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sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
April 17 2011 22:18 GMT
#3501
lol, i can barely can stand for more than 5 minutes at a time now before I start shaking uncontrollably.

my posterior chain loves me.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
April 17 2011 22:25 GMT
#3502
On April 18 2011 07:17 Sneakyz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:49 eshlow wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:27 Kickstart wrote:
K dumb question incoming. I went to dicks sporting goods store up the road to look for chalk and check out weighlifting shoes. they didnt seem to have any shoes and there was no chalk, i found a rosin bag in the baseball section with the bats and picked it up. Rosin the same as chalk or should I find the right shit somewhere?

many more dumb questions to come im sure~


Uhhh, it will probably work but it might make the bar pretty sticky. It will increase friction though which is what you want.

Chalk is to cut down the sweat which decreases friction and makes it easier to lose grip

Some cheap garden gloves work pretty decent.


Try to avoid the gloves.... it can actually make your grip a bit weaker because it adds another centimeter or so to the diameter of the bar
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
April 17 2011 22:52 GMT
#3503
On April 18 2011 07:25 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 07:17 Sneakyz wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:49 eshlow wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:27 Kickstart wrote:
K dumb question incoming. I went to dicks sporting goods store up the road to look for chalk and check out weighlifting shoes. they didnt seem to have any shoes and there was no chalk, i found a rosin bag in the baseball section with the bats and picked it up. Rosin the same as chalk or should I find the right shit somewhere?

many more dumb questions to come im sure~


Uhhh, it will probably work but it might make the bar pretty sticky. It will increase friction though which is what you want.

Chalk is to cut down the sweat which decreases friction and makes it easier to lose grip

Some cheap garden gloves work pretty decent.


Try to avoid the gloves.... it can actually make your grip a bit weaker because it adds another centimeter or so to the diameter of the bar

If you say so, that's only what i've heard, haven't tried it myself. Wouldn't add more than like 2mm at most to the diameter though, so i assume we mean different kind of gloves.
I just use straps when i lift heavy .
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
April 17 2011 22:57 GMT
#3504
Or you could use mixed grip for heavy deadlifts and work on your grip so it doesn't affect you in other lifts.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
April 17 2011 23:05 GMT
#3505
On April 18 2011 07:57 sJarl wrote:
Or you could use mixed grip for heavy deadlifts and work on your grip so it doesn't affect you in other lifts.

I'm more of the opinion that you train back to develop your back, not grip strength. But i know the opinion on straps is kind of split.
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
April 17 2011 23:19 GMT
#3506
I agree on that part but you shouldn't need straps to develop your back.

I just took 2-3 weeks to get my grip from absolutely terrible up to workable by adding some gripping exercices at the end of every other workout.

That said, I love straps on specific exercices like power shrugs and stiff-legged deadlifts.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
April 17 2011 23:32 GMT
#3507
K so parents are grilling out these sausages from sams club that i fucking love but i dunno if its paleo ok or if i should skip it and just cook my own dinner (ive been strictly making my own food each meal). They threw away the label with the ingredients and stuff but i found them online i think: yummmmmmmm

Ok to eat two of those or so or should i skip it
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
April 18 2011 01:12 GMT
#3508
On April 18 2011 08:32 Kickstart wrote:
K so parents are grilling out these sausages from sams club that i fucking love but i dunno if its paleo ok or if i should skip it and just cook my own dinner (ive been strictly making my own food each meal). They threw away the label with the ingredients and stuff but i found them online i think: yummmmmmmm

Ok to eat two of those or so or should i skip it


just eat it...
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
April 18 2011 01:16 GMT
#3509
barbecue ftw.... I'd still stay away from like hotdogs though. Burgers and sausages and stuff tend to be decent for the most part.


Some more on the weight loss stuff:
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/04/obesity-and-fluid-in-fluid-out-therapy.html
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
maliceee
Profile Joined August 2010
United States634 Posts
April 18 2011 02:08 GMT
#3510
On April 17 2011 19:35 Zafrumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 17:17 Kickstart wrote:
I have a few questions, first about exercise then about diet.
I've made pretty good progress so far (about 210 lbs now, down from 240) and my goal is to still lose about another 30 lbs (I'm not dead set on achieving a certain weight but I think 180 is a healthy weight at 5'10???) and am not sure what exercises to do. At the moment I don't have a real strict routine, I work out every other day and just do whatever lifts I can manage to do at home (just have a real shitty bench press bench) and a low level of HIIT on the bike (30 seconds full, 90 rest, 6 times). Im halfway through reading starting strength and I guess I just want reassurance that doing the program is an efficient one for my goals. From what everyone has said before it sounds like it would but it doesnt seem intuitive to me (it seems like less barbell training with some cardio thrown in would be better, but I confess i dont know much at all about fitness and this is probably due to the fact that ive been around so many cardio bunnies). So if someone could maybe explain how strength training is good in losing weight but while still building muscle/ strength while dropping the fat I would appreciate it.


cardio is very much overrated (and basically a waste of time if you are on a good lifting program like starting strength).

it should be obvious that strength training will help you build muscle and lose fat more so than any cardio program does, shouldnt it? I mean, if you do tons of cardio, you might lose the fat, but you will be a skinny kid with no strength whatsoever.

you can add some cardio (like 10-15 minutes at the end) to your lifting program, just be aware that you might not progress as fast because you are "taking away" strength from your lifts, if you know what I mean.


Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 17:17 Kickstart wrote:
Well I was probably a bit wordy with that first question so I will try and keep this one short. I like to cook a lot but am trying to stay away from the use of flour (this is correct according to paleo yes?), but Im wanting to know what some of you guys who like to cook use as a thickener (you know, you mix equal parts of flour and butter together and you can make an y damn sort of sauce you want from that). Is cornstarch ok? how about some gums? Any ideas would be good.


yes, stay away from flour for super strict paleo. personally, I still use it on occasion to make sauces

Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 18:38 Geisterkarle wrote:
Ok, after weeks of working in another country, I'm now a few days back home and try to go to the gym again!
So I did yesterday! I already thought "after that time, do a nice short workout" but you really see when you are not doing anything... have to step up a little bit!
Damn this good food in France


are you working for blizzard by any chance? or why are you in france ^^


Shouldn't that depend on what type of cardio? sprints and sprinting intervals are great for losing fat fast while retaining strength.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-18 03:04:39
April 18 2011 03:04 GMT
#3511
when someone says cardio it's the like 60-70% vo2max kind where you run for like 10+ mins

Sprints and HIIT are referred to as sprints and HIIT...

At least that's what we've been saying when we talk in this thread
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
April 18 2011 03:11 GMT
#3512
On April 18 2011 11:08 maliceee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 19:35 Zafrumi wrote:
On April 17 2011 17:17 Kickstart wrote:
I have a few questions, first about exercise then about diet.
I've made pretty good progress so far (about 210 lbs now, down from 240) and my goal is to still lose about another 30 lbs (I'm not dead set on achieving a certain weight but I think 180 is a healthy weight at 5'10???) and am not sure what exercises to do. At the moment I don't have a real strict routine, I work out every other day and just do whatever lifts I can manage to do at home (just have a real shitty bench press bench) and a low level of HIIT on the bike (30 seconds full, 90 rest, 6 times). Im halfway through reading starting strength and I guess I just want reassurance that doing the program is an efficient one for my goals. From what everyone has said before it sounds like it would but it doesnt seem intuitive to me (it seems like less barbell training with some cardio thrown in would be better, but I confess i dont know much at all about fitness and this is probably due to the fact that ive been around so many cardio bunnies). So if someone could maybe explain how strength training is good in losing weight but while still building muscle/ strength while dropping the fat I would appreciate it.


cardio is very much overrated (and basically a waste of time if you are on a good lifting program like starting strength).

it should be obvious that strength training will help you build muscle and lose fat more so than any cardio program does, shouldnt it? I mean, if you do tons of cardio, you might lose the fat, but you will be a skinny kid with no strength whatsoever.

you can add some cardio (like 10-15 minutes at the end) to your lifting program, just be aware that you might not progress as fast because you are "taking away" strength from your lifts, if you know what I mean.


On April 17 2011 17:17 Kickstart wrote:
Well I was probably a bit wordy with that first question so I will try and keep this one short. I like to cook a lot but am trying to stay away from the use of flour (this is correct according to paleo yes?), but Im wanting to know what some of you guys who like to cook use as a thickener (you know, you mix equal parts of flour and butter together and you can make an y damn sort of sauce you want from that). Is cornstarch ok? how about some gums? Any ideas would be good.


yes, stay away from flour for super strict paleo. personally, I still use it on occasion to make sauces

On April 17 2011 18:38 Geisterkarle wrote:
Ok, after weeks of working in another country, I'm now a few days back home and try to go to the gym again!
So I did yesterday! I already thought "after that time, do a nice short workout" but you really see when you are not doing anything... have to step up a little bit!
Damn this good food in France


are you working for blizzard by any chance? or why are you in france ^^


Shouldn't that depend on what type of cardio? sprints and sprinting intervals are great for losing fat fast while retaining strength.


Agree on cardio being overrated. HIIT is very effective on the other hand, but if you are able to do both HIIT and weights, u are either not lifting enough, getting overtrained pretty soon, or taking steroids :p. I mean HIIT slows ur recovery time even more than regular cardio and there is no way u can add it into any sensible strength training program.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
April 18 2011 03:24 GMT
#3513
I personally found that HIIT was less taxing on the body compared to really pushing myself in strength training, so it was a very good option as a "replacement workout" during the weekdays.

I agree that I wouldn't be able to do both HIIT and new PR's in SS on the same day. I was doing something like that 1 year ago but I was definitely not pushing myself nearly as hard as I am today.
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-18 03:54:14
April 18 2011 03:53 GMT
#3514
On April 18 2011 12:11 GoTuNk! wrote:

Agree on cardio being overrated. HIIT is very effective on the other hand, but if you are able to do both HIIT and weights, u are either not lifting enough, getting overtrained pretty soon, or taking steroids :p. I mean HIIT slows ur recovery time even more than regular cardio and there is no way u can add it into any sensible strength training program.


I kinda disagree with this.

If your talking about a four day split, in which one is either a HIIT/Sprint day OR you add a fourth conditioning day to a three day split, I think a sensible program could possibly compensate for this by having an medium/light day the workout following the HIIT day.

Just because you can't go heavy all the time doesn't mean you can't still train adequately .
When you add multiple HIIT sessions is when this becomes a problem as well.

Just my .02... I don't even have much experience in this realm personally, so feel free to let me know if I'm wrong.
Victory Loves Preparation
JT
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada24 Posts
April 18 2011 05:57 GMT
#3515
I have a question in regards to weight training in combination with sports.

I'm 28, 6'1, 187lbs or so. I've been an on and off lifter since I was about 20, but for the most part wasn't all that consistent and wasn't following very good or organized programs.

I've also always played a lot of sports. I did starting strength for 2 months about a year ago and made good progress, but in the last year I've been on and off with weight training. I'm in pretty good shape, probably 12-13% bodyfat and fairly fit and athletic. But I'd like to get into fantastic shape this summer.

If I just wanted to get strong and go for aesthetics as well, I know starting strength would be the way to go. The problem is that I looove to play sports and I want to do a lot of activities this summer that will expend energy.

I do BJJ once or twice a week, play tons of basketball, play in a hardball league, I'm gonna do some mountain biking, etc etc. I also work as a server in a restaurant so I'm walking all day.

I have a feeling that doing starting strength in combination would easily lead to overtraining, so I was wondering if you guys had any recommendations on what kind of strength training program to follow? Pavel Tsatsouline's "PTTP"? Any ideas would be very much appreciated.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
April 18 2011 06:02 GMT
#3516
So for those aware of my medical history I’ve had a lot of surgeries. All of which really hurt my ability to exercise, and really cut me up >.> I used to be fairly strong, was very athletic, but recently because my back has been bothering me a lot I haven’t. I went to a friend’s house, and their mom is a physical therapist. She said that I should do generally more activities to strengthen my back muscles to support my back. Depending on some of you health and fitness guys to give me some exercises to try. Probably relatively low stress stuff would eb good to start. I’ll probably see a PT in a couple months, but in the interim…
Also, regarding a purely cosmetic standpoint, do you guys have any advice for softening scars. The one on my back isn’t particularly pretty, but at least it has lightened. Despite putting Cocoa butter on the one on my neck for over a year and a half, it still is fairly red. It actually fluctuates with stress levels >.>
So, what specific core, arm, and leg exercises should I be doing. Also neck exercises, although that’s getting really specialized.
Less than attractive pictures of myself follow. If you want to look to hopefully help me, or to gawk, go ahead.
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Ugly scar on neck, that won’t fade.
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Scrawny leg, and ugly sock/shoe.
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My cut up back.
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My chest (It’s not that bent, just trying to bend so I can take the picture >.>)
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But specifically in terms of fitness, I just want baseline health. no superhuman lifting, just improving my posture, increasing core strength, and getting my arms and legs reasonably fit. People have said "do situps, do pushups."

Just to make it clear, doctor said to NOT do situps, but that V sit kind of stuff was better.

Also, some specifics, even if conservative would be nice, because I really have no idea AT ALL how much I should be doing. Even when I was more fit (like 13 or 14 lol) I just did sports and got fit, but I've fallen below that threshhold

I'm really small, at 5'4" (Chill sized, lol) and 110 pounds.
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
April 18 2011 07:04 GMT
#3517
On April 18 2011 15:02 Froadac wrote:
So for those aware of my medical history I’ve had a lot of surgeries. All of which really hurt my ability to exercise, and really cut me up >.> I used to be fairly strong, was very athletic, but recently because my back has been bothering me a lot I haven’t. I went to a friend’s house, and their mom is a physical therapist. She said that I should do generally more activities to strengthen my back muscles to support my back. Depending on some of you health and fitness guys to give me some exercises to try. Probably relatively low stress stuff would eb good to start. I’ll probably see a PT in a couple months, but in the interim…
Also, regarding a purely cosmetic standpoint, do you guys have any advice for softening scars. The one on my back isn’t particularly pretty, but at least it has lightened. Despite putting Cocoa butter on the one on my neck for over a year and a half, it still is fairly red. It actually fluctuates with stress levels >.>
So, what specific core, arm, and leg exercises should I be doing. Also neck exercises, although that’s getting really specialized.
Less than attractive pictures of myself follow. If you want to look to hopefully help me, or to gawk, go ahead.
+ Show Spoiler +

Ugly scar on neck, that won’t fade.
[image loading]
Scrawny leg, and ugly sock/shoe.
[image loading]
My cut up back.
[image loading]
My chest (It’s not that bent, just trying to bend so I can take the picture >.>)
[image loading]


But specifically in terms of fitness, I just want baseline health. no superhuman lifting, just improving my posture, increasing core strength, and getting my arms and legs reasonably fit. People have said "do situps, do pushups."

Just to make it clear, doctor said to NOT do situps, but that V sit kind of stuff was better.

Also, some specifics, even if conservative would be nice, because I really have no idea AT ALL how much I should be doing. Even when I was more fit (like 13 or 14 lol) I just did sports and got fit, but I've fallen below that threshhold

I'm really small, at 5'4" (Chill sized, lol) and 110 pounds.


I'm not really comfortable advising somebody not allowed to do even situps... Obviously it's nothing personal, but more that I worry about you getting injured from doing a movement that you shouldn't do. I mean, can you squat? Can you deadlift? Can you overhead press and/or bench press? This is really something that you have to discuss with your doctor.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
April 18 2011 07:11 GMT
#3518
I definitely agree that professional advice is needed from a perspective of a doctor / rehab specialist.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
April 18 2011 07:47 GMT
#3519
On April 18 2011 12:53 Catch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 12:11 GoTuNk! wrote:

Agree on cardio being overrated. HIIT is very effective on the other hand, but if you are able to do both HIIT and weights, u are either not lifting enough, getting overtrained pretty soon, or taking steroids :p. I mean HIIT slows ur recovery time even more than regular cardio and there is no way u can add it into any sensible strength training program.


I kinda disagree with this.

If your talking about a four day split, in which one is either a HIIT/Sprint day OR you add a fourth conditioning day to a three day split, I think a sensible program could possibly compensate for this by having an medium/light day the workout following the HIIT day.

Just because you can't go heavy all the time doesn't mean you can't still train adequately .
When you add multiple HIIT sessions is when this becomes a problem as well.

Just my .02... I don't even have much experience in this realm personally, so feel free to let me know if I'm wrong.


Meh that's kinda true, I agree. Some professional sprinters peform something like deadlifts, 2-3 sets of 2-3 reps with 5 min breaks 3 times a week; basically training for strength gains w/o adding mass and w/o building lactic acid. They even lift up to the knee and drop the weight at knee height to produce less stress on the body. Later they proceed to their regular training (aka sprinting).

However if u are doing any kind of decent volume (aka enough to add muscle mass, like, 5x5 squats on mondays/thursdays) adding HIIT somewhere will most likely result in a harmstring pull.
If u wanna mix em its just better to cycle 12 weeks of weights and then 4 weeks of HIIT or smth.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
April 18 2011 07:52 GMT
#3520
On April 18 2011 14:57 JT wrote:
I have a question in regards to weight training in combination with sports.

I'm 28, 6'1, 187lbs or so. I've been an on and off lifter since I was about 20, but for the most part wasn't all that consistent and wasn't following very good or organized programs.

I've also always played a lot of sports. I did starting strength for 2 months about a year ago and made good progress, but in the last year I've been on and off with weight training. I'm in pretty good shape, probably 12-13% bodyfat and fairly fit and athletic. But I'd like to get into fantastic shape this summer.

If I just wanted to get strong and go for aesthetics as well, I know starting strength would be the way to go. The problem is that I looove to play sports and I want to do a lot of activities this summer that will expend energy.

I do BJJ once or twice a week, play tons of basketball, play in a hardball league, I'm gonna do some mountain biking, etc etc. I also work as a server in a restaurant so I'm walking all day.

I have a feeling that doing starting strength in combination would easily lead to overtraining, so I was wondering if you guys had any recommendations on what kind of strength training program to follow? Pavel Tsatsouline's "PTTP"? Any ideas would be very much appreciated.


I'd recommend PTTP, but cutting down the volume to start. Like, instead of 5x2 a day perform 3x2 a day. That won't put up any mass but will make you stronger, perform better, and help you avoid injures. Later if you feel you can add some volume, proceed, but err on the caution side.
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