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toastymow
United States254 Posts
On October 05 2011 08:48 infinitestory wrote: i would like to point out what great esportsmanship this is Yeah, allow me to point something out: Hotshot: douche on stream Saint: Biggest douche ever Oce: Arrogant Son of a Bitch Wickd: Cocky Bastard These guys aren't known for their winning personalities. They're jerks who win games and make money. They're damn good LoL players, but they don't have very winning personalities. | ||
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isM
United States735 Posts
On October 05 2011 08:48 infinitestory wrote: i would like to point out what great esportsmanship this is I don't even see how that is cheating, the VODs are pretty easily accessible after all. Also strategy changes from game to game its not like SC where someone on ladder can 6 pool every game for his entire career. Team compositions create variance in strategy and I doubt HSGG speaks Chinese to even understand their calls or strategies (assuming there is no variance ever). | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On October 05 2011 09:00 isM wrote: I don't even see how that is cheating, the VODs are pretty easily accessible after all. Also strategy changes from game to game its not like SC where someone on ladder can 6 pool every game for his entire career. Team compositions create variance in strategy and I doubt HSGG speaks Chinese to even understand their calls or strategies (assuming there is no variance ever). I think it's the difference between watching from the stream and a first person perspective. You can gain a lot more info if you can watch a person play the game in front of you compared to watching the game where you can't control the camera. Unless Riot plans on putting out a observer mode that can allow for anyone to join and watch a game (think HLTV), then there is definitely an advantage. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On October 05 2011 08:58 tyCe wrote: Perhaps the burden is on the teams to know the rules, but it is completely unprofessional for ESL to not make sure that the rules are known beforehand. In real life scenarios, burdens are the bare minimum of duty. Oftentimes, professional responsibility extends further than mere duty, and this is one example. Edit: The point is, though, that iG did actually ask about the rules and they got an incorrect reply from an ESL referee. Whether or not you want to argue that iG should have asked for a rule book in hindsight does not change the fact that ESL is vicariously liable for this stupid mess. It shouldn't matter that iG didn't use every single opportunity to insure themselves against obscure rules, they had done all that was reasonably necessary in their position. ESL, as tournament organisers, should have made their rules completely available and completely known, so that the players can focus on preparation and gameplay. Is it asking too much to want any professionalism at all in this industry? I agree that iG got screwed over. I just don't think Xpecial saying that he doesn't know the rules either means ESL is absolutely to blame. The referee made a poor call. It happens in real sports too and it'll blow over eventually. There's really nothing they can do about it at this point besides take preventative measures to make sure it doesn't happen again. EDIT: oops thanks. | ||
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Darkchylde
United States473 Posts
On October 05 2011 08:48 infinitestory wrote: i would like to point out what great esportsmanship this is Isn't it possible that they didn't notice Hotshot watching their games? And it's not like the Chinese weren't trying to watch either. It is crappy that HSGG got away with it, but I'm sure it wasn't intentional on either side. We're not even sure HSGG knew about that rule and not even sure that the same ref was enforcing said rule. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On October 05 2011 09:20 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: I agree that iG got screwed over. I just don't think Elementz saying that he doesn't know the rules either means ESL is absolutely to blame. The referee made a poor call. It happens in real sports too and it'll blow over eventually. There's really nothing they can do about it at this point besides take preventative measures to make sure it doesn't happen again. Xpecial said that, not Elementz. Just trying to make sure everyone knows.  And yes, someone suggested it when it happened but this event proves that ESL should do double elimination like the MSL/OSL rather than this round robin thing. Would make it so ties are impossible. edit: Since people are lazy and didn't read the original link, here's page 2 from that thread so everyone can know what Xpecial said. thread Not explaining the rules is NESL's fault. At Dreamhack, Riot handed out pamphlets and made sure that the rules were clear. ~ I personally can not find the rules anywhere. Also, realize that the rules at a LAN are different from those online, especially in regards to tiebreakers. | ||
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Bulldozer
United States89 Posts
On October 05 2011 08:14 NeoIllusions wrote: Match 3 CLG vs SK live now. Doing picks atm. info on pics/bans? at work and cant watch | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On October 05 2011 09:46 Bulldozer wrote: info on pics/bans? at work and cant watch It's all in the OP. That's the rerun from last night and it's already over (again). | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On October 05 2011 09:46 Bulldozer wrote: info on pics/bans? at work and cant watch They're showing a rerun right now; you can | ||
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toastymow
United States254 Posts
And yes, someone suggested it when it happened but this event proves that ESL should do double elimination like the MSL/OSL rather than this round robin thing. Would make it so ties are impossible. Actually, that sounds like a really good idea for these events. Put everyone into the event, seed according to how they qualified and then have a loser's bracket, working your way into the finals with Semis being a Bo3. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On October 05 2011 09:57 toastymow wrote: Actually, that sounds like a really good idea for these events. Put everyone into the event, seed according to how they qualified and then have a loser's bracket, working your way into the finals with Semis being a Bo3. No, MSL/OSL have a group stage too but it works differently. Team A plays Team B. Winner goes to winners match loser goes to losers match. Team C plays Team D. Winner goes to winners match loser goes to losers match. Whoever wins the winners match advances. Whoever wins the losers match plays the loser of the winners match. Whoever wins that game advances. Ties are impossible and it runs quicker than a traditional round robin group too. | ||
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Bulldozer
United States89 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On October 05 2011 10:00 Bulldozer wrote: ty much, so pumped for finals tonight! hopefully I can hop on a computer at work at get the stream working Finals are gonna be really late if you're in America since 3rd place match is first and I think it's at 11:15 PM EDT. The finals aren't scheduled to start until 2:10 AM assuming there aren't delays. Looks like I won't get much sleep for the third night in a row...  | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 05 2011 10:00 overt wrote: No, MSL/OSL have a group stage too but it works differently. Team A plays Team B. Winner goes to winners match loser goes to losers match. Team C plays Team D. Winner goes to winners match loser goes to losers match. Whoever wins the winners match advances. Whoever wins the losers match plays the loser of the winners match. Whoever wins that game advances. Ties are impossible and it runs quicker than a traditional round robin group too. For the record, this is MSL grouping. OSL does groups the same way IEM did them here. The difference is that when ties occur, they actually play out tiebreakers, which is probably the fairest way to do it. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On October 05 2011 10:17 TheYango wrote: For the record, this is MSL grouping. OSL does groups the same way IEM did them here. The difference is that when ties occur, they actually play out tiebreakers, which is probably the fairest way to do it. I'm too much of a Bisu fanboy to watch the OSLs. I didn't know that though, so thanks! And I think that for a game like LoL doing it how MSL does it would be better since they really don't have time for tiebreakers unless they plan that into the schedule. | ||
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DreamScaR
Canada2127 Posts
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crazeman
664 Posts
On October 05 2011 09:57 toastymow wrote: Actually, that sounds like a really good idea for these events. Put everyone into the event, seed according to how they qualified and then have a loser's bracket, working your way into the finals with Semis being a Bo3. Problem might be that the tourney might take too long in that case? LoL games are long enough as it is and they were literally just starting the last game of the night as the venue is closing. Making a BO3 double elimination might take too long. And just curious, how is Saint Vicious the biggest douche ever? I watch his stream all the time and I haven't seen him do any particularly bad BM. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On October 05 2011 10:29 DreamScaR wrote: May want to edit the OP for the 3rd place match, since it starts in 30 minutes and not an hour 30. Really? Good to know as I was about ready to head out for dinner, guess I'll stick around. | ||
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