EPT[Spoilers] GSL Metropolis Neutral Depot Situation - Page 14
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Werk
United States294 Posts
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
People's anger here should be focused at GOM for screwing this up so royally, not Byun. | ||
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Moriarty
United Kingdom286 Posts
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Titorelli
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On July 13 2012 02:50 Titorelli wrote: What an epic GOM fail... Thanks for the info, I was wondering how Nestea couldve lost to Byun... He lost the other two games pretty bad also... | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On July 13 2012 02:16 Ansinjunger wrote: I was wondering if IdrA would post on this, and I more or less agree. I find it disturbing that Byun would hide something of this nature. If it was someone who didn't just recover from a previous scandal (the Byun/Coca one, if a reader doesn't know), then there would be less scrutiny. "you probably shouldn't have done that." But now it's strike # 2. It's all the more ironic that he would notice this during a game vs Coca. I don't think Byun deserves any official punishment, but a rule of thumb should probably be put into place: "if you notice something is wrong with map, don't hide it." Wording it that way, I kinda thought such a rule already existed. As to NesTea, maybe he doesn't like making official complaints, maybe he was flustered. Maybe some random thought told him: "I'm better than Byun and this doesn't really matter," only to have that completely blow up in his face. Who knows? It's really impossible to prove who would have won, one way or the other, but I think given the overall performance (I didn't see any of tonight's games, but reading the comments of others, and knowing the final score), Byun would have won anyway. Edit: Also, it's GOM's fault too/their mapmaker person, but that should go without saying, yet I feel someone will "remind" me The fault lies on GOM for using this version of the map not on player's ethics. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On July 13 2012 02:50 Titorelli wrote: What an epic GOM fail... Thanks for the info, I was wondering how Nestea couldve lost to Byun... what??? Byun rofl stomped him in game 2 and 3 too | ||
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Geiko
France1939 Posts
Don't see why people are blaming Byun now ... | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
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Wroshe
Netherlands1051 Posts
On July 13 2012 02:54 Geiko wrote: Wasn't everyone cheering for Nazgul when he used the Kulas Ravine blink exploit ? Don't see why people are blaming Byun now ... How was the Kulas Ravine an exploit? It just was something that people didn't think of before. Having said that I feel that laying the blame at Byun is just laughable; the only one to blame here is NesTea. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On July 13 2012 02:59 Wroshe wrote: How was the Kulas Ravine an exploit? It just was something that people didn't think of before. Having said that I feel that laying the blame at Byun is just laughable; the only one to blame here is NesTea. I don't think you can really "blame" Nestea. He reacted really poorly, but he is still the victim. GoMTV have all the responsibility to make sure their map is up to standard. | ||
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Wroshe
Netherlands1051 Posts
On July 13 2012 03:02 ragz_gt wrote: I don't think you can really "blame" Nestea. He reacted really poorly, but he is still the victim. GoMTV have all the responsibility to make sure their map is up to standard. No absolutely not, of course NesTea is to blame for this. Let me ask you three simple yes or no questions. 1) Should it be a part of practicing for a series that you play on the maps that you are supposed to be playing? 2) Should NesTea have paused the game as soon as he noticed that the map was wrong? 3) Should NesTea have pulled more then two drones to defend an 11/11 rax; regardless of what map it was or where the bunkers were placed? Now if you say yes to any of these questions: how can you claim it isn't NesTea's mistake? | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
If some guy threaten you with a stick, and you jump out the window of third floor break 10 bones, that does not make it your fault, you just made dumb decisions that made the situation worse. Or if someone swivels into your lane while driving, you panics and slams on the break, causing the car behind you to hit you, does that make it your fault? | ||
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
On July 13 2012 02:55 Gosi wrote: I see nothing wrong with what ByuN did, so I can't really fault him for it. He noticed that the GSL version didn't use a depo and used the map in his favour to win. Good for him, not as good for NesTea obviously. But imagine if he would have gone for this strategy only to notice that the version on todays game had a depo down there now, that would have sucked lol. Chances are he had a normal strat for the map, then if the depots werent there he would do the bunker thing | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On July 13 2012 03:04 Wroshe wrote: No absolutely not, of course NesTea is to blame for this. Let me ask you three simple yes or no questions. 1) Should it be a part of practicing for a series that you play on the maps that you are supposed to be playing? 2) Should NesTea have paused the game as soon as he noticed that the map was wrong? 3) Should NesTea have pulled more then two drones to defend an 11/11 rax; regardless of what map it was or where the bunkers were placed? Now if you say yes to any of these questions: how can you claim it isn't NesTea's mistake? You keep copy pasting this when your first question is simply wrong. You won't practice on a map/version that shouldn't be in the tournament to begin with. | ||
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Wroshe
Netherlands1051 Posts
On July 13 2012 03:07 Assirra wrote: You keep copy pasting this when your first question is simply wrong. You won't practice on a map/version that shouldn't be in the tournament to begin with. You should of course practice on the official map hosted by the official hosting account. Because that is the map that you will be playing on, unless you notice it is wrong and decide to tell the organization about that. By deciding to not practice on the official map you accept the risk that you are playing on another map, regardless whether that fault is made by you or the tournament. Also the wording 'keep copy pasting' is quite interesting considering it's the first and only time I have copy pasted them. The reasoning behind that is because the main point still stands: NesTea fucked up by not knowing it beforehand but most of all not doing anything during the match. | ||
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triforks
United States370 Posts
On July 13 2012 03:07 Assirra wrote: You keep copy pasting this when your first question is simply wrong. You won't practice on a map/version that shouldn't be in the tournament to begin with. wut? did u read? that was the official map its been bugged for a few weeks.... aka if nestea was practicing on gsl metro recently there was no depot | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
On July 13 2012 03:12 Wroshe wrote: You should of course practice on the official map hosted by the official hosting account. Because that is the map that you will be playing on, unless you notice it is wrong and decide to tell the organization about that. By deciding to not practice on the official map you accept the risk that you are playing on another map, regardless whether that fault is made by you or the tournament. Also the wording 'keep copy pasting' is quite interesting considering it's the first and only time I have copy pasted them. The reasoning behind that is because the main point still stands: NesTea fucked up by not knowing it beforehand but most of all not doing anything during the match. I think we can all accept that NesTea probably should have held that bunker rush anyways, given that the scv lived with 5 life, he pulled his drones back, etc. And if he were playing perfectly (as we know NesTea can), he'd patrol a drone or something after noticing the supply depot. I think the point people are making, though, is that although NesTea's mistakes lost him the game, a game that Byun fairly won, when there are weird accidental changes to the maps like this, it's GOM's fault. It lowers the quality of play and the amount of fun watching the game if suddenly a balancing factor in the map is gone. Like if antiga's middle expos became gold or something. Yeah, NesTea should have noticed, or paused, or whatever, but the fact of the matter is, GOM fucked up. They dropped the ball. NesTea didn't catch the ball, but that doesn't mean GOM didn't drop it. I hope they take appropriate measures in the future to ensure quality control on their maps. | ||
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MVega
763 Posts
It's a big thing, but it's an easy thing to miss. The mapmaker didn't notice (maybe he could have checked more closely, but still easy to miss.), GOM didn't notice, most fans and pro players didn't notice, and those that did notice didn't say anything to GOM because they assumed that GOM knew. | ||
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Iksf
United Kingdom444 Posts
On July 13 2012 01:31 ohampatu wrote: Well, the thing is, most of the posts here are saying nestea should have won, not just that game, but the whole series, lol. Mentality and all that shit is getting brought up But thats not actually what people are saying, reading the entire post theres like 3 people who think it should be regamed and about 10x the amount people hating on the people who think it should have been regamed. Personally I think its deplorable that Gom didnt regame on their own when they realized they had a problem in the map. Even though NesTea was in a totally winnable position that was mostly due to a pretty sloppy 2 rax, if Byun had another SCV to continue building the bunker NesTea would have lost purely due to the imbalance of the strategy. | ||
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