On the topic of NA-KR lag... - Page 13

On March 28 2011 01:46 lowkontrast wrote:


400-450 ping is fine, though borderline, for an RTS.

An FPS, on the other hand...

On March 28 2011 01:46 lowkontrast wrote:


400-450 ping is fine, though borderline, for an RTS.

An FPS, on the other hand...

On March 27 2011 15:00 Comadevil wrote:


Read his post: He didn't say that. He mentioned only Korea. And Korea has one of the best internet infrastructure in the world

On March 28 2011 02:42 citi.zen wrote:
People need to talk more about preparation and less about lag, so this post was really refreshing. I did not see much mis-micro from Genius for example: his force fields were solid, storms seemed fine, etc. He just got tactically outplayed over the course of the game by a hard working qxc, who never stopped dropping, using reapers and generally responded well to Genius' army mix. He made enough ghosts, didn't over produce vikings, etc. On the other side, Genius made a few questionable decissions as to when to push/pull back and seemed to not expand when he had the opportunity to do so. Perhaps some of this was due to general discomfort, blame it on whatever you'd like, but in the end Genius lost because his strategy on this particular day was lacking.

On March 28 2011 02:42 citi.zen wrote:
People need to talk more about preparation and less about lag, so this post was really refreshing. I did not see much mis-micro from Genius for example: his force fields were solid, storms seemed fine, etc. He just got tactically outplayed over the course of the game by a hard working qxc, who never stopped dropping, using reapers and generally responded well to Genius' army mix. He made enough ghosts, didn't over produce vikings, etc. On the other side, Genius made a few questionable decissions as to when to push/pull back and seemed to not expand when he had the opportunity to do so. Perhaps some of this was due to general discomfort, blame it on whatever you'd like, but in the end Genius lost because his strategy on this particular day was lacking.

On March 28 2011 00:59 R1CH wrote:
This two second lag that keeps getting brought up is an obvious exaggeration, the game would freeze to sync if there was really that much latency involved. While I can't speak for every player, I know the connection from New York to Korea is 240ms. Bnet US is in California, so subtract 70ms from this for approximate good condition Bnet US to KR latency. Please stop with the hyperbole.

Regarding the earthquake that people think has affected connections, it is true that some routes were affected and the re-routing was less than optimal, causing 600+ms latency over affected routes. To the best of my knowledge, the affected routes were only affected for a period of several days shortly after the quake, during which time no TSL games were played. In addition, 600ms is borderline unplayable and would have hopefully been brought up during any testing.

On March 27 2011 23:29 Waxangel wrote:
I don't think this is in any way the final word on the NA-KR lag issue, but it's good to have a balancing opinion from someone who says KR-NA is definitely playable against those who claim it's some incredible disadvantage that makes master leaguers lose to people in silver.

The truth is, we don't know exactly what kind of conditions the players were playing under. We know NA-KR lag can range from quite playable to downright horrendous, but trying to guess where it fell through VODs of a game is fruitless and pointless speculation.

What I can say though, is that TSL players were offered the opportunity to delay their game and play on a different connection if they found the lag to be unplayable. As a last resort, we offered anyone to play at the oGs-TL house where we had confirmation from TL players that the lag was definitely in the playable range. Of the Korean players, only Nada (who does not normally reside at the oGs house) chose to exercise this option. Everyone else showed up, and just played their game.

On March 28 2011 03:15 tyCe wrote:

So we know that the Koreans played with, at most, 250ms latency, which is like an Australian playing on the NA server. Hm, last time I checked, Australians played without incessant bitching. Maybe the Korean professional gamers should have actually prepared for the conditions like any reasonable athlete or taken advantage for each of the extra options graciously extended to them by TL.

Time to STFU imo.

On March 28 2011 02:42 citi.zen wrote:
People need to talk more about preparation and less about lag, so this post was really refreshing. I did not see much mis-micro from Genius for example: his force fields were solid, storms seemed fine, etc. He just got tactically outplayed over the course of the game by a hard working qxc, who never stopped dropping, using reapers and generally responded well to Genius' army mix. He made enough ghosts, didn't over produce vikings, etc. On the other side, Genius made a few questionable decissions as to when to push/pull back and seemed to not expand when he had the opportunity to do so. Perhaps some of this was due to general discomfort, blame it on whatever you'd like, but in the end Genius lost because his strategy on this particular day was lacking.