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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On November 13 2010 01:59 aidnai wrote: Third party: Correct me if I'm wrong, but Doesn't this mean 100% you can't win with mafia? That scum is most definitely going to betray you? correct me if I'm wrong here. Also, Lunar, I might be wrong, but I think you could have claimed Vigi and called out Ace, thus saving the town from one of their god-awful lynches. Very fun game to watch, I'll be playing next time for sure. Na, the scum just has to kill all the blue people, the third party could provide a much needed two extra votes. Artanis added this in because players like Youngminii and Infun could seriously mess with the lynches, even against a united mafia and third party. I hope to play a game with you soon! | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
L about late game has revealed too much so listening to him aint good either since we need 1 survivor in case our flipping card turns bad. mafia had been mod killed twice or so? else we could have win much faster... also some important role like bus/rat afk for 1-2 night or so, its pretty much only 3-4 mafia had been working actively for the team. oh well GG | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On November 13 2010 02:05 deconduo wrote: Btw, Dr. H what made you suspect me? I thought I was doing pretty well to be not scummy shitty defense of pandain at a point when the bandwagon was gonna swing onto aeres (meaning you didn't have to defend pandain really if you were a town thinking he was town) soft analysis that didn't really say much i don't remember exactly but it was your first post defending pandain and kinda softly prodding me | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On November 13 2010 01:59 aidnai wrote: I watched most of this game. I'm new to online mafia games, though mafia used to be a favorite party game when I was in highschool. My two cents on this game: Dr. H, you're better mafia than you are town (apparently you're much more experienced as scum?). Actually, you are quite awesome as mafia, but as pointed out early (and you yourself admitted), your scumhunting was lackluster (i think the spaminess hurt). Not to be too hard on you though, since your leadership was actually great (just look at the town after you died lol). Town, Ace, L, and Pandain were all lynches you should have made happen. If you had nailed these guys earlier, the thread would have been a LOT less spammy and confusion-inducing. Instead, they were allowed to defend themselves via shouting matches while town made the stupidest lynch decisions possible. Kenpachi, your self-defense was really weak. It looked like Mafia cut you loose, just like they did with Coag. I believed Pandain was GF 100% until he called you out and you responded so poorly. You knew he was GF 100% as soon as he called you out, you should have forcefully argued this with the town. There were good reasons on your side: - No other mayor candidates flipped red, but there's no way Mafia wouldn't put forward a candidate - Coag asked a DT to check Panda (XD L) - Pandain did not follow through with campaign promises or contribute to scumhunting - Pandain picked the EASIEST POSSIBLE role to fake for a mafia--alignment checker - etc. Mafia, you spread chaos and terror like raspberry jam on toast. I don't think we saw the most nuanced, subtle play from your side, but it got the job done so who can argue? Actually, I think this game style is probably effective in a game this size, with no role lists. If you make mistakes (and you are sure to with so many people), just spam spam spam until nobody remembers. It shouldn't work in a small game though, so don't try this at home. Hosts, great job, super fun set-up. The tracker/watcher thing did not throw me at all (prolly since I don't play online games?). Third party: Correct me if I'm wrong, but Doesn't this mean 100% you can't win with mafia? That scum is most definitely going to betray you? correct me if I'm wrong here. Also, Lunar, I might be wrong, but I think you could have claimed Vigi and called out Ace, thus saving the town from one of their god-awful lynches. Very fun game to watch, I'll be playing next time for sure. Yeah, I'm not used to playing town so I didn't realize until later I shouldn't post so much. I look forward to my next game as town. | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
Now, I wanna post the death message that I was planning on when I was lynched; I didn't know I couldn't post this after my lynch, due to some miscommunication between me and Artanis, so I guess I'll post it now. + Show Spoiler + Heh… looks like I got to visit the gallows after all. Unfortunately, I wasn't lying when I said I was a townie, as you guys already know at this point. Then again, I suppose your convictions against me were valid, if incorrect. I'm not particularly happy about my death, but I don't blame you guys in the slightest. Hell, if that was any other player who had fake-claimed Bodyguard and fucked it up to the extent that you saw, I'd be voting for that guy's execution, too. So, I don't feel like my death was unjustified. I admit my idea for protecting the Doc, although feasible in theory, was just horribly played out. I blame that on A) being generally inexperienced, B) wanting to service the town within the limits of my role, C) liking the idea of being a sensationalist hero (lol), and D) not bothering to think anything through completely. Truth be told, I suck. I wanted to improve, so I decided to try something unorthodox in a game I was participating in. There's only so much you can glean from reading past games, so I wanted to see if my observations of Ace, BC, L, the Doc, Qatol, and the other "Big Gunz" in TL Mafia would pay off. Clearly, they didn't. I don't like being conservative in games like these. It's a great feeling to win debates and prove claims, especially in a team setting where your actions can win you the game, so I went on a much more active tack than my play in Haunted Mafia showed. I wanted that chance to be "the man", the guy whose actions were critical to the game. I did not meet the requirements for The Man™; in fact, my claim was about as believable as Blizzard's argument for IP rights in Korea. -.- But I digress. Good intentions, plausible ideas… terrible implementation. The story of my life… and now of my death. Take care, guys. I'm most likely going to sit out the next Mafia game, partly so I don't inadvertently screw up the game again, partly due to schoolwork encroaching on my free time, and partly because of self-pity, I guess. It's pretty discouraging to have what you think is a sound plan getting shot down because of its utter stupidity, and then being derided as a stupid player. I'm not trying to QQ, but that's pretty much how I feel. + Show Spoiler + As a final addendum to this little monologue, I'd like to throw a message out to the good Doc. Doc, I'm fully aware that I'll sound like a creepy son of a bitch for saying this, but I defended you so adamantly early in the game because… I suppose it's because I look up to you as a player. A sort of icon, if you will, as to how a Mafia player should act and think. I want to emulate that set of qualities, but inexperienced as I am, I can't hope to do so just yet. I also felt that your abilities (not just your role, but your skills as a player) were vital to the town, so I wanted to protect you as best I could. In the end, I stabbed myself in the back, but I was convinced till the end that you were a townie. Taking one for the team isn't always a smart decision (as seen in my horrible fuckup), but I couldn't think of another way to help the town. My role was suited to protection, and who better to protect than the Mayor, who also happens to be a role model to me? | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On November 13 2010 04:19 Aeres wrote: Oh crap, I missed the ending of the game. Good work, Mafia. Now, I wanna post the death message that I was planning on when I was lynched; I didn't know I couldn't post this after my lynch, due to some miscommunication between me and Artanis, so I guess I'll post it now. + Show Spoiler + Heh… looks like I got to visit the gallows after all. Unfortunately, I wasn't lying when I said I was a townie, as you guys already know at this point. Then again, I suppose your convictions against me were valid, if incorrect. I'm not particularly happy about my death, but I don't blame you guys in the slightest. Hell, if that was any other player who had fake-claimed Bodyguard and fucked it up to the extent that you saw, I'd be voting for that guy's execution, too. So, I don't feel like my death was unjustified. I admit my idea for protecting the Doc, although feasible in theory, was just horribly played out. I blame that on A) being generally inexperienced, B) wanting to service the town within the limits of my role, C) liking the idea of being a sensationalist hero (lol), and D) not bothering to think anything through completely. Truth be told, I suck. I wanted to improve, so I decided to try something unorthodox in a game I was participating in. There's only so much you can glean from reading past games, so I wanted to see if my observations of Ace, BC, L, the Doc, Qatol, and the other "Big Gunz" in TL Mafia would pay off. Clearly, they didn't. I don't like being conservative in games like these. It's a great feeling to win debates and prove claims, especially in a team setting where your actions can win you the game, so I went on a much more active tack than my play in Haunted Mafia showed. I wanted that chance to be "the man", the guy whose actions were critical to the game. I did not meet the requirements for The Man™; in fact, my claim was about as believable as Blizzard's argument for IP rights in Korea. -.- But I digress. Good intentions, plausible ideas… terrible implementation. The story of my life… and now of my death. Take care, guys. I'm most likely going to sit out the next Mafia game, partly so I don't inadvertently screw up the game again, partly due to schoolwork encroaching on my free time, and partly because of self-pity, I guess. It's pretty discouraging to have what you think is a sound plan getting shot down because of its utter stupidity, and then being derided as a stupid player. I'm not trying to QQ, but that's pretty much how I feel. + Show Spoiler + As a final addendum to this little monologue, I'd like to throw a message out to the good Doc. Doc, I'm fully aware that I'll sound like a creepy son of a bitch for saying this, but I defended you so adamantly early in the game because… I suppose it's because I look up to you as a player. A sort of icon, if you will, as to how a Mafia player should act and think. I want to emulate that set of qualities, but inexperienced as I am, I can't hope to do so just yet. I also felt that your abilities (not just your role, but your skills as a player) were vital to the town, so I wanted to protect you as best I could. In the end, I stabbed myself in the back, but I was convinced till the end that you were a townie. Taking one for the team isn't always a smart decision (as seen in my horrible fuckup), but I couldn't think of another way to help the town. My role was suited to protection, and who better to protect than the Mayor, who also happens to be a role model to me? Your situation was horrible As I said above I would have raged so hard if I was town, because I still feel that your was a great move. I tried to defend you as best I could but it wasn't enough. Well played, you just got unlucky. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On November 13 2010 04:19 Aeres wrote: Oh crap, I missed the ending of the game. Good work, Mafia. Now, I wanna post the death message that I was planning on when I was lynched; I didn't know I couldn't post this after my lynch, due to some miscommunication between me and Artanis, so I guess I'll post it now. + Show Spoiler + Heh… looks like I got to visit the gallows after all. Unfortunately, I wasn't lying when I said I was a townie, as you guys already know at this point. Then again, I suppose your convictions against me were valid, if incorrect. I'm not particularly happy about my death, but I don't blame you guys in the slightest. Hell, if that was any other player who had fake-claimed Bodyguard and fucked it up to the extent that you saw, I'd be voting for that guy's execution, too. So, I don't feel like my death was unjustified. I admit my idea for protecting the Doc, although feasible in theory, was just horribly played out. I blame that on A) being generally inexperienced, B) wanting to service the town within the limits of my role, C) liking the idea of being a sensationalist hero (lol), and D) not bothering to think anything through completely. Truth be told, I suck. I wanted to improve, so I decided to try something unorthodox in a game I was participating in. There's only so much you can glean from reading past games, so I wanted to see if my observations of Ace, BC, L, the Doc, Qatol, and the other "Big Gunz" in TL Mafia would pay off. Clearly, they didn't. I don't like being conservative in games like these. It's a great feeling to win debates and prove claims, especially in a team setting where your actions can win you the game, so I went on a much more active tack than my play in Haunted Mafia showed. I wanted that chance to be "the man", the guy whose actions were critical to the game. I did not meet the requirements for The Man™; in fact, my claim was about as believable as Blizzard's argument for IP rights in Korea. -.- But I digress. Good intentions, plausible ideas… terrible implementation. The story of my life… and now of my death. Take care, guys. I'm most likely going to sit out the next Mafia game, partly so I don't inadvertently screw up the game again, partly due to schoolwork encroaching on my free time, and partly because of self-pity, I guess. It's pretty discouraging to have what you think is a sound plan getting shot down because of its utter stupidity, and then being derided as a stupid player. I'm not trying to QQ, but that's pretty much how I feel. + Show Spoiler + As a final addendum to this little monologue, I'd like to throw a message out to the good Doc. Doc, I'm fully aware that I'll sound like a creepy son of a bitch for saying this, but I defended you so adamantly early in the game because… I suppose it's because I look up to you as a player. A sort of icon, if you will, as to how a Mafia player should act and think. I want to emulate that set of qualities, but inexperienced as I am, I can't hope to do so just yet. I also felt that your abilities (not just your role, but your skills as a player) were vital to the town, so I wanted to protect you as best I could. In the end, I stabbed myself in the back, but I was convinced till the end that you were a townie. Taking one for the team isn't always a smart decision (as seen in my horrible fuckup), but I couldn't think of another way to help the town. My role was suited to protection, and who better to protect than the Mayor, who also happens to be a role model to me? You could have just posted at the last minute, if you know you're going to get lynched. But what the hell? That post isn't really game related. I was expecting strategic thoughts, clues, pointers, etc.. It's better to have you express your feelings and summarize it after the game has ended, like now. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On November 12 2010 23:44 LSB wrote: What did you guys think about the role? Like? Dislike? Roles should be more/less powerful? i liked a lot of the roles. I personally felt like mine was rather underpowered at first, only being able to move a vote from one person to myself. But I guess with multiple vote riggers, you don't want each one to be individually too strong. And there were a couple times where if I gone with my intuition/been smarter, my role prob could have got a mafia lynched. Don't really mean to complain, and I like the role of vote rigger in general, just that in comparison to some of the other roles this game it seemed a little, well, lackluster :p | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On November 13 2010 04:19 Aeres wrote: Oh crap, I missed the ending of the game. Good work, Mafia. Now, I wanna post the death message that I was planning on when I was lynched; I didn't know I couldn't post this after my lynch, due to some miscommunication between me and Artanis, so I guess I'll post it now. + Show Spoiler + Heh… looks like I got to visit the gallows after all. Unfortunately, I wasn't lying when I said I was a townie, as you guys already know at this point. Then again, I suppose your convictions against me were valid, if incorrect. I'm not particularly happy about my death, but I don't blame you guys in the slightest. Hell, if that was any other player who had fake-claimed Bodyguard and fucked it up to the extent that you saw, I'd be voting for that guy's execution, too. So, I don't feel like my death was unjustified. I admit my idea for protecting the Doc, although feasible in theory, was just horribly played out. I blame that on A) being generally inexperienced, B) wanting to service the town within the limits of my role, C) liking the idea of being a sensationalist hero (lol), and D) not bothering to think anything through completely. Truth be told, I suck. I wanted to improve, so I decided to try something unorthodox in a game I was participating in. There's only so much you can glean from reading past games, so I wanted to see if my observations of Ace, BC, L, the Doc, Qatol, and the other "Big Gunz" in TL Mafia would pay off. Clearly, they didn't. I don't like being conservative in games like these. It's a great feeling to win debates and prove claims, especially in a team setting where your actions can win you the game, so I went on a much more active tack than my play in Haunted Mafia showed. I wanted that chance to be "the man", the guy whose actions were critical to the game. I did not meet the requirements for The Man™; in fact, my claim was about as believable as Blizzard's argument for IP rights in Korea. -.- But I digress. Good intentions, plausible ideas… terrible implementation. The story of my life… and now of my death. Take care, guys. I'm most likely going to sit out the next Mafia game, partly so I don't inadvertently screw up the game again, partly due to schoolwork encroaching on my free time, and partly because of self-pity, I guess. It's pretty discouraging to have what you think is a sound plan getting shot down because of its utter stupidity, and then being derided as a stupid player. I'm not trying to QQ, but that's pretty much how I feel. + Show Spoiler + As a final addendum to this little monologue, I'd like to throw a message out to the good Doc. Doc, I'm fully aware that I'll sound like a creepy son of a bitch for saying this, but I defended you so adamantly early in the game because… I suppose it's because I look up to you as a player. A sort of icon, if you will, as to how a Mafia player should act and think. I want to emulate that set of qualities, but inexperienced as I am, I can't hope to do so just yet. I also felt that your abilities (not just your role, but your skills as a player) were vital to the town, so I wanted to protect you as best I could. In the end, I stabbed myself in the back, but I was convinced till the end that you were a townie. Taking one for the team isn't always a smart decision (as seen in my horrible fuckup), but I couldn't think of another way to help the town. My role was suited to protection, and who better to protect than the Mayor, who also happens to be a role model to me? Aww Sorry if I or Ace or anyone else made you feel like an idiot, but you shouldn't take that to heart. Play again and get better, no one's going to look down on you for being a new player that made a mistake in that one game. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
Also, town posted WAY too much this game. It was like, on page 120 or so by the time I actually had time to post an analysis. And then, trying to sort through like 50 posts per person when 2/3s of them were spam? Ugh, annoying and a waste of time >_< Oh, and beneather was even more inactive than me, which I thought was pretty funny. You guys also misunderstood both Aeres's and 666's intentions. I thought 666 was hinting at the fact that he had a KP role, not that he was a bodyguard. Then, Aeres's claim seemed legitimate and he was trying to protect the actual bodyguards. Idk why mafia would try to go for such a position because it really don't provide mafia any extra protection. =/ | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On November 13 2010 12:20 ghrur wrote: I'm sorry guys. I should've been more active, but I really couldn't. >_< Term finals and lots of extracurriculars kind of kill my activity. Luckily, Thanksgiving coming up soon means I can focus on the next mafia game. Also, town posted WAY too much this game. It was like, on page 120 or so by the time I actually had time to post an analysis. And then, trying to sort through like 50 posts per person when 2/3s of them were spam? Ugh, annoying and a waste of time >_< Oh, and beneather was even more inactive than me, which I thought was pretty funny. You guys also misunderstood both Aeres's and 666's intentions. I thought 666 was hinting at the fact that he had a KP role, not that he was a bodyguard. Then, Aeres's claim seemed legitimate and he was trying to protect the actual bodyguards. Idk why mafia would try to go for such a position because it really don't provide mafia any extra protection. =/ If you can't be active, don't play. It isn't like you didn't know about your term finals when you signed up. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
who won? mafia? edit: son of a bitch fuck town who doesnt kill pandain =( | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On November 14 2010 10:01 annul wrote: wait what who won? mafia? edit: son of a bitch fuck town who doesnt kill pandain =( Yes | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On November 13 2010 13:01 Qatol wrote: If you can't be active, don't play. It isn't like you didn't know about your term finals when you signed up. Yeah, my bad. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Derp award for most insane player This award definitely goes to Glasse whom until he roleclaimed with LunarDestiny had not made a single post which didn’t make me question his motives. Retard award for most retarded player This award goes to Coagulation. Not only for his role, but also for incriminating so many fellow mafia members. Town should have definitely been able to pick out pandain from this. Bulletproof award for most HOW THE FUCK DID HE SURVIVE player This award goes to Pandain. When the third party started to look for him, mafia directed their hits away, giving Pandain time to jump in the trash bin. Also barely dodging two lynches, getting boogers shot at him, detectives checking him out; everything just seemed to bounce off him. Martyr award for most self-hating player This award goes to SiNiquity. After deciding he didn’t like his role enough, he martyred himself after hearing he was going to get lynched. This prompted Dr Helvetica to place him second instead of first, instead favoring youngminii. Fortunately for myself, youngminii couldn’t get lynched and after all was said and done, nothing of value was lost. Sniper award for suspecting most mafia members This award goes to Amber[LighT]. The zombie that first targetted RebirthOfLegend on night 3. On night 5, he first targetted Ace, then switched to L, and finally settled on RebirthOfLegend again. Should he have had 3KP on night 5, 3 mafia would’ve been dead. Sick scumhunting skills. Close but no Cigar award for being on the right trail but failing at the end This award goes to DoctorHelvetica for suspecting 3 mafia members from the start, but eventually succumbing to pressure and unwilling to kill mafia veterans. Should he have lynched pandain from the start, the game would have ended very, very differently. He was always on the right path but at the end dissuaded somehow. Bullseye award for best town player Goes to kingjames01 for proposing many helpful plans for town to use. He turned out to be too useful, as mafia saw it neccesary to snipe him for this. Keep it up! Sunken ship award for most failed town plan This award was a lock from day 2; Aeres had good intentions, but bad execution. He tried to get mafia attention away from the person he believed to be bodyguard, even PMing me before he posted to ask if he could say that he suspected me to lie. I thought the plan was interesting and gave him the go ahead, which unfortunately ended badly. Traitor award for helping mafia the most This award goes to Node, though he couldn’t know it. Thanks to him posting who was going to get hit at night, NB knew who he was going to hit and the mafia busdriver and/or roleblocker could make sure nothing came to harm. He effectively put another hit in their arsenal. To top that off, if he died mafia would lose NB as well. This was all designed in the role though, so it wasn’t so much his fault. The best idea would’ve been to get him into a town circle via Bumatlarge, though that was impossible near the end. Filthy Cheater award for being a filthy cheater Deconduo, you know why. Sleeper award for most neglecting their role This award goes to L. As mafia drugsdealer, he could infect any doctor for one night, and if they healed someone that person would get murrayitis as well. Knowing CubEdIn is a doctor, he still didn’t use his role until the very last night. Apparently he thought he could only infect plague doctors, but that doesn’t excuse never using your role. -___-; award for hardest to watch moment in the game This was when Ace got caught by kitaman, but they decided to lynch Hyperbola and KtheZ instead. You have a watcher role claiming to have seen Ace spread murrayitis and send in a hit, and you let him get away with a defense saying he’s a viglante after first trying to get away with not saying anything. On top of that, town decided to lynch KtheZ, whom was basically proven to be a detective. Dilligence award for not liking his role but getting the most out of it This award goes to Fishball. Fishball likes to play like a vigilante and hit people he sees as suspect. Instead, he got the exact opposite of a vigilante role; an information role. As mailman he kept a PM network alive wherein he didn’t even know if scum were active. On top of that, three of the players were inactive. He kept his cool and made himself very useful to town. Unfortunately, I made the mistake of modkilling him due to not voting. One of my bigger regrets of the game. Rookie Mistake Award for doing well yet doing wrong This award goes to LunarDestiny. As the third party, he was to attempt to win with either the mafia or the town. Night 4, mafia was in perfect victory mode. Ace and Pandain were ‘confirmed’ and no one had any idea of what to do. However, he made the mistake of shooting Ace. He didn’t realize how powerful the mafia was. Although the third party did make the mafia’s life hard, if the third party sided with the mafia, and maybe tried to shoot Veldril (like their win condition stated), they easily could have cleaned house. Biggest, but easiest to fix mistake for town Take a look at the last days lynches. 7 people were voted for by the town. This is just silly. The town should stick to as few targets to vote for as possible or else the mafia can get in, and quickly influence the vote. The town knew that there were 3 mafia, and the secrete mafia vote. Yet they still made it so that someone relatively safe (Nemisis), was ganged up and killed by the mafia. If the town held everyone accountable for voting for 4 people (Probably Kenpachi, Lunardestiny, L, Pandain), the mafia would not have been able to influence the vote as easily and would probably lose. Swaparoo for complete role reversal In most previous games, DoctorHelvetica has been mafia and Pandain was townie. In most previous games, Pandain died and DoctorHelvetica lived. This game, it was exactly the opposite. Pandain turned out to be the mafia godfather and had succeeded in being similar enough to how he played in previous games that he managed to fool DoctorHelvetica. Eventually, despite all his mistakes, Pandain became the sole survivor of the game, something Helvetica is more accustomed to. Chaos award for most chaotic player This award goes to Ace for consistently throwing accusations all around him, on both mafia and townies making it impossible to track after his death as well as leaving more confusion behind. Though town never analyzed his posts, if they did, this would most likely clear Pandain even more. He managed to put suspicion on the right people whilst not leaving a paper trail behind. Sigh award for most dissapointing weapon of mass destruction This award goes to the murrayitis mechanic which should’ve been spread way faster. Mafia had Ace as the murrayitis spreader and L as the drugsdealer whom could target medics to transfer murrayitis instead of the cure for one night. If L targetted the right people, the virus could’ve spread and detonated on around day 4, which would’ve killed a lot more people. Eventually, murrayitis only killed three people. Furthermore, if anyone has any thoughts/feedback on the game or wants to give their view from within the game, that'd be awesome. | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
i like insane mafia, should do it again one day, but with more insanity (i have some ideas ) | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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