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As discussion has dried up for the moment, we might revisit an earlier move:
On January 16 2012 12:25 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 11:47 Ng5 wrote:
PS: Just out of interest, did you expect that reply or did I succeeded at surprising you? Hard to say, as discussion has fallen off these days. I think I can confidently say that it wasn't the main reply that we expected (that would have been the simple 28...Bxa3) but ...Ra2 is a move that we considered a bit in general. So...mild surprise, I guess? When I wrote that, I somehow forgot about the move that worried us most--more than 29...Bxa3. The move I think we were most concerned about at the time, after almost every 29th move that we could have chosen, was 29...Rc2, shutting down our main offensive avenue, Rc7+ (which we eventually played).
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On January 20 2012 14:22 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 14:19 GenesisX wrote:On January 20 2012 11:26 qrs wrote:OK, about the next move. Now that we've played 29. Rc7+, Ng5 has only two legal options 29...Kd8 or 29...Ke8. Originally, I thought + Show Spoiler +that in either case, our best response was probably 30. Ke1. The purpose of that move is to defend the Knight, after which we can play d6 to drive away the Black Bishop (without Ke1, we can't play this because of ...BxP BxB RxN), and then kill the Black h-pawn. However, I've had a change of thinking: + Show Spoiler +If Black plays 29...Kd8, I still think that we need to play 30. Ke1, because Black is immediately threatening to win a piece by removing the guard of our Rook: ...RxN BxN KxR. To guard against this, we need our King defending the Knight. However, if Black plays 29...Ke8, I'm no longer sure that we should respond with 30. Ke1. A theme of this game recently has been the waiting game that we're playing with Black about the Bishop on e7: he wants to move it, to get it active, and we want him to move it so that we can go kill his pawns. In that light, 30. Ke1, 31. d6 would be spending two moves to force Black to move a Bishop that he wants to move anyway. Maybe we can put that time to better use in a different way. I think 30. g4 and 30. h4 are both worth looking into. g4 (suggested a couple of moves previously by Malinor) relieves the pin on our Knight (though it still won't be free to move whilst Black threatens ...d2+ if we move it), gives our King more elbowroom and gains space on the board, discouraging Black from playing ...f5 or ...h5. h4 gets a head start on advancing the pawn that will become passed when we kill Black's h-pawn. I think that both are worth some consideration. + Show Spoiler +I'm super noob. Can you explain how g4 relieves a pin on our knight?  + Show Spoiler +If the Knight moved, g2 would be exposed to capture from Black's Rook. Doesn't make a difference now, but might down the line.
olol
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I haven't been around in a while, so I probably have missed a lot of analysis, but this is what I got.
+ Show Spoiler +Just gonna look at 30. Kf2 right now. + Show Spoiler [30... Rxa3 lines] + + Show Spoiler [31. Ke3] + Bb4 then
32. Rxh7 Ra2 loses a piece.
32. d6 Ra2 and I don't see any progress for white and I don't think he can hold the knight and stop the pawn (33. Knight anywhere Re2+ and pawn push).
Ra2+ then
32. Ke3 Re2+ 33. Kd4 Rxe4 34. Kxe4 d2 leaves black a piece off.
32. Kf1 d2 loses
32. Ke1 Re2+ white loses a knight and probably more.
I can't find any good counters for 31. d6
31...Ra2 32. dxe7+ Ke8 33. Kf3 and white is winning.
31....Bf8 32. Ke3 I can't tell who is up, but white has the initiative. I am sure someone has posted more analysis on this line somewhere.
...lol shoulda just started with this line, I don't see any way for white to hold the knight.
31. Rxh7 Bb4 32. Ke1 Ra1+ 33. Kf2 Rd1 34. Ne4 Rf1+ then
35. Kxf1 d2+ queens
35. Kg3 Be1+ 36. Kg4 Bc8+37. Kh5 Rxf4
35. Ke3 d2 36. Nxd2 Bxd2+ 37. Kxd2 Rxf4 gives white three pawns for the Bishop so I'm not sure how that'll end.
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On January 26 2012 09:53 mastergriggy wrote:I haven't been around in a while, so I probably have missed a lot of analysis, but this is what I got. + Show Spoiler +Just gonna look at 30. Kf2 right now. + Show Spoiler [30... Rxa3 lines] + + Show Spoiler [31. Ke3] + Bb4 then
32. Rxh7 Ra2 loses a piece.
32. d6 Ra2 and I don't see any progress for white and I don't think he can hold the knight and stop the pawn (33. Knight anywhere Re2+ and pawn push).
Ra2+ then
32. Ke3 Re2+ 33. Kd4 Rxe4 34. Kxe4 d2 leaves black a piece off.
32. Kf1 d2 loses
32. Ke1 Re2+ white loses a knight and probably more.
I can't find any good counters for 31. d6
31...Ra2 32. dxe7+ Ke8 33. Kf3 and white is winning.
31....Bf8 32. Ke3 I can't tell who is up, but white has the initiative. I am sure someone has posted more analysis on this line somewhere.
...lol shoulda just started with this line, I don't see any way for white to hold the knight.
31. Rxh7 Bb4 32. Ke1 Ra1+ 33. Kf2 Rd1 34. Ne4 Rf1+ then
35. Kxf1 d2+ queens
35. Kg3 Be1+ 36. Kg4 Bc8+37. Kh5 Rxf4
35. Ke3 d2 36. Nxd2 Bxd2+ 37. Kxd2 Rxf4 gives white three pawns for the Bishop so I'm not sure how that'll end.
We've already played 30. Ke1, actually: Ng5 just hasn't updated his OP. Here's the page in the analysis tree.
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I got a last minute assignment today that's due tomorrow so I cannot make my move now.
I will do so tomorrow evening.
Sorry for the delay.
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On January 26 2012 10:52 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 09:53 mastergriggy wrote:I haven't been around in a while, so I probably have missed a lot of analysis, but this is what I got. + Show Spoiler +Just gonna look at 30. Kf2 right now. + Show Spoiler [30... Rxa3 lines] + + Show Spoiler [31. Ke3] + Bb4 then
32. Rxh7 Ra2 loses a piece.
32. d6 Ra2 and I don't see any progress for white and I don't think he can hold the knight and stop the pawn (33. Knight anywhere Re2+ and pawn push).
Ra2+ then
32. Ke3 Re2+ 33. Kd4 Rxe4 34. Kxe4 d2 leaves black a piece off.
32. Kf1 d2 loses
32. Ke1 Re2+ white loses a knight and probably more.
I can't find any good counters for 31. d6
31...Ra2 32. dxe7+ Ke8 33. Kf3 and white is winning.
31....Bf8 32. Ke3 I can't tell who is up, but white has the initiative. I am sure someone has posted more analysis on this line somewhere.
...lol shoulda just started with this line, I don't see any way for white to hold the knight.
31. Rxh7 Bb4 32. Ke1 Ra1+ 33. Kf2 Rd1 34. Ne4 Rf1+ then
35. Kxf1 d2+ queens
35. Kg3 Be1+ 36. Kg4 Bc8+37. Kh5 Rxf4
35. Ke3 d2 36. Nxd2 Bxd2+ 37. Kxd2 Rxf4 gives white three pawns for the Bishop so I'm not sure how that'll end.
We've already played 30. Ke1, actually: Ng5 just hasn't updated his OP. Here's the page in the analysis tree.
lol Well okay pretend like that was the move I suggested then.
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On January 26 2012 14:47 mastergriggy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 10:52 qrs wrote:On January 26 2012 09:53 mastergriggy wrote:I haven't been around in a while, so I probably have missed a lot of analysis, but this is what I got. + Show Spoiler +Just gonna look at 30. Kf2 right now. + Show Spoiler [30... Rxa3 lines] + + Show Spoiler [31. Ke3] + Bb4 then
32. Rxh7 Ra2 loses a piece.
32. d6 Ra2 and I don't see any progress for white and I don't think he can hold the knight and stop the pawn (33. Knight anywhere Re2+ and pawn push).
Ra2+ then
32. Ke3 Re2+ 33. Kd4 Rxe4 34. Kxe4 d2 leaves black a piece off.
32. Kf1 d2 loses
32. Ke1 Re2+ white loses a knight and probably more.
I can't find any good counters for 31. d6
31...Ra2 32. dxe7+ Ke8 33. Kf3 and white is winning.
31....Bf8 32. Ke3 I can't tell who is up, but white has the initiative. I am sure someone has posted more analysis on this line somewhere.
...lol shoulda just started with this line, I don't see any way for white to hold the knight.
31. Rxh7 Bb4 32. Ke1 Ra1+ 33. Kf2 Rd1 34. Ne4 Rf1+ then
35. Kxf1 d2+ queens
35. Kg3 Be1+ 36. Kg4 Bc8+37. Kh5 Rxf4
35. Ke3 d2 36. Nxd2 Bxd2+ 37. Kxd2 Rxf4 gives white three pawns for the Bishop so I'm not sure how that'll end.
We've already played 30. Ke1, actually: Ng5 just hasn't updated his OP. Here's the page in the analysis tree. lol Well okay pretend like that was the move I suggested then. Well, also, 30. Kf2? RxN+.
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On January 26 2012 14:55 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 14:47 mastergriggy wrote:On January 26 2012 10:52 qrs wrote:On January 26 2012 09:53 mastergriggy wrote:I haven't been around in a while, so I probably have missed a lot of analysis, but this is what I got. + Show Spoiler +Just gonna look at 30. Kf2 right now. + Show Spoiler [30... Rxa3 lines] + + Show Spoiler [31. Ke3] + Bb4 then
32. Rxh7 Ra2 loses a piece.
32. d6 Ra2 and I don't see any progress for white and I don't think he can hold the knight and stop the pawn (33. Knight anywhere Re2+ and pawn push).
Ra2+ then
32. Ke3 Re2+ 33. Kd4 Rxe4 34. Kxe4 d2 leaves black a piece off.
32. Kf1 d2 loses
32. Ke1 Re2+ white loses a knight and probably more.
I can't find any good counters for 31. d6
31...Ra2 32. dxe7+ Ke8 33. Kf3 and white is winning.
31....Bf8 32. Ke3 I can't tell who is up, but white has the initiative. I am sure someone has posted more analysis on this line somewhere.
...lol shoulda just started with this line, I don't see any way for white to hold the knight.
31. Rxh7 Bb4 32. Ke1 Ra1+ 33. Kf2 Rd1 34. Ne4 Rf1+ then
35. Kxf1 d2+ queens
35. Kg3 Be1+ 36. Kg4 Bc8+37. Kh5 Rxf4
35. Ke3 d2 36. Nxd2 Bxd2+ 37. Kxd2 Rxf4 gives white three pawns for the Bishop so I'm not sure how that'll end.
We've already played 30. Ke1, actually: Ng5 just hasn't updated his OP. Here's the page in the analysis tree. lol Well okay pretend like that was the move I suggested then. Well, also, 30. Kf2? RxN+.
I didn't look too far into that because I assumed simply d6 was enough to deter it, but it shows what I know ha
Edit: NVM I'm even more retarted that's with check we can't play that anyway. I'll come back next move and try a bit harder haha
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Posted my move aaaand...
N-n-next turn.
I won't send reminders this time. I got several PMs telling me it's not necessary, so I will wait a day or two before sending to the non-active people. If you want it back just send me a PM and I'll start it again.
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RumbleBadger wrote:
Very nice name! Welcome aboard - along with all the other newcomers.
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31. Rxh7. Let's get what we came for.
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On January 27 2012 13:11 qrs wrote:
31. Rxh7. Let's get what we came for.
Agreed, Rxh7
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Nothing surprising with Ng5's move so Rxh7.
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I am not sure how you join in, do i need to pm him? But i am an okay chess player and i agree:
Rxh7!
(i assume we are white) ^^
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On January 27 2012 23:33 Surili wrote:
I am not sure how you join in, do i need to pm him? But i am an okay chess player and i agree:
Rxh7!
(i assume we are white) ^^ You don't need to PM him, you can just jump right in (as you have). He'll take note. Yes, we're White.
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I will finish this one properly.
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EPT
