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Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
November 21 2011 16:54 GMT
#2421
I was thinking about possibilities on how to do it on a forum. I want to do it casual without time limit, because first of all it's casual and more people could join and second of all it's closer to the original idea of a simultaneous event where one dude walks around without any clocks.

Of course we should somehow figure out how to tell people that the dude is at their table for it to make sense. Depending on the number of people one way could be saying - okay you have t amount of minutes after I make my move plus you can ask for 3 timeouts when you won't need to move in that round should you need more time to analyze.

I don't know. I kind of feel bad because this came up to me too late, it would be more fun with more advertising and more people could or possibly would join.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
November 21 2011 17:07 GMT
#2422
On November 22 2011 01:54 Ng5 wrote:
I was thinking about possibilities on how to do it on a forum. I want to do it casual without time limit, because first of all it's casual and more people could join and second of all it's closer to the original idea of a simultaneous event where one dude walks around without any clocks.

Of course we should somehow figure out how to tell people that the dude is at their table for it to make sense. Depending on the number of people one way could be saying - okay you have t amount of minutes after I make my move plus you can ask for 3 timeouts when you won't need to move in that round should you need more time to analyze.

I don't know. I kind of feel bad because this came up to me too late, it would be more fun with more advertising and more people could or possibly would join.
I'm not sure what you have in mind here: first you agree that you want to do it "without time limit" but then you talk about "t amount of minutes".

What I had in mind was pretty simple: you simply start as many games as you feel you're up to playing at once/you have takers for. Each game has its own thread, and a move happens whenever someone makes one. You know to check back for a move when you see that one of your opponents has made a new post in that game's thread, and, likewise, he knows that you've made a move when he sees your post in the thread. If there's no time limit, nobody has to worry about when "the dude is at their table".
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
November 21 2011 17:16 GMT
#2423
I don't know if they would allow individual threads for games between two people. It would probably have to be in one thread.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
November 21 2011 17:19 GMT
#2424
On November 22 2011 02:16 liberal wrote:
I don't know if they would allow individual threads for games between two people.
That's what the blogs forum is for.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
November 21 2011 18:01 GMT
#2425
What I meant is even if there's no time limit per se in real life you have to move when the simul giver gets to your table.

No there's no real chance to simulate that. So in theory there's no limit, but in practice there is and we have to simulate that somehow, even if by not a constantly running clock.

Imposing no time limit whatsoever might make it very tedious. I'm just thinking of possibilities that's all.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
November 21 2011 19:42 GMT
#2426
qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
liberal wrote:
I don't know if they would allow individual threads for games between two people.
That's what the blogs forum is for.


I think they would make an exception for a bigger event and just close them down right when it's over and we could just link to the different games after it's all done.

I wonder if there's enough time till Saturday to get people or should I just push it out to a later time.

I might just give another longer streaming session with 8-12 hours this time or I don't know.

We could make the simultan be 960 random as well to spice it up.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 14:42:03
November 22 2011 14:40 GMT
#2427
For whatever reason, interest in this game seems to have entirely dried up. I'm still plugging away at analyzing, but I seem to be the only one left. Even if I were a better chess player than I am, "two are [qualitatively] better than one", as the Collector says, because each can correct the other's mistakes, or point out the things he's missed.

Howsobeit, if anyone is interested in analyzing this game--and in particular if you like endgames--check out this position, please. It's an endgame that we might be heading into. It doesn't look quite as favorable for us as I'd have hoped, but at least we still have our extra pawns, for the moment. We may not have a good way to avoid it, so it's quite important to have an idea of what our chances are in this endgame.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
November 22 2011 22:15 GMT
#2428
On November 22 2011 23:40 qrs wrote:
For whatever reason, interest in this game seems to have entirely dried up. I'm still plugging away at analyzing, but I seem to be the only one left. Even if I were a better chess player than I am, "two are [qualitatively] better than one", as the Collector says, because each can correct the other's mistakes, or point out the things he's missed.

Howsobeit, if anyone is interested in analyzing this game--and in particular if you like endgames--check out this position, please. It's an endgame that we might be heading into. It doesn't look quite as favorable for us as I'd have hoped, but at least we still have our extra pawns, for the moment. We may not have a good way to avoid it, so it's quite important to have an idea of what our chances are in this endgame.


I'd like to start :o. Is there any chess program out there that I can use to create my own board positions? Right now I'm stuck just writing on paper or staring at the pictures given to me x-x
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GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
November 22 2011 22:18 GMT
#2429
On November 22 2011 01:54 Ng5 wrote:
I was thinking about possibilities on how to do it on a forum. I want to do it casual without time limit, because first of all it's casual and more people could join and second of all it's closer to the original idea of a simultaneous event where one dude walks around without any clocks.

Of course we should somehow figure out how to tell people that the dude is at their table for it to make sense. Depending on the number of people one way could be saying - okay you have t amount of minutes after I make my move plus you can ask for 3 timeouts when you won't need to move in that round should you need more time to analyze.

I don't know. I kind of feel bad because this came up to me too late, it would be more fun with more advertising and more people could or possibly would join.


Can you make two threads playing the same game, each playing a different color? (Eg, one thread plays black, one plays white). Discussion for moves goes in their respective forums. Divvying up the teams would be a problem though...
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qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
November 22 2011 23:43 GMT
#2430
On November 23 2011 07:15 GenesisX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 23:40 qrs wrote:
For whatever reason, interest in this game seems to have entirely dried up. I'm still plugging away at analyzing, but I seem to be the only one left. Even if I were a better chess player than I am, "two are [qualitatively] better than one", as the Collector says, because each can correct the other's mistakes, or point out the things he's missed.

Howsobeit, if anyone is interested in analyzing this game--and in particular if you like endgames--check out this position, please. It's an endgame that we might be heading into. It doesn't look quite as favorable for us as I'd have hoped, but at least we still have our extra pawns, for the moment. We may not have a good way to avoid it, so it's quite important to have an idea of what our chances are in this endgame.


I'd like to start :o. Is there any chess program out there that I can use to create my own board positions? Right now I'm stuck just writing on paper or staring at the pictures given to me x-x
If you click on the link I gave, the first post gives the position as a link labeled "Position in PGN viewer". If you click on that link, it takes you to the position in an online PGN viewer/editor, which is basically what you're looking for.

Here's a different endgame that the game could reach, although if it's as good for us as it seems at first glance, Ng5 will probably steer clear of it.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
November 23 2011 00:59 GMT
#2431
I will clean up everything and make my move tomorrow.

I still need to go over something, but I got an unforeseen extra assignment for tomorrow morning.
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
November 23 2011 02:23 GMT
#2432
On November 23 2011 08:43 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2011 07:15 GenesisX wrote:
On November 22 2011 23:40 qrs wrote:
For whatever reason, interest in this game seems to have entirely dried up. I'm still plugging away at analyzing, but I seem to be the only one left. Even if I were a better chess player than I am, "two are [qualitatively] better than one", as the Collector says, because each can correct the other's mistakes, or point out the things he's missed.

Howsobeit, if anyone is interested in analyzing this game--and in particular if you like endgames--check out this position, please. It's an endgame that we might be heading into. It doesn't look quite as favorable for us as I'd have hoped, but at least we still have our extra pawns, for the moment. We may not have a good way to avoid it, so it's quite important to have an idea of what our chances are in this endgame.


I'd like to start :o. Is there any chess program out there that I can use to create my own board positions? Right now I'm stuck just writing on paper or staring at the pictures given to me x-x
If you click on the link I gave, the first post gives the position as a link labeled "Position in PGN viewer". If you click on that link, it takes you to the position in an online PGN viewer/editor, which is basically what you're looking for.

Here's a different endgame that the game could reach, although if it's as good for us as it seems at first glance, Ng5 will probably steer clear of it.


Oh its actually not as hard to use as I thought :o
Sweet :p
+ Show Spoiler +
testing
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qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-23 02:50:22
November 23 2011 02:49 GMT
#2433
On November 23 2011 08:43 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2011 07:15 GenesisX wrote:
On November 22 2011 23:40 qrs wrote:
For whatever reason, interest in this game seems to have entirely dried up. I'm still plugging away at analyzing, but I seem to be the only one left. Even if I were a better chess player than I am, "two are [qualitatively] better than one", as the Collector says, because each can correct the other's mistakes, or point out the things he's missed.

Howsobeit, if anyone is interested in analyzing this game--and in particular if you like endgames--check out this position, please. It's an endgame that we might be heading into. It doesn't look quite as favorable for us as I'd have hoped, but at least we still have our extra pawns, for the moment. We may not have a good way to avoid it, so it's quite important to have an idea of what our chances are in this endgame.


I'd like to start :o. Is there any chess program out there that I can use to create my own board positions? Right now I'm stuck just writing on paper or staring at the pictures given to me x-x
If you click on the link I gave, the first post gives the position as a link labeled "Position in PGN viewer". If you click on that link, it takes you to the position in an online PGN viewer/editor, which is basically what you're looking for.

Here's a different endgame that the game could reach, although if it's as good for us as it seems at first glance, Ng5 will probably steer clear of it.
By the way, you can just ignore the second endgame, everyone. I did a bit more analysis, and I'm fairly sure that Ng5 has better options.

The first endgame that I linked remains a critical position, in my opinion.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
November 23 2011 04:44 GMT
#2434
On November 23 2011 11:49 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2011 08:43 qrs wrote:
On November 23 2011 07:15 GenesisX wrote:
On November 22 2011 23:40 qrs wrote:
For whatever reason, interest in this game seems to have entirely dried up. I'm still plugging away at analyzing, but I seem to be the only one left. Even if I were a better chess player than I am, "two are [qualitatively] better than one", as the Collector says, because each can correct the other's mistakes, or point out the things he's missed.

Howsobeit, if anyone is interested in analyzing this game--and in particular if you like endgames--check out this position, please. It's an endgame that we might be heading into. It doesn't look quite as favorable for us as I'd have hoped, but at least we still have our extra pawns, for the moment. We may not have a good way to avoid it, so it's quite important to have an idea of what our chances are in this endgame.


I'd like to start :o. Is there any chess program out there that I can use to create my own board positions? Right now I'm stuck just writing on paper or staring at the pictures given to me x-x
If you click on the link I gave, the first post gives the position as a link labeled "Position in PGN viewer". If you click on that link, it takes you to the position in an online PGN viewer/editor, which is basically what you're looking for.

Here's a different endgame that the game could reach, although if it's as good for us as it seems at first glance, Ng5 will probably steer clear of it.
By the way, you can just ignore the second endgame, everyone. I did a bit more analysis, and I'm fairly sure that Ng5 has better options.

The first endgame that I linked remains a critical position, in my opinion.


Thats a good position to be in :o 2 pawn advantage and NB v BB
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EnderSword
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada669 Posts
November 23 2011 05:33 GMT
#2435
I think I like the Rc1

It's a little more active, doesn't require him to really consent to trading off as much
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loginn
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France815 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 19:44:04
November 23 2011 23:27 GMT
#2436
In my opinion the best move is Bxc7

Gives you a free pawn while not giving the defence away.

EDIT : I missed something on the board. And typo
Stephano, Taking skill to the bank since IPL3. Also Lucifron and FBH
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
November 24 2011 02:25 GMT
#2437
Hm. According to my counting Nd2 was winning even without Bill...

Anyway let me clear up things. Sadly I will delete people from the active list who haven't made a single move for the past three-four turns.

Gonna post the move soon.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
November 24 2011 02:37 GMT
#2438
Move made.

Round 24 starts right here and now.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
November 24 2011 02:45 GMT
#2439
I'll give you a little spoiler of my thoughts. I'll spoiler it so you can avoid it if you'd prefer to.

+ Show Spoiler +

You guys sound so concerned about losing a tempo with Nd2, but that's what has been happening. Bf4-Re3 and the knight moving back and forth between f3 and d2. When in the end the rook got exchanged and if you decide to take back with bishop it will still end up on e3.
At the same time black's light squared bishop ended up on the best possible diagonal for now, the dark one is blocking your only occupied open file, and the two rooks miraculously ended up on the same open diagonal - where one will stay even after the exchange.
I don't think Nd2 was the largest concern here in sense of losing time...
Black hasn't made a single pawn move since a5, just advanced the heavier pieces to good squares.
Can you tell that white's pieces are at their proper place could be one very important and sensible question here.
chesshaha
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1117 Posts
November 24 2011 03:28 GMT
#2440
On November 24 2011 11:45 Ng5 wrote:
I'll give you a little spoiler of my thoughts. I'll spoiler it so you can avoid it if you'd prefer to.

+ Show Spoiler +

You guys sound so concerned about losing a tempo with Nd2, but that's what has been happening. Bf4-Re3 and the knight moving back and forth between f3 and d2. When in the end the rook got exchanged and if you decide to take back with bishop it will still end up on e3.
At the same time black's light squared bishop ended up on the best possible diagonal for now, the dark one is blocking your only occupied open file, and the two rooks miraculously ended up on the same open diagonal - where one will stay even after the exchange.
I don't think Nd2 was the largest concern here in sense of losing time...
Black hasn't made a single pawn move since a5, just advanced the heavier pieces to good squares.
Can you tell that white's pieces are at their proper place could be one very important and sensible question here.


I thought Bxc7 was a good move, idk, I guess it doesn't matter now. I was busy with MLG weekend.

So for the next move. + Show Spoiler +
I think fxe is better than Bxe3, but I still need to think it over.
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