Pick Your Power: Redux - Page 24

On May 16 2012 06:51 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Hmm.... that and GMarshal's clarification seems to take angry vig down a notch. Although Hider and Witch aren't exactly prime roles, it's still something to consider.

I think jailkeeper would be odd though in the early game. Since generally you'd have a greater chance of blocking a blue than a red until we have a good picture of who everyone is. It's like shooting someone in the foot and then patching up the wound. The flip side to this is being able to roleblock the SK's bulletproof and having vigs/CPR/mafia take him out.

On May 16 2012 05:40 Qatol wrote:
Deconduo, I don't like the idea of a tiering system because I don't want people locked into the idea of "X role isn't good enough to be picked this early" or "X role is too good to be picked this late." Such a system results in CPR Doctor being picked at 20, Meth Man making it to 16, and Copycat slipping down to 24 (all from Pick Your Power Insane). I know it will still happen to a certain extent, but I want to minimize it. If it's a good role, I want to see it in the game and I want to see it in the hands of someone who is comfortable using it. That should also keep interest and activity levels higher for the town. I realize that you left things relatively open, but I think any sort of tiering system will push people into this mindset more than I'd like to see.

On May 16 2012 05:40 Qatol wrote:
Jailkeeper in particular synergizes well with CPR doctor. Generally, it's an extra doctor, but it also has the benefit of denying the use of roles you don't want to see used anyways. Alternatively, we can use it as a second roleblocker. You would take it instead of roleblocker or doctor because you think the other role is being picked or just because you want to give the game a little more flexibility.

Hider is a gamber's role, but only to a certain extent. Notice that Hider does not die if he hides behind mafia any more. This means that you just have to think about the players you think the mafia/SK are unlikely to hit.

The biggest benefit of Witch isn't that it reduces KP, but that it definitely automatically gives a free blocked hit. This alone makes it stronger than Veteran unless someone is silly enough to shoot the Veteran twice but not on consecutive nights. It may also be stronger than Doctor because of how hard it is to block a hit in the first place.

On May 16 2012 05:40 Qatol wrote:
I disagree about claiming a denial role straight away. Claim it only after the Copy Cat has been decided. We don't want to give the mafia ideas about other players to shoot and grab good roles.

On May 16 2012 06:57 deconduo wrote:


Nope, cos jailing them protects them as well.

On May 16 2012 07:23 slOosh wrote:
Hider is strong because you are saving yourself (unlike medic) and its infinite KP proof (unlike vet).

On May 16 2012 07:39 deconduo wrote:


Getting stacked is highly unlikely given the setup, and the angry vig only has one shot. The chance of dying by hiding behind the wrong person far outweighs this benefit imo. I would take vet over hider any time.

On May 16 2012 07:41 Toadesstern wrote:


you can't die by hiding behind the wrong person, unless you are talking about hiding behind someone who's going to die very early making your protection vanish. But yeah I agree I'd choose vet over Hider as well.

On May 16 2012 07:56 deconduo wrote:


I think you misunderstand the hider role. If I hide behind X and someone shoots X, we both die.

On May 16 2012 07:55 Snarfs wrote:
Catching up:

I'm okay with either

CPR
Janitor
CPR/Janitor 50/50

or

CPR
CPR
Janitor

Qatol, it looks like your argument against the second option was that it didn't prevent the Janitor power from being used (please correct me if I have this wrong). However, in either situation, if mafia gets the Janitor spot on the queue, they can use it in exchange for a member of their team. Either way if Janitor is used we lynch into the Janitor spot on the queue.

I also don't really mind if people post their own rankings of the roles. It can be useful for newer players who haven't seen many of these roles, such as myself, to see the discussion. As long as everyone looking for advice doesn't take it as a "you have to pick these roles in these positions", it seems more beneficial than harmful.