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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 05 2011 01:42 GMT
#2321
On October 05 2011 10:29 DreamScaR wrote:
May want to edit the OP for the 3rd place match, since it starts in 30 minutes and not an hour 30.


According to the event schedule he has the correct times.

03:15 GMT (+00:00)

That's in an hour and thirty minutes.

http://iemchina.leagueoflegends.com/
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Shawngood
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany473 Posts
October 05 2011 01:44 GMT
#2322
Won't respond to the criticism regarding the groupstage/iG as I have posted about that already. We will be looking into different kinds of groupstage-modes to prevent these kinds of three-way-ties.

I will however comment on the rulebook issue and the "admins favouring CLG" complaint:

a) The rulebook is being send to each player of each team before the event and we have at least one copy to look things up at the event with us. IG actually asked about the tiebreaker rule before the third game in their groupstage but appearently missunderstood it. Xpecial saying that he never saw the rules for gamescom means that he gave us a wrong email as I sent it to him and his team. Chaox even replied to that email...

b) The LoL teams are seated in our player's area which is quite crowded (you can see that on stream). Any team that finished their match is asked to leave the area so things don't get too crowded. They can still see the games on flatscreens around the area or on the mainstage which is quite close.
In that particular case that I believe people are bringing up CLG simply set up for their semi final match and got to look at the WE vs. Ehome match from their seats. Ehome and WE on the other hand hat to leave the area after their match (as described before).
@ESL_Shawn
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
October 05 2011 01:45 GMT
#2323
On October 05 2011 10:37 Irave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 10:29 DreamScaR wrote:
May want to edit the OP for the 3rd place match, since it starts in 30 minutes and not an hour 30.

Really? Good to know as I was about ready to head out for dinner, guess I'll stick around.


You should just go, it will probably be delayed an hour like all the rest.
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
October 05 2011 01:48 GMT
#2324
On October 05 2011 10:44 Shawngood wrote:
Won't respond to the criticism regarding the groupstage/iG as I have posted about that already. We will be looking into different kinds of groupstage-modes to prevent these kinds of three-way-ties.

I will however comment on the rulebook issue and the "admins favouring CLG" complaint:

a) The rulebook is being send to each player of each team before the event and we have at least one copy to look things up at the event with us. IG actually asked about the tiebreaker rule before the third game in their groupstage but appearently missunderstood it. Xpecial saying that he never saw the rules for gamescom means that he gave us a wrong email as I sent it to him and his team. Chaox even replied to that email...

b) The LoL teams are seated in our player's area which is quite crowded (you can see that on stream). Any team that finished their match is asked to leave the area so things don't get too crowded. They can still see the games on flatscreens around the area or on the mainstage which is quite close.
In that particular case that I believe people are bringing up CLG simply set up for their semi final match and got to look at the WE vs. Ehome match from their seats. Ehome and WE on the other hand hat to leave the area after their match (as described before).

Ah, fantastic, so you did send the rulebooks to the players. I thought that was pretty standard but the iG scenario confused me because they obviously didn't know a pretty fundamental rule, i.e. how a tiebreak would be resolved. I trust what you've said is true and I don't think ESL is to blame for any of the drama that arose yesterday.
Betrayed by EG.BuK
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 05 2011 01:54 GMT
#2325
On October 05 2011 10:44 Shawngood wrote:
Won't respond to the criticism regarding the groupstage/iG as I have posted about that already. We will be looking into different kinds of groupstage-modes to prevent these kinds of three-way-ties.

I will however comment on the rulebook issue and the "admins favouring CLG" complaint:

a) The rulebook is being send to each player of each team before the event and we have at least one copy to look things up at the event with us. IG actually asked about the tiebreaker rule before the third game in their groupstage but appearently missunderstood it. Xpecial saying that he never saw the rules for gamescom means that he gave us a wrong email as I sent it to him and his team. Chaox even replied to that email...

b) The LoL teams are seated in our player's area which is quite crowded (you can see that on stream). Any team that finished their match is asked to leave the area so things don't get too crowded. They can still see the games on flatscreens around the area or on the mainstage which is quite close.
In that particular case that I believe people are bringing up CLG simply set up for their semi final match and got to look at the WE vs. Ehome match from their seats. Ehome and WE on the other hand hat to leave the area after their match (as described before).


/humble myself

Sorry for jumping to conclusions, will remember not to take Xpecial at his word in the future.

But yes, definitely consider doing other formats for group stages at future events. That would be awesome.
DreamScaR
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Canada2127 Posts
October 05 2011 01:58 GMT
#2326
On October 05 2011 10:42 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 10:29 DreamScaR wrote:
May want to edit the OP for the 3rd place match, since it starts in 30 minutes and not an hour 30.


According to the event schedule he has the correct times.

03:15 GMT (+00:00)

That's in an hour and thirty minutes.

http://iemchina.leagueoflegends.com/


http://www.esl-world.net/masters/#/masters/season6/guangzhou/news/172541/


The 3rd place match for League of Legends between SK Gaming and eHome will be played earlier on Thursday, at 10:00 CST. This was decided to ensure that the whole tournament day will be on time as possible for the fans, viewers and players.
Due to the closing time of the Ani-Com & Games at 17:00 local time and the possible length of League of Legend matches we want to make sure that we can finish Thursday with its deciding matches in Counter-Strike and League of Legends on time.

The final between CLG and World Elite remains scheduled for 14:10 CST. Make sure you tune in to the live coverage of the day with Joe Miller and ZenontheStoic on ESL TV.


I trust IEM's site more:p
~ Aka ItsWoodrow on Twitter
Bezelheim
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada61 Posts
October 05 2011 01:59 GMT
#2327
Rooting for WE! I don't really like CLG as a team even though I like most of them as individual players. Probably just bias against HotShotGG. Or maybe it's because I want a Chinese team to win!

... GO WE!
Shawngood
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany473 Posts
October 05 2011 02:00 GMT
#2328
3rd place match starting in about 15 minutes from now.
@ESL_Shawn
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 02:06:36
October 05 2011 02:04 GMT
#2329
On October 05 2011 10:58 DreamScaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 10:42 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 05 2011 10:29 DreamScaR wrote:
May want to edit the OP for the 3rd place match, since it starts in 30 minutes and not an hour 30.


According to the event schedule he has the correct times.

03:15 GMT (+00:00)

That's in an hour and thirty minutes.

http://iemchina.leagueoflegends.com/


http://www.esl-world.net/masters/#/masters/season6/guangzhou/news/172541/

Show nested quote +

The 3rd place match for League of Legends between SK Gaming and eHome will be played earlier on Thursday, at 10:00 CST. This was decided to ensure that the whole tournament day will be on time as possible for the fans, viewers and players.
Due to the closing time of the Ani-Com & Games at 17:00 local time and the possible length of League of Legend matches we want to make sure that we can finish Thursday with its deciding matches in Counter-Strike and League of Legends on time.

The final between CLG and World Elite remains scheduled for 14:10 CST. Make sure you tune in to the live coverage of the day with Joe Miller and ZenontheStoic on ESL TV.


I trust IEM's site more:p


That confuses me further. Is there a European time zone that is called CST?

China standard time obviously ^_^

3rd place match 02:00 GMT (+00:00)
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
jtrex
Profile Joined January 2011
Japan94 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 02:11:50
October 05 2011 02:10 GMT
#2330
The 3rd place match for League of Legends between SK Gaming and eHome will be played earlier on Thursday, at 10:00 CST. This was decided to ensure that the whole tournament day will be on time as possible for the fans, viewers and players.
Due to the closing time of the Ani-Com & Games at 17:00 local time and the possible length of League of Legend matches we want to make sure that we can finish Thursday with its deciding matches in Counter-Strike and League of Legends on time.

The final between CLG and World Elite remains scheduled for 14:10 CST. Make sure you tune in to the live coverage of the day with Joe Miller and ZenontheStoic on ESL TV.[/quote]


Today is Wednesday right?
DanielZKlein
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1171 Posts
October 05 2011 02:11 GMT
#2331
To clarify further what Shawn was saying: you can EASILY see the full screens of all teams from outside the area. There was never anything secret there. Also, the rules not only lay down the tiebreaker rules very clearly, they also rephrase in the clearest language possible: you should strive for "short wins and long losses". All teams that were possibly affected by a tie-breaker were reminded of this before their matches and indicated that they had understood.

The tie-breaker was super close and as such of course a little random, but game length is BY FAR the best indicator of closeness in a LoL game. This is not a random ESL ruling; this is something we lay down for our own Season 1 Championship, something that the entire eSports group at Riot is totally behind: a win is better the shorter it is, thus a long defense is also worth more than getting steamrolled in 15 minutes.

We're about to get started with the match for third place, and to close this topic let me just say that iG deserved to be here every bit as much as EHOME or SK, but in the end their results were just that little bit worse (I heard one minute 50 seconds?) This is eSports and we can't all be winners.
My modesty is awesome.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 05 2011 02:12 GMT
#2332
Hi Zenon.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 05 2011 02:15 GMT
#2333
On October 05 2011 11:11 DanielZKlein wrote:
To clarify further what Shawn was saying: you can EASILY see the full screens of all teams from outside the area. There was never anything secret there. Also, the rules not only lay down the tiebreaker rules very clearly, they also rephrase in the clearest language possible: you should strive for "short wins and long losses". All teams that were possibly affected by a tie-breaker were reminded of this before their matches and indicated that they had understood.

The tie-breaker was super close and as such of course a little random, but game length is BY FAR the best indicator of closeness in a LoL game. This is not a random ESL ruling; this is something we lay down for our own Season 1 Championship, something that the entire eSports group at Riot is totally behind: a win is better the shorter it is, thus a long defense is also worth more than getting steamrolled in 15 minutes.

We're about to get started with the match for third place, and to close this topic let me just say that iG deserved to be here every bit as much as EHOME or SK, but in the end their results were just that little bit worse (I heard one minute 50 seconds?) This is eSports and we can't all be winners.

Hi Zenon, great work casting so far.

How likely is it that we'll have double elim groups in future events to avoid this kind of scenario?
Moderator
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 05 2011 02:15 GMT
#2334
Meh, I really think a switch to msl style groups would just be the way to go about it. Much more fair, even if its possible that a team might not play everyone else.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 05 2011 02:19 GMT
#2335
On October 05 2011 11:15 Two_DoWn wrote:
Meh, I really think a switch to msl style groups would just be the way to go about it. Much more fair, even if its possible that a team might not play everyone else.


I agree with this, The one thing I like about the Double Elim format is that I don't HAVE to sit down and watch all the games just to get a sense of what might happen before we head into Bracket Play. Plus then you don't have half of your Viewer Base up in arms about how irrational your Tiebreakers are.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
October 05 2011 02:21 GMT
#2336
I agree that a tiebreaker based purely on time is unfair, especially when DCs add randomness to the games.

Still, talking about it now doesn't do anyone any good. As zillions of people have said by now, LOL needs a client with observer mode, lan, a pause feature, and a replay feature. Without these functions the game is squandering its chance to be one of the most successful Esports around (certainly outside of Korea).
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
October 05 2011 02:25 GMT
#2337
And we are LIVE!. At least the stream is on.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
toastymow
Profile Joined October 2011
United States254 Posts
October 05 2011 02:25 GMT
#2338
Hey hey, stream is up. You know what that means?

DJ JOE IN DAH HOUSE! DAT MUSIK 2 GUD BRAH.
DreamScaR
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Canada2127 Posts
October 05 2011 02:27 GMT
#2339
On October 05 2011 11:25 toastymow wrote:
Hey hey, stream is up. You know what that means?

DJ JOE IN DAH HOUSE! DAT MUSIK 2 GUD BRAH.

Joe is doing Counter strike
~ Aka ItsWoodrow on Twitter
Fuzzmosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada752 Posts
October 05 2011 02:30 GMT
#2340
That Chinese player looks like he's wearing his favourite shirt with the tear in the collar.
I'm From Canada, so they think I'm slow, eh?
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