazing team in that game, we were on IRC 12 hours a day, plotting, planning, checking posts.

Plus the town never drew me into the conversation and forced me to take a stance on anything. By the end of day 3, no one had a clue what my reads were, except that id written analysis on 3 dead townies.

That's why I kept dragging you back in where I could.
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
February 10 2012 07:21 GMT
#695
Adam4167, that is quite the useful heuristic . I will definitely keep it in mind, especially because the only way to disrupt it is to play to the town's favor and forcing more mafia mistakes.

I wish that some of the other players would come back and comment. It would be unfortunate if their first game were also their last
Trust in Bayes.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 10 2012 16:25 GMT
#696
On February 10 2012 15:53 Adam4167 wrote:
Yeah, I was trying to push chocolate, but everyone seemed pretty dead-set on simberto.

I thought for sure chocolate was a deadman after sloosh posted that great analysis and then BAM, his vote goes on simberto.

O_o doesn't do justice to the look I had on my face at that point.

So is it always better to lynch the strongest read regardless of the suspect's position / influence on town?

I was set on a Simberto/Chocolate team read, and wanted to lynch Simberto first to clear the giant mess, and that he is the more influential suspect, then move on to lynch Chocolate next day (until I got sidetracked onto Zelblade again ).

Is it better to lynch sure mafia first always?


(P.s. I am learning a lot through this discussion thank you guys for insights / inputs )
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
February 10 2012 18:04 GMT
#697
I would say lynching your surest read for mafia is almost always the best course. A suspect's position and influence and the amount of information you get from the lynch come second to reducing mafia numbers. In the example of zelblade, if we had lynched him because he 'gave us more information' then Simberto might have ended up looking more red and Prob/Jitsu more green. With your Simberto vs Chocolate debate pushing Chocolate was the better option (I know it is hypocritical for me to say). Looking at their posts, Chocolate flipping red would all but clear Simberto, the reverse could also be true but it would be less definite. In a situation where 1 flipping red clears the other, and that 1 happens to be your strongest scum read, you have to push it.
Guts? Determination? $5?
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
February 10 2012 18:08 GMT
#698
jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
February 10 2012 21:15 GMT
#699
I quoted a scumbuddy in my first proper mafia post, so it's rather amusing that people dodge it so much. My principle as scum was to think as a townie first and scum second. Probably easier when you don't have any scumbuddies in the same timezone distracting you with that agenda stuff.

On February 10 2012 11:22 slOosh wrote:
Also, how can you differentiate between timidity due to being new to the game and timidity due to being mafia?

In-game coaching. Encourage timid players to post, draw reads out of them, tell them how they should be playing as town if you don't like their posts. Scum are much more likely to screw up if they post more and with higher quality, so it's all good.

I don't recommend calling them out too aggressively, as defending yourself is one thing that's just as easy to do as scum. Just gives them something to talk about that's unlikely to incriminate them.

On February 10 2012 14:21 slOosh wrote:
Would it be good for me to apply Occam's razor more often?

It's generally highly effective in Mafia, but I wouldn't personally have applied it to the Zarepath/Zelblade thing as Zarepath's attacks on Zelblade were suspiciously weak compared to his attack on Cosmos. Also Zarepath's play was nuts. He could have been doing anything.

gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 10 2012 23:09 GMT
#700
On February 10 2012 15:25 Adam4167 wrote:
Lots of people focus on the position someone joined a vote wagon. Personally I think that's a waste of time, since as scum I'm just as likely to be #1 on the vote as i am to be #8.

I like to group people. I think I made that obvious with my paint skills. Ill see 8 people on a lynch. Generally I can instantly knock out 2 or 3 because one of them is me, 2 of them are posting so pro-town that they just wouldn't be mafia. From there I have 5 names, with the assumption that either 2-3 of them are scum. Then I look at how those 5 interact with each other. Who's ignoring each other too much? new mafia especially are very hesitant to even quote one of their partners writing, even if there's nothing scummy about it.

Take Zarepath for example. Hes quoted every single person in the entire game... except 4 people. One of them is me, since I joined late, and the other 3? yep... red. This really should have tipped me off earlier, but I was so focused on sacred.

Balt really doesn't have much of a filter to go through at all.

Chocolate - again same as zarepath. Not a single quote of the other scum, just everyone else.

Finally Bromancipate - quotes everyone in the entire game multiple times... except 3 people.


Do a quick scroll-through of their filters yourself. Its disgustingly accurate. We could have nailed the entire scum team on D2.



That's what convinced me Choco-Bro-Balt-DoYouhas were mafia by the end of D1...


..yeah I was wrong about DYH, but still >_>


On February 10 2012 13:52 Probulous wrote:
Thanks Qatol, I enjoy reading the comments in the thread so please post them in here.

What are your thoughts on bussing as mafia? My biggest issue this game aside from being unavailable more than usual, was how to approach my mafia brethren in the thread. On one hand if I don't push them as hard as others the double standard becomes clear but if I push them too hard they end up getting lynched.

For example Day 1 you can read in the QT that as soon as zarepath made his opening post I knew it would be his downfall. It was a suspicious topic and was presented in a suspicious manner. How do I not avoid placing him at the top of my "scum" list? Jitsu chose Fake because he agreed but logically zarepath should have been target number 1.

The reason I told the boys to post lots was I felt confident in being able to survive for at least the first day and probably day 2 as well. So I wanted them to get as much thread presence as possible. The problem was that most of the team opened up in ways that would normally flag my red radar, how do I not implicate them?

Take Adam's case on me, it was based purely on me voting for Fake on Day 1 and knowing that normally I would not vote for such an obvious miss-lynch. I wasn't here for that vote and probably would have pushed us to vote elsewhere but the problem remains.

When is it appropriate to throw your team mates under the bus?



Treat your mafia buddies as just another "player", that way you immerse yourself more on the "townie" role you supposedly have.


Of course, if each scum link their big posts in their QT before posting them, you all can analyse it and figure out how to react to it in the thread.


On February 11 2012 06:15 jaj22 wrote:
I quoted a scumbuddy in my first proper mafia post, so it's rather amusing that people dodge it so much. My principle as scum was to think as a townie first and scum second. Probably easier when you don't have any scumbuddies in the same timezone distracting you with that agenda stuff.



The point is not that they dont just quote each other at all.


The point is that they don't argue with each other.

You don't see scumbuddies FoSing each other, breaking each other's analysis, defending themselves against their buddy, at least not on D1-D2.


In fact, quoting a scumbuddy at the start of D1 to say something irrelevant is something lots of scum do, and I ignore that since anybody can do it.

I just take into account those full-fledge discussions between players, that you say "Wait, if both of them are scum then they must have spent 10 hours planning that, that must have been boring as hell and kind of pointless since nobody even pays attention to people interacting to each other, so both of them can't be scum", or something like that.
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