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On August 06 2013 02:55 Rassy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 02:28 DoubleReed wrote:Hopefully this hasn't been posted yet. The ex-gay movement held a rally at the supreme court. Almost got ten supporters! Doyle has complained in the past that LGBT activists have “shut us out” and that “because of all this homo-fascism and indoctrination in the media, ex-gays aren’t given a fair shake.”
He told Sandy Rios on Tuesday that the reason ex-gay events are so often sparsely attended is because LGBT people are so viciously militant that ex-gays are forced into hiding. “(T)ens of thousands” of ex-gays are out there waiting to tell their stories, he said, but they are “in the closet because of fear, shame and threats from gay activists.” SourceHere's a picture: + Show Spoiler + Thought this movement was a troll but they actually exist. Wasnt sure what it was so had to look it up. The ex-gay movement is a controversial movement that consists of people and organizations that seek to encourage people to refrain from entering or pursuing same-sex relationships, to eliminate homosexual desires, to develop heterosexual desires, or to enter into a heterosexual relationship. The "ex-gay" movement relies on the involvement of individuals who formerly identified themselves to be gay, lesbian, or bisexual but no longer do; these individuals may either claim that they have eliminated their attraction to the same sex altogether or simply that they abstain from acting on such attraction. There have been various scandals related to this movement, including some self-claimed ex-gays having been found in same-sex relationships despite having denied this. Oo
No one said they were honest or good. They mostly just exist to justify a viewpoint that being gay can be cured, even if they have to lie to get there. Really these are the same people who want small government. Just small enough to fit into our bedrooms.
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This thread keeps bringing up interesting things
A conservative wiki,never heard of that either.
Their article about evolution is quiet funny.
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On August 06 2013 03:22 jinorazi wrote:
that consevapedia....smh
Parts of the internet you never knew existed, where all facts are....questionable.
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On August 05 2013 17:28 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2013 09:58 Plansix wrote:On August 05 2013 09:49 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:34 fugs wrote:On August 05 2013 09:32 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:29 fugs wrote:
I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? Outstanding argumentation you got going on there. Oh yeah, hard to argue with death. Yes because what this thread needs is more pathos and less logos. Keep it up. What the reality of a 50% suside rate to much for you to deal with? The idea that your statements might do real harm is to real for you? No, this idiocy posting of yours and fugs is what is too much for me to deal with. I am going to call out bullshit posting no matter who presents it, or what viewpoint it is made to further. Randomly posting Show nested quote +I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? in an attempt to shame those who disagree with you in an entirely different discussion is bullshit posting. But nice ad hominem with loads of substance behind it. Funnily enough I am checking this post whilst sitting in the closed psych ward after having just had a conversation in my capacity as an M.D. with a schizophrenic patient who is currently admitted on red papers due to an attempted suicide - the person is not trans, but I dare say that I after 1 shift have done more for suicidal people than you or fugs have done throughout your entire lives. I also thought it was quite obvious that whilst I personally would never date a transgender because getting kids are so important to me (I have also left cis women before because she didn't wish for kids). I do however treat them as the gender they identify as in any other aspect of my life. I am in this thread because some try and pass that as transphobic and I am in this thread because I am interested in the discussion - which gets dragged down into the mud with posting like what I just called fugs out on and then amplified by your moronic ad hominems for which I expect an apology. EDIT: Fixed some typos. Typing whilst infuriated seems to impact my accuracy. EDIT2: Also if you insist on shitposting you could at least have the decency to use accurate numbers. The suicide ATTEMPT rate is reported in the 40-45% range in almost all studies. The actual suicide rate is approximately 30% - not 50%. This is obviously still ridiculous compared to the background population and an extremely serious thing. Even more disturbing is that there amongst transgenders living in states where intolerance is institutionalized is an 248% increase of anxiety disorders, 41.9% increase in alcohol abuse, 36.3% increase in psychiatric co-morbidities pre and post institutionalized amendments (and thus as intolerance increases). Source
Lol you work in a psych ward? Oh my god I feel bad for them. You actually think you do any good in there? That's a laugh.
First off, I rounded up. 45% suicide rate is close enough to 50%, you round up from 5. And if you can't live with the idea that your words can cause physical damage then maybe you should rethink your career decision. I'm not afraid to say that I've mutilated myself over this thread several times. Idc if I have to shame people into a way of thinking to make things better.
I really don't care anymore, couldn't give a fuck. You people don't seem to have a problem reminding us about how fucking barren or fake we are so I get to pull cheap ass tricks too. Don't like it? Fuck off.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On August 06 2013 05:24 fugs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2013 17:28 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:58 Plansix wrote:On August 05 2013 09:49 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:34 fugs wrote:On August 05 2013 09:32 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:29 fugs wrote:
I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? Outstanding argumentation you got going on there. Oh yeah, hard to argue with death. Yes because what this thread needs is more pathos and less logos. Keep it up. What the reality of a 50% suside rate to much for you to deal with? The idea that your statements might do real harm is to real for you? No, this idiocy posting of yours and fugs is what is too much for me to deal with. I am going to call out bullshit posting no matter who presents it, or what viewpoint it is made to further. Randomly posting I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? in an attempt to shame those who disagree with you in an entirely different discussion is bullshit posting. But nice ad hominem with loads of substance behind it. Funnily enough I am checking this post whilst sitting in the closed psych ward after having just had a conversation in my capacity as an M.D. with a schizophrenic patient who is currently admitted on red papers due to an attempted suicide - the person is not trans, but I dare say that I after 1 shift have done more for suicidal people than you or fugs have done throughout your entire lives. I also thought it was quite obvious that whilst I personally would never date a transgender because getting kids are so important to me (I have also left cis women before because she didn't wish for kids). I do however treat them as the gender they identify as in any other aspect of my life. I am in this thread because some try and pass that as transphobic and I am in this thread because I am interested in the discussion - which gets dragged down into the mud with posting like what I just called fugs out on and then amplified by your moronic ad hominems for which I expect an apology. EDIT: Fixed some typos. Typing whilst infuriated seems to impact my accuracy. EDIT2: Also if you insist on shitposting you could at least have the decency to use accurate numbers. The suicide ATTEMPT rate is reported in the 40-45% range in almost all studies. The actual suicide rate is approximately 30% - not 50%. This is obviously still ridiculous compared to the background population and an extremely serious thing. Even more disturbing is that there amongst transgenders living in states where intolerance is institutionalized is an 248% increase of anxiety disorders, 41.9% increase in alcohol abuse, 36.3% increase in psychiatric co-morbidities pre and post institutionalized amendments (and thus as intolerance increases). Source Lol you work in a psych ward? Oh my god I feel bad for them. You actually think you do any good in there? That's a laugh. First off, I rounded up. 45% suicide rate is close enough to 50%, you round up from 5. And if you can't live with the idea that your words can cause physical damage then maybe you should rethink your career decision. I'm not afraid to say that I've mutilated myself over this thread several times. Idc if I have to shame people into a way of thinking to make things better. I really don't care anymore, couldn't give a fuck. You people don't seem to have a problem reminding us about how fucking barren or fake we are so I get to pull cheap ass tricks too. Don't like it? Fuck off.
If you really didn't care, you wouldn't continue posting in this thread and you wouldn't guilt trip everyone who sees differently than you.
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On August 06 2013 05:28 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 05:24 fugs wrote:On August 05 2013 17:28 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:58 Plansix wrote:On August 05 2013 09:49 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:34 fugs wrote:On August 05 2013 09:32 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:29 fugs wrote:
I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? Outstanding argumentation you got going on there. Oh yeah, hard to argue with death. Yes because what this thread needs is more pathos and less logos. Keep it up. What the reality of a 50% suside rate to much for you to deal with? The idea that your statements might do real harm is to real for you? No, this idiocy posting of yours and fugs is what is too much for me to deal with. I am going to call out bullshit posting no matter who presents it, or what viewpoint it is made to further. Randomly posting I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? in an attempt to shame those who disagree with you in an entirely different discussion is bullshit posting. But nice ad hominem with loads of substance behind it. Funnily enough I am checking this post whilst sitting in the closed psych ward after having just had a conversation in my capacity as an M.D. with a schizophrenic patient who is currently admitted on red papers due to an attempted suicide - the person is not trans, but I dare say that I after 1 shift have done more for suicidal people than you or fugs have done throughout your entire lives. I also thought it was quite obvious that whilst I personally would never date a transgender because getting kids are so important to me (I have also left cis women before because she didn't wish for kids). I do however treat them as the gender they identify as in any other aspect of my life. I am in this thread because some try and pass that as transphobic and I am in this thread because I am interested in the discussion - which gets dragged down into the mud with posting like what I just called fugs out on and then amplified by your moronic ad hominems for which I expect an apology. EDIT: Fixed some typos. Typing whilst infuriated seems to impact my accuracy. EDIT2: Also if you insist on shitposting you could at least have the decency to use accurate numbers. The suicide ATTEMPT rate is reported in the 40-45% range in almost all studies. The actual suicide rate is approximately 30% - not 50%. This is obviously still ridiculous compared to the background population and an extremely serious thing. Even more disturbing is that there amongst transgenders living in states where intolerance is institutionalized is an 248% increase of anxiety disorders, 41.9% increase in alcohol abuse, 36.3% increase in psychiatric co-morbidities pre and post institutionalized amendments (and thus as intolerance increases). Source Lol you work in a psych ward? Oh my god I feel bad for them. You actually think you do any good in there? That's a laugh. First off, I rounded up. 45% suicide rate is close enough to 50%, you round up from 5. And if you can't live with the idea that your words can cause physical damage then maybe you should rethink your career decision. I'm not afraid to say that I've mutilated myself over this thread several times. Idc if I have to shame people into a way of thinking to make things better. I really don't care anymore, couldn't give a fuck. You people don't seem to have a problem reminding us about how fucking barren or fake we are so I get to pull cheap ass tricks too. Don't like it? Fuck off. If you really didn't care, you wouldn't continue posting in this thread and you wouldn't guilt trip everyone who sees differently than you.
I said that I don't care about guilt tripping.
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On August 06 2013 05:30 fugs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 05:28 farvacola wrote:On August 06 2013 05:24 fugs wrote:On August 05 2013 17:28 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:58 Plansix wrote:On August 05 2013 09:49 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:34 fugs wrote:On August 05 2013 09:32 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:29 fugs wrote:
I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? Outstanding argumentation you got going on there. Oh yeah, hard to argue with death. Yes because what this thread needs is more pathos and less logos. Keep it up. What the reality of a 50% suside rate to much for you to deal with? The idea that your statements might do real harm is to real for you? No, this idiocy posting of yours and fugs is what is too much for me to deal with. I am going to call out bullshit posting no matter who presents it, or what viewpoint it is made to further. Randomly posting I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? in an attempt to shame those who disagree with you in an entirely different discussion is bullshit posting. But nice ad hominem with loads of substance behind it. Funnily enough I am checking this post whilst sitting in the closed psych ward after having just had a conversation in my capacity as an M.D. with a schizophrenic patient who is currently admitted on red papers due to an attempted suicide - the person is not trans, but I dare say that I after 1 shift have done more for suicidal people than you or fugs have done throughout your entire lives. I also thought it was quite obvious that whilst I personally would never date a transgender because getting kids are so important to me (I have also left cis women before because she didn't wish for kids). I do however treat them as the gender they identify as in any other aspect of my life. I am in this thread because some try and pass that as transphobic and I am in this thread because I am interested in the discussion - which gets dragged down into the mud with posting like what I just called fugs out on and then amplified by your moronic ad hominems for which I expect an apology. EDIT: Fixed some typos. Typing whilst infuriated seems to impact my accuracy. EDIT2: Also if you insist on shitposting you could at least have the decency to use accurate numbers. The suicide ATTEMPT rate is reported in the 40-45% range in almost all studies. The actual suicide rate is approximately 30% - not 50%. This is obviously still ridiculous compared to the background population and an extremely serious thing. Even more disturbing is that there amongst transgenders living in states where intolerance is institutionalized is an 248% increase of anxiety disorders, 41.9% increase in alcohol abuse, 36.3% increase in psychiatric co-morbidities pre and post institutionalized amendments (and thus as intolerance increases). Source Lol you work in a psych ward? Oh my god I feel bad for them. You actually think you do any good in there? That's a laugh. First off, I rounded up. 45% suicide rate is close enough to 50%, you round up from 5. And if you can't live with the idea that your words can cause physical damage then maybe you should rethink your career decision. I'm not afraid to say that I've mutilated myself over this thread several times. Idc if I have to shame people into a way of thinking to make things better. I really don't care anymore, couldn't give a fuck. You people don't seem to have a problem reminding us about how fucking barren or fake we are so I get to pull cheap ass tricks too. Don't like it? Fuck off. If you really didn't care, you wouldn't continue posting in this thread and you wouldn't guilt trip everyone who sees differently than you. I said that I don't care about guilt tripping.
Well let me tell you what, it isn't really working. Pathetic arguments are some of the weakest, and oftentimes simply further solidify the stance of the opposition as they second guess your appeals to emotion. If you are actually interested in changing the minds of others as opposed to simply trying to make people feel bad, you ought to take a note out of Lyerbeth or Raspberry's book.
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On August 06 2013 05:34 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 05:30 fugs wrote:On August 06 2013 05:28 farvacola wrote:On August 06 2013 05:24 fugs wrote:On August 05 2013 17:28 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:58 Plansix wrote:On August 05 2013 09:49 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:34 fugs wrote:On August 05 2013 09:32 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:29 fugs wrote:
I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? Outstanding argumentation you got going on there. Oh yeah, hard to argue with death. Yes because what this thread needs is more pathos and less logos. Keep it up. What the reality of a 50% suside rate to much for you to deal with? The idea that your statements might do real harm is to real for you? No, this idiocy posting of yours and fugs is what is too much for me to deal with. I am going to call out bullshit posting no matter who presents it, or what viewpoint it is made to further. Randomly posting I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? in an attempt to shame those who disagree with you in an entirely different discussion is bullshit posting. But nice ad hominem with loads of substance behind it. Funnily enough I am checking this post whilst sitting in the closed psych ward after having just had a conversation in my capacity as an M.D. with a schizophrenic patient who is currently admitted on red papers due to an attempted suicide - the person is not trans, but I dare say that I after 1 shift have done more for suicidal people than you or fugs have done throughout your entire lives. I also thought it was quite obvious that whilst I personally would never date a transgender because getting kids are so important to me (I have also left cis women before because she didn't wish for kids). I do however treat them as the gender they identify as in any other aspect of my life. I am in this thread because some try and pass that as transphobic and I am in this thread because I am interested in the discussion - which gets dragged down into the mud with posting like what I just called fugs out on and then amplified by your moronic ad hominems for which I expect an apology. EDIT: Fixed some typos. Typing whilst infuriated seems to impact my accuracy. EDIT2: Also if you insist on shitposting you could at least have the decency to use accurate numbers. The suicide ATTEMPT rate is reported in the 40-45% range in almost all studies. The actual suicide rate is approximately 30% - not 50%. This is obviously still ridiculous compared to the background population and an extremely serious thing. Even more disturbing is that there amongst transgenders living in states where intolerance is institutionalized is an 248% increase of anxiety disorders, 41.9% increase in alcohol abuse, 36.3% increase in psychiatric co-morbidities pre and post institutionalized amendments (and thus as intolerance increases). Source Lol you work in a psych ward? Oh my god I feel bad for them. You actually think you do any good in there? That's a laugh. First off, I rounded up. 45% suicide rate is close enough to 50%, you round up from 5. And if you can't live with the idea that your words can cause physical damage then maybe you should rethink your career decision. I'm not afraid to say that I've mutilated myself over this thread several times. Idc if I have to shame people into a way of thinking to make things better. I really don't care anymore, couldn't give a fuck. You people don't seem to have a problem reminding us about how fucking barren or fake we are so I get to pull cheap ass tricks too. Don't like it? Fuck off. If you really didn't care, you wouldn't continue posting in this thread and you wouldn't guilt trip everyone who sees differently than you. I said that I don't care about guilt tripping. Well let me tell you what, it isn't really working. Pathetic arguments are some of the weakest, and oftentimes simply further solidify the stance of the opposition as they second guess your appeals to emotion. If you are actually interested in changing the minds of others as opposed to simply trying to make people feel bad, you ought to take a note out of Lyerbeth or Raspberry's book.
Couldn't care less. Just telling the truth, no matter how ugly it is. If it isn't working then that's pretty sad, you don't care if you hurt people?
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On August 06 2013 05:40 fugs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 05:34 farvacola wrote:On August 06 2013 05:30 fugs wrote:On August 06 2013 05:28 farvacola wrote:On August 06 2013 05:24 fugs wrote:On August 05 2013 17:28 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:58 Plansix wrote:On August 05 2013 09:49 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:34 fugs wrote:On August 05 2013 09:32 Ghostcom wrote:
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Outstanding argumentation you got going on there. Oh yeah, hard to argue with death. Yes because what this thread needs is more pathos and less logos. Keep it up. What the reality of a 50% suside rate to much for you to deal with? The idea that your statements might do real harm is to real for you? No, this idiocy posting of yours and fugs is what is too much for me to deal with. I am going to call out bullshit posting no matter who presents it, or what viewpoint it is made to further. Randomly posting I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? in an attempt to shame those who disagree with you in an entirely different discussion is bullshit posting. But nice ad hominem with loads of substance behind it. Funnily enough I am checking this post whilst sitting in the closed psych ward after having just had a conversation in my capacity as an M.D. with a schizophrenic patient who is currently admitted on red papers due to an attempted suicide - the person is not trans, but I dare say that I after 1 shift have done more for suicidal people than you or fugs have done throughout your entire lives. I also thought it was quite obvious that whilst I personally would never date a transgender because getting kids are so important to me (I have also left cis women before because she didn't wish for kids). I do however treat them as the gender they identify as in any other aspect of my life. I am in this thread because some try and pass that as transphobic and I am in this thread because I am interested in the discussion - which gets dragged down into the mud with posting like what I just called fugs out on and then amplified by your moronic ad hominems for which I expect an apology. EDIT: Fixed some typos. Typing whilst infuriated seems to impact my accuracy. EDIT2: Also if you insist on shitposting you could at least have the decency to use accurate numbers. The suicide ATTEMPT rate is reported in the 40-45% range in almost all studies. The actual suicide rate is approximately 30% - not 50%. This is obviously still ridiculous compared to the background population and an extremely serious thing. Even more disturbing is that there amongst transgenders living in states where intolerance is institutionalized is an 248% increase of anxiety disorders, 41.9% increase in alcohol abuse, 36.3% increase in psychiatric co-morbidities pre and post institutionalized amendments (and thus as intolerance increases). Source Lol you work in a psych ward? Oh my god I feel bad for them. You actually think you do any good in there? That's a laugh. First off, I rounded up. 45% suicide rate is close enough to 50%, you round up from 5. And if you can't live with the idea that your words can cause physical damage then maybe you should rethink your career decision. I'm not afraid to say that I've mutilated myself over this thread several times. Idc if I have to shame people into a way of thinking to make things better. I really don't care anymore, couldn't give a fuck. You people don't seem to have a problem reminding us about how fucking barren or fake we are so I get to pull cheap ass tricks too. Don't like it? Fuck off. If you really didn't care, you wouldn't continue posting in this thread and you wouldn't guilt trip everyone who sees differently than you. I said that I don't care about guilt tripping. Well let me tell you what, it isn't really working. Pathetic arguments are some of the weakest, and oftentimes simply further solidify the stance of the opposition as they second guess your appeals to emotion. If you are actually interested in changing the minds of others as opposed to simply trying to make people feel bad, you ought to take a note out of Lyerbeth or Raspberry's book. Couldn't care less. Just telling the truth, no matter how ugly it is. If it isn't working then that's pretty sad, you don't care if you hurt people?
I'm not hurting anyone, you are.
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On August 06 2013 05:41 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 05:40 fugs wrote:On August 06 2013 05:34 farvacola wrote:On August 06 2013 05:30 fugs wrote:On August 06 2013 05:28 farvacola wrote:On August 06 2013 05:24 fugs wrote:On August 05 2013 17:28 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:58 Plansix wrote:On August 05 2013 09:49 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:34 fugs wrote:
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Oh yeah, hard to argue with death. Yes because what this thread needs is more pathos and less logos. Keep it up. What the reality of a 50% suside rate to much for you to deal with? The idea that your statements might do real harm is to real for you? No, this idiocy posting of yours and fugs is what is too much for me to deal with. I am going to call out bullshit posting no matter who presents it, or what viewpoint it is made to further. Randomly posting I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? in an attempt to shame those who disagree with you in an entirely different discussion is bullshit posting. But nice ad hominem with loads of substance behind it. Funnily enough I am checking this post whilst sitting in the closed psych ward after having just had a conversation in my capacity as an M.D. with a schizophrenic patient who is currently admitted on red papers due to an attempted suicide - the person is not trans, but I dare say that I after 1 shift have done more for suicidal people than you or fugs have done throughout your entire lives. I also thought it was quite obvious that whilst I personally would never date a transgender because getting kids are so important to me (I have also left cis women before because she didn't wish for kids). I do however treat them as the gender they identify as in any other aspect of my life. I am in this thread because some try and pass that as transphobic and I am in this thread because I am interested in the discussion - which gets dragged down into the mud with posting like what I just called fugs out on and then amplified by your moronic ad hominems for which I expect an apology. EDIT: Fixed some typos. Typing whilst infuriated seems to impact my accuracy. EDIT2: Also if you insist on shitposting you could at least have the decency to use accurate numbers. The suicide ATTEMPT rate is reported in the 40-45% range in almost all studies. The actual suicide rate is approximately 30% - not 50%. This is obviously still ridiculous compared to the background population and an extremely serious thing. Even more disturbing is that there amongst transgenders living in states where intolerance is institutionalized is an 248% increase of anxiety disorders, 41.9% increase in alcohol abuse, 36.3% increase in psychiatric co-morbidities pre and post institutionalized amendments (and thus as intolerance increases). Source Lol you work in a psych ward? Oh my god I feel bad for them. You actually think you do any good in there? That's a laugh. First off, I rounded up. 45% suicide rate is close enough to 50%, you round up from 5. And if you can't live with the idea that your words can cause physical damage then maybe you should rethink your career decision. I'm not afraid to say that I've mutilated myself over this thread several times. Idc if I have to shame people into a way of thinking to make things better. I really don't care anymore, couldn't give a fuck. You people don't seem to have a problem reminding us about how fucking barren or fake we are so I get to pull cheap ass tricks too. Don't like it? Fuck off. If you really didn't care, you wouldn't continue posting in this thread and you wouldn't guilt trip everyone who sees differently than you. I said that I don't care about guilt tripping. Well let me tell you what, it isn't really working. Pathetic arguments are some of the weakest, and oftentimes simply further solidify the stance of the opposition as they second guess your appeals to emotion. If you are actually interested in changing the minds of others as opposed to simply trying to make people feel bad, you ought to take a note out of Lyerbeth or Raspberry's book. Couldn't care less. Just telling the truth, no matter how ugly it is. If it isn't working then that's pretty sad, you don't care if you hurt people? I'm not hurting anyone; you are.
Am I?
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The reason it isn’t working is because several people are stating their opinions with zero empathy, sympathy or just human compassion.
When someone’s belief is that you are a lie, that person is certainly more responsible to be careful with their words than a transgendered person is in acting in the imagined scenario that started this discussion, if we consider all the possible outcomes of trauma. But obviously, many of the same people advocating that side of the issue seem very indifferent to the actual hypothetical effects they are afraid could be caused by transgendered persons not disclosing their status.
When the pain is the underlying point of why the argument makes no sense, the pain is indeed a good point.
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On August 06 2013 05:42 fugs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 05:41 farvacola wrote:On August 06 2013 05:40 fugs wrote:On August 06 2013 05:34 farvacola wrote:On August 06 2013 05:30 fugs wrote:On August 06 2013 05:28 farvacola wrote:On August 06 2013 05:24 fugs wrote:On August 05 2013 17:28 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:58 Plansix wrote:On August 05 2013 09:49 Ghostcom wrote:
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Yes because what this thread needs is more pathos and less logos. Keep it up. What the reality of a 50% suside rate to much for you to deal with? The idea that your statements might do real harm is to real for you? No, this idiocy posting of yours and fugs is what is too much for me to deal with. I am going to call out bullshit posting no matter who presents it, or what viewpoint it is made to further. Randomly posting I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? in an attempt to shame those who disagree with you in an entirely different discussion is bullshit posting. But nice ad hominem with loads of substance behind it. Funnily enough I am checking this post whilst sitting in the closed psych ward after having just had a conversation in my capacity as an M.D. with a schizophrenic patient who is currently admitted on red papers due to an attempted suicide - the person is not trans, but I dare say that I after 1 shift have done more for suicidal people than you or fugs have done throughout your entire lives. I also thought it was quite obvious that whilst I personally would never date a transgender because getting kids are so important to me (I have also left cis women before because she didn't wish for kids). I do however treat them as the gender they identify as in any other aspect of my life. I am in this thread because some try and pass that as transphobic and I am in this thread because I am interested in the discussion - which gets dragged down into the mud with posting like what I just called fugs out on and then amplified by your moronic ad hominems for which I expect an apology. EDIT: Fixed some typos. Typing whilst infuriated seems to impact my accuracy. EDIT2: Also if you insist on shitposting you could at least have the decency to use accurate numbers. The suicide ATTEMPT rate is reported in the 40-45% range in almost all studies. The actual suicide rate is approximately 30% - not 50%. This is obviously still ridiculous compared to the background population and an extremely serious thing. Even more disturbing is that there amongst transgenders living in states where intolerance is institutionalized is an 248% increase of anxiety disorders, 41.9% increase in alcohol abuse, 36.3% increase in psychiatric co-morbidities pre and post institutionalized amendments (and thus as intolerance increases). Source Lol you work in a psych ward? Oh my god I feel bad for them. You actually think you do any good in there? That's a laugh. First off, I rounded up. 45% suicide rate is close enough to 50%, you round up from 5. And if you can't live with the idea that your words can cause physical damage then maybe you should rethink your career decision. I'm not afraid to say that I've mutilated myself over this thread several times. Idc if I have to shame people into a way of thinking to make things better. I really don't care anymore, couldn't give a fuck. You people don't seem to have a problem reminding us about how fucking barren or fake we are so I get to pull cheap ass tricks too. Don't like it? Fuck off. If you really didn't care, you wouldn't continue posting in this thread and you wouldn't guilt trip everyone who sees differently than you. I said that I don't care about guilt tripping. Well let me tell you what, it isn't really working. Pathetic arguments are some of the weakest, and oftentimes simply further solidify the stance of the opposition as they second guess your appeals to emotion. If you are actually interested in changing the minds of others as opposed to simply trying to make people feel bad, you ought to take a note out of Lyerbeth or Raspberry's book. Couldn't care less. Just telling the truth, no matter how ugly it is. If it isn't working then that's pretty sad, you don't care if you hurt people? I'm not hurting anyone; you are. Am I?
This is the question of the thread. I will tell you that attempting to play on peoples emotions can back fire and make it seem like you are trying to guilt them. The idea of "If your not 100% with me, your against me" form of debate does more harm than good if the party is on the fence or supportive on most of yoru point.
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On August 06 2013 05:50 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 05:42 fugs wrote:On August 06 2013 05:41 farvacola wrote:On August 06 2013 05:40 fugs wrote:On August 06 2013 05:34 farvacola wrote:On August 06 2013 05:30 fugs wrote:On August 06 2013 05:28 farvacola wrote:On August 06 2013 05:24 fugs wrote:On August 05 2013 17:28 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:58 Plansix wrote:
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What the reality of a 50% suside rate to much for you to deal with? The idea that your statements might do real harm is to real for you? No, this idiocy posting of yours and fugs is what is too much for me to deal with. I am going to call out bullshit posting no matter who presents it, or what viewpoint it is made to further. Randomly posting I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? in an attempt to shame those who disagree with you in an entirely different discussion is bullshit posting. But nice ad hominem with loads of substance behind it. Funnily enough I am checking this post whilst sitting in the closed psych ward after having just had a conversation in my capacity as an M.D. with a schizophrenic patient who is currently admitted on red papers due to an attempted suicide - the person is not trans, but I dare say that I after 1 shift have done more for suicidal people than you or fugs have done throughout your entire lives. I also thought it was quite obvious that whilst I personally would never date a transgender because getting kids are so important to me (I have also left cis women before because she didn't wish for kids). I do however treat them as the gender they identify as in any other aspect of my life. I am in this thread because some try and pass that as transphobic and I am in this thread because I am interested in the discussion - which gets dragged down into the mud with posting like what I just called fugs out on and then amplified by your moronic ad hominems for which I expect an apology. EDIT: Fixed some typos. Typing whilst infuriated seems to impact my accuracy. EDIT2: Also if you insist on shitposting you could at least have the decency to use accurate numbers. The suicide ATTEMPT rate is reported in the 40-45% range in almost all studies. The actual suicide rate is approximately 30% - not 50%. This is obviously still ridiculous compared to the background population and an extremely serious thing. Even more disturbing is that there amongst transgenders living in states where intolerance is institutionalized is an 248% increase of anxiety disorders, 41.9% increase in alcohol abuse, 36.3% increase in psychiatric co-morbidities pre and post institutionalized amendments (and thus as intolerance increases). Source Lol you work in a psych ward? Oh my god I feel bad for them. You actually think you do any good in there? That's a laugh. First off, I rounded up. 45% suicide rate is close enough to 50%, you round up from 5. And if you can't live with the idea that your words can cause physical damage then maybe you should rethink your career decision. I'm not afraid to say that I've mutilated myself over this thread several times. Idc if I have to shame people into a way of thinking to make things better. I really don't care anymore, couldn't give a fuck. You people don't seem to have a problem reminding us about how fucking barren or fake we are so I get to pull cheap ass tricks too. Don't like it? Fuck off. If you really didn't care, you wouldn't continue posting in this thread and you wouldn't guilt trip everyone who sees differently than you. I said that I don't care about guilt tripping. Well let me tell you what, it isn't really working. Pathetic arguments are some of the weakest, and oftentimes simply further solidify the stance of the opposition as they second guess your appeals to emotion. If you are actually interested in changing the minds of others as opposed to simply trying to make people feel bad, you ought to take a note out of Lyerbeth or Raspberry's book. Couldn't care less. Just telling the truth, no matter how ugly it is. If it isn't working then that's pretty sad, you don't care if you hurt people? I'm not hurting anyone; you are. Am I? This is the question of the thread. I will tell you that attempting to play on peoples emotions can back fire and make it seem like you are trying to guilt them. The idea of "If your not 100% with me, your against me" form of debate does more harm than good if the party is on the fence or supportive on most of yoru point.
Lol if they don't have a problem with the idea that their words can have a physical impact on people then they have more problems than being transphobic and I have no hope of changing their opinion in the first place.
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On August 06 2013 05:48 Zaragon wrote:
The reason it isn’t working is because several people are stating their opinions with zero empathy, sympathy or just human compassion.
When someone’s belief is that you are a lie, that person is certainly more responsible to be careful with their words than a transgendered person is in acting in the imagined scenario that started this discussion, if we consider all the possible outcomes of trauma. But obviously, many of the same people advocating that side of the issue seem very indifferent to the actual hypothetical effects they are afraid could be caused by transgendered persons not disclosing their status.
When the pain is the underlying point of why the argument makes no sense, the pain is indeed a good point.
Plansix hit on it nicely; not everyone who is unsure of these things considers trans folk "a lie" nor are they devoid of sympathy or empathy. To argue exclusively from that vantage point and to accordingly pile on guilt does the entire dialogue a great disservice.
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On August 06 2013 05:24 fugs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2013 17:28 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:58 Plansix wrote:On August 05 2013 09:49 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:34 fugs wrote:On August 05 2013 09:32 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:29 fugs wrote:
I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? Outstanding argumentation you got going on there. Oh yeah, hard to argue with death. Yes because what this thread needs is more pathos and less logos. Keep it up. What the reality of a 50% suside rate to much for you to deal with? The idea that your statements might do real harm is to real for you? No, this idiocy posting of yours and fugs is what is too much for me to deal with. I am going to call out bullshit posting no matter who presents it, or what viewpoint it is made to further. Randomly posting I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? in an attempt to shame those who disagree with you in an entirely different discussion is bullshit posting. But nice ad hominem with loads of substance behind it. Funnily enough I am checking this post whilst sitting in the closed psych ward after having just had a conversation in my capacity as an M.D. with a schizophrenic patient who is currently admitted on red papers due to an attempted suicide - the person is not trans, but I dare say that I after 1 shift have done more for suicidal people than you or fugs have done throughout your entire lives. I also thought it was quite obvious that whilst I personally would never date a transgender because getting kids are so important to me (I have also left cis women before because she didn't wish for kids). I do however treat them as the gender they identify as in any other aspect of my life. I am in this thread because some try and pass that as transphobic and I am in this thread because I am interested in the discussion - which gets dragged down into the mud with posting like what I just called fugs out on and then amplified by your moronic ad hominems for which I expect an apology. EDIT: Fixed some typos. Typing whilst infuriated seems to impact my accuracy. EDIT2: Also if you insist on shitposting you could at least have the decency to use accurate numbers. The suicide ATTEMPT rate is reported in the 40-45% range in almost all studies. The actual suicide rate is approximately 30% - not 50%. This is obviously still ridiculous compared to the background population and an extremely serious thing. Even more disturbing is that there amongst transgenders living in states where intolerance is institutionalized is an 248% increase of anxiety disorders, 41.9% increase in alcohol abuse, 36.3% increase in psychiatric co-morbidities pre and post institutionalized amendments (and thus as intolerance increases). Source Lol you work in a psych ward? Oh my god I feel bad for them. You actually think you do any good in there? That's a laugh. First off, I rounded up. 45% suicide rate is close enough to 50%, you round up from 5. And if you can't live with the idea that your words can cause physical damage then maybe you should rethink your career decision. I'm not afraid to say that I've mutilated myself over this thread several times. Idc if I have to shame people into a way of thinking to make things better. I really don't care anymore, couldn't give a fuck. You people don't seem to have a problem reminding us about how fucking barren or fake we are so I get to pull cheap ass tricks too. Don't like it? Fuck off.
Considering the thank you letters I get, I am pretty sure I do something good.
Secondly, the suicide rate is not 50% - it is 30%. Even if you insist on rounding up what you are using is the ATTEMPTED suicide rate - which is a different measure. When you don't have any rational arguments and only got petty guilt tripping you could at least attempt to cover up your shitposting by getting the numbers right.
I am sorry to hear that you have mutiliated yourself over this thread several times, however that is not my fault (or anyone else's who have disagreed with you). That is you being mentally unstable and you should probably stay away from threads where an open discussion about issues that aggravates you will be had.
Your shitposting yields the direct opposite result of what you want it to. It ruins the open discussion which is really the only reasonable way of changing peoples opinions and you continue to do so. If you don't want to participate in the discussion and can't accept different opinions to the point where you self-mutilate then I really think you are the one who should stay away. You got issues.
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On August 06 2013 06:01 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 05:24 fugs wrote:On August 05 2013 17:28 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:58 Plansix wrote:On August 05 2013 09:49 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:34 fugs wrote:On August 05 2013 09:32 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:29 fugs wrote:
I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? Outstanding argumentation you got going on there. Oh yeah, hard to argue with death. Yes because what this thread needs is more pathos and less logos. Keep it up. What the reality of a 50% suside rate to much for you to deal with? The idea that your statements might do real harm is to real for you? No, this idiocy posting of yours and fugs is what is too much for me to deal with. I am going to call out bullshit posting no matter who presents it, or what viewpoint it is made to further. Randomly posting I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? in an attempt to shame those who disagree with you in an entirely different discussion is bullshit posting. But nice ad hominem with loads of substance behind it. Funnily enough I am checking this post whilst sitting in the closed psych ward after having just had a conversation in my capacity as an M.D. with a schizophrenic patient who is currently admitted on red papers due to an attempted suicide - the person is not trans, but I dare say that I after 1 shift have done more for suicidal people than you or fugs have done throughout your entire lives. I also thought it was quite obvious that whilst I personally would never date a transgender because getting kids are so important to me (I have also left cis women before because she didn't wish for kids). I do however treat them as the gender they identify as in any other aspect of my life. I am in this thread because some try and pass that as transphobic and I am in this thread because I am interested in the discussion - which gets dragged down into the mud with posting like what I just called fugs out on and then amplified by your moronic ad hominems for which I expect an apology. EDIT: Fixed some typos. Typing whilst infuriated seems to impact my accuracy. EDIT2: Also if you insist on shitposting you could at least have the decency to use accurate numbers. The suicide ATTEMPT rate is reported in the 40-45% range in almost all studies. The actual suicide rate is approximately 30% - not 50%. This is obviously still ridiculous compared to the background population and an extremely serious thing. Even more disturbing is that there amongst transgenders living in states where intolerance is institutionalized is an 248% increase of anxiety disorders, 41.9% increase in alcohol abuse, 36.3% increase in psychiatric co-morbidities pre and post institutionalized amendments (and thus as intolerance increases). Source Lol you work in a psych ward? Oh my god I feel bad for them. You actually think you do any good in there? That's a laugh. First off, I rounded up. 45% suicide rate is close enough to 50%, you round up from 5. And if you can't live with the idea that your words can cause physical damage then maybe you should rethink your career decision. I'm not afraid to say that I've mutilated myself over this thread several times. Idc if I have to shame people into a way of thinking to make things better. I really don't care anymore, couldn't give a fuck. You people don't seem to have a problem reminding us about how fucking barren or fake we are so I get to pull cheap ass tricks too. Don't like it? Fuck off. Considering the thank you letters I get, I am pretty sure I do something good. Secondly, the suicide rate is not 50% - it is 30%. Even if you insist on rounding up what you are using is the ATTEMPTED suicide rate - which is a different measure. When you don't have any rational arguments and only got petty guilt tripping you could at least attempt to cover up your shitposting by getting the numbers right. I am sorry to hear that you have mutiliated yourself over this thread several times, however that is not my fault (or anyone else's who have disagreed with you). That is you being mentally unstable and you should probably stay away from threads where an open discussion about issues that aggravates you will be had. Your shitposting yields the direct opposite result of what you want it to. It ruins the open discussion which is really the only reasonable way of changing peoples opinions and you continue to do so. If you don't want to participate in the discussion and can't accept different opinions to the point where you self-mutilate then I really think you are the one who should stay away. You got issues.
Why I do have issues, thank you for noticing >,<
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On August 06 2013 05:48 Zaragon wrote:
The reason it isn’t working is because several people are stating their opinions with zero empathy, sympathy or just human compassion.
When someone’s belief is that you are a lie, that person is certainly more responsible to be careful with their words than a transgendered person is in acting in the imagined scenario that started this discussion, if we consider all the possible outcomes of trauma. But obviously, many of the same people advocating that side of the issue seem very indifferent to the actual hypothetical effects they are afraid could be caused by transgendered persons not disclosing their status.
When the pain is the underlying point of why the argument makes no sense, the pain is indeed a good point.
That is called having an open discussion. You generally leave the emotions at the door as those are subjective and not really useful for changing opinions, because no persons emotions are really any more valuable than another persons emotions. The emotions of those who did not wish to sleep with a transgendered has been constantly stomped upon in this thread with the perpetual and perverse namecalling, so don't pretend like this is a one-way street.
On August 06 2013 06:02 fugs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 06:01 Ghostcom wrote:On August 06 2013 05:24 fugs wrote:On August 05 2013 17:28 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:58 Plansix wrote:On August 05 2013 09:49 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:34 fugs wrote:On August 05 2013 09:32 Ghostcom wrote:On August 05 2013 09:29 fugs wrote:
I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? Outstanding argumentation you got going on there. Oh yeah, hard to argue with death. Yes because what this thread needs is more pathos and less logos. Keep it up. What the reality of a 50% suside rate to much for you to deal with? The idea that your statements might do real harm is to real for you? No, this idiocy posting of yours and fugs is what is too much for me to deal with. I am going to call out bullshit posting no matter who presents it, or what viewpoint it is made to further. Randomly posting I wonder if people still question the validity of that 50% suicide rate ratio for trans people. Yeah keep fighting over their identity you're doing the world a favor after all, right? in an attempt to shame those who disagree with you in an entirely different discussion is bullshit posting. But nice ad hominem with loads of substance behind it. Funnily enough I am checking this post whilst sitting in the closed psych ward after having just had a conversation in my capacity as an M.D. with a schizophrenic patient who is currently admitted on red papers due to an attempted suicide - the person is not trans, but I dare say that I after 1 shift have done more for suicidal people than you or fugs have done throughout your entire lives. I also thought it was quite obvious that whilst I personally would never date a transgender because getting kids are so important to me (I have also left cis women before because she didn't wish for kids). I do however treat them as the gender they identify as in any other aspect of my life. I am in this thread because some try and pass that as transphobic and I am in this thread because I am interested in the discussion - which gets dragged down into the mud with posting like what I just called fugs out on and then amplified by your moronic ad hominems for which I expect an apology. EDIT: Fixed some typos. Typing whilst infuriated seems to impact my accuracy. EDIT2: Also if you insist on shitposting you could at least have the decency to use accurate numbers. The suicide ATTEMPT rate is reported in the 40-45% range in almost all studies. The actual suicide rate is approximately 30% - not 50%. This is obviously still ridiculous compared to the background population and an extremely serious thing. Even more disturbing is that there amongst transgenders living in states where intolerance is institutionalized is an 248% increase of anxiety disorders, 41.9% increase in alcohol abuse, 36.3% increase in psychiatric co-morbidities pre and post institutionalized amendments (and thus as intolerance increases). Source Lol you work in a psych ward? Oh my god I feel bad for them. You actually think you do any good in there? That's a laugh. First off, I rounded up. 45% suicide rate is close enough to 50%, you round up from 5. And if you can't live with the idea that your words can cause physical damage then maybe you should rethink your career decision. I'm not afraid to say that I've mutilated myself over this thread several times. Idc if I have to shame people into a way of thinking to make things better. I really don't care anymore, couldn't give a fuck. You people don't seem to have a problem reminding us about how fucking barren or fake we are so I get to pull cheap ass tricks too. Don't like it? Fuck off. Considering the thank you letters I get, I am pretty sure I do something good. Secondly, the suicide rate is not 50% - it is 30%. Even if you insist on rounding up what you are using is the ATTEMPTED suicide rate - which is a different measure. When you don't have any rational arguments and only got petty guilt tripping you could at least attempt to cover up your shitposting by getting the numbers right. I am sorry to hear that you have mutiliated yourself over this thread several times, however that is not my fault (or anyone else's who have disagreed with you). That is you being mentally unstable and you should probably stay away from threads where an open discussion about issues that aggravates you will be had. Your shitposting yields the direct opposite result of what you want it to. It ruins the open discussion which is really the only reasonable way of changing peoples opinions and you continue to do so. If you don't want to participate in the discussion and can't accept different opinions to the point where you self-mutilate then I really think you are the one who should stay away. You got issues. Why I do have issues, thank you for noticing >,<
Admitting it is the first step I guess.... Now if only you would work on fixing them rather than making them mine or anyone else's responsibility by attempting to guilt trip us and spoiling an open and honest discussion.
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Yes, farvacola's response is very true. And yet, the only point of friction and pain that keeps looping is a careless word like a knife here or there, a lack of an understanding word like foundation there, undercutting all of the reason that points could have had, or any constructive exchange there could have been. I feel like people are forgetting the unimaginable depths of pain that form the foundation of the entire discussion, and heatedly arguing logic--with emotion, without empathic emotion. Forgetting so many vital things.
And no, not a one way street, but from reading it on the sidelines I am starting to feel it's time to advise care and empathy above all else, because that is what can make this discussion healthy again.
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