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floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
February 03 2012 03:42 GMT
#181
LoL is terrible too, they make money hand over fist and you still can't spectate, there's no replays, etc.

They should copy Dota 2. You can pick the region you play in, can spectate games with hundreds of people right in the client, it has normal fucking chat. It's not sluggish and awful like Bnet 2.0 is where it can take an eternity just to pull up someones profile. It's in beta and half finished and still a thousand times better than SC2
Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
February 03 2012 03:50 GMT
#182
We do care; blizzard doesn't because they looked at what the feature was, the cost of implementing it, and the effect on game sales and it wasn't worth it to them. Sorry to say, there's not much we can do.
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Peanutbutter717
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States240 Posts
February 03 2012 04:02 GMT
#183
On February 03 2012 04:56 Shockk wrote:

Shared replay watching. It was such a great feature in SC/BW. Requested since beta, and we'll probably never see it


This existed!?! Everything else I read is important but not a dealbreaker for me, this though, definitely dealbreaker. I played BW when I was very very young, and therefore only the campaign and Fastest Map Possible a little over 2 years ago. There was shared replay!? This would make asking for help and coaching amazing so I don't have to navigate 10 folders, scroll through my multiplayer, drag in into an email and send it to a friend who has to do the same thing backwards so that we can both watch it.
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hashaki
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway210 Posts
February 03 2012 04:03 GMT
#184
On February 03 2012 12:50 Arisen wrote:
We do care; blizzard doesn't because they looked at what the feature was, the cost of implementing it, and the effect on game sales and it wasn't worth it to them. Sorry to say, there's not much we can do.


The effect on gamesales can be huge considering they have 2 more expansions coming out, and unless the OP's point (+ quite a few others) are fixed either before, or in, HOTS, I won't be buying them. And i believe I'm not alone in this, but if it's many enough of us to make a dent in their sales I'm not sure (rather doubt it), but it is something they should be worried about if you ask me.

Just goes to show that Blizzard, like so many other companies and gamedevelopers, don't give a shit about thier customers because once the game is sold they've already made their money. However, with 2 expansions already planned they should care.
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FrOsTyy
Profile Joined November 2010
United States125 Posts
February 03 2012 04:09 GMT
#185
I agree with all of it. Sadly. Blizz is failing so hard its sad. I wish iCCup could make a server and a return in SC 2 and set things right.
I'd love to get your help!
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
February 03 2012 04:11 GMT
#186
Yes, it feels much less social and more isolating to go on bnet 2 than the original.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-03 04:21:33
February 03 2012 04:21 GMT
#187
I really couldn't care less.

I think blizzard has done an extremely good job on what matters - providing a damn good game.

I think their focus has been extremely good - not only have they released a great game, a fun game, but a fairly well balanced and designed game, and they have focused their post-game efforts on balancing the game and releasing new maps and hosting high quality tournaments. I'd much rather watch a blizzon invitational tournament, or get a new balance patch, or a set of maps, or a new ladder season, then get a new UI, or analyzer, or chat.

Like I really could care less about chat, for one. I have a phone to call friends, and a forum to visit to discuss the game, and no game has an in-game chat system better than an online forum. This isn't world of warcraft, and I'm not a roleplayer that wants to pretend to be a waitress in the game.

I want a good game, and blizzard's focus on this game's balance, maps, and HOTS, is correct. Blizzard is doing an excellent job, and as a result of their focus on game balance and map design than chat and clan support and stupid tags, this game is much better.

Like really. Who cares about chat or clan tags. How is that anywhere near as awesome as this game, or the ladder system? I could give a rat's ass about chat. I would not pay an extra dollar to sit in a chat channel, but I will pay money for new units, new maps, new balance patches.
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Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-03 04:41:05
February 03 2012 04:40 GMT
#188
On February 03 2012 13:21 Belial88 wrote:
I really couldn't care less.

I think blizzard has done an extremely good job on what matters - providing a damn good game.

I think their focus has been extremely good - not only have they released a great game, a fun game, but a fairly well balanced and designed game, and they have focused their post-game efforts on balancing the game and releasing new maps and hosting high quality tournaments. I'd much rather watch a blizzon invitational tournament, or get a new balance patch, or a set of maps, or a new ladder season, then get a new UI, or analyzer, or chat.

Like I really could care less about chat, for one. I have a phone to call friends, and a forum to visit to discuss the game, and no game has an in-game chat system better than an online forum. This isn't world of warcraft, and I'm not a roleplayer that wants to pretend to be a waitress in the game.

I want a good game, and blizzard's focus on this game's balance, maps, and HOTS, is correct. Blizzard is doing an excellent job, and as a result of their focus on game balance and map design than chat and clan support and stupid tags, this game is much better.

Like really. Who cares about chat or clan tags. How is that anywhere near as awesome as this game, or the ladder system? I could give a rat's ass about chat. I would not pay an extra dollar to sit in a chat channel, but I will pay money for new units, new maps, new balance patches.

Don't ask dumbass questions like who cares when you've seen countless threads and a ton of people post here saying they do care.

Why is it wrong to ask Blizz for more?
People give feedback because they care about the game and want to have their experience improved.
MaV_gGSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1345 Posts
February 03 2012 04:43 GMT
#189
On February 03 2012 13:21 Belial88 wrote:
I really couldn't care less.

I think blizzard has done an extremely good job on what matters - providing a damn good game.

I think their focus has been extremely good - not only have they released a great game, a fun game, but a fairly well balanced and designed game, and they have focused their post-game efforts on balancing the game and releasing new maps and hosting high quality tournaments. I'd much rather watch a blizzon invitational tournament, or get a new balance patch, or a set of maps, or a new ladder season, then get a new UI, or analyzer, or chat.

Like I really could care less about chat, for one. I have a phone to call friends, and a forum to visit to discuss the game, and no game has an in-game chat system better than an online forum. This isn't world of warcraft, and I'm not a roleplayer that wants to pretend to be a waitress in the game.

I want a good game, and blizzard's focus on this game's balance, maps, and HOTS, is correct. Blizzard is doing an excellent job, and as a result of their focus on game balance and map design than chat and clan support and stupid tags, this game is much better.

Like really. Who cares about chat or clan tags. How is that anywhere near as awesome as this game, or the ladder system? I could give a rat's ass about chat. I would not pay an extra dollar to sit in a chat channel, but I will pay money for new units, new maps, new balance patches.


Are you serious? I can't tell if they paid you to say that.

For every good implementation they make, there are 10 other problems that NEEDS to be fixed or improved.
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honed
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada482 Posts
February 03 2012 04:45 GMT
#190
id rather a million fixes before the UI gets an update tbh
BestFriends
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada133 Posts
February 03 2012 05:00 GMT
#191
100% agree. Really good arguments and I hope to god blizzard reads!
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 03 2012 05:55 GMT
#192
The UI is really lacking and it's also very slow. Seems to me like they fucked up making bnet 2.0 and now its hard for them to change anything because the codebase sucks.
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architecture
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States643 Posts
February 03 2012 05:58 GMT
#193
On February 03 2012 12:29 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
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On February 03 2012 12:16 Flamingo777 wrote:
On February 03 2012 11:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Blizzard should take one look at the LoL client and then they should copy every single part of it.

Is this a troll post, Jinro? I've never played LoL, do they have a good UI?

I play quite a few games, honestly most of them have quite terrible UI's with the exception of Counter Strike. DotA 2's UI is very unclean and laggy at times, HoN's UI is bad, and so was Bloodline Champions'. I don't really mind how pretty the UI is, I just want it to be functional and smooth during use without needless FPS drops.

The LoL UI would be a million times better as a base UI than the SC2 UI.

It isn't without stupidity for sure, but overall it makes me a lot happier.

Just the fact that they embed pro tournament streams.... That alone means they are so far ahead.


How come so many of you are gravitating to LoL and not DOTA?

It's like playing protoss instead of terran.
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Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
February 03 2012 06:14 GMT
#194
The UI is indeed awful. It's slow and irresponsive and unintuitive and functionally limited. It does show too much console influence, as if it was supposed to be navigated with a controller, with its panes and whatnot. However most PC games (exclusive or not) nowadays have pretty terrible UI. Skyrim WTF.

But most improtantly, I keep imagining reading "IU still sub-par 2 years later" when I scan the sidebar. Then I get really angry and then I read again and calm down.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-03 06:35:26
February 03 2012 06:32 GMT
#195
On February 03 2012 12:42 floor exercise wrote:
LoL is terrible too, they make money hand over fist and you still can't spectate, there's no replays, etc.

They should copy Dota 2. You can pick the region you play in, can spectate games with hundreds of people right in the client, it has normal fucking chat. It's not sluggish and awful like Bnet 2.0 is where it can take an eternity just to pull up someones profile. It's in beta and half finished and still a thousand times better than SC2

Seriously. The DotA 2 spectator/replay/profile system is absolutely fantastic. Chat channels could be better organized but at least they're there, and you've got Steam to handle your friends list and PMs.

It's pretty remarkable how much better spectating is in DotA. You can jump in any game (except private games when DotATV is disabled) and watch the game with other viewers. There's a built in 3 minute delay which works with the auto-director camera setting, so that the game automatically highlights the action for you. If you'd rather control it yourself, you can either have a free camera, hero chase or player perspective, which includes the cursor and everything so that it's essentially the same as watching their stream, besides the mic/camera. Ever want to see HuK play without his music?

From the profile, you have the stats of the heroes you've played and a complete match history where you can check the scoreboard and download/watch any of your replays. For replays, along with the auto-director, there's also an auto-speed which speeds up the game and slows it down for combat.

Oh and of course when you disconnect from a game, you can always reconnect..

It's really quite sad how poor Bnet 0.2 is compared to what newer competitive games are using. Of course they have to accommodate custom games as well, but the custom game system is quite poor as well, and you will never see a healthy SC2 MOBA scene without a better matchmaking system.
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Carl_Sagan
Profile Joined March 2010
United States226 Posts
February 03 2012 06:36 GMT
#196
Agree so so so much with everything in this post. Blizzard, please, LISTEN! Keep making noise until they do!
Bengui
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada775 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-03 06:53:06
February 03 2012 06:52 GMT
#197
Oh Please. You (should) know they're just holding half these features for HOTS and the other half for LOTV, so that people will feel that paying the price of a full game is acceptable.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
February 03 2012 06:52 GMT
#198
On February 03 2012 13:21 Belial88 wrote:
I really couldn't care less.

I think blizzard has done an extremely good job on what matters - providing a damn good game.

I think their focus has been extremely good - not only have they released a great game, a fun game, but a fairly well balanced and designed game, and they have focused their post-game efforts on balancing the game and releasing new maps and hosting high quality tournaments. I'd much rather watch a blizzon invitational tournament, or get a new balance patch, or a set of maps, or a new ladder season, then get a new UI, or analyzer, or chat.

Like I really could care less about chat, for one. I have a phone to call friends, and a forum to visit to discuss the game, and no game has an in-game chat system better than an online forum. This isn't world of warcraft, and I'm not a roleplayer that wants to pretend to be a waitress in the game.

I want a good game, and blizzard's focus on this game's balance, maps, and HOTS, is correct. Blizzard is doing an excellent job, and as a result of their focus on game balance and map design than chat and clan support and stupid tags, this game is much better.

Like really. Who cares about chat or clan tags. How is that anywhere near as awesome as this game, or the ladder system? I could give a rat's ass about chat. I would not pay an extra dollar to sit in a chat channel, but I will pay money for new units, new maps, new balance patches.

Let's just make it so you can't even chat to your opponents in game, and no one can contact you while you are playing. That way you can get a FULLY immersed experience and focus exclusively on the beauty of the game design and balance. Socializing while playing games? Fuck that!
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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 03 2012 06:56 GMT
#199
Yep. I pretty much agree fully with the OP.

Even leaving aside my BW elitism, SC2 is a massive failure. I'm utterly bored by both it, and every custom game i've ever played. This from Blizzard's formerly biggest fan.

It's not even like they couldn't implement these things. There's no good reason, and the game suffers massively for it. It's fucking disappointing, but there you are.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 03 2012 07:11 GMT
#200
Already made a thread about online tournaments 1 years ago on the Blizzard forums. It doesn't help. Blizzard doesn't care = I don't care.

Blizzard makes good games, but only WoW had the privilege to become a 10 times better game since release. (And then I am talking about cross servers, dungeon finder, interface, added content)
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