EPTin any case, my vote still stands on Nd2.
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SausageLinks
United States93 Posts
in any case, my vote still stands on Nd2. | ||
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Mash2
United States132 Posts
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dtvu
Australia687 Posts
with 23. Bxc7 continuation- I don't like getting our knight pinned after just getting it going. | ||
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
EDIT: actually Rc1 looks very good also... gonna change my vote to that | ||
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LaXerCannon
Canada558 Posts
and we're starting to see problems with our Re3 (blocking our bishop) ... we should get on the offensive soon: his bishop pair only get stronger as we trade pieces | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On November 21 2011 11:27 LaXerCannon wrote: + Show Spoiler +23. Rc1 + Show Spoiler + and we're starting to see problems with our Re3 (blocking our bishop) ... we should get on the offensive soon: his bishop pair only get stronger as we trade pieces I think all three of the candidate moves could be considered going on the offensive, and we can't stop Black from trading pieces. We can just try to trade them on the best terms for us. IMO, that's what 23. Nd2 does. Here's what I think is a pretty likely line after 23. Rc1. As you see, we can't stop the piece trades from happening, and in this case, I don't think they've been particularly favorable for us. Black still has some pressure, and our pawn majority still consists of those weak, doubled a-pawns. I'm not sure what our plan is in this position. What do you think of it? Meanwhile 23. Nd2 encourages the Rook trade to happen on e3, which lets us play fxe3, which is good for us, imo. That's why I prefer it. | ||
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liberal
1116 Posts
Rc1. | ||
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Soluhwin
United States1287 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Because moving pawns is a boring way to stop a checkmate, and I don't see how Rc1 will stop a rook trade into check mate via rook on 1st row without coming out down a rook | ||
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aphorism
United States226 Posts
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liberal
1116 Posts
On November 21 2011 11:58 Soluhwin wrote: Nd2 + Show Spoiler + Because moving pawns is a boring way to stop a checkmate, and I don't see how Rc1 will stop a rook trade into check mate via rook on 1st row without coming out down a rook wow you must have looked at the position for like 5 seconds if you think Rc1 loses a rook or leads to checkmate... lol | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On November 21 2011 11:14 GenesisX wrote: For everyone voting Rc1: sure it looks good at a glance, and 23. Rc1 isn't awful, but have a little patience. Rc1 is a resource we have in this position. That doesn't mean we should play it right away.EDIT: 23. Rc1 EDIT: actually Rc1 looks very good also... gonna change my vote to that I've already posted twice the 23. Rc1 line which I'd rather not get into, but no one's responded, so I'll post it a third time: Here's the line. What has the immediate Rc1 gotten us here? IMO, not all that much. If we play 23. Nd2, we avoid this line, and I think we go into better ones. I want to play Rc1 too, but I want to play it under the best circumstances for us. Of course you can disagree with me. I don't claim to know it all. But at least say, do you see a plan for us in the above position? | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
Move 23 votes (final?) + Show Spoiler [votes] + 23. Bxc7: 3 (chesshaha, ApocAlypsE007, Mash2) 23. Rc1: 4-5 (mastergriggy, 23. Nd2: 5 (qrs, SausageLinks, dtvu, ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0NrOG.png) either a tie between Rc1 and Nd2 or Nd2 wins by a vote, depending on whether people can vote from beyond the grave... | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Ng5
702 Posts
Deadline is over now. Okay I see there's a controversy here and I couldn't read up the past two days due to research. I have to do some work now, but will check everything out tomorrow. If there's a tie I'll find some measures to resolve it in a day or two and post my reply. If no I'll just post the move. | ||
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Ng5
702 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On November 21 2011 18:11 Ng5 wrote: Fortunately, Bill Murray's vote just before you closed it resolved the tie in any case (thanks, Bill!)I guess... Deadline is over now. Okay I see there's a controversy here and I couldn't read up the past two days due to research. I have to do some work now, but will check everything out tomorrow. If there's a tie I'll find some measures to resolve it in a day or two and post my reply. If no I'll just post the move. On November 21 2011 18:22 Ng5 wrote: Name does suit him, but posting style didn't, and he was banned for something unrelated (image macro).Btw was it MrPro again? I was wondering when he'd turn up with a third wind and the name suits him. I wanted to read up on his posts, but I just can't bring myself to actually read them. | ||
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Ng5
702 Posts
But that would suit him perfectly well as well. And his second post in this thread suits someone his personality a hundred person for someone who gives it a go a third time. Not that I could know anything as I can't read people well as he so eagerly pointed out. Not that I have logs telling friends how shit is gonna hit the fan on my forum-chess when he entered the roster, days before it happened, but yes. Just ask any woman I ever liked. I don't know why it's hard to just come back and try not being a dick for a change. Or at least don't start flaming about bullshit that makes it obvious. Nevermind back to work. Edit: I mean... He wasn't even perm banned. And we didn't even ban him from here. I just won't let people ruining the fun of other 40+ people with their behaviour. | ||
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Ng5
702 Posts
Let's make a forum simul or something for thanksgiving. I will be here all alone and the cafeteria will only have breakfast food too so I'm better off cooking. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
Move 23 votes (final) + Show Spoiler [votes] + 23. Bxc7: 3 (chesshaha, ApocAlypsE007, Mash2) 23. Rc1: 4-5 (mastergriggy, 23. Nd2: 6 (qrs, SausageLinks, dtvu, ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dT3e8.png) Well, it's not officially official, but since Ng5 has declared the voting closed, and since Bill Murray's vote breaks the tie even if TruthisCold's vote is counted, I assume that this is it. Move is 23. Nd2; analysis on the position can be found starting here. Ng5's next move is probably going to be + Show Spoiler + 23...Rxe3 or, less likely, 23...Rd3. Other moves allow us an excellent game by going straight after the Kingside pawns. 23...Rxe3 is more likely than 23...Rd3, because a) if the Rooks are going to be exchanged, why waste a move by moving the Rook that's about to die, b) d3 is actually not a very good spot for Black's bishop, as it lets us gain time with the move or the threat of Rc3. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On November 21 2011 21:48 Ng5 wrote: I wouldn't mind playing in a correspondence simul with you, but if you mean real-time (which I assume you do, since you're talking about playing it all on one day), I'm not sure a forum is the best, er, forum for that sort of thing. On the other hand, forums are flexible, so if you wanted to be casual about it (i.e. no fixed time limit: people move whenever they get around to it), I'd participate.Let's make a forum simul or something for thanksgiving. I will be here all alone and the cafeteria will only have breakfast food too so I'm better off cooking. | ||
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