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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-21 20:07:54
July 21 2019 19:40 GMT
#61181
I was honestly suprised he was perm banned. I thought you'll be keeping him around forever. I wrote a bunch of stuff arguing that he had no place on TL.
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
July 22 2019 01:59 GMT
#61182
That guy sucked
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Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
July 22 2019 08:35 GMT
#61183
On July 21 2019 22:50 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Much as I disagreed with xDaunt on virtually everything, I do feel a bit saddened our liberal-progressive adversary is gone. He kept US Pol interesting, to say the least.
There was a time where I'd agree with you, but for the last while the tone of his posts had become incredibly toxic and negative. He would constantly talk down to everyone while refusing to answer simple questions or justify his increasingly unbelievable claims in any way (process crimes aren't crimes, lies are not necessarily lies. Stuff like that). He frequently derailed constructive discussions to the detriment of the thread. When he would respond to those questioning him, it would never be in a productive way. For example, he would either find some tiny tidbit in a post to nitpick or he would answer a question you didn't ask in an attempt to divert away from the actual topic at hand. It once took Kwark roughly 6 responses to get xDaunt to actually answer a question, and the answer he gave turned out to be that his opinion wasn't actually based on anything. In doing this he basically shut down all discussion in the thread for multiple pages for no reason. This type of thing happened multiple times per week. It became clear to me just how harmful xDaunt was to the thread when last time he was temp banned, not only were there several constructive, inclusive conversations that had multiple viewpoints, but a bunch of other posters I hadn't seem post in a long time had started to post again, and discussion became much more lively.

The initial ban note says it all:
xDaunt was just temp banned for 30 days by EvilTeletubby.

That account was created on 2010-03-05 03:09:59 and had 17732 posts.

Reason: Holy shit your posting is toxic and about as counter-productive to worthwhile discussion as you can make it.

I really don't care about your political beliefs, but I do care about your horrible attitude towards others. You're dismissive of any other point of view without actually having a discussion around why. The "I'm right, you're wrong" mentality is not what we care to see around here. You're actively discouraging critical thinking.

Your recent posting and moderation history here is complete trash. This isn't a permanent because we do respect tenure here, but god damn. Chill out and step away from the PC if you're not going to add anything.
Since coming back from his last ban his posts had become much more extreme. He recently had used a racist nickname for one of the presidential candidates during the debates, expressed agreement with the substance of some tweets generally regarded as being openly racist and around the same time said some pretty eyebrow-raising things about some ethnic minority political figures that could fairly easily be interpreted as bigoted:
On July 19 2019 01:16 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2019 01:11 farvacola wrote:
She is an American and you and your folks’ tactic to deAmericanize her is a tactic as old as this country. You’d be marching in the street for Prohibition right alongside the KKK, you’re in great company.

I'm not so sure that she's going to be an American for long. And beyond that, I have zero patience for incorporating people into the American tent who hate the tent. The same goes for the other politicians who hate America, like AOC. These are people who need to be ridiculed, humiliated, and marginalized.

User was temp banned for this post.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-22 09:00:08
July 22 2019 08:59 GMT
#61184
Is that a 2nd time that a TL writer turns out to be a far-right extremist?

Surprised this one didn't play a game where you shoot terrorists.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
SirJolt
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
the Dagon Knight4011 Posts
July 22 2019 12:43 GMT
#61185
On July 22 2019 17:59 Ej_ wrote:
Is that a 2nd time that a TL writer turns out to be a far-right extremist?

Surprised this one didn't play a game where you shoot terrorists.


Just out of curiosity, who was the first?
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10315 Posts
July 22 2019 13:17 GMT
#61186
On July 22 2019 21:43 SirJolt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2019 17:59 Ej_ wrote:
Is that a 2nd time that a TL writer turns out to be a far-right extremist?

Surprised this one didn't play a game where you shoot terrorists.


Just out of curiosity, who was the first?

amazingxkcd
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
July 22 2019 15:49 GMT
#61187
You wouldn't find his posts anymore. He was purged soviet style. His face has been cropped out of all newspapers and all records expunged.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
July 22 2019 15:50 GMT
#61188
And yet, some of us still remember....
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23930 Posts
July 22 2019 19:23 GMT
#61189
On July 23 2019 00:50 farvacola wrote:
And yet, some of us still remember....


I had forgotten, ironic huh?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26758 Posts
July 22 2019 23:41 GMT
#61190
On July 22 2019 17:35 Ben... wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2019 22:50 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Much as I disagreed with xDaunt on virtually everything, I do feel a bit saddened our liberal-progressive adversary is gone. He kept US Pol interesting, to say the least.
There was a time where I'd agree with you, but for the last while the tone of his posts had become incredibly toxic and negative. He would constantly talk down to everyone while refusing to answer simple questions or justify his increasingly unbelievable claims in any way (process crimes aren't crimes, lies are not necessarily lies. Stuff like that). He frequently derailed constructive discussions to the detriment of the thread. When he would respond to those questioning him, it would never be in a productive way. For example, he would either find some tiny tidbit in a post to nitpick or he would answer a question you didn't ask in an attempt to divert away from the actual topic at hand. It once took Kwark roughly 6 responses to get xDaunt to actually answer a question, and the answer he gave turned out to be that his opinion wasn't actually based on anything. In doing this he basically shut down all discussion in the thread for multiple pages for no reason. This type of thing happened multiple times per week. It became clear to me just how harmful xDaunt was to the thread when last time he was temp banned, not only were there several constructive, inclusive conversations that had multiple viewpoints, but a bunch of other posters I hadn't seem post in a long time had started to post again, and discussion became much more lively.

The initial ban note says it all:
Show nested quote +
xDaunt was just temp banned for 30 days by EvilTeletubby.

That account was created on 2010-03-05 03:09:59 and had 17732 posts.

Reason: Holy shit your posting is toxic and about as counter-productive to worthwhile discussion as you can make it.

I really don't care about your political beliefs, but I do care about your horrible attitude towards others. You're dismissive of any other point of view without actually having a discussion around why. The "I'm right, you're wrong" mentality is not what we care to see around here. You're actively discouraging critical thinking.

Your recent posting and moderation history here is complete trash. This isn't a permanent because we do respect tenure here, but god damn. Chill out and step away from the PC if you're not going to add anything.
Since coming back from his last ban his posts had become much more extreme. He recently had used a racist nickname for one of the presidential candidates during the debates, expressed agreement with the substance of some tweets generally regarded as being openly racist and around the same time said some pretty eyebrow-raising things about some ethnic minority political figures that could fairly easily be interpreted as bigoted:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2019 01:16 xDaunt wrote:
On July 19 2019 01:11 farvacola wrote:
She is an American and you and your folks’ tactic to deAmericanize her is a tactic as old as this country. You’d be marching in the street for Prohibition right alongside the KKK, you’re in great company.

I'm not so sure that she's going to be an American for long. And beyond that, I have zero patience for incorporating people into the American tent who hate the tent. The same goes for the other politicians who hate America, like AOC. These are people who need to be ridiculed, humiliated, and marginalized.

User was temp banned for this post.

I met a lot of Daunts in my time in certain corners of the internet. I preferred to go talk to folks of the right and find what makes them tick, rather than be told by others what they think. Met plenty of interesting and reasonable folks in my travels.

Met plenty who I initially liked and had interesting discussions with who just seemed to gradually retrench into positions and rhetoric that were so skewed and to my mind ultimately irrational that I couldn’t have the kind of conversations I used to enjoy with them any more.

Daunt seemed to gradually go further down that rabbit hole, was a pity to me as I enjoyed his contributions back in the day.

Even the thing you quote being a case in point, AOC can’t hate the tent, Trump can run a hat saying ‘Make America Great Again’ with the obvious message that it isn’t currently great and that’s fine.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
July 23 2019 05:34 GMT
#61191
On July 22 2019 17:35 Ben... wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2019 22:50 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Much as I disagreed with xDaunt on virtually everything, I do feel a bit saddened our liberal-progressive adversary is gone. He kept US Pol interesting, to say the least.
There was a time where I'd agree with you, but for the last while the tone of his posts had become incredibly toxic and negative. He would constantly talk down to everyone while refusing to answer simple questions or justify his increasingly unbelievable claims in any way (process crimes aren't crimes, lies are not necessarily lies. Stuff like that). He frequently derailed constructive discussions to the detriment of the thread. When he would respond to those questioning him, it would never be in a productive way. For example, he would either find some tiny tidbit in a post to nitpick or he would answer a question you didn't ask in an attempt to divert away from the actual topic at hand. It once took Kwark roughly 6 responses to get xDaunt to actually answer a question, and the answer he gave turned out to be that his opinion wasn't actually based on anything. In doing this he basically shut down all discussion in the thread for multiple pages for no reason. This type of thing happened multiple times per week. It became clear to me just how harmful xDaunt was to the thread when last time he was temp banned, not only were there several constructive, inclusive conversations that had multiple viewpoints, but a bunch of other posters I hadn't seem post in a long time had started to post again, and discussion became much more lively.

The initial ban note says it all:
Show nested quote +
xDaunt was just temp banned for 30 days by EvilTeletubby.

That account was created on 2010-03-05 03:09:59 and had 17732 posts.

Reason: Holy shit your posting is toxic and about as counter-productive to worthwhile discussion as you can make it.

I really don't care about your political beliefs, but I do care about your horrible attitude towards others. You're dismissive of any other point of view without actually having a discussion around why. The "I'm right, you're wrong" mentality is not what we care to see around here. You're actively discouraging critical thinking.

Your recent posting and moderation history here is complete trash. This isn't a permanent because we do respect tenure here, but god damn. Chill out and step away from the PC if you're not going to add anything.
Since coming back from his last ban his posts had become much more extreme. He recently had used a racist nickname for one of the presidential candidates during the debates, expressed agreement with the substance of some tweets generally regarded as being openly racist and around the same time said some pretty eyebrow-raising things about some ethnic minority political figures that could fairly easily be interpreted as bigoted:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2019 01:16 xDaunt wrote:
On July 19 2019 01:11 farvacola wrote:
She is an American and you and your folks’ tactic to deAmericanize her is a tactic as old as this country. You’d be marching in the street for Prohibition right alongside the KKK, you’re in great company.

I'm not so sure that she's going to be an American for long. And beyond that, I have zero patience for incorporating people into the American tent who hate the tent. The same goes for the other politicians who hate America, like AOC. These are people who need to be ridiculed, humiliated, and marginalized.

User was temp banned for this post.


It's unfortunate that the behavior you're describing has become so common online when discussing any kind of American politics. It's becoming so increasingly polarizing that even in a forum like this it's becoming almost impossible to have real discussions.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12451 Posts
July 23 2019 11:23 GMT
#61192
One of the issues with american (but not only) politics is that we keep talking about the polarization of discourse, like it's our fault as speakers, when it's the position of the parties that are getting more polar. XDaunt may have thought what he thought for a while but it wouldn't have been apparent if he didn't have to defend all the shit from the Trump admin every day
No will to live, no wish to die
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
July 23 2019 20:36 GMT
#61193
it's natural for some to see AOC as anti-american.. i think this is a completely valid opinion. but no one 'deserves' to be 'marginalized' because of his/her opinion. ironic, really. the whole idea of the USA is no group or person is to be marginalized. well at least since like 1980 O_O
get rich or die mining
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fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-23 23:10:55
July 23 2019 21:50 GMT
#61194
where is an opisska when you need one?

i wouldn't mind a week off please, thank you for your time <3

User was temp banned for this post.
"not enough rights"
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26758 Posts
July 23 2019 22:29 GMT
#61195
On July 23 2019 20:23 Nebuchad wrote:
One of the issues with american (but not only) politics is that we keep talking about the polarization of discourse, like it's our fault as speakers, when it's the position of the parties that are getting more polar. XDaunt may have thought what he thought for a while but it wouldn't have been apparent if he didn't have to defend all the shit from the Trump admin every day

I feel it’s more a bottom-up phenomenon than a top-down one personally, if the wider populace didn’t have an appetite to sustain it and feed the flames it wouldn’t be nearly as pronounced.

Daunt, as many others have ended up tied up in knots defending a man with no real consistent political principles who is pretty damn erratic to boot, but that’s a choice one makes in tethering themselves to an individual over political positions and whatnot.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-03 21:48:15
August 03 2019 21:47 GMT
#61196
Can i please bother you for another week off.. mmm no check that .. that seems boring.. borderline lame
mmm?! make that two then!

thank you for your time
and your great work on the site <3

User was temp banned for this post.
"not enough rights"
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
August 05 2019 11:05 GMT
#61197
On August 04 2019 06:47 fluidrone wrote:
Can i please bother you for another week off.. mmm no check that .. that seems boring.. borderline lame
mmm?! make that two then!

thank you for your time
and your great work on the site <3

User was temp banned for this post.


One of the most unbelievable things to read on this website is fluidrone's post count. Yeah, I know this is by far not his first account, but still it's amazing that he has managed to make such a big impact in 1400 posts.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-05 12:16:38
August 05 2019 12:15 GMT
#61198
How would you measure impact? He makes no impact at all. He has changed no one's opinion or outlook on any particular subject. The most you can say is that he makes posts where people may talk about himself, due to his deliberately unreadable typing.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
August 05 2019 14:40 GMT
#61199
On August 05 2019 21:15 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
How would you measure impact? He makes no impact at all. He has changed no one's opinion or outlook on any particular subject. The most you can say is that he makes posts where people may talk about himself, due to his deliberately unreadable typing.


Well there are two sides to it: he is definitely well known, literally every mildly frequent visitor recognizes him. That's what I meant - name any other poster with sub 2000 posts who is so publicly known here.

As to your post itself, I must say that he definitely influenced me personally. The point of human interaction isn't to immediately reverse the opinion of the other person, how frequently does that happen? But some of my interactions with him influenced my thoughts - granted some of that is also due to PMs, not just public posts. I think that when it comes to fluidrone posts, it is totally up to the reader how much do they want to take away from them - surely if you are not willing to put in any effort, you will always get stuck at the "incomprehensible drivel" level, but it's not all that is to it. I am quite certain he is not just a stupid troll typing nonsense to annoy people, he is just a very complex person.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
August 05 2019 14:48 GMT
#61200
He wrote that he writes this way because he enjoys seeing the reactions of people trying to make sense of him. *Shrugs.
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