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qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
January 24 2012 23:22 GMT
#2761
As discussion has dried up for the moment, we might revisit an earlier move:
On January 16 2012 12:25 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 11:47 Ng5 wrote:
PS: Just out of interest, did you expect that reply or did I succeeded at surprising you?
Hard to say, as discussion has fallen off these days. I think I can confidently say that it wasn't the main reply that we expected (that would have been the simple 28...Bxa3) but ...Ra2 is a move that we considered a bit in general. So...mild surprise, I guess?
When I wrote that, I somehow forgot about the move that worried us most--more than 29...Bxa3. The move I think we were most concerned about at the time, after almost every 29th move that we could have chosen, was 29...Rc2, shutting down our main offensive avenue, Rc7+ (which we eventually played).
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
January 25 2012 05:48 GMT
#2762
On January 20 2012 14:22 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 14:19 GenesisX wrote:
On January 20 2012 11:26 qrs wrote:
OK, about the next move. Now that we've played 29. Rc7+, Ng5 has only two legal options 29...Kd8 or 29...Ke8. Originally, I thought + Show Spoiler +
that in either case, our best response was probably 30. Ke1. The purpose of that move is to defend the Knight, after which we can play d6 to drive away the Black Bishop (without Ke1, we can't play this because of ...BxP BxB RxN), and then kill the Black h-pawn.


However, I've had a change of thinking:
+ Show Spoiler +
If Black plays 29...Kd8, I still think that we need to play 30. Ke1, because Black is immediately threatening to win a piece by removing the guard of our Rook: ...RxN BxN KxR. To guard against this, we need our King defending the Knight.

However, if Black plays 29...Ke8, I'm no longer sure that we should respond with 30. Ke1. A theme of this game recently has been the waiting game that we're playing with Black about the Bishop on e7: he wants to move it, to get it active, and we want him to move it so that we can go kill his pawns. In that light, 30. Ke1, 31. d6 would be spending two moves to force Black to move a Bishop that he wants to move anyway. Maybe we can put that time to better use in a different way.

I think 30. g4 and 30. h4 are both worth looking into. g4 (suggested a couple of moves previously by Malinor) relieves the pin on our Knight (though it still won't be free to move whilst Black threatens ...d2+ if we move it), gives our King more elbowroom and gains space on the board, discouraging Black from playing ...f5 or ...h5. h4 gets a head start on advancing the pawn that will become passed when we kill Black's h-pawn. I think that both are worth some consideration.



+ Show Spoiler +
I'm super noob. Can you explain how g4 relieves a pin on our knight?
+ Show Spoiler +
If the Knight moved, g2 would be exposed to capture from Black's Rook. Doesn't make a difference now, but might down the line.


olol
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mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
January 26 2012 00:53 GMT
#2763
I haven't been around in a while, so I probably have missed a lot of analysis, but this is what I got.

+ Show Spoiler +
Just gonna look at 30. Kf2 right now.

+ Show Spoiler [30... Rxa3 lines] +


+ Show Spoiler [31. Ke3] +
Bb4 then

32. Rxh7 Ra2 loses a piece.

32. d6 Ra2 and I don't see any progress for white and I don't think he can hold the knight and stop the pawn (33. Knight anywhere Re2+ and pawn push).


+ Show Spoiler [31. Ne4] +

Ra2+ then
32. Ke3 Re2+ 33. Kd4 Rxe4 34. Kxe4 d2 leaves black a piece off.
32. Kf1 d2 loses
32. Ke1 Re2+ white loses a knight and probably more.


+ Show Spoiler [31. d6] +

I can't find any good counters for 31. d6

31...Ra2 32. dxe7+ Ke8 33. Kf3 and white is winning.
31....Bf8 32. Ke3 I can't tell who is up, but white has the initiative. I am sure someone has posted more analysis on this line somewhere.



+ Show Spoiler [30...Bxa3 lines] +
...lol shoulda just started with this line, I don't see any way for white to hold the knight.
31. Rxh7 Bb4 32. Ke1 Ra1+ 33. Kf2 Rd1 34. Ne4 Rf1+ then

35. Kxf1 d2+ queens

35. Kg3 Be1+ 36. Kg4 Bc8+37. Kh5 Rxf4

35. Ke3 d2 36. Nxd2 Bxd2+ 37. Kxd2 Rxf4 gives white three pawns for the Bishop so I'm not sure how that'll end.






Write your own song!
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
January 26 2012 01:52 GMT
#2764
On January 26 2012 09:53 mastergriggy wrote:
I haven't been around in a while, so I probably have missed a lot of analysis, but this is what I got.

+ Show Spoiler +
Just gonna look at 30. Kf2 right now.

+ Show Spoiler [30... Rxa3 lines] +


+ Show Spoiler [31. Ke3] +
Bb4 then

32. Rxh7 Ra2 loses a piece.

32. d6 Ra2 and I don't see any progress for white and I don't think he can hold the knight and stop the pawn (33. Knight anywhere Re2+ and pawn push).


+ Show Spoiler [31. Ne4] +

Ra2+ then
32. Ke3 Re2+ 33. Kd4 Rxe4 34. Kxe4 d2 leaves black a piece off.
32. Kf1 d2 loses
32. Ke1 Re2+ white loses a knight and probably more.


+ Show Spoiler [31. d6] +

I can't find any good counters for 31. d6

31...Ra2 32. dxe7+ Ke8 33. Kf3 and white is winning.
31....Bf8 32. Ke3 I can't tell who is up, but white has the initiative. I am sure someone has posted more analysis on this line somewhere.



+ Show Spoiler [30...Bxa3 lines] +
...lol shoulda just started with this line, I don't see any way for white to hold the knight.
31. Rxh7 Bb4 32. Ke1 Ra1+ 33. Kf2 Rd1 34. Ne4 Rf1+ then

35. Kxf1 d2+ queens

35. Kg3 Be1+ 36. Kg4 Bc8+37. Kh5 Rxf4

35. Ke3 d2 36. Nxd2 Bxd2+ 37. Kxd2 Rxf4 gives white three pawns for the Bishop so I'm not sure how that'll end.






We've already played 30. Ke1, actually: Ng5 just hasn't updated his OP. Here's the page in the analysis tree.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2012 04:29 GMT
#2765
I got a last minute assignment today that's due tomorrow so I cannot make my move now.

I will do so tomorrow evening.

Sorry for the delay.
mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
January 26 2012 05:47 GMT
#2766
On January 26 2012 10:52 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 09:53 mastergriggy wrote:
I haven't been around in a while, so I probably have missed a lot of analysis, but this is what I got.

+ Show Spoiler +
Just gonna look at 30. Kf2 right now.

+ Show Spoiler [30... Rxa3 lines] +


+ Show Spoiler [31. Ke3] +
Bb4 then

32. Rxh7 Ra2 loses a piece.

32. d6 Ra2 and I don't see any progress for white and I don't think he can hold the knight and stop the pawn (33. Knight anywhere Re2+ and pawn push).


+ Show Spoiler [31. Ne4] +

Ra2+ then
32. Ke3 Re2+ 33. Kd4 Rxe4 34. Kxe4 d2 leaves black a piece off.
32. Kf1 d2 loses
32. Ke1 Re2+ white loses a knight and probably more.


+ Show Spoiler [31. d6] +

I can't find any good counters for 31. d6

31...Ra2 32. dxe7+ Ke8 33. Kf3 and white is winning.
31....Bf8 32. Ke3 I can't tell who is up, but white has the initiative. I am sure someone has posted more analysis on this line somewhere.



+ Show Spoiler [30...Bxa3 lines] +
...lol shoulda just started with this line, I don't see any way for white to hold the knight.
31. Rxh7 Bb4 32. Ke1 Ra1+ 33. Kf2 Rd1 34. Ne4 Rf1+ then

35. Kxf1 d2+ queens

35. Kg3 Be1+ 36. Kg4 Bc8+37. Kh5 Rxf4

35. Ke3 d2 36. Nxd2 Bxd2+ 37. Kxd2 Rxf4 gives white three pawns for the Bishop so I'm not sure how that'll end.






We've already played 30. Ke1, actually: Ng5 just hasn't updated his OP. Here's the page in the analysis tree.


lol Well okay pretend like that was the move I suggested then.
Write your own song!
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
January 26 2012 05:55 GMT
#2767
On January 26 2012 14:47 mastergriggy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 10:52 qrs wrote:
On January 26 2012 09:53 mastergriggy wrote:
I haven't been around in a while, so I probably have missed a lot of analysis, but this is what I got.

+ Show Spoiler +
Just gonna look at 30. Kf2 right now.

+ Show Spoiler [30... Rxa3 lines] +


+ Show Spoiler [31. Ke3] +
Bb4 then

32. Rxh7 Ra2 loses a piece.

32. d6 Ra2 and I don't see any progress for white and I don't think he can hold the knight and stop the pawn (33. Knight anywhere Re2+ and pawn push).


+ Show Spoiler [31. Ne4] +

Ra2+ then
32. Ke3 Re2+ 33. Kd4 Rxe4 34. Kxe4 d2 leaves black a piece off.
32. Kf1 d2 loses
32. Ke1 Re2+ white loses a knight and probably more.


+ Show Spoiler [31. d6] +

I can't find any good counters for 31. d6

31...Ra2 32. dxe7+ Ke8 33. Kf3 and white is winning.
31....Bf8 32. Ke3 I can't tell who is up, but white has the initiative. I am sure someone has posted more analysis on this line somewhere.



+ Show Spoiler [30...Bxa3 lines] +
...lol shoulda just started with this line, I don't see any way for white to hold the knight.
31. Rxh7 Bb4 32. Ke1 Ra1+ 33. Kf2 Rd1 34. Ne4 Rf1+ then

35. Kxf1 d2+ queens

35. Kg3 Be1+ 36. Kg4 Bc8+37. Kh5 Rxf4

35. Ke3 d2 36. Nxd2 Bxd2+ 37. Kxd2 Rxf4 gives white three pawns for the Bishop so I'm not sure how that'll end.






We've already played 30. Ke1, actually: Ng5 just hasn't updated his OP. Here's the page in the analysis tree.


lol Well okay pretend like that was the move I suggested then.
Well, also, 30. Kf2? RxN+.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 06:41:29
January 26 2012 06:26 GMT
#2768
On January 26 2012 14:55 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 14:47 mastergriggy wrote:
On January 26 2012 10:52 qrs wrote:
On January 26 2012 09:53 mastergriggy wrote:
I haven't been around in a while, so I probably have missed a lot of analysis, but this is what I got.

+ Show Spoiler +
Just gonna look at 30. Kf2 right now.

+ Show Spoiler [30... Rxa3 lines] +


+ Show Spoiler [31. Ke3] +
Bb4 then

32. Rxh7 Ra2 loses a piece.

32. d6 Ra2 and I don't see any progress for white and I don't think he can hold the knight and stop the pawn (33. Knight anywhere Re2+ and pawn push).


+ Show Spoiler [31. Ne4] +

Ra2+ then
32. Ke3 Re2+ 33. Kd4 Rxe4 34. Kxe4 d2 leaves black a piece off.
32. Kf1 d2 loses
32. Ke1 Re2+ white loses a knight and probably more.


+ Show Spoiler [31. d6] +

I can't find any good counters for 31. d6

31...Ra2 32. dxe7+ Ke8 33. Kf3 and white is winning.
31....Bf8 32. Ke3 I can't tell who is up, but white has the initiative. I am sure someone has posted more analysis on this line somewhere.



+ Show Spoiler [30...Bxa3 lines] +
...lol shoulda just started with this line, I don't see any way for white to hold the knight.
31. Rxh7 Bb4 32. Ke1 Ra1+ 33. Kf2 Rd1 34. Ne4 Rf1+ then

35. Kxf1 d2+ queens

35. Kg3 Be1+ 36. Kg4 Bc8+37. Kh5 Rxf4

35. Ke3 d2 36. Nxd2 Bxd2+ 37. Kxd2 Rxf4 gives white three pawns for the Bishop so I'm not sure how that'll end.






We've already played 30. Ke1, actually: Ng5 just hasn't updated his OP. Here's the page in the analysis tree.


lol Well okay pretend like that was the move I suggested then.
Well, also, 30. Kf2? RxN+.


I didn't look too far into that because I assumed simply d6 was enough to deter it, but it shows what I know ha

Edit: NVM I'm even more retarted that's with check we can't play that anyway. I'll come back next move and try a bit harder haha
Write your own song!
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2012 23:58 GMT
#2769
Posted my move aaaand...

N-n-next turn.

I won't send reminders this time. I got several PMs telling me it's not necessary, so I will wait a day or two before sending to the non-active people. If you want it back just send me a PM and I'll start it again.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2012 23:59 GMT
#2770
RumbleBadger wrote:


Very nice name! Welcome aboard - along with all the other newcomers.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
January 27 2012 04:11 GMT
#2771
31. Rxh7. Let's get what we came for.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Mash2
Profile Joined February 2011
United States132 Posts
January 27 2012 14:10 GMT
#2772
On January 27 2012 13:11 qrs wrote:
31. Rxh7. Let's get what we came for.


Agreed, Rxh7
"Quite often the flood of history is undammed or diverted by the character and actions of one man." - Pat Frank, "Alas, Babylon"
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
January 27 2012 14:15 GMT
#2773
Nothing surprising with Ng5's move so Rxh7.
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
Surili
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1141 Posts
January 27 2012 14:33 GMT
#2774
I am not sure how you join in, do i need to pm him? But i am an okay chess player and i agree:

Rxh7!

(i assume we are white) ^^
The world is ending what should we do about it?
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
January 27 2012 14:40 GMT
#2775
On January 27 2012 23:33 Surili wrote:
I am not sure how you join in, do i need to pm him? But i am an okay chess player and i agree:

Rxh7!

(i assume we are white) ^^
You don't need to PM him, you can just jump right in (as you have). He'll take note. Yes, we're White.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
chesshaha
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1117 Posts
January 27 2012 14:46 GMT
#2776
31. Rxh7
"Hopefully you're not the real TLO so it's not casted" - SpecialK
Zen5034
Profile Joined July 2011
United States384 Posts
January 27 2012 17:21 GMT
#2777
31. Rxh7
Jaedong!
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
January 28 2012 01:10 GMT
#2778
31. Rxh7
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Ikari
Profile Joined April 2007
United States176 Posts
January 28 2012 01:16 GMT
#2779
31.Rxh7
God Mode: Alt+F4
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 28 2012 22:19 GMT
#2780
I will finish this one properly.
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