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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
December 26 2018 15:12 GMT
#60661
On December 26 2018 23:34 Cryoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2018 22:19 The_Templar wrote:
On December 26 2018 19:15 Cryoc wrote:
I was wondering how is fouad2500 an adbot? His posts don't look like it to me.

this post is copy-pasted from here and this post is copy-pasted from here. It's becoming pretty common for adbots to do this.

Oh wow, I see. Thanks for the info. I almost thought the adbots are already so smart to put these posts together on their own, but I guess not yet.

I'm only going to start getting worried once people develop a better model than Markov chains. Right now, all the bots either spout nonsense or follow the same formula.
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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3132 Posts
December 27 2018 18:22 GMT
#60662
SC-Shield was banned. Is he the same Shield that made alt accounts with names insulting tofucake? He really seemed dedicated to making alts back then.
Artosis loves Starcraft
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
December 28 2018 13:06 GMT
#60663
On December 26 2018 22:19 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2018 19:15 Cryoc wrote:
I was wondering how is fouad2500 an adbot? His posts don't look like it to me.

this post is copy-pasted from here and this post is copy-pasted from here. It's becoming pretty common for adbots to do this.

Wow that's pretty clever. Not as clever as this bot that one time managed to make complete starcraft related sentences from whatever algorithm it used though.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
December 28 2018 13:28 GMT
#60664
On December 28 2018 22:06 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2018 22:19 The_Templar wrote:
On December 26 2018 19:15 Cryoc wrote:
I was wondering how is fouad2500 an adbot? His posts don't look like it to me.

this post is copy-pasted from here and this post is copy-pasted from here. It's becoming pretty common for adbots to do this.

Wow that's pretty clever. Not as clever as this bot that one time managed to make complete starcraft related sentences from whatever algorithm it used though.

Are you talking about fluidrone? He is not a bot
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
December 28 2018 17:05 GMT
#60665
On December 27 2018 00:12 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2018 23:34 Cryoc wrote:
On December 26 2018 22:19 The_Templar wrote:
On December 26 2018 19:15 Cryoc wrote:
I was wondering how is fouad2500 an adbot? His posts don't look like it to me.

this post is copy-pasted from here and this post is copy-pasted from here. It's becoming pretty common for adbots to do this.

Oh wow, I see. Thanks for the info. I almost thought the adbots are already so smart to put these posts together on their own, but I guess not yet.

I'm only going to start getting worried once people develop a better model than Markov chains. Right now, all the bots either spout nonsense or follow the same formula.

well if it's more intelligent than markov chaining it's probably a functional AI, lol. markov chaining has also drastically increased in effectiveness in the past decade because of increasing computing power
TL+ Member
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-28 17:35:02
December 28 2018 17:34 GMT
#60666
On December 27 2018 00:12 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2018 23:34 Cryoc wrote:
On December 26 2018 22:19 The_Templar wrote:
On December 26 2018 19:15 Cryoc wrote:
I was wondering how is fouad2500 an adbot? His posts don't look like it to me.

this post is copy-pasted from here and this post is copy-pasted from here. It's becoming pretty common for adbots to do this.

Oh wow, I see. Thanks for the info. I almost thought the adbots are already so smart to put these posts together on their own, but I guess not yet.

I'm only going to start getting worried once people develop a better model than Markov chains. Right now, all the bots either spout nonsense or follow the same formula.

I'm so tempted to throw a bunch of avilo posts into a Markov chain text generator and see what it comes up with. It'd probably be pretty funny and not that far off from the real thing.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-28 18:40:26
December 28 2018 18:37 GMT
#60667
On December 28 2018 22:28 Cokefreak wrote:


I am refering to
On September 12 2018 04:50 roger12 wrote:
I will look for the heavy pressure before the midgame and without grabbing the 3rd cc. I hope this will be good for the game. [...] will suggest stimless macro opening.

User was banned for this post.


https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/536693-tvp-macro-strategy#15

If you didn't play SC2 or was a noob, the advice looks totally legitimate.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10314 Posts
December 28 2018 19:02 GMT
#60668
On December 29 2018 02:34 Ben... wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2018 00:12 The_Templar wrote:
On December 26 2018 23:34 Cryoc wrote:
On December 26 2018 22:19 The_Templar wrote:
On December 26 2018 19:15 Cryoc wrote:
I was wondering how is fouad2500 an adbot? His posts don't look like it to me.

this post is copy-pasted from here and this post is copy-pasted from here. It's becoming pretty common for adbots to do this.

Oh wow, I see. Thanks for the info. I almost thought the adbots are already so smart to put these posts together on their own, but I guess not yet.

I'm only going to start getting worried once people develop a better model than Markov chains. Right now, all the bots either spout nonsense or follow the same formula.

I'm so tempted to throw a bunch of avilo posts into a Markov chain text generator and see what it comes up with. It'd probably be pretty funny and not that far off from the real thing.

Please do it. Make an account avilo2 and just post with it. See how many people believe.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-29 18:53:04
December 29 2018 14:49 GMT
#60669
--- Nuked ---
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
January 02 2019 20:25 GMT
#60670
MS published their source for Tay, maybe use that?
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
January 03 2019 18:31 GMT
#60671
I now imagine myself In twenty years, siting in a cave hiding from the AI overlords roaming the planet, telling the children the stories about how we first saw the AI getting ahead of us in the form of TL.net adbots.

The fact that they can make posts that are so hard to tell apart is more of a testament to the quality of the common TL post than the advances in AI though.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13995 Posts
January 03 2019 18:45 GMT
#60672
On December 28 2018 22:28 Cokefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2018 22:06 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On December 26 2018 22:19 The_Templar wrote:
On December 26 2018 19:15 Cryoc wrote:
I was wondering how is fouad2500 an adbot? His posts don't look like it to me.

this post is copy-pasted from here and this post is copy-pasted from here. It's becoming pretty common for adbots to do this.

Wow that's pretty clever. Not as clever as this bot that one time managed to make complete starcraft related sentences from whatever algorithm it used though.

Are you talking about fluidrone? He is not a bot

You sure?
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23902 Posts
January 03 2019 18:50 GMT
#60673
On January 04 2019 03:31 opisska wrote:
I now imagine myself In twenty years, siting in a cave hiding from the AI overlords roaming the planet, telling the children the stories about how we first saw the AI getting ahead of us in the form of TL.net adbots.

The fact that they can make posts that are so hard to tell apart is more of a testament to the quality of the common TL post than the advances in AI though.


We're calling it "The Inversion" for now but we're not particularly attached to it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
January 03 2019 19:14 GMT
#60674
On January 04 2019 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2019 03:31 opisska wrote:
I now imagine myself In twenty years, siting in a cave hiding from the AI overlords roaming the planet, telling the children the stories about how we first saw the AI getting ahead of us in the form of TL.net adbots.

The fact that they can make posts that are so hard to tell apart is more of a testament to the quality of the common TL post than the advances in AI though.


We're calling it "The Inversion" for now but we're not particularly attached to it.


I had no idea what you mean, so I googled "The Inversion". After skipping the obvious meteorology, the first link was https://www.rooshv.com/the-inversion-agenda. I must admit to having read most of it in a single sitting of constant awe. Are people really this insane? And why are people this insane on the first Google page for a relatively innocent term with plenty of science-related uses?

So, thank you for broadening my horizons. I am also now more leaning towards actually rooting for the AI ...

"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23902 Posts
January 03 2019 19:26 GMT
#60675
On January 04 2019 04:14 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2019 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On January 04 2019 03:31 opisska wrote:
I now imagine myself In twenty years, siting in a cave hiding from the AI overlords roaming the planet, telling the children the stories about how we first saw the AI getting ahead of us in the form of TL.net adbots.

The fact that they can make posts that are so hard to tell apart is more of a testament to the quality of the common TL post than the advances in AI though.


We're calling it "The Inversion" for now but we're not particularly attached to it.


I had no idea what you mean, so I googled "The Inversion". After skipping the obvious meteorology, the first link was https://www.rooshv.com/the-inversion-agenda. I must admit to having read most of it in a single sitting of constant awe. Are people really this insane? And why are people this insane on the first Google page for a relatively innocent term with plenty of science-related uses?

So, thank you for broadening my horizons. I am also now more leaning towards actually rooting for the AI ...



jfc! Not what I was referencing at all lol.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
January 03 2019 19:41 GMT
#60676
On January 04 2019 04:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2019 04:14 opisska wrote:
On January 04 2019 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On January 04 2019 03:31 opisska wrote:
I now imagine myself In twenty years, siting in a cave hiding from the AI overlords roaming the planet, telling the children the stories about how we first saw the AI getting ahead of us in the form of TL.net adbots.

The fact that they can make posts that are so hard to tell apart is more of a testament to the quality of the common TL post than the advances in AI though.


We're calling it "The Inversion" for now but we're not particularly attached to it.


I had no idea what you mean, so I googled "The Inversion". After skipping the obvious meteorology, the first link was https://www.rooshv.com/the-inversion-agenda. I must admit to having read most of it in a single sitting of constant awe. Are people really this insane? And why are people this insane on the first Google page for a relatively innocent term with plenty of science-related uses?

So, thank you for broadening my horizons. I am also now more leaning towards actually rooting for the AI ...



jfc! Not what I was referencing at all lol.




... so high that employees feared an inflection point after which YouTube’s systems for detecting fraudulent traffic would begin to regard bot traffic as real and human traffic as fake. They called this hypothetical event “the Inversion.”


OMG that is nearly as great as that other thing
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
January 04 2019 01:57 GMT
#60677
So apparently Jimmy read his last ban as instructions to start "Aggressive Head-Canon" the Thread?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 04 2019 15:59 GMT
#60678
--- Nuked ---
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17485 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-04 16:57:09
January 04 2019 16:37 GMT
#60679
On January 04 2019 10:57 WolfintheSheep wrote:
So apparently Jimmy read his last ban as instructions to start "Aggressive Head-Canon" the Thread?

its a pretty middle of the road perspective. i think Blizzard is still good but not great any longer. i don't see anything aggressive about it.

here is some boring, middle-of-the-road stuff. it is fact based though.
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/540389-the-games-industry-and-atvi#14

On January 05 2019 00:59 JimmiC wrote: He just usually tows the line to not get banned and the person he is fighting with eventually gets banned out of frustration or leaves the thread entirely.

Most people just talk around him for the most part and only engage at the extra stupid shit.

nah, my posts are ok. i think i've had 3, 2-day bans in 5 years. how many bans have you had in the past year?

On January 05 2019 00:59 JimmiC wrote: He just usually tows the line to not get banned

i follow the rules of the web site. that is bad?
if i want to post something silly and humourous related to software development or sports i do that elsewhere.

On January 05 2019 00:59 JimmiC wrote:
He just finally did it on a thread that mods constantly read so they got as frustrated with him as the rest of us.

i post plenty in the SC2 game threads. the mods read it. my sc2 posts are fine. pretty boring, middle-of-the-road stuff. i really like SC2 and that generates conflict with people who dislike SC2. meh.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28789 Posts
January 04 2019 16:54 GMT
#60680
that's not true at all. You have two pages of mod notes, one of those pages from before 2014 one of them after. for post-2014, that includes 8 bans (where 4 of them were 2 days, three of them 1 week and one 30 days) and 8 warnings.

And that doesn't include any alts that might have been axed in the same period
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