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mitchdouble
Canada21 Posts
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Orek
1665 Posts
On July 13 2012 04:39 mitchdouble wrote: I think that series was staged, if you notice in game 1 nestea could have prevented it multiple times, i.e. he had 2 drones killing the scv, but he left when the scv had like 5hp and he didnt even go back to kill him... he then made spines and cancled them... seems staged imo. That's a very interesting point of view. Yet, the situation is already controversial enough. It is courageous of you to bring in another controversial idea. | ||
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OhSix
United States252 Posts
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coolcor
520 Posts
On July 13 2012 03:12 Wroshe wrote: You should of course practice on the official map hosted by the official hosting account. Because that is the map that you will be playing on, unless you notice it is wrong and decide to tell the organization about that. By deciding to not practice on the official map you accept the risk that you are playing on another map, regardless whether that fault is made by you or the tournament. Also the wording 'keep copy pasting' is quite interesting considering it's the first and only time I have copy pasted them. The reasoning behind that is because the main point still stands: NesTea fucked up by not knowing it beforehand but most of all not doing anything during the match. People say teams should practice on the official GSL map version, but don't pros like to play custom games of versions of the maps edited to hide build order and winner information on battlenet to prevent opponents from looking at what they are planning and practicing? If the official GSL tournament version doesn't do this (does anybody know?) I think it is wrong to say that teams should have to take a risk in order to practice in secret because then you are forcing them to take a bigger risk if their opponents find out some of the team's accounts they practice on. Neither of those risks should be part of the tournament. | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On July 13 2012 04:50 Orek wrote: That's a very interesting point of view. Yet, the situation is already controversial enough. It is courageous of you to bring in another controversial idea. And by interesting i hope you mean completely fucking retarded.. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Swords
6038 Posts
I don't really know if there's a good analogy for this. It'd sort of be like finding a loophole in the rulebook and instead of saying "hey that's fucked up" you use the loophole to your advantage. The problem is he knew beforehand and said nothing about it. I still don't really blame Byun for what happened. The tournament admins should've immediately recognized the map was missing its' neutral supply depot and immediately regamed. Hell, the admins could've done it when the bunker went down. I don't think anyone would've had any way to argue against the admins stopping the game and saying "Whoa, this map is not standard." It shouldn't be on Byun to police the GSL map pool. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On July 13 2012 04:39 mitchdouble wrote: I think that series was staged, if you notice in game 1 nestea could have prevented it multiple times, i.e. he had 2 drones killing the scv, but he left when the scv had like 5hp and he didnt even go back to kill him... he then made spines and cancled them... seems staged imo. I'm honestly impressed at how vivid your imagination must be if it was able to make this up in your head to the point that you'd actually believe it yourself. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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rhs408
United States904 Posts
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OhSix
United States252 Posts
On July 13 2012 05:06 rhs408 wrote: Yea I was wondering about this, that was pretty ruthless by Byun to take advantage of the missing depot. Being ruthless is what wins you games. (: | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On July 13 2012 05:00 Swords wrote: The only way I can really see someone blaming Byun here is he saw the map had no depot beforehand (unlike ever other GSL map used for the past year), and instead of saying "hey, this map doesn't have a neutral supply depot" and reporting it he took that knowledge and used it to catch Nestea off guard. I don't really know if there's a good analogy for this. It'd sort of be like finding a loophole in the rulebook and instead of saying "hey that's fucked up" you use the loophole to your advantage. The problem is he knew beforehand and said nothing about it. I still don't really blame Byun for what happened. The tournament admins should've immediately recognized the map was missing its' neutral supply depot and immediately regamed. Hell, the admins could've done it when the bunker went down. I don't think anyone would've had any way to argue against the admins stopping the game and saying "Whoa, this map is not standard." It shouldn't be on Byun to police the GSL map pool. Again, blaming only byun for that is nonsensical. There have been dozens of other games on this version of metalopolis this GSL and GSTL season, why should he be blamed for it when it should have been reported about 20 times already? | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:33 IdrA wrote: byun is most definitely the bad guy. its the same thing as pushing a guy down and kicking him in the balls because you realize the ref isnt looking. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Hey, let's call ByuN's sponsors. Also he should apologize for playing that race. | ||
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Ollix
United States18 Posts
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ore0z
Romania161 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=26924 37) 2001 SKY OSL 1st game incident - It was Boxer vs Garimto in the SKY OSL finals. The map was Incubus and at the middle of the game, Boxer's dropship is roaming around an island that was next to Garimto's nat. People thought this weird because the dropship never did anything. Later it was found that the version of Incubus that Boxer received from OGN to practice on allowed a tank to be dropped on the spot. But the version of Incubus that was used in the finals didn't allow the drop. Boxer lost that game and eventually lost 2:3 to Garimto, making Garimto the first ever protoss user to win 2 OSL titles. That said, I think it's GOM's fault, but Nestea still probably knew about it. | ||
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Destiny
United States280 Posts
On July 13 2012 02:36 Fragile51 wrote: It was an honest mistake, which can always happen. If it was an honest mistake, that sucks for Nestea, but it's legitimate. The fact that he noticed this (clearly buggy) aspect of the map and planned on abusing in game makes him a scumbag. | ||
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legoboomette
England165 Posts
On July 13 2012 05:13 Ollix wrote: People are right, it absolutely is GOM's fault. But how is it not Byuns' fault as well? In almost every competitive video game, bug abuse is against the rules and wrong. If he really did knowingly plan this strategy, that's pretty majorly unethical. In almost every competitive game, bugs are actually used to their fullest extent (e.g most fps such as quake or cs with strafejump, or even scbw with stuff like muta-stacking etc, all these are bugs). Yes it is GOM's fault, but no way is it Byun's fault, who didn't cheat in any way. | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
On July 13 2012 03:06 ragz_gt wrote: It's def his mistake, that doesn't mean it's his fault. If some guy threaten you with a stick, and you jump out the window of third floor break 10 bones, that does not make it your fault, you just made dumb decisions that made the situation worse. Or if someone swivels into your lane while driving, you panics and slams on the break, causing the car behind you to hit you, does that make it your fault? It was the Firefighters fault for removing the trampoline that I was supposed to land on even though it was blatently obvious before jumping it was no longer there but I had 10 other things on my mind to notice  | ||
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rhs408
United States904 Posts
Quite a shame, hopefully GOM never lets this happen again. | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
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