EPT[Spoilers] GSL Metropolis Neutral Depot Situation - Page 17
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Zerothegreat
United States787 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On July 13 2012 05:19 Figgy wrote: It was the Firefighters fault for removing the trampoline that I was supposed to land on even though it was blatently obvious before jumping it was no longer there but I had 10 other things on my mind to notice  People and their terrible analogies. I got one too! GOM = Security NesTea = Store Byun = Shoplifter GOM should be blamed for Byuns crime because their security wasn't up to snuff and couldn't prevent him from shoplifting, right? RIGHT?! Or maybe Nestea should be blamed for not taking initiative and preventing the shoplifting by training his staff properly? Or maybe Byun should be blamed because he actually shoplifted?! GOD, I'M SO CONFUSED!!! WHO DO I BLAME?! Or maybe... just maybe... We take a look at the security employee that caused the error that allowed the shoplifter to get away. Especially if he was aware of the possibility of the error but did nothing to test or prevent it. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15387 Posts
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Nickemwit
United States253 Posts
In almost every competitive video game, bug abuse is against the rules and wrong In almost every competitive game, using bugs is part of competing. | ||
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Areon
United States273 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
I for one was certainly happy when he bunker blocked huhuhu, like the Terran that I am :D The Prime Terrans don't back off when it comes to winning, it's like they sell their souls. Let's say to the Prime Evils, kekeke. MarineKing and moe Diablo go so well together :D | ||
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Orek
1665 Posts
But it seems certain % of community are seriously believing that Byun was doing something wrong. It is completely opposite. For Byun NOT to try the strategy that he thoguht gives him the highest chance to win would have been game throwing act. I am glad Byun did his best to win a match as usual and was not punished for game throwing act. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15387 Posts
On July 13 2012 05:31 Orek wrote: Wait wait, I thought some of the earlier posts that blamed Byun were just trolling to raise awareness of this thread. But it seems certain % of community are seriously believing that Byun was doing something wrong. It is completely opposite. For Byun NOT to try the strategy that he thoguht gives him the highest chance to win would have been game throwing act. I am glad Byun did his best to win a match as usual and was not punished for game throwing act. If a proper map were used, it wouldn't be possible. He exploited the fact that a judge messed up. That's not ethical. You are arguing against a player having a conscious. This is very different from when big imbalanced were present like high scv health and 2 rax all-ins. This is something that was fixed but managed to not be fixed in this one situation. At this point, these strategies were considered so unfair to the point where they were made impossible. That's the point. This was considered so unfair that it was removed completely. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On July 13 2012 05:09 Dosey wrote: Should ByuN be punished? No. But he should be held accountable and (considering his past) deserves scrutiny. It was an obvious "bug" in the map as it wasn't announced and to take advantage of it in one of the biggest tournaments in SC2 is VERY underhanded. Not only that, but the map maker should be under investigation after this incident. He edited a map and implemented a change without testing it and didn't inform the rest of the staff. Both of these aspects sound extremely fishy to me, especially if you are going to say "it's a known bug" and then go on to not even test it... First of all its not a bug, it's the lack of a common map feature, secondly, there's hardly a need for this feature after the queen buff and the fact that you can totally deny it with a well executed drone drill, every way I look at it Nestea is 100% responsible for his loss, even though GOM could've done something about it, it's not really warranted anymore. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On July 13 2012 05:37 IshinShishi wrote: First of all its not a bug, it's the lack of a common map feature, secondly, there's hardly a need for this feature after the queen buff and the fact that you can totally deny it with a well executed drone drill, every way I look at it Nestea is 100% responsible for his loss, even though GOM could've done something about it, it's not really warranted anymore. If we believe the mapmaker: the suply depots vanished when uploading. That IS a bug, no matter if the result is "fine". | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On July 13 2012 05:35 Mohdoo wrote: If a proper map were used, it wouldn't be possible. He exploited the fact that a judge messed up. That's not ethical. You are arguing against a player having a conscious. This is very different from when big imbalanced were present like high scv health and 2 rax all-ins. This is something that was fixed but managed to not be fixed in this one situation. At this point, these strategies were considered so unfair to the point where they were made impossible. That's the point. This was considered so unfair that it was removed completely. How can you assume the proper map was not used before this thread though? As far as anyone knows it IS the proper map for two weeks. In addition, it's arguable that with the queen range buff the neutral depot is not necessary, especially on Metropolis which is a VERY Z favored map. So it's not unreasonable to think it is the intended change on the map to make it more balanced. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On July 13 2012 05:43 Assirra wrote: If we believe the mapmaker: the suply depots vanished when uploading. That IS a bug, no matter if the result is "fine". Guys from ESV have indicated in this thread that is total bullshit, their is NO depot vanishing bug, their mapmaker goofed. | ||
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BooMeyMoMo
United States11 Posts
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On July 13 2012 05:19 Destiny wrote: If it was an honest mistake, that sucks for Nestea, but it's legitimate. The fact that he noticed this (clearly buggy) aspect of the map and planned on abusing in game makes him a scumbag. Oh not you too, Destiny. I thought you had more common sense. "Hey mister, I noticed you had a tell of touching your nose every time you made a bluff and I want to win this poker game fair and square and I don't want to be a scumbag." | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On July 13 2012 05:37 IshinShishi wrote: First of all its not a bug, it's the lack of a common map feature, secondly, there's hardly a need for this feature after the queen buff and the fact that you can totally deny it with a well executed drone drill, every way I look at it nestea's is 100% responsible for his loss. Typical Terran idiocy. The problem here isn't whether or not the supply depot should be there. The problem is that the official map that should be played has this feature. Everyone knows it has this feature, and it has it for a reason. If there was no announcement about the change, then it is obviously an error. Abusing this error for an advantage is unethical and should be frowned upon. I'm going to go with another terrible analogy (that actually happened btw, but with inflated numbers) Imagine you suddenly see an extra $20,000 in your bank account. Clearly an error has happened right? But instead of reporting this error you believe someone loves you and go on a shopping spree and enjoy yourself to the fullest. The bank that made this error finally realizes it happened and asks that you return the money as it was never yours. Should you be held accountable for the money and pay them back? You bet your fucking skippies you should and you are going to pay them back one way or another. Should you be charged with theft of the $20,000 that randomly appeared in your account? Hell no, not if you had nothing to do with it. But again, you can bet your fucking skippies that you are going to be investigated on the matter. User was warned for this post | ||
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Lavit2099
United States390 Posts
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Hostileeeeee
United Kingdom42 Posts
What Byun did was in poor taste and he should have notified the admins as soon as he noticed, but it's not his fault. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On July 13 2012 05:43 Assirra wrote: If we believe the mapmaker: the suply depots vanished when uploading. That IS a bug, no matter if the result is "fine". Nope, still not a bug, you could say that a bug occurred while uploading the map, but the fact that it has been available to everyone and played in the GSL/GSTL in recent games means it's not a bug, but an accepted feature, it's not something unexpected and supposedly impossible, I doubt that Byun thought that he was exploiting something only he knew about at all, there's also the fact that in this day and age anyone can deny it without much trouble, aka all that's warranted here is a l2p. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On July 13 2012 05:47 lavit2099 wrote: Why didn't Nestea ask for a pause and talk to an admin about it? It's obvious the map wasn't correct. Exactly, and John said (mistakenly) on twitter that the map didn't have a depot to being with. Funny how everyone so sure this was a bug AFTER the report came out while not even GOM themselves know for sure before. | ||
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Orek
1665 Posts
On July 13 2012 05:35 Mohdoo wrote: If a proper map were used, it wouldn't be possible. He exploited the fact that a judge messed up. That's not ethical. You are arguing against a player having a conscious. This is very different from when big imbalanced were present like high scv health and 2 rax all-ins. This is something that was fixed but managed to not be fixed in this one situation. At this point, these strategies were considered so unfair to the point where they were made impossible. That's the point. This was considered so unfair that it was removed completely. Maybe I have different philosophy from some people, but as a competitor, you are supposed to exploit the fact that a judge messed up if it helps you win a match. Competitors are expected to do anything that is not clearly banned by rules. GOM hosted a game without depot, your opponent didn't pause the game, then why not try a strategy you think would work very well? At that point, rule clearly did not ban/prevent the strategy, so Byun proceeded. Nothing wrong with that. | ||
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