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Canada13406 Posts
On June 26 2016 06:38 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 06:36 Redox wrote:On June 26 2016 06:34 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:31 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2016 06:29 Rebs wrote:
And this gentleman is why Croatia wasnt trying for 115 mins lololol Yeah I'm sad. I wished it would have been on a dumb freekick or penalties and not a counter because Croatia were trying something at the end. Still Croatia did jack shit. Well the way I see it , you have to be willing to handle some counters and take some chances over 90 minutes. If you are going to wait till 115 to start gambling, that is extremely naive and way riskier. So what Portugal did the same. And just because they scored the goal you think they had some master plan lol. Game could have gone either way. But Portugal never intended to attack. They were fine going to penalties and wait for a counter attack. Portugal at no point in that game gambled. So no they didn do the same lol.. I didnt say it was a master plan, it was just a plan, the same plan Norther Ireland used, the same Plan Wales used against England, the same plan most teams that dont trust themselves against superior attacking teams tend to use.
Yeah I agree.
If your entire plan is to defend and counter, and both teams are playing cautious in the midfield to avoid an all out counter, why would you choose to ditch the game plan in the last 10 minutes?
If you commit to a line of play you should stick to it. If they felt they couldn't win penalties they should have tried that kind of attack much sooner but they didn't. Instead they wait until they have a clock fighting them in extra time to change their plan.
Should have attacked from at least the 2nd half if they decided to change it up tbh.
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Awwww. Cakir to ref Italy-Spain.....
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On June 26 2016 06:36 OtherWorld wrote:
I cannot believe it
Croatia beat Spain with a B team and was the most impressive team in the group stage
Here for some reason with their full A team they're anemic and play worse than Northen Ireland, then wake up five minutes before the end, and just at the moment it becomes critical not to make defensive mistakes on counterattacks, they make two mistakes in the same action
are you sure? i dont think that was the case.
their game vs spain was good no question there but they won because de gea made a big mistake and not because they had so many chances to score a goal. their game vs the czech was decent but they almost collapsed at the end vs one of the worst teams in this euro
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On June 26 2016 06:43 TRAP[yoo] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 06:36 OtherWorld wrote:
I cannot believe it
Croatia beat Spain with a B team and was the most impressive team in the group stage
Here for some reason with their full A team they're anemic and play worse than Northen Ireland, then wake up five minutes before the end, and just at the moment it becomes critical not to make defensive mistakes on counterattacks, they make two mistakes in the same action are you sure? i dont think that was the case. their game vs spain was good no question there but they won because de gea made a big mistake and not because they had so many chances to score a goal. their game vs the czech was decent but they almost collapsed at the end vs one of the worst teams in this euro
Their group stage games were not exceptional, but I don't think any other team played better tbh.
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I predicted 4-0 for Germany for tomorrow, god it will be so wrong. I'm sure after this terrible game.
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On June 26 2016 06:42 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 06:38 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:36 Redox wrote:On June 26 2016 06:34 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:31 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2016 06:29 Rebs wrote:
And this gentleman is why Croatia wasnt trying for 115 mins lololol Yeah I'm sad. I wished it would have been on a dumb freekick or penalties and not a counter because Croatia were trying something at the end. Still Croatia did jack shit. Well the way I see it , you have to be willing to handle some counters and take some chances over 90 minutes. If you are going to wait till 115 to start gambling, that is extremely naive and way riskier. So what Portugal did the same. And just because they scored the goal you think they had some master plan lol. Game could have gone either way. But Portugal never intended to attack. They were fine going to penalties and wait for a counter attack. Portugal at no point in that game gambled. So no they didn do the same lol.. I didnt say it was a master plan, it was just a plan, the same plan Norther Ireland used, the same Plan Wales used against England, the same plan most teams that dont trust themselves against superior attacking teams tend to use. Yeah I agree. If your entire plan is to defend and counter, and both teams are playing cautious in the midfield to avoid an all out counter, why would you choose to ditch the game plan in the last 10 minutes? If you commit to a line of play you should stick to it. If they felt they couldn't win penalties they should have tried that kind of attack much sooner but they didn't. Instead they wait until they have a clock fighting them in extra time to change their plan. Should have attacked from at least the 2nd half if they decided to change it up tbh.
Honestly I thought they would. Generally when teams like Spain or Barca etc are hitting a wall these days they will make sure to be solid and let their front 3-4 do some testing to see how heavy and deep the marking is and then after they get some reads talk about it halftime nad then like 10-15 mins into the half you make your adjustments and shift gears for 20 or so minutes and try to get ahead + Show Spoiler +(Pep teams are different, he goes full throttle minute one no fucks given)
But again the other thing I think Croatia suffered from was that when their star players were getting marked out of the game, the support group was getting space but not offering enough quality. Strinic, Vida and Srna were especially guilty of wasting some really nice oppurtunities to either break and force the issue or just put some quality in the box, and even when they did there was no one there, so that might be a bit of a moot point.
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On June 26 2016 06:38 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 06:36 Redox wrote:On June 26 2016 06:34 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:31 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2016 06:29 Rebs wrote:
And this gentleman is why Croatia wasnt trying for 115 mins lololol Yeah I'm sad. I wished it would have been on a dumb freekick or penalties and not a counter because Croatia were trying something at the end. Still Croatia did jack shit. Well the way I see it , you have to be willing to handle some counters and take some chances over 90 minutes. If you are going to wait till 115 to start gambling, that is extremely naive and way riskier. So what Portugal did the same. And just because they scored the goal you think they had some master plan lol. Game could have gone either way. But Portugal never intended to attack. They were fine going to penalties and wait for a counter attack. Portugal at no point in that game gambled. So no they didn do the same lol.. I didnt say it was a master plan, it was just a plan, the same plan Norther Ireland used, the same Plan Wales used against England, the same plan most teams that dont trust themselves against superior attacking teams tend to use.
You said "Well the way I see it , you have to be willing to handle some counters and take some chances over 90 minutes." Obviously Portugal did not do that, but won regardless.
And then you say "Portugal at no point in that game gambled." and also "They were fine going to penalties". How is waiting for penalties not gambling? You clearly have a double standard judging the play of the 2 teams here.
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On June 26 2016 06:48 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 06:38 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:36 Redox wrote:On June 26 2016 06:34 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:31 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2016 06:29 Rebs wrote:
And this gentleman is why Croatia wasnt trying for 115 mins lololol Yeah I'm sad. I wished it would have been on a dumb freekick or penalties and not a counter because Croatia were trying something at the end. Still Croatia did jack shit. Well the way I see it , you have to be willing to handle some counters and take some chances over 90 minutes. If you are going to wait till 115 to start gambling, that is extremely naive and way riskier. So what Portugal did the same. And just because they scored the goal you think they had some master plan lol. Game could have gone either way. But Portugal never intended to attack. They were fine going to penalties and wait for a counter attack. Portugal at no point in that game gambled. So no they didn do the same lol.. I didnt say it was a master plan, it was just a plan, the same plan Norther Ireland used, the same Plan Wales used against England, the same plan most teams that dont trust themselves against superior attacking teams tend to use. You said "Well the way I see it , you have to be willing to handle some counters and take some chances over 90 minutes." Obviously Portugal did not do that, but won regardless. And then you say "Portugal at no point in that game gambled." and also "They were fine going to penalties". How is waiting for penalties not gambling? You clearly have a double standard judging the play of the 2 teams here.
tch, I was speaking for Croatia's approach to the game specifically. We were talking about Croatia, You brought up Portugal so I explained Portugal to you.
I have a double standard for judging the way the two teams played beacuse theyre approach to the game was different. I cant believe this lol..
Also absolutely waiting for Penalties is a gamble to. But they have already decided that they will play not to lose in regulation and try their luck at pens. The lack of urgency in their place is evidence of this. Honestly Im not going to bother. Im not here to provide a tactics lesson to people. If you cant figure it out, fine I have double standards.
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On June 26 2016 06:46 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 06:43 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On June 26 2016 06:36 OtherWorld wrote:
I cannot believe it
Croatia beat Spain with a B team and was the most impressive team in the group stage
Here for some reason with their full A team they're anemic and play worse than Northen Ireland, then wake up five minutes before the end, and just at the moment it becomes critical not to make defensive mistakes on counterattacks, they make two mistakes in the same action are you sure? i dont think that was the case. their game vs spain was good no question there but they won because de gea made a big mistake and not because they had so many chances to score a goal. their game vs the czech was decent but they almost collapsed at the end vs one of the worst teams in this euro Their group stage games were not exceptional, but I don't think any other team played better tbh.
ya no team was that impressive imo
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On June 26 2016 06:49 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 06:48 Redox wrote:On June 26 2016 06:38 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:36 Redox wrote:On June 26 2016 06:34 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:31 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2016 06:29 Rebs wrote:
And this gentleman is why Croatia wasnt trying for 115 mins lololol Yeah I'm sad. I wished it would have been on a dumb freekick or penalties and not a counter because Croatia were trying something at the end. Still Croatia did jack shit. Well the way I see it , you have to be willing to handle some counters and take some chances over 90 minutes. If you are going to wait till 115 to start gambling, that is extremely naive and way riskier. So what Portugal did the same. And just because they scored the goal you think they had some master plan lol. Game could have gone either way. But Portugal never intended to attack. They were fine going to penalties and wait for a counter attack. Portugal at no point in that game gambled. So no they didn do the same lol.. I didnt say it was a master plan, it was just a plan, the same plan Norther Ireland used, the same Plan Wales used against England, the same plan most teams that dont trust themselves against superior attacking teams tend to use. You said "Well the way I see it , you have to be willing to handle some counters and take some chances over 90 minutes." Obviously Portugal did not do that, but won regardless. And then you say "Portugal at no point in that game gambled." and also "They were fine going to penalties". How is waiting for penalties not gambling? You clearly have a double standard judging the play of the 2 teams here. tch, I was speaking for Croatia's approach to the game specifically. We were talking about Croatia, You brought up Portugal so I explained Portugal to you.
Question still remains why you judge both teams differently and why you say 1 team has to do one thing but when the other does the same its a fail. Its the good old judging from score in hindsight.
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On June 26 2016 06:52 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 06:49 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:48 Redox wrote:On June 26 2016 06:38 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:36 Redox wrote:On June 26 2016 06:34 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:31 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2016 06:29 Rebs wrote:
And this gentleman is why Croatia wasnt trying for 115 mins lololol Yeah I'm sad. I wished it would have been on a dumb freekick or penalties and not a counter because Croatia were trying something at the end. Still Croatia did jack shit. Well the way I see it , you have to be willing to handle some counters and take some chances over 90 minutes. If you are going to wait till 115 to start gambling, that is extremely naive and way riskier. So what Portugal did the same. And just because they scored the goal you think they had some master plan lol. Game could have gone either way. But Portugal never intended to attack. They were fine going to penalties and wait for a counter attack. Portugal at no point in that game gambled. So no they didn do the same lol.. I didnt say it was a master plan, it was just a plan, the same plan Norther Ireland used, the same Plan Wales used against England, the same plan most teams that dont trust themselves against superior attacking teams tend to use. You said "Well the way I see it , you have to be willing to handle some counters and take some chances over 90 minutes." Obviously Portugal did not do that, but won regardless. And then you say "Portugal at no point in that game gambled." and also "They were fine going to penalties". How is waiting for penalties not gambling? You clearly have a double standard judging the play of the 2 teams here. tch, I was speaking for Croatia's approach to the game specifically. We were talking about Croatia, You brought up Portugal so I explained Portugal to you. Question still remains why you judge both teams differently and why you say 1 team has to do one thing but when the other does the same its a fail. Its the good old judging from score in hindsight.
This is getting stupid. I am not going to explain football to you. Even Sharkie gets it. Ask him.
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Switzerland and Croatia were both unlucky to lose against very defensive opponents in 2 nervy affairs, it happens in football.
Poland at least played a good first half, but if Derdiyok takes one of the 2 chances in extra time, they couldn't complain. Same with Portugal, if Perisic scores that header it's over and no one outside of Portugal would lose sleep over it.
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On June 26 2016 06:54 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 06:52 Redox wrote:On June 26 2016 06:49 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:48 Redox wrote:On June 26 2016 06:38 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:36 Redox wrote:On June 26 2016 06:34 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:31 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2016 06:29 Rebs wrote:
And this gentleman is why Croatia wasnt trying for 115 mins lololol Yeah I'm sad. I wished it would have been on a dumb freekick or penalties and not a counter because Croatia were trying something at the end. Still Croatia did jack shit. Well the way I see it , you have to be willing to handle some counters and take some chances over 90 minutes. If you are going to wait till 115 to start gambling, that is extremely naive and way riskier. So what Portugal did the same. And just because they scored the goal you think they had some master plan lol. Game could have gone either way. But Portugal never intended to attack. They were fine going to penalties and wait for a counter attack. Portugal at no point in that game gambled. So no they didn do the same lol.. I didnt say it was a master plan, it was just a plan, the same plan Norther Ireland used, the same Plan Wales used against England, the same plan most teams that dont trust themselves against superior attacking teams tend to use. You said "Well the way I see it , you have to be willing to handle some counters and take some chances over 90 minutes." Obviously Portugal did not do that, but won regardless. And then you say "Portugal at no point in that game gambled." and also "They were fine going to penalties". How is waiting for penalties not gambling? You clearly have a double standard judging the play of the 2 teams here. tch, I was speaking for Croatia's approach to the game specifically. We were talking about Croatia, You brought up Portugal so I explained Portugal to you. Question still remains why you judge both teams differently and why you say 1 team has to do one thing but when the other does the same its a fail. Its the good old judging from score in hindsight. This is getting stupid. I am not going to explain football to you. Even Sharkie gets it. Ask him.
I fully agree on your analysis of this game heh
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On June 26 2016 06:55 Maenander wrote:
Switzerland and Croatia were both unlucky to lose against very defensive opponents, it happens in football.
Poland at least played a good first half, but if Derdiyok takes one of the 2 chances in extra time, they couldn't complain. Same with Portugal, if Perisic scores that header it's over and no one outside of Portugal would shed a single tear.
You know what bothered me about the Poland Swiss game was that Poland started of really hot and were outplaying the Swiss pretty hard, and as soon as they got the goal they fell into the age old, keep your lead hole and Swiss grew into the game to the point that Pole's went panic mode and couldnt recover their bearings.
I hope they dont do it in the next game.
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On June 26 2016 06:57 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 06:55 Maenander wrote:
Switzerland and Croatia were both unlucky to lose against very defensive opponents, it happens in football.
Poland at least played a good first half, but if Derdiyok takes one of the 2 chances in extra time, they couldn't complain. Same with Portugal, if Perisic scores that header it's over and no one outside of Portugal would shed a single tear. You know what bothered me about the Poland Swiss game was that Poland started of really hot and were outplaying the Swiss pretty hard, and as soon as they got the goal they fell into the age old, keep your lead hole and Swiss grew into the game to the point that Pole's went panic mode and couldnt recover their bearings. I hope they dont do it in the next game.
I think panic at this stage is very natural, a lot of these teams have the first chance in ages to accomplish something in international football.
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#RenatoPlus10
Yet again a lackluster game from Portugal. Ronaldo didn't do anything all game. The defense was more or less, and Renato was the beast he normally is!
Carrega Portugal!
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On June 26 2016 06:55 Maenander wrote:
Switzerland and Croatia were both unlucky to lose against very defensive opponents in 2 nervy affairs, it happens in football.
Poland at least played a good first half, but if Derdiyok takes one of the 2 chances in extra time, they couldn't complain. Same with Portugal, if Perisic scores that header it's over and no one outside of Portugal would shed a single tear.
You underestimate my people's propensity for crying. (Edit: sorry misread)
I disagree with these analyses. Croatia never threatened and control of the game was evenly shared. Plus, should have been a penalty on Nani earlier on and that would've made the game a lot more fun.
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Pandemona
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On June 26 2016 06:59 bObaZ wrote:
#RenatoPlus10
Yet again a lackluster game from Portugal. Ronaldo didn't do anything all game. The defense was more or less, and Renato was the beast he normally is!
Carrega Portugal!
Can you get a flipping manager who plays Gomes and Renato together?! Jesus
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On June 26 2016 07:01 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 06:59 bObaZ wrote:
#RenatoPlus10
Yet again a lackluster game from Portugal. Ronaldo didn't do anything all game. The defense was more or less, and Renato was the beast he normally is!
Carrega Portugal! Can you get a flipping manager who plays Gomes and Renato together?! Jesus
Man that kid still cant pass.. Ronaldo nearly popped half a dozen veins when he messed up through balls on what could have been decent counters. And they were really straightforward too.
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