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chesshaha
United States1117 Posts
On January 29 2012 07:19 Ng5 wrote: I will finish this one properly. Thank you. I just want to say I appreciate all your hard work you done with TL chess. You might say good bye to TL in the near future, but it is your decision and I respect that. | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
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Ng5
702 Posts
Voting is over for now. Next few moves might be a little late. Getting busy. | ||
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Ng5
702 Posts
Round. Hehe. I'll miss writing the big red text for sure. | ||
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Ng5
702 Posts
chesshaha wrote: Thank you. I just want to say I appreciate all your hard work you done with TL chess. You might say good bye to TL in the near future, but it is your decision and I respect that. Thanks. It's nice of you to say so. It's been a lot of fun and I won't have bad feelings when I leave - I usually don't do. I think the good memories are far outweighting everything else. I will let you guys know if I ever make a new chess stream. It feels unlikely for a while, though. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
32. Rh8+ | ||
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zasta
United Kingdom99 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I don't like the idea of playing knight and bishop vs the bishop pairs so I was trying 32. Nb3 to which the most likely response seems: 32...Bf2+ + Show Spoiler + 32... Bf2+ gives us two choices: 33. Kf1 or Kd1 + Show Spoiler + Kf1loses: 33. Kf1 d2+ (discovered from white bishop) 34. Kxf2 d1Q+ promotes with check and g.g. therefore 33. Kd1 Then, for example: 33. ...Rb2 34. Nd2 After this I don't know. My first thoughts were Bb7 or Bc8. I think we come out well from either: + Show Spoiler + 34... Bc8 with the idea of Bg4+ I think is good for us: 35. Rh8+ Kd7 36. Ne4 to apply pressure to the centre and the idea of swapping knight for bishop gives a favourable end game I think so 34...Bb7 Which could lead to: + Show Spoiler + Bc7+ is a no go because removing the d5 pawn opens Bc6 e.g. 35. Bc7+ Kc8 or Ke8 either of which are horrible: 36. d6 Bc6 with the threat to Ba4 + Show Spoiler + 35. Nc4 has no real plan or threat and both the d and g pawns still underfire 35. Rh8+ ke7 + Show Spoiler + 35. Kd7 loses: 36. Rb8 pins the bishop to the rook. 36. ...Rb5 to avoid 37. a6 37. Nc4 threatening Nb6 check, splitting the bishop and rook and giving us a very strong push for our d pawn. 37. ... Ba6 38. Nb6+ Ke7 39. d6+ wins. 36. Rb8 pins the bishop to the rook. 36. ...Rb5 to avoid 37. a6 although could play ...Rb4 and force a trade of bishops. I'm neutral on the idea but I think it's good for us. 37. Nc4 Ba6 I'm afraid that's as far as I can get right now, have to leave but I think the position is favourable for us. We can force a rook trade if we like and go back against paired bishops but at least it's in our control. Please let me know if I've missed anything! Perhaps there's a better black move on 33. that I've missed, in which case I just wasted two hours of my life again.  32. Nb3 | ||
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garbanzo
United States4046 Posts
Ng5 was just temp banned for 30 days by ToKoreaWithLove. That account was created on 2009-12-20 06:11:58 and had 697 posts. Reason: So after you acted like a spoiled kid and everyone took a lot of time to help you you chose this response? Take a break. This can't bode well for the game. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On February 01 2012 22:18 zasta wrote: I went back to have another look at 32. Nb3 before reading your post, adding the next couple of branches to that line on the tree. After reading your line, I added a couple more: through your move 33.... At that point, I ceased reading your line, because it seemed to me that Black had an alternate choice after our move 33. that came close to refuting 32. Nb3 altogether. However, after a closer look at that move, I realized that we had a move in that situation that might allow us to hold our position together and keep our advantage after all.This is complicated! I've given it a go qrs: + Show Spoiler + I don't like the idea of playing knight and bishop vs the bishop pairs so I was trying 32. Nb3 to which the most likely response seems: 32...Bf2+ + Show Spoiler + 32... Bf2+ gives us two choices: 33. Kf1 or Kd1 + Show Spoiler + Kf1loses: 33. Kf1 d2+ (discovered from white bishop) 34. Kxf2 d1Q+ promotes with check and g.g. therefore 33. Kd1 Then, for example: 33. ...Rb2 34. Nd2 After this I don't know. My first thoughts were Bb7 or Bc8. I think we come out well from either: + Show Spoiler + 34... Bc8 with the idea of Bg4+ I think is good for us: 35. Rh8+ Kd7 36. Ne4 to apply pressure to the centre and the idea of swapping knight for bishop gives a favourable end game I think so 34...Bb7 Which could lead to: + Show Spoiler + Bc7+ is a no go because removing the d5 pawn opens Bc6 e.g. 35. Bc7+ Kc8 or Ke8 either of which are horrible: 36. d6 Bc6 with the threat to Ba4 + Show Spoiler + 35. Nc4 has no real plan or threat and both the d and g pawns still underfire 35. Rh8+ ke7 + Show Spoiler + 35. Kd7 loses: 36. Rb8 pins the bishop to the rook. 36. ...Rb5 to avoid 37. a6 37. Nc4 threatening Nb6 check, splitting the bishop and rook and giving us a very strong push for our d pawn. 37. ... Ba6 38. Nb6+ Ke7 39. d6+ wins. 36. Rb8 pins the bishop to the rook. 36. ...Rb5 to avoid 37. a6 although could play ...Rb4 and force a trade of bishops. I'm neutral on the idea but I think it's good for us. 37. Nc4 Ba6 I'm afraid that's as far as I can get right now, have to leave but I think the position is favourable for us. We can force a rook trade if we like and go back against paired bishops but at least it's in our control. Please let me know if I've missed anything! Perhaps there's a better black move on 33. that I've missed, in which case I just wasted two hours of my life again. 32. Nb3 I'm out of time for analysis now, but I'll have to revisit your line to check out the rest of it; also there's at least one more branch Black can take at move 33 that I think is worth looking at, as well as one he can take at move 32 that might be worth looking at as well. In sum: so far, 32. Nb3 seems possibly viable for us, but I'd like to check it out further, and also to examine the case for playing it over 32. Rh8+, which also seems viable. In that regard, I'm not yet convinced by your point about the minor piece endgame that you'd like to see, because so far I don't see 32. Nb3 forcing such an endgame any more than 32. Rh8+ does. Definitely food for thought, though; thanks for your analysis! I think I'll withdraw my vote from 32. Rh8+ for the moment, pending further consideration of the two options. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On February 02 2012 01:05 garbanzo wrote: Hmm...Hmmm.... This can't bode well for the game. | ||
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liberal
1116 Posts
On February 02 2012 01:48 qrs wrote: Hmm... Hmmm is right... I think this means.... WE WIN! VICTORY!!! | ||
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zasta
United Kingdom99 Posts
On February 02 2012 01:46 qrs wrote: I went back to have another look at 32. Nb3 before reading your post, adding the next couple of branches to that line on the tree. After reading your line, I added a couple more: through your move 33.... At that point, I ceased reading your line, because it seemed to me that Black had an alternate choice after our move 33. that came close to refuting 32. Nb3 altogether. However, after a closer look at that move, I realized that we had a move in that situation that might allow us to hold our position together and keep our advantage after all. I'm out of time for analysis now, but I'll have to revisit your line to check out the rest of it; also there's at least one more branch Black can take at move 33 that I think is worth looking at, as well as one he can take at move 32 that might be worth looking at as well. In sum: so far, 32. Nb3 seems possibly viable for us, but I'd like to check it out further, and also to examine the case for playing it over 32. Rh8+, which also seems viable. In that regard, I'm not yet convinced by your point about the minor piece endgame that you'd like to see, because so far I don't see 32. Nb3 forcing such an endgame any more than 32. Rh8+ does. Definitely food for thought, though; thanks for your analysis! I think I'll withdraw my vote from 32. Rh8+ for the moment, pending further consideration of the two options. So I haven't yet looked at 33. ...Bb5, but here's how I'd play the line 33. ...Bc4 34. Nc1 Then there are several options but: + Show Spoiler + 34. ...Rxa5 loses the rook to Bc7+ + Show Spoiler + 34. ...Ra1 is fine because we can play 35. Kd2 threatening to take the d pawn so more likely either 34...Rb2 or Rc2 + Show Spoiler + if 34. ...Rb2 My first thought was 35. Rh3 trying to win the pawn but that leads to stale mate or loses: + Show Spoiler + 35. ...Rb1 36. Kd2 Rb2 37. Kc3 (37. Kd1 Rb1 would be stalemate.): + Show Spoiler + 37. ...Rc2 38. Kb4 (forced) Be1+ ! wins easily forcing us to trade a piece for the pawn and there's probably a mate in there anyway. So I'm not really sure what our best move would be or of any plan, perhaps 35. d6. :S this line looks tricky although perhaps viable if someone else can see the right moves. + Show Spoiler + if 34. ...Rc2 35. Rh3 threatening the pawn: 35. ...Rc3 36. Bd2 Ra3 37. Bb4 Ra4 (or Ra1) + Show Spoiler + 38. Bd6 Ra1 (if Kb7 then a chase where we could ultimately capture the f pawn? Or win the long diagonal) 39. Kd2 aiming for the pawn again 39. ... This gets tricky. Black has the option of Be1+ leading to bishop for knight, winning the g pawn behind and a strong potential to Queen, although with the right bishop moves I think it's possible to hold and maybe win the end game. It's difficult to tell. Better 38. Bf8 Ra1 39. Bg7 + Show Spoiler + (here I got stuck for an hour with 39. ...Be1 because of the threat to promotion but actually it's nullified by Bxf6+ winning the rook as was the original threat. Your head can be so dumb sometimes.  )39. ...Ke7 40. Bxf6+ Kxf6 41. Rf3+ Ke5 42. Rxf2 Kxd5 leaves us with an endgame that I'm not equipped to analyse but I think is win-able. I'm not sure at all if the paired pawns will win against the advanced d pawn but I think so. I have to walk away for a bit now. I've gone deeper into these lines than I've ever gone with a chess match and I think I'm making mistakes and repeating myself now. I'll be back. | ||
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Surili
United Kingdom1141 Posts
 sad face, I rarely post but I was enjoying following it along. Maybe someone with time on their hands could start a new one? | ||
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