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On September 22 2010 08:20 LSB wrote:
The thing is, if I was mafia, I would be supporting an erronous plan, trying to get the town to take part of a plan that is easily exploitable. A great way to do that is to support your plan!
Your plan has problems. Strangely you haven't address these problems. Right now you are saying, "LSB seems skummy, so therefore I don't need to worry about the holes in my plan". That isn't logic, that's misdirection.
Sorry, but "my plan" isn't easily exploitable as mafia. Yeah, the people not on the DT/Medic list will be considered "safe" from mafia POV, but I'd rather lose someone useless than someone useful. You're also missing the point. You're crying because you want me to address my "plan". Let me quote you again,
There are no fixes, we junk the plan and move on.
Remember saying that? Thought so. Why is it that all of a sudden you want to refocus on my plan? Not going to fall for that one, buddy.
On September 22 2010 08:20 LSB wrote:
Again, please address this problem. Tell me why I am wrong, don't just make a long post on why I'm supposed mafia to distract others from seeing that your plan has a problem.
Lololol this is hillarious. I'm distracting others by accusing you of being mafia? Lololol. Let's get this straight. Mafia is about finding and killing scum. I'm doing nothing wrong by trying to get you lynched. You, on the other hand, want to switch my focus from lynching scum to addressing "my" flawed "plan". You seem to be missing the point that the "plan" was just to get conversations going. Originally you wanted to "junk" the plan and move on, but now you want to go back to talking about the plan because you're now on the hot seat?
On September 22 2010 08:20 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +If there are no fixes, you junk the plan an move on. Valid. But you didn't move on. You junked the plan, and promptly disappeared. The most plausible reason why you did that is because you are mafia.
I don't have this list of possible plans in my pocket and try to use them. If I think of something, I'll use it sure. I moved on of course, chiefly no lynch once we figured out that it could be used.
You supported that after I voted for you and accused you. So your "support" of the no lynch isn't all too pro town when examined in context.
On September 22 2010 08:20 LSB wrote:
What I am saying is that your accusations twist my words. You admit that you can't read my posts at face value because if you do, you'll find that I'm a townie.
I am not twisting your words. I never admitted that I'm twisting your words. The fact is, you don't find mafia by reading everything at face value. Mafia want to run around wearing a mask that says "I'm a townie!" on it. You're never going to get anywhere by saying, "if it looks like a townie, it is a townie!" That's a recipe for disaster.
On September 22 2010 08:20 LSB wrote:
You now are relying on the fact that I haven't taken any positions?
What positions are you accusing me of not taking on?
Planning: You claim that I haven't made a plan. Therefore I am Mafia. Thats just silly. I'm not going to make a plan unless I think of one.
Ace/BM is scumYou said that I didn't give enough input into the Ace/BM lynch. Well, I don't feel like I should. Because I think there're town
Rastaban/Foolishness is scum: You said that I didn't give enough input into the Rastaban/Foolishness lynch. Well, I don't feel like I should.
So you expect me to 1) Pull out plans or die, or 2) Accuse random people. <sarcasm>Sounds townie to me </sarcasm>
You are setting up a straw man here. Your "positions" are not meaningful. I am not accusing you for your lack of planning per se, but your lack of pro-town mindset. Your posts show apathy. Your posts say "hi I'm contributing" even though its clear you're not. You don't want to say anything about the Ace/BM lynch because you think they're town? Why didn't you say that? All you said was "Ace/BM: This isn't a real accusation. More like Bill Murray Foe on Sight". Sorry, but I don't read "I think they're town" into that statement. You don't want to say anything about Foolishness/Rasta? Why? Instead of saying "these lynches are stupid", a townsperson would be trying to create discussion. In your case, you are just trying to kill it.
Wrong again. I don't expect you to do either of those necessarily. I expect you to be pro-town and generate content, stimulate discussion, take a stand, and try to get the ball rolling. Trying to make plans fits into those categories. Sitting around doing nothing does not. Its not that "oh noes LSB isn't plan making thus he is mafia!", its that "LSB normally shows interest in moving the town forward and generating discussion, this game he's not, and thus he is mafia!". See the difference? Take interest in moving the town forward. You've done none of that this game unless under pressure. A lot of the day 1 accusations are baseless. We don't stop people from discussing them because we need stuff to talk about. Its fine if you try to cut off that discussion point, but only if you provide something else better.
On September 22 2010 08:20 LSB wrote:
I would have liked more time to see what Bum would do, and how SR would play this game. But like you said, people wanted me to post. So I did, and I said that I didn't really think that they were mafia since new posts didn't fit with my general theory.
No, you posted that you were certain Team 2 was mafia after I accused you. You may have honestly been waiting to see what Bum would do, but I can't prove that. Context tells me that its more plausible you just pulled that out of a hat to divert attention from yourself. I don't think any straight thinking townie is going to take your accusation at face value at this point.
If you really want to look pro-town, start doing some straight up analysis. It has to be good analysis too. It has to be so good, that I'd rather lynch your target over you.
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On September 22 2010 13:23 Infundibulum wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2010 11:41 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On September 22 2010 08:50 Pandain wrote:
No you silly mongoose, you don't understand. You see, if we had medic claim he would have to protect himself. And then mafia would know to avoid him. Now, so what are the benefits of this?
1. We have confirmed townie(or mafia, so this isn't even that good.) We know not to lynch him.
But if he just protects himself without saying anything, then it will still have the same benefits but mafia won't know to avoid him, therefore we have the possibility of drawing hits into medic protection.
Medic claiming is just a useless tidbit that will help mafia.
Also, you got me killed because "I had no plan" that game, even though that setup was worse for plans!(no role information whatsoever) So shut that "Well we can't make plans" Well if the medic gets confirmed it would give the cop someone to claim to, if we also have a cop. The cop could check the medic and then pass info through the medic (there's no GF role or anything to make a faulty check). this doesn't work, no PMs between teams.
oh yeah sorry
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this is all assuming we even have a fucking medic
also, kill speculation is idiotic
the medic should obviously self protect so the chance of him protecting town is 100%. He could be like "oh, they'll kill ace and bill murray", or "oh, foolishness ALWAYS dies night 1", but how the fuck do they know we're not mafia, and how the fuck do we even know we have a medic?
I know it's night time, but we need to worry about who we are lynching tomorrow
this setup, though open, is unknown for now. We will learn more about it when a detective can check scum, a medic can make a save, or when we have a solid lynch. Lets work on the latter through some scumhunting.
You all know I will be scumhunting as soon as I am certain I'm not dying tonight.
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pandain, i know you're online, please post something
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On September 22 2010 20:17 Bill Murray wrote:
pandain, i know you're online, please post something
Why? Do you require feedback on something?
I'm at school but thanks to the leniency of teachers I'm able to be on the computer alot. But don't expect me to be super active during 8-3 EST or so.
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pffff, I'm in class and still posting. Ofc, college is different like that 
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I was just seeing if your would post at all
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Incognito and Infundibulum are an internecine ingerence. They invaginate incondite, inchoate ingannations, that inquinate inimical ideas in infaust innocents. Their iniquity causes ingerence, so inly instruments to interpose their ingravescent inveighs only makes their interference inexpugnable. For infinity, they indite inopinate, inconscient inconsistencies, that incommode us insouciance innocents. Indeed, indiscriminatory interlude is inescapable. Indispensable intelligence is imperative, that these indign imbeciles be inculpated for their incontestably invictive interchanges. Their impregnable indecency is not imprevious to the induction of the innumerable innocents that inhabit this enterprise. Indubitably, Incognito and Infundibulum intention to insidiate us incontrovertibly interlocks them as mafia.
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On September 22 2010 21:24 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2010 20:17 Bill Murray wrote:
pandain, i know you're online, please post something Why? Do you require feedback on something? I'm at school but thanks to the leniency of teachers I'm able to be on the computer alot. But don't expect me to be super active during 8-3 EST or so.
Did Korynne ever confirm whether or not mafia have to make a kill each night? I just PM'd her the same question, then noticed you mentioned it in the thread.
I'm also asking whether or not people are notified if they are saved by a medic. If they aren't notified by the host then it becomes a lot harder (impossible?) to confirm someone via protection.
I kinda want to move past this topic but feel it would be good to tie up those 2 loose ends.
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Response to Incogs post
Plans + Show Spoiler +On September 22 2010 14:47 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2010 08:20 LSB wrote:
The thing is, if I was mafia, I would be supporting an erronous plan, trying to get the town to take part of a plan that is easily exploitable. A great way to do that is to support your plan!
Your plan has problems. Strangely you haven't address these problems. Right now you are saying, "LSB seems skummy, so therefore I don't need to worry about the holes in my plan". That isn't logic, that's misdirection. Sorry, but "my plan" isn't easily exploitable as mafia. Yeah, the people not on the DT/Medic list will be considered "safe" from mafia POV, but I'd rather lose someone useless than someone useful. You're also missing the point. You're crying because you want me to address my "plan". Let me quote you again, Remember saying that? Thought so. Why is it that all of a sudden you want to refocus on my plan? Not going to fall for that one, buddy. You are falsly saying that I don't understand your plan, but in reality, you don't understand my problem with your plan. My problem with your plan is that the mafia can hide easily in it. What’s your response? 1) Start accusing me for not helping your plan 2) Start accusing me for not seeing why your plan is so “Pro town” 3) Make up a fake argument, say it's mine, and then claim that 'my' argument sucks 4) When I address 2+3, you start accusing me for talking about plans This is just getting silly and out of hand
My Mentality:
+ Show Spoiler + Show nested quote +On September 22 2010 08:20 LSB wrote:
You now are relying on the fact that I haven't taken any positions?
What positions are you accusing me of not taking on?
Planning: You claim that I haven't made a plan. Therefore I am Mafia. Thats just silly. I'm not going to make a plan unless I think of one.
Ace/BM is scumYou said that I didn't give enough input into the Ace/BM lynch. Well, I don't feel like I should. Because I think there're town
Rastaban/Foolishness is scum: You said that I didn't give enough input into the Rastaban/Foolishness lynch. Well, I don't feel like I should.
So you expect me to 1) Pull out plans or die, or 2) Accuse random people. <sarcasm>Sounds townie to me </sarcasm> You are setting up a straw man here. Your "positions" are not meaningful. I am not accusing you for your lack of planning per se, but your lack of pro-town mindset. Your posts show apathy. Your posts say "hi I'm contributing" even though its clear you're not. You don't want to say anything about the Ace/BM lynch because you think they're town? Why didn't you say that? All you said was "Ace/BM: This isn't a real accusation. More like Bill Murray Foe on Sight". Sorry, but I don't read "I think they're town" into that statement. You don't want to say anything about Foolishness/Rasta? Why? Instead of saying "these lynches are stupid", a townsperson would be trying to create discussion. In your case, you are just trying to kill it. So I should have tried to get BM lynched? Sorry, I don't push dumb things. Wrong again. I don't expect you to do either of those necessarily. I expect you to be pro-town and generate content, stimulate discussion, take a stand, and try to get the ball rolling. Trying to make plans fits into those categories. Sitting around doing nothing does not. Its not that "oh noes LSB isn't plan making thus he is mafia!", its that "LSB normally shows interest in moving the town forward and generating discussion, this game he's not, and thus he is mafia!". See the difference? Take interest in moving the town forward. You've done none of that this game unless under pressure. A lot of the day 1 accusations are baseless. We don't stop people from discussing them because we need stuff to talk about. Its fine if you try to cut off that discussion point, but only if you provide something else better. Frankly you are saying that I should bandwagon and accuse random people. I only accuse someone when I am absolutely sure. I was formulating an accusation, but people wanted it too early. As you can see, I ended up junking my accusations due to Bum's posts Show nested quote +On September 22 2010 08:20 LSB wrote:
I would have liked more time to see what Bum would do, and how SR would play this game. But like you said, people wanted me to post. So I did, and I said that I didn't really think that they were mafia since new posts didn't fit with my general theory. No, you posted that you were certain Team 2 was mafia after I accused you. You may have honestly been waiting to see what Bum would do, but I can't prove that. Context tells me that its more plausible you just pulled that out of a hat to divert attention from yourself. I don't think any straight thinking townie is going to take your accusation at face value at this point. If you really want to look pro-town, start doing some straight up analysis. It has to be good analysis too. It has to be so good, that I'd rather lynch your target over you. Yeah, and once I start doing straight up analysis, your going to accuse me of taking your bait and being scum. Your going to call this your 'trap'. Good thing I put in this paragraph. Sure I’ll post analysis once I figure out something. But it’s not going to be because I’m trying to appease you. It’s because I’m going to try to take down the mafia.
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On September 23 2010 09:11 Foolishness wrote:
Incognito and Infundibulum are an internecine ingerence. They invaginate incondite, inchoate ingannations, that inquinate inimical ideas in infaust innocents. Their iniquity causes ingerence, so inly instruments to interpose their ingravescent inveighs only makes their interference inexpugnable. For infinity, they indite inopinate, inconscient inconsistencies, that incommode us insouciance innocents. Indeed, indiscriminatory interlude is inescapable. Indispensable intelligence is imperative, that these indign imbeciles be inculpated for their incontestably invictive interchanges. Their impregnable indecency is not imprevious to the induction of the innumerable innocents that inhabit this enterprise. Indubitably, Incognito and Infundibulum intention to insidiate us incontrovertibly interlocks them as mafia.
Ingerence, ingannations, invictive, and imprevious are not words. However, invective and impervious are words.
Insouciance is a noun used as an adjective. You want insouciant.
The last sentence seems to be missing a possessive.
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On September 23 2010 10:19 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 09:11 Foolishness wrote:
Incognito and Infundibulum are an internecine ingerence. They invaginate incondite, inchoate ingannations, that inquinate inimical ideas in infaust innocents. Their iniquity causes ingerence, so inly instruments to interpose their ingravescent inveighs only makes their interference inexpugnable. For infinity, they indite inopinate, inconscient inconsistencies, that incommode us insouciance innocents. Indeed, indiscriminatory interlude is inescapable. Indispensable intelligence is imperative, that these indign imbeciles be inculpated for their incontestably invictive interchanges. Their impregnable indecency is not imprevious to the induction of the innumerable innocents that inhabit this enterprise. Indubitably, Incognito and Infundibulum intention to insidiate us incontrovertibly interlocks them as mafia. Ingerence, ingannations, invictive, and imprevious are not words. However, invective and impervious are words. Insouciance is a noun used as an adjective. You want insouciant. The last sentence seems to be missing a possessive.
Aside from these trifling irregularities that Qatol was rude enough to point out (hmph!), I found this post quite hilarious and also learned a lot! Nicely done, Foolishness.
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On September 23 2010 09:51 LSB wrote:Response to Incogs post My Mentality: + Show Spoiler + Show nested quote +On September 22 2010 08:20 LSB wrote:
You now are relying on the fact that I haven't taken any positions?
What positions are you accusing me of not taking on?
Planning: You claim that I haven't made a plan. Therefore I am Mafia. Thats just silly. I'm not feel like I should. Because I think there're towngoing to make a plan unless I think of one.
Ace/BM is scumYou said that I didn't give enough input into the Ace/BM lynch. Well, I don't
Rastaban/Foolishness is scum: You said that I didn't give enough input into the Rastaban/Foolishness lynch. Well, I don't feel like I should.
So you expect me to 1) Pull out plans or die, or 2) Accuse random people. <sarcasm>Sounds townie to me </sarcasm> You are setting up a straw man here. Your "positions" are not meaningful. I am not accusing you for your lack of planning per se, but your lack of pro-town mindset. Your posts show apathy. Your posts say "hi I'm contributing" even though its clear you're not. You don't want to say anything about the Ace/BM lynch because you think they're town? Why didn't you say that? All you said was "Ace/BM: This isn't a real accusation. More like Bill Murray Foe on Sight". Sorry, but I don't read "I think they're town" into that statement. You don't want to say anything about Foolishness/Rasta? Why? Instead of saying "these lynches are stupid", a townsperson would be trying to create discussion. In your case, you are just trying to kill it. So I should have tried to get BM lynched? Sorry, I don't push dumb things. He means that you're not really saying anything meaningful in your post. To be pro-town, you have to give reasons for why you say that it's not a real accusation. Wrong again. I don't expect you to do either of those necessarily. I expect you to be pro-town and generate content, stimulate discussion, take a stand, and try to get the ball rolling. Trying to make plans fits into those categories. Sitting around doing nothing does not. Its not that "oh noes LSB isn't plan making thus he is mafia!", its that "LSB normally shows interest in moving the town forward and generating discussion, this game he's not, and thus he is mafia!". See the difference? Take interest in moving the town forward. You've done none of that this game unless under pressure. A lot of the day 1 accusations are baseless. We don't stop people from discussing them because we need stuff to talk about. Its fine if you try to cut off that discussion point, but only if you provide something else better. Frankly you are saying that I should bandwagon and accuse random people. I only accuse someone when I am absolutely sure. I was formulating an accusation, but people wanted it too early. As you can see, I ended up junking my accusations due to Bum's posts To play mafia, you have to apply pressure on to people in order to get reactions especially when the game relies heavily on scumhunting. This game is a prime example in which pressuring is good for info. Show nested quote +On September 22 2010 08:20 LSB wrote:
I would have liked more time to see what Bum would do, and how SR would play this game. But like you said, people wanted me to post. So I did, and I said that I didn't really think that they were mafia since new posts didn't fit with my general theory. No, you posted that you were certain Team 2 was mafia after I accused you. You may have honestly been waiting to see what Bum would do, but I can't prove that. Context tells me that its more plausible you just pulled that out of a hat to divert attention from yourself. I don't think any straight thinking townie is going to take your accusation at face value at this point. If you really want to look pro-town, start doing some straight up analysis. It has to be good analysis too. It has to be so good, that I'd rather lynch your target over you. Yeah, and once I start doing straight up analysis, your going to accuse me of taking your bait and being scum. Your going to call this your 'trap'. Good thing I put in this paragraph. Regardless of whether you do it now or not, you weren't doing it before. This is just an excuse to be lazy and not do analysis from this point forward. The real question is, why weren't you doing analysis before this? (BTW analysis isn't the only way to contribute. You can have well-formulated rebuttals, plans etc) Sure I’ll post analysis once I figure out something. But it’s not going to be because I’m trying to appease you. It’s because I’m going to try to take down the mafia. You can never actually figure something out in mafia based on someone's behaviour. You can have a theory at best.
This was a poor attempt at a defense or just defense of poor play.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Needless to say, editing that post proved to be very tedious so I kinda just skipped the whole process...
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EBWOP: Open up the spoiler and read red text to see my comments haha.. the post looks kinda misleading.
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Day 2 Everyone settled down to sleep.
After a while, a few people were prodded awake.
Wake up darlings, they may have been too nice to kill someone in the day, but I know you won't disappoint me.
They gathered in the hallway, whispered with each other a bit, and pointed towards a door.
Ah... excellent choice darlings. Please, enjoy the rest of your night.
You awake to find yourself coughing uncontrollably. The room seems to be filling with smoke, you can't be sure, it's pitch black.
You and your partner stumble around and get to the door, but it will not budge.
"I think this is it for us... Bill." Ace coughed.
"It was nice working with you, partner." Bill Murray coughed back.
You wake up to the sound of a distant alarm, there's a strange smell in the air. You prod your partner awake, and you stumble over to the room.
Miss me darlings? Or perhaps, missing someone else?
Everyone looked around, and realized there was only seven pairs of them. Someone pointed out a nylon string on the floor, and they all followed it out in the hallway. It led to an open door, the smell here was stronger.
Everyone walked in, in the middle of the floor, was the corpse of Bill Murray and Ace, huddled together. They almost looked serene.
Now now, we don't have all day. Please come back in here so I don't have to smoke up this whole wing.
+ Show Spoiler +Bill Murray and Ace the Townies are dead.
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odd choice for mafia... people seem to have a grudge against them
Now comes the analysis of their posts knowing that they were town.
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lmao oh come on you have GOT to be kidding me lol
On September 23 2010 10:49 Bill Murray wrote:
x_x
expected
This was clearly your fault ^_^
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On September 23 2010 10:19 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 09:11 Foolishness wrote:
Incognito and Infundibulum are an internecine ingerence. They invaginate incondite, inchoate ingannations, that inquinate inimical ideas in infaust innocents. Their iniquity causes ingerence, so inly instruments to interpose their ingravescent inveighs only makes their interference inexpugnable. For infinity, they indite inopinate, inconscient inconsistencies, that incommode us insouciance innocents. Indeed, indiscriminatory interlude is inescapable. Indispensable intelligence is imperative, that these indign imbeciles be inculpated for their incontestably invictive interchanges. Their impregnable indecency is not imprevious to the induction of the innumerable innocents that inhabit this enterprise. Indubitably, Incognito and Infundibulum intention to insidiate us incontrovertibly interlocks them as mafia. Ingerence, ingannations, invictive, and imprevious are not words. However, invective and impervious are words. Insouciance is a noun used as an adjective. You want insouciant. The last sentence seems to be missing a possessive.
"Ingérence" is French for "interference."
"Ingannations" are deceptions.
"Invicitive" means "undefeatable" which isn't a word according to irrelevant people who fancy themselves hegemons. It is, without a doubt, the title of a fantastically awful movie.
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