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Canada13427 Posts
On June 26 2016 06:52 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 06:49 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:48 Redox wrote:On June 26 2016 06:38 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:36 Redox wrote:On June 26 2016 06:34 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:31 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2016 06:29 Rebs wrote:
And this gentleman is why Croatia wasnt trying for 115 mins lololol Yeah I'm sad. I wished it would have been on a dumb freekick or penalties and not a counter because Croatia were trying something at the end. Still Croatia did jack shit. Well the way I see it , you have to be willing to handle some counters and take some chances over 90 minutes. If you are going to wait till 115 to start gambling, that is extremely naive and way riskier. So what Portugal did the same. And just because they scored the goal you think they had some master plan lol. Game could have gone either way. But Portugal never intended to attack. They were fine going to penalties and wait for a counter attack. Portugal at no point in that game gambled. So no they didn do the same lol.. I didnt say it was a master plan, it was just a plan, the same plan Norther Ireland used, the same Plan Wales used against England, the same plan most teams that dont trust themselves against superior attacking teams tend to use. You said "Well the way I see it , you have to be willing to handle some counters and take some chances over 90 minutes." Obviously Portugal did not do that, but won regardless. And then you say "Portugal at no point in that game gambled." and also "They were fine going to penalties". How is waiting for penalties not gambling? You clearly have a double standard judging the play of the 2 teams here. tch, I was speaking for Croatia's approach to the game specifically. We were talking about Croatia, You brought up Portugal so I explained Portugal to you. Question still remains why you judge both teams differently and why you say 1 team has to do one thing but when the other does the same its a fail. Its the good old judging from score in hindsight.
The difference comes in the fact that croatia got impatient and threw their gameplan out the window in the last 10 minutes. A change in strategy shouldnt happen at the 105 mark. Portugal didnt change their approach all game. Croatia did open themselves up more and take greater risks towards the end when itbwas still 0'0. They could have kept playing the slow pressure game forcing corners like they had in the othwr 110 mins of te game but they didnt. They threw the flanks in hard and pushed up their defensive midfield and got punished after losing the ball.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On June 26 2016 07:03 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 07:01 Pandemona wrote:On June 26 2016 06:59 bObaZ wrote:
#RenatoPlus10
Yet again a lackluster game from Portugal. Ronaldo didn't do anything all game. The defense was more or less, and Renato was the beast he normally is!
Carrega Portugal! Can you get a flipping manager who plays Gomes and Renato together?! Jesus Man that kid still cant pass.. Ronaldo nearly popped half a dozen veins when he messed up through balls on what could have been decent counters. And they were really straightforward too.
Whilst i agree i saw some of those, however surely you play these wonder kids over the likes of Joao Mario who i think is flippin awful! Some of the kids of Portugal are very good, use them bed them in for the future tournaments.
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On June 26 2016 07:05 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 07:03 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 07:01 Pandemona wrote:On June 26 2016 06:59 bObaZ wrote:
#RenatoPlus10
Yet again a lackluster game from Portugal. Ronaldo didn't do anything all game. The defense was more or less, and Renato was the beast he normally is!
Carrega Portugal! Can you get a flipping manager who plays Gomes and Renato together?! Jesus Man that kid still cant pass.. Ronaldo nearly popped half a dozen veins when he messed up through balls on what could have been decent counters. And they were really straightforward too. Whilst i agree i saw some of those, however surely you play these wonder kids over the likes of Joao Mario who i think is flippin awful! Some of the kids of Portugal are very good, use them bed them in for the future tournaments.
Moutinho ?
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On June 26 2016 07:03 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 06:52 Redox wrote:On June 26 2016 06:49 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:48 Redox wrote:On June 26 2016 06:38 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:36 Redox wrote:On June 26 2016 06:34 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:31 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2016 06:29 Rebs wrote:
And this gentleman is why Croatia wasnt trying for 115 mins lololol Yeah I'm sad. I wished it would have been on a dumb freekick or penalties and not a counter because Croatia were trying something at the end. Still Croatia did jack shit. Well the way I see it , you have to be willing to handle some counters and take some chances over 90 minutes. If you are going to wait till 115 to start gambling, that is extremely naive and way riskier. So what Portugal did the same. And just because they scored the goal you think they had some master plan lol. Game could have gone either way. But Portugal never intended to attack. They were fine going to penalties and wait for a counter attack. Portugal at no point in that game gambled. So no they didn do the same lol.. I didnt say it was a master plan, it was just a plan, the same plan Norther Ireland used, the same Plan Wales used against England, the same plan most teams that dont trust themselves against superior attacking teams tend to use. You said "Well the way I see it , you have to be willing to handle some counters and take some chances over 90 minutes." Obviously Portugal did not do that, but won regardless. And then you say "Portugal at no point in that game gambled." and also "They were fine going to penalties". How is waiting for penalties not gambling? You clearly have a double standard judging the play of the 2 teams here. tch, I was speaking for Croatia's approach to the game specifically. We were talking about Croatia, You brought up Portugal so I explained Portugal to you. Question still remains why you judge both teams differently and why you say 1 team has to do one thing but when the other does the same its a fail. Its the good old judging from score in hindsight. The difference comes in the fact that croatia got impatient and threw their gameplan out the window in the last 10 minutes. A change in strategy shouldnt happen at the 105 mark. Portugal didnt change their approach all game. Croatia did open themselves up more and take greater risks towards the end when itbwas still 0'0. They could have kept playing the slow pressure game forcing corners like they had in the othwr 110 mins of te game but they didnt. They threw the flanks in hard and pushed up their defensive midfield and got punished after losing the ball.
And they could have easily been rewarded for their choice of strategy. If they felt their chances were better than 50-50, e.g. 60-40, to score the first goal in a more open game in the last 10 minutes, it's better to take that risk than to play a safe game and go for penalties.
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On June 26 2016 07:06 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 07:05 Pandemona wrote:On June 26 2016 07:03 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 07:01 Pandemona wrote:On June 26 2016 06:59 bObaZ wrote:
#RenatoPlus10
Yet again a lackluster game from Portugal. Ronaldo didn't do anything all game. The defense was more or less, and Renato was the beast he normally is!
Carrega Portugal! Can you get a flipping manager who plays Gomes and Renato together?! Jesus Man that kid still cant pass.. Ronaldo nearly popped half a dozen veins when he messed up through balls on what could have been decent counters. And they were really straightforward too. Whilst i agree i saw some of those, however surely you play these wonder kids over the likes of Joao Mario who i think is flippin awful! Some of the kids of Portugal are very good, use them bed them in for the future tournaments. Moutinho ?
He wasn't physically fit for this game. Renato does miss some pases but he's more than made up for it with the pace he imprints on the game and the huge area of the pitch he's able to cover and physically dominate.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On June 26 2016 07:06 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 07:05 Pandemona wrote:On June 26 2016 07:03 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 07:01 Pandemona wrote:On June 26 2016 06:59 bObaZ wrote:
#RenatoPlus10
Yet again a lackluster game from Portugal. Ronaldo didn't do anything all game. The defense was more or less, and Renato was the beast he normally is!
Carrega Portugal! Can you get a flipping manager who plays Gomes and Renato together?! Jesus Man that kid still cant pass.. Ronaldo nearly popped half a dozen veins when he messed up through balls on what could have been decent counters. And they were really straightforward too. Whilst i agree i saw some of those, however surely you play these wonder kids over the likes of Joao Mario who i think is flippin awful! Some of the kids of Portugal are very good, use them bed them in for the future tournaments. Moutinho ?
Well he ruined his career wasting it away in France, but they have youngsters; like Renato and Gomes who should be starting but surely a 4-3-3 works better for them as well. Carvalho Gomes Renato - Nani Quaresma Ronaldo and then you have better future with that middle 3. I don't know just my version of what i see of them
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On June 26 2016 07:06 NukeD wrote:
As a proud Croat all I will say is that im glad we lost this fucking game and i spit on this piece of shit country that is falling apart
chill my friend
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Id still play Moutinho though.. I think hes decent, hes definately not as good as he could have been but he is on average better than the options they have. They can use the beast kid as an impact sub, that makes sense to me.
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Canada13427 Posts
On June 26 2016 07:08 Maenander wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 07:03 ZeromuS wrote:On June 26 2016 06:52 Redox wrote:On June 26 2016 06:49 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:48 Redox wrote:On June 26 2016 06:38 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:36 Redox wrote:On June 26 2016 06:34 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 06:31 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2016 06:29 Rebs wrote:
And this gentleman is why Croatia wasnt trying for 115 mins lololol Yeah I'm sad. I wished it would have been on a dumb freekick or penalties and not a counter because Croatia were trying something at the end. Still Croatia did jack shit. Well the way I see it , you have to be willing to handle some counters and take some chances over 90 minutes. If you are going to wait till 115 to start gambling, that is extremely naive and way riskier. So what Portugal did the same. And just because they scored the goal you think they had some master plan lol. Game could have gone either way. But Portugal never intended to attack. They were fine going to penalties and wait for a counter attack. Portugal at no point in that game gambled. So no they didn do the same lol.. I didnt say it was a master plan, it was just a plan, the same plan Norther Ireland used, the same Plan Wales used against England, the same plan most teams that dont trust themselves against superior attacking teams tend to use. You said "Well the way I see it , you have to be willing to handle some counters and take some chances over 90 minutes." Obviously Portugal did not do that, but won regardless. And then you say "Portugal at no point in that game gambled." and also "They were fine going to penalties". How is waiting for penalties not gambling? You clearly have a double standard judging the play of the 2 teams here. tch, I was speaking for Croatia's approach to the game specifically. We were talking about Croatia, You brought up Portugal so I explained Portugal to you. Question still remains why you judge both teams differently and why you say 1 team has to do one thing but when the other does the same its a fail. Its the good old judging from score in hindsight. The difference comes in the fact that croatia got impatient and threw their gameplan out the window in the last 10 minutes. A change in strategy shouldnt happen at the 105 mark. Portugal didnt change their approach all game. Croatia did open themselves up more and take greater risks towards the end when itbwas still 0'0. They could have kept playing the slow pressure game forcing corners like they had in the othwr 110 mins of te game but they didnt. They threw the flanks in hard and pushed up their defensive midfield and got punished after losing the ball. And they could have easily been rewarded for their choice of strategy. If they felt their chances were better than 50-50, e.g. 60-40, to score the first goal in a more open game in the last 10 minutes, it's better to take that risk than to play a safe game and go for penalties.
I offer a counterpoint that if they felt they could do better in an open game they are better off at least trying to open it up once in a while in the 110 mins prior with fresher legs. Especially considering they appeared much more tired than Portugal did.
I still think they were better off forcing more corners and not just throwing the ball behind the net and giving Portugal goal kicks. They were doing well forcing corners earlier, it sucks nothing came of it but they did do it. I still think it was a tactical error to take that line of play as late in the game as they did ESPECIALLY when you consider they made this change while having zero shots on goal.
If they had some quality opportunities earlier I could understand turning up the pressure at the end, but they didn't.
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On June 26 2016 07:03 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 07:01 Pandemona wrote:On June 26 2016 06:59 bObaZ wrote:
#RenatoPlus10
Yet again a lackluster game from Portugal. Ronaldo didn't do anything all game. The defense was more or less, and Renato was the beast he normally is!
Carrega Portugal! Can you get a flipping manager who plays Gomes and Renato together?! Jesus Man that kid still cant pass.. Ronaldo nearly popped half a dozen veins when he messed up through balls on what could have been decent counters. And they were really straightforward too.
If he could pass better he would be the freakin best player in the world.
You can't have it all
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Canada13427 Posts
On June 26 2016 07:17 bObaZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 07:03 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 07:01 Pandemona wrote:On June 26 2016 06:59 bObaZ wrote:
#RenatoPlus10
Yet again a lackluster game from Portugal. Ronaldo didn't do anything all game. The defense was more or less, and Renato was the beast he normally is!
Carrega Portugal! Can you get a flipping manager who plays Gomes and Renato together?! Jesus Man that kid still cant pass.. Ronaldo nearly popped half a dozen veins when he messed up through balls on what could have been decent counters. And they were really straightforward too. If he could pass better he would be the freakin best player in the world. You can't have it all
He's 18. He needs more experience at the higher international level of play to really clean up his passing. In a few years if he can get better at passing (doesnt need to be perfect, just a bit better) and he'll be even better.
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On June 26 2016 07:17 bObaZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 07:03 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 07:01 Pandemona wrote:On June 26 2016 06:59 bObaZ wrote:
#RenatoPlus10
Yet again a lackluster game from Portugal. Ronaldo didn't do anything all game. The defense was more or less, and Renato was the beast he normally is!
Carrega Portugal! Can you get a flipping manager who plays Gomes and Renato together?! Jesus Man that kid still cant pass.. Ronaldo nearly popped half a dozen veins when he messed up through balls on what could have been decent counters. And they were really straightforward too. If he could pass better he would be the freakin best player in the world. You can't have it all
Fair enough.. but hes just a kid, I like to think you can. Im not asking him to turn into a Xavi or Iniesta, but atleast something above a level that doesnt make a Sunday league coach lose his shit.
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On June 26 2016 07:18 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 07:17 bObaZ wrote:On June 26 2016 07:03 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 07:01 Pandemona wrote:On June 26 2016 06:59 bObaZ wrote:
#RenatoPlus10
Yet again a lackluster game from Portugal. Ronaldo didn't do anything all game. The defense was more or less, and Renato was the beast he normally is!
Carrega Portugal! Can you get a flipping manager who plays Gomes and Renato together?! Jesus Man that kid still cant pass.. Ronaldo nearly popped half a dozen veins when he messed up through balls on what could have been decent counters. And they were really straightforward too. If he could pass better he would be the freakin best player in the world. You can't have it all He's 18. He needs more experience at the higher international level of play to really clean up his passing. In a few years if he can get better at passing (doesnt need to be perfect, just a bit better) and he'll be even better.
Experience is such a bullshit catch all phrase nowadays. Qualoty is there regardless of age. Ajax of '95 were almost all young yet they owned all of Europe.
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Portugal still haven't won a game in 90 mins  (although they haven't been beat either I guess)
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On June 26 2016 10:09 don_kyuhote wrote:Portugal still haven't won a game in 90 mins (although they haven't been beat either I guess)
Yeah my prediction still stands :D They'll be the first to win a euro without winning a single game.
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Portugal winning Euro? Come on ^_^
There gonna be a huge surprise if it comes to top2 teams. Go Poland, go Hungary ^_^
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The Portugal games have been atypical thus far. If you look at individual player quality you'd say our odds of reaching the finals are not bad at all. I think our midfield hasn't really gelled yet. Starting with Renato Sanches would help but Fernando Santos is afraid that his exuberance would result in compromising positioning and passing errors that could result in chances for the other side.
Overall I think this 4-4-2 with two wingers upfront can only go so far. It would need a midfield creating chances and Moutinho does not shoot, is declining and a light weight, André Gomes has been awkward, João Mário seemingly only plays well for a second tier Portuguese team and Adrien is inconsequent in the last third of the pitch. It's no wonder Portugal always upped the level when Quaresma and Sanches came into the midfield.
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I am very sad after yesterday, but I blame our coach who was given that job by our mafia boss. We knew he would cause us to fail and he did. Fuck, at this point I wish the fans would have caused Croatia to be kicked out of EURO instead.
Now the mafia in charge are going to just say "bad luck" and it is going to be business as usual. And another generation is going to be ruined by crap leadership in our football federation...
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On June 26 2016 18:20 warding wrote:
The Portugal games have been atypical thus far. If you look at individual player quality you'd say our odds of reaching the finals are not bad at all. I think our midfield hasn't really gelled yet. Starting with Renato Sanches would help but Fernando Santos is afraid that his exuberance would result in compromising positioning and passing errors that could result in chances for the other side.
Overall I think this 4-4-2 with two wingers upfront can only go so far. It would need a midfield creating chances and Moutinho does not shoot, is declining and a light weight, André Gomes has been awkward, João Mário seemingly only plays well for a second tier Portuguese team and Adrien is inconsequent in the last third of the pitch. It's no wonder Portugal always upped the level when Quaresma and Sanches came into the midfield.
yeah it's freaking terrible. Ronaldo and Nani just don't play like a traditional tandem at all, the Nani goal against Hungary was the only time they found each other I think. Ronaldo's tendency to drift inside or in scoring positions means little width too. I was looking at the movement of Ronaldo and Nani most of the time and their runs also created very little space for midfield runs too, instead you have Andre Gomes or Joao Mario drift to side which I don't think is what you want. Honestly in this kind of a 4-4-2 you just need a traditional striker I feel, someone who is willing to make runs for space and width or just stop with the 4-4-2 and play 4-3-3 with Quaresma which is just endlessly better.
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