In the coming days we will have another change to TeamLiquid. We'll be adding in a new ad to the site on the right sidebar, in between where you see Live Events and Live Streams. We have always been a community first organization and want to give everyone a heads up and explain why this is a change we need to make.
We always strive to keep advertising as non-intrusive as possible on the site, and while this is more prominently placed than most of our other ad places, it is a necessity. The unfortunate truth is that running a website like ours is a difficult business because standard ads pay less as time goes on. We're also fighting a constantly rising rate of adblock, which for us now is around 55%.
As it stands, TeamLiquid is one of the very few sites that hasn't yet accepted this industry standard. Even looking around esports news and community sites, GosuGamers, joinDOTA, HLTV, and Smash Boards currently have an implementation of one of these and this will bring TL in line with what is largely accepted around the world, esports or not.
Running and maintaining a website is hard especially as a community effort. We don't like locking away features or content behind a pay wall, filling in our whole site background, or the idea of using the forums to collect and sell user data to marketing firms. An ad of this size and placing represents a significant portion of our advertising revenue that allows us to keep TeamLiquid a unique esports family.
We always make decisions with the community in mind; we only exist because of support from fans like you and the groups that call TeamLiquid their home. We don't take these decisions lightly and know this may be inconvenient for some, but hope you can understand our stance.
Go for it. I enjoy TL and will continue to enjoy it the same if I have to scroll a little more because of an ad. It's a sound business decision and if that means keeping TL running then so be it.
I have a confession that just due to the shittiness of Flash and limitations of both hardware and internet, I sometimes have to use adblock to prevent everything from lagging to shit because of Flash ads. I turn it off for normal browsing, but when I have twitch open I have to turn it on or everything lags horribly. Seriously, some of the ads that you see are just straight up videos that autoload. For someone who watches low on twitch to begin with, and has a toaster that can't handle too much stuff at the same time, this is a huge problem. I know this isn't TL's fault, but it is a big reason why some people are forced to use these sorts of things.
I turned ad block off for years. However, the pervasiveness of "meet an Asian hottie" ads required me to turn that on. I don't surf ANYWHERE where an SEO is going to pick that up. I will try to turn off Adblock again to support TL, but please refrain from such advertisers.
On October 02 2015 03:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I have a confession that just due to the shittiness of Flash and limitations of both hardware and internet, I sometimes have to use adblock to prevent everything from lagging to shit because of Flash ads. I turn it off for normal browsing, but when I have twitch open I have to turn it on or everything lags horribly. Seriously, some of the ads that you see are just straight up videos that autoload. For someone who watches low on twitch to begin with, and has a toaster that can't handle too much stuff at the same time, this is a huge problem. I know this isn't TL's fault, but it is a big reason why some people are forced to use these sorts of things.
This guy clearly does not like Lee Young Ho :/
On October 02 2015 02:46 lichter wrote: BURN EVERYTHING DOWN
I want to respectfully say ads are unwanted information. I don't want more. TL has been on the whitelist until this point, I'm afraid I will remove it from the list when this update drops.
If you need money for operational costs simply provide a donate button. If TL is all about the community then it should be us that make it work. The idea of "milking" your community members sometimes doesn't sit well with others but I'm okay with it. I'd much rather you relay on the community that makes this website instead of website organizers slowly putting in unwanted changes.
I turned off adblock for TL and when TL+ became available I bought it and didn't look back. I understand why people use adblock, and I use adblock, but when I think about the amount of value I get from teamliquid.net I feel like it's 100% worth turning off adblock or getting TL+
On October 02 2015 03:36 BingbingBOPOMOFO wrote: I want to respectfully say ads are unwanted information. I don't want more. TL has been on the whitelist until this point, I'm afraid I will remove it from the list when this update drops.
If you need money for operational costs simply provide a donate button. If TL is all about the community then it should be us that make it work. The idea of "milking" your community members sometimes doesn't sit well with others but I'm okay with it. I'd much rather you relay on the community that makes this website instead of website organizers slowly putting in unwanted changes.
Bingbing
TL+ exists, but not enough people buy it.
The fact of the matter is, TL requires a staff and requires servers and bandwidth, and these things literally cost money. If not enough people buy TL+ and 55% of people use adblock, then yes, TL will have to have a second ad. There's actually no way around this unless you can make more money appear somehow.
Things TL isn't doing:
gating content being bad using intrusive ads
Things TL is doing: providing many ways to support TL (store, TL+, seeing ads)
Adblock is off here for me because the ads are generally non-intrusive. Now if the ads are the tracking type then I'm going to turn them back on.
On October 02 2015 03:26 tritonice wrote: I turned ad block off for years. However, the pervasiveness of "meet an Asian hottie" ads required me to turn that on. I don't surf ANYWHERE where an SEO is going to pick that up. I will try to turn off Adblock again to support TL, but please refrain from such advertisers.
I don't think they get to choose. It's all based on your cookies and browsing history. I bet if you have an Instagram account and follow a lot of hot Asian girls, it's reflected here.
On October 02 2015 03:45 geokilla wrote: Adblock is off here for me because the ads are generally non-intrusive. Now if the ads are the tracking type then I'm going to turn them back on.
On October 02 2015 03:26 tritonice wrote: I turned ad block off for years. However, the pervasiveness of "meet an Asian hottie" ads required me to turn that on. I don't surf ANYWHERE where an SEO is going to pick that up. I will try to turn off Adblock again to support TL, but please refrain from such advertisers.
I don't think they get to choose. It's all based on your cookies and browsing history. I bet if you have an Instagram account and follow a lot of hot Asian girls, it's reflected here.
This is not the case, I've seen those ads on TL on library computers.
On October 02 2015 03:26 tritonice wrote: I turned ad block off for years. However, the pervasiveness of "meet an Asian hottie" ads required me to turn that on. I don't surf ANYWHERE where an SEO is going to pick that up. I will try to turn off Adblock again to support TL, but please refrain from such advertisers.
You can control your preferences for Google ads at least using https://www.google.com/settings/u/0/ads/authenticated?hl=en - turn off any dating / romance categories. We don't choose which ads are on our site or it'd be a full time job to sit there and approve ads all day, we rely on Google and other networks to pick ads it thinks are relevant.
On October 02 2015 03:26 tritonice wrote: I turned ad block off for years. However, the pervasiveness of "meet an Asian hottie" ads required me to turn that on. I don't surf ANYWHERE where an SEO is going to pick that up. I will try to turn off Adblock again to support TL, but please refrain from such advertisers.
You can control your preferences for Google ads at least using https://www.google.com/settings/u/0/ads/authenticated?hl=en - turn off any dating / romance categories. We don't choose which ads are on our site or it'd be a full time job to sit there and approve ads all day, we rely on Google and other networks to pick ads it thinks are relevant.
Maybe you can put that somewhere in the User Profile page or something? I never knew there was such a thing.
Man we rely on Google for everything! I wonder what would happen if we don't have a Google account or browse as a guest.
On October 02 2015 04:04 deth2munkies wrote: I had adblock off on this site until the loud, autoplaying adds started showing up a couple of months ago. That I just can't deal with.
On October 02 2015 03:45 Blazinghand wrote: I turned off adblock for TL and when TL+ became available I bought it and didn't look back. I understand why people use adblock, and I use adblock, but when I think about the amount of value I get from teamliquid.net I feel like it's 100% worth turning off adblock or getting TL+
On October 02 2015 03:36 BingbingBOPOMOFO wrote: I want to respectfully say ads are unwanted information. I don't want more. TL has been on the whitelist until this point, I'm afraid I will remove it from the list when this update drops.
If you need money for operational costs simply provide a donate button. If TL is all about the community then it should be us that make it work. The idea of "milking" your community members sometimes doesn't sit well with others but I'm okay with it. I'd much rather you relay on the community that makes this website instead of website organizers slowly putting in unwanted changes.
Bingbing
TL+ exists, but not enough people buy it.
The fact of the matter is, TL requires a staff and requires servers and bandwidth, and these things literally cost money. If not enough people buy TL+ and 55% of people use adblock, then yes, TL will have to have a second ad. There's actually no way around this unless you can make more money appear somehow.
Things TL isn't doing:
gating content being bad using intrusive ads
Things TL is doing: providing many ways to support TL (store, TL+, seeing ads)
Agreed. Quite frankly, buying TL+ is the least I can do to support a forum that I spend over an hour on pretty much every day. That's also why I buy a ton of stuff from the TL Store (besides the fact that the stuff looks frickin' awesome).
I understand the reasoning behind it but I remain with the 55%.
adblock was a gift for my 8 year old laptop. everything runs so much smoother because of less ads especially while on twitch. some other ads that appear on forums or sites that are similar to TL have sound or are so misleading that I casually click the wrong links and end up buying a czech espresso maker. I get confused easily. thats just my semi-honest reply to this honest thread. go coffee
On October 02 2015 02:51 BisuDagger wrote: Skip the fluff and give us the TL checking account number, and we can start depositing all our e-checks to the account.
I am officially a dumbass, I missed the TL+ announcement back whenever and haven't really thought much about what it might be.
Given that I love the site and lurk a lot without managing to actually contribute in any meaningful manner, and that TL+ actually is a lot cheaper than each of my billion Twitch channel subscriptions, well. Not that I have a problem with ads, and have never used adblock, but TL+ here I come!
Maybe you need more frequent ads for TL+ too, to remind more zombies like myself that it exists
While I am never really a fan of advertising, I think it was pretty respectable to make an actual post explaining it to the users instead of having ads just randomly appear. So thanks for that.
On October 02 2015 04:56 dAPhREAk wrote: unrelated question, if i have ad block on at the same time i own tl+, does it count towards the 55%?
It does not!
On October 02 2015 04:35 trada wrote: I understand the reasoning behind it but I remain with the 55%.
adblock was a gift for my 8 year old laptop. everything runs so much smoother because of less ads especially while on twitch. some other ads that appear on forums or sites that are similar to TL have sound or are so misleading that I casually click the wrong links and end up buying a czech espresso maker. I get confused easily. thats just my semi-honest reply to this honest thread. go coffee
Thanks for the honesty. We know ads suck, we don't make decisions like this lightly. Unfortunately there aren't viable alternatives but I do hope that the site can find those eventually. Until then, if you appreciate the work that we do and you have a spare $4 lying around consider grabbing TL+. It may not seem like you're helping out much, but you really are.
Unfortunately my wife doesn't want me to meet all these hot single russian/asian women near me. And before you ask yes those ads also show on HER computer so I'm pretty sure it is not my browsing history :D (I have all google tracking services JavaScripts disabled anyway)
I already have TL+ so won't bother me much, but it's understandable at this point.
There's a "Donate" button on TL, it's called TL+, and it makes the ads go away (while giving you access to that super secret dead forum, isn't that cool ).
Hope it turns out to help you while not being really detrimental to the browsing experience
I don't mind if sites advertise their own stuff on their site. I have zero use or want to see third party stuff. The latter isn't good advertising at all, it's an annoyance.
When I need to run a video on youtube to demonstrate something in the classroom, I cringe at having to use a browser without it. Things at max volume, commercials that have zero to do with the content, just a i will punish you for using it...and you think that gives a good feeling? Hm.
Once commercials began to appear within the production itself, about the products at hand...I had zero issues.
I like teamliquid a lot. They have to get a good chunck of change to do what they do. I don't mind a separator like this at all if it's esports related.
On October 02 2015 04:04 deth2munkies wrote: I had adblock off on this site until the loud, autoplaying adds started showing up a couple of months ago. That I just can't deal with.
On October 02 2015 03:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I have a confession that just due to the shittiness of Flash and limitations of both hardware and internet, I sometimes have to use adblock to prevent everything from lagging to shit because of Flash ads. I turn it off for normal browsing, but when I have twitch open I have to turn it on or everything lags horribly. Seriously, some of the ads that you see are just straight up videos that autoload. For someone who watches low on twitch to begin with, and has a toaster that can't handle too much stuff at the same time, this is a huge problem. I know this isn't TL's fault, but it is a big reason why some people are forced to use these sorts of things.
I have Flash set on click to activate. There are only a handful of sites where I bother to activate it. It speeds up browsing experience so much.
lol @ people trying to justify their use of adblock with some high-flying moral argument about ads. Just admit you're doing it to make things easier for yourself at the expense of the sites you visit. Honesty is good, even if you're admitting to bad things.
I turned off my adblock quite some time ago, but I don't see this ad yet. I just thought I'd mention it, if I'm supposed to see this already. If not, disregard this message.
On October 02 2015 08:45 Doodsmack wrote: lol @ people trying to justify their use of adblock with some high-flying moral argument about ads. Just admit you're doing it to make things easier for yourself at the expense of the sites you visit. Honesty is good, even if you're admitting to bad things.
Are there even people who justify using adblock without this argument?
I don't think using adblock is a 'bad' thing at all. Often on the internet, getting to your destination isn't just achieved by ignoring the ads beside the road and continuing your way (as would be when you travel by car). The ads are hitting your brakes or forcing you to take a detour. They might also mix ads through the music you're listening or something. If anything, the 'bad' people here are the people who made using adblock worth it using by ruining the ad business for the good sites (like tl). Just like football (or soccer) hooligans. The police isn't bad, the people who make the police necessary are bad.
Do you get money from ads displayed or just clicks? I don't mind having adblock disabled for sites like this, but is it for nothing as I've never clicked an ad and I'm quite sure I never will.
I don't see why anyone would need to use adblock on this site. I specifically go into adblock settings and put 'www.teamliquid.net' so that adblock is disabled while surfing this domain.
On October 02 2015 10:55 lichter wrote: I haven't seen Asian singles ads in a while I kinda miss them
Ya it's always shit I don't care about, like insurance companies and homes and stuff. At least Asian girls are nice to look at. I used to get ones for Indian and Muslim girls when I lived at my old apartment a lot too, which was weird.
On October 02 2015 10:55 lichter wrote: I haven't seen Asian singles ads in a while I kinda miss them
Ya it's always shit I don't care about, like insurance companies and homes and stuff. At least Asian girls are nice to look at. I used to get ones for Indian and Muslim girls when I lived at my old apartment a lot too, which was weird.
Just so you know I of course disable adblocking on TL, but I don't disable flashblock so I only see about half the ads. I'm sure there are a few people doing the same. I get there is probably nothing you can do about it.
I did re-enable adblock a few months back for a short time because of one particularly awful ad. Is there any place we can complain about particular ads?
Also for those running Adblock Plus, the new, more efficient game in town is called uBlock Origin. I'm reliably informed its better in every way. You should probably switch - just don't forget that TL exception!
On October 02 2015 12:13 Korakys wrote: Just so you know I of course disable adblocking on TL, but I don't disable flashblock so I only see about half the ads. I'm sure there are a few people doing the same. I get there is probably nothing you can do about it.
I did re-enable adblock a few months back for a short time because of one particularly awful ad. Is there any place we can complain about particular ads?
Also for those running Adblock Plus, the new, more efficient game in town is called uBlock Origin. I'm reliably informed its better in every way. You should probably switch - just don't forget that TL exception!
On October 02 2015 10:55 lichter wrote: I haven't seen Asian singles ads in a while I kinda miss them
Ya it's always shit I don't care about, like insurance companies and homes and stuff. At least Asian girls are nice to look at. I used to get ones for Indian and Muslim girls when I lived at my old apartment a lot too, which was weird.
I'm glad you don't have to see Indian and Muslim girls anymore, because like you say, they are definitely not nice to look at.
On October 02 2015 10:55 lichter wrote: I haven't seen Asian singles ads in a while I kinda miss them
Ya it's always shit I don't care about, like insurance companies and homes and stuff. At least Asian girls are nice to look at. I used to get ones for Indian and Muslim girls when I lived at my old apartment a lot too, which was weird.
I'm glad you don't have to see Indian and Muslim girls anymore, because like you say, they are definitely not nice to look at.
Hey, not what I meant, they were cute too. I'm just saying it was weird because I only ever got those kind when I lived in that specific place.
like many others, I forgot I hadn't switched it off on this pc haha. As for the ad, gotta do what you gotta do. small price to pay for all of the content and community we get.
On October 02 2015 10:55 lichter wrote: I haven't seen Asian singles ads in a while I kinda miss them
Ya it's always shit I don't care about, like insurance companies and homes and stuff. At least Asian girls are nice to look at. I used to get ones for Indian and Muslim girls when I lived at my old apartment a lot too, which was weird.
I'm glad you don't have to see Indian and Muslim girls anymore, because like you say, they are definitely not nice to look at.
Disabled my ad block. Even though my laptop runs a little slower now, it's totally worth it. Ever since I found TL, it's been my go to place for SC news. Find out what I need to know and investigate further elsewhere and find new things. Thanks to all for what you've done and all you're doing!
Is this the part where I complain about how TL is and has always been money hungry, that this is complete bullshit, and how dare you make money on the back of your trusted users, to whom you have been providing services for free for the past decade?
On October 02 2015 03:26 tritonice wrote: I turned ad block off for years. However, the pervasiveness of "meet an Asian hottie" ads required me to turn that on. I don't surf ANYWHERE where an SEO is going to pick that up. I will try to turn off Adblock again to support TL, but please refrain from such advertisers.
to at least a certain degree, team liquid ad inventory is actually sold on the open market, in real time, where pretty much anyone can bid on it to display an ad, so not displaying certain kinds of ads (unless they are violating certain rules) is not always an option.
Glad that you gave a heads up, but I will continue to use adblock (though I have purchased TL+ in the past), for the following reason:
In the BW days, there were no ads, and from what I remember, the number of users on TL at once hasn't changed much. The features offered seem more or less the same from what was in the past (minus liquipedia and bigger TL team), but I was under the impression that all, or at least most liquipedia positions were unpaid, and I wouldn't expect the forum website to be covering the cost of operation of the team, rather the sponsors like Razer would.
So that's the missing gap for me, it's not like the cost of servers magically increased 10 fold. So while I have nothing against TL being a business, and when there's opportunity to make money in relatively innocent ways, to make that money... But I don't see why it's something that's necessary when it wasn't necessary in the past.
Not trying to start some big debate, just sharing my thoughts, I still have respect (if that's the right term here), for the people who white list TL, I just prefer the cleaner experience since it's something that I don't feel is a necessity for the site to survive (due to my point above).
edit: Also not exactly fair giving examples of the most ad-filled gaming websites, versus common ones like reddit, steam forums, playdota.com, dotadev, dotafire, dotabuff... Actually I just went through like the first 8 links with a google search "dota 2 forums", and all the websites had less ads than TL, so it's kind of misleading. Like sure, there's less ads than on sketchy porn and news sites, but certainly, when comparing gaming communities, TL is above the curve in terms of number of ads (or at the very least on the curve), so playing the "hasn't accepted the industry standard" card is kind of a low blow.
On October 02 2015 16:30 FiWiFaKi wrote: Glad that you gave a heads up, but I will continue to use adblock (though I have purchased TL+ in the past), for the following reason:
In the BW days, there were no ads, and from what I remember, the number of users on TL at once hasn't changed much. The features offered seem more or less the same from what was in the past (minus liquipedia and bigger TL team), but I was under the impression that all, or at least most liquipedia positions were unpaid, and I wouldn't expect the forum website to be covering the cost of operation of the team, rather the sponsors like Razer would.
Actually, in the BW days we had the standard two ads (the banner add, add below right sidebar) AND we used to have an ad below the first post in every thread for users who weren't logged in. TL has always been supported by advertising. Unfortunately I can't show you this using the internet archive because the ads don't load there, but perhaps someone has a screenshot lying around.
So that's the missing gap for me, it's not like the cost of servers magically increased 10 fold. So while I have nothing against TL being a business, and when there's opportunity to make money in relatively innocent ways, to make that money... But I don't see why it's something that's necessary when it wasn't necessary in the past.
The cost of servers/bandwidth did increase significantly from the BW days though. We have somewhere between x3-10 the traffic we did pre-SC2 launch. But also in that time ad block became more prevalent, so despite getting a lot more traffic we weren't seeing the same proportional returns on the ads. It was enough to sustain TL from a volunteer point of view, but when you start paying critical staff (like R1CH and so on) ads struggle to cover it.
Ok Ok Ok, but WHY does TL not have a donation button? Yeah there is TL+, yes you got a shop, but you already provide an awesome place in the internet, and you wouldn't force anyone to use such button, but maybe some would prefer to give back in that manner?
Maybe be completely irrelephant
Yearly TL-Kickstarter to keep the site free, with awesome ingame portrait from Blizz as reward like for BTTV's it's aboot time?
I won't pay for TL if I don't have to. I would if I needed to for strategy guides, liquipedia, or tournament previews / threads though. There are charities lining up at my door who are more deserving of my money than a starcraft website, so if I'm going to be selfish and spend money for my own satisfaction why would I give it to you when I can already get it for free? Why wouldn't I buy a better PC, or buy better stuff for my kids, or get a newer car? Extreme examples, but if I gave $20 to every single entity that offered me convenience I'd be so damn broke I'd not be on the internet to complain about it.
Why not host ads on behalf of your sponsors and have them built into the website? I've never understood why the reliance on a third party to provide the ads when surely you can expect a greater investment from your sponsors when their products / services are guaranteed to be viewed by every person using the site. Hard-code them to the site and ask for more.
On October 02 2015 09:24 sagi wrote: Do you get money from ads displayed or just clicks? I don't mind having adblock disabled for sites like this, but is it for nothing as I've never clicked an ad and I'm quite sure I never will.
Most networks pay per view so even if you don't click it still helps.
On October 02 2015 09:24 sagi wrote: Do you get money from ads displayed or just clicks? I don't mind having adblock disabled for sites like this, but is it for nothing as I've never clicked an ad and I'm quite sure I never will.
Most networks pay per view so even if you don't click it still helps.
speaking of which, is there a way to disable flash ads? those freeze my pc and my laptop up. Normal banners are fine for me
Really overwhelming support everyone, thanks for the kind words.
On October 02 2015 20:21 ThunderBum wrote: Why not host ads on behalf of your sponsors and have them built into the website? I've never understood why the reliance on a third party to provide the ads when surely you can expect a greater investment from your sponsors when their products / services are guaranteed to be viewed by every person using the site. Hard-code them to the site and ask for more.
Because logistically it's more complex than just showing a picture. People doing advertising target certain locations so it only shows up based on region, want to track themselves how many times it is viewed (as opposed to relying on us telling them), and know when it is clicked and under what condition. These things aren't possible with hard coding. You do occasionally see this on twitch streams now because those issues don't apply in content shown on streams.
TeamLiquid is one of the few sites I have whitelisted. Can you do us a favor though and only have the ad up if the item being advertised is in stock? ^_^
I have contributed in my own way to TL since i joined it in 2011. Appreciate TL very much and i am very happy that you have made it what it is. Its a great place first of all because people give and make something grow toghether, and everybody is allowed to speak as long as it is in a civilized matter. I know there are many people who contributed much more than me, and even support it economically other than their time, energy and effort. Mods, Coders, Liquipedians, organizers, writers, video editors, translators, musicians, posters, just to name a few.
I could afford to pay 30 euros a year. That being said, i believe in my own eyes i have earned the right to view TL adless, troughout my small contribuitions, mainly organizing tournaments and pointing people to the TL community and explainig to them how it is great and they can find many stratiegies and other useful things for bw. I understand the need to generate revenue for costs and staff, and plus its a great thing in life to work for a living doing what you love to do.
I will also add that i believe you are going the wrong way with this. What are you going to do in another 3 years when you face another situation like this, add another banner? I turned off ad-block to see what it looks like. Ads have always been on the losing side of advertizement. They are not cost efficient and annoy people to no end. The main reason is that even if you collect all the data in the world, it is still computer generated , and a computer has to date never been able to understand what a human being wants or needs. Its not cost efficient, like building battlecruisers in a TvP. If you take a look at the hardware threads, like headphones, computer build, screens and such, you would see that many users buy products based upon reviews of other or suggestions. This is not trackable or provable, nut i believe it to be so. It is a form of adverizement that is much more Human and therefore more people are drawn to it. An interesting example of something similar is social advertizing. Because the way these ads work now, all i want to do is ignore them and get to the content i am interested in. If, instead, ads where based on new things and games or products people used and where fond about, then i would maybe spend my time clicking and looking at what they have to say, because they would have some kind of appeal, and maybe i' m looking for that anyway. the ads i see here are the same as any other website, even if you claim otherwise. This as far as i am concerned.
If you want to do things different than the general e-sports websites or other general websites, Then you must come up with different solutions. Its not easy at all yeah, but being original isn' t easy.
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On October 02 2015 09:24 sagi wrote: Do you get money from ads displayed or just clicks? I don't mind having adblock disabled for sites like this, but is it for nothing as I've never clicked an ad and I'm quite sure I never will.
Most networks pay per view so even if you don't click it still helps.
speaking of which, is there a way to disable flash ads? those freeze my pc and my laptop up. Normal banners are fine for me
I work in online advertising, and for us, the huge majority is pay per view. The cpc (cost per click) campaigns we are running are 50% (borderline) scammy, little shops trying to get an edge, 50% total clueless, dinosaurs in the advertising space. I actually got interested enough to check in our system: the ratio of pay per view to pay per click is ~ 8000:1
chrome has - since september 1st - flash ads disabled per default. You will see a greyed out, static image that has a play button.
On October 02 2015 16:30 FiWiFaKi wrote: Glad that you gave a heads up, but I will continue to use adblock (though I have purchased TL+ in the past), for the following reason:
In the BW days, there were no ads, and from what I remember, the number of users on TL at once hasn't changed much. The features offered seem more or less the same from what was in the past (minus liquipedia and bigger TL team), but I was under the impression that all, or at least most liquipedia positions were unpaid, and I wouldn't expect the forum website to be covering the cost of operation of the team, rather the sponsors like Razer would.
So that's the missing gap for me, it's not like the cost of servers magically increased 10 fold. So while I have nothing against TL being a business, and when there's opportunity to make money in relatively innocent ways, to make that money... But I don't see why it's something that's necessary when it wasn't necessary in the past.
Not trying to start some big debate, just sharing my thoughts, I still have respect (if that's the right term here), for the people who white list TL, I just prefer the cleaner experience since it's something that I don't feel is a necessity for the site to survive (due to my point above).
edit: Also not exactly fair giving examples of the most ad-filled gaming websites, versus common ones like reddit, steam forums, playdota.com, dotadev, dotafire, dotabuff... Actually I just went through like the first 8 links with a google search "dota 2 forums", and all the websites had less ads than TL, so it's kind of misleading. Like sure, there's less ads than on sketchy porn and news sites, but certainly, when comparing gaming communities, TL is above the curve in terms of number of ads (or at the very least on the curve), so playing the "hasn't accepted the industry standard" card is kind of a low blow.
this is quite a headache of a situation tbh. I've never run adblock on TL but this new placement is quite disgusting. I only look at TL for the feature stream/event calendar and now I have to stare at an ad and it takes quite a lot of space on the screen. The best option is to turn adblock since it takes less space overall than having an ad there.
On October 03 2015 11:01 desRow wrote: this is quite a headache of a situation tbh. I've never run adblock on TL but this new placement is quite disgusting. I only look at TL for the feature stream/event calendar and now I have to stare at an ad and it takes quite a lot of space on the screen. The best option is to turn adblock since it takes less space overall than having an ad there.
Yes, TL would be wise to cater to the people who only come to the site to look at the exact area of the screen where the ad will be.
On October 02 2015 09:24 sagi wrote: Do you get money from ads displayed or just clicks? I don't mind having adblock disabled for sites like this, but is it for nothing as I've never clicked an ad and I'm quite sure I never will.
Most networks pay per view so even if you don't click it still helps.
does refreshing the screen help, if i have one those drinky bird things that go up and down on my f5 key do u guys get views like that?
On October 03 2015 16:59 Shock710 wrote: why not just have like 5 extra ads down below the sidebar settings, and remove the one above the streams
Ad networks pay more for ads that are visible without scrolling. The ads below the top of the page have very low view rates in general.
but right now with the live events actually showing streams the ad is pushed down to the point where it needs to be scrolled to be seen. Does that still count? or rather if it does get pushed down it counts for less (can they even track that?)
Please fix the placement of the new Ad. There are currently 3 events in the event tab listed and to get to the Streams now I have to scroll down for ages. Maybe put ad between streams and upcoming events instead?
On October 02 2015 09:24 sagi wrote: Do you get money from ads displayed or just clicks? I don't mind having adblock disabled for sites like this, but is it for nothing as I've never clicked an ad and I'm quite sure I never will.
Most networks pay per view so even if you don't click it still helps.
does refreshing the screen help, if i have one those drinky bird things that go up and down on my f5 key do u guys get views like that?
the company I work for has a campaign targeting feature called 'frequency capping', where you can say how many times in a certain time window we are allowed to show the same ad to the same user. A typical setting is '3 times per 8 hours'.
Websites selling inventory typically have a 'waterfall' solution, where they try to sell to their premium customers first, and then start offering to lower bidders and at the very end of that there is the dumpster category that is filled with '10 things you should never eat to lose belly fat'.
Prices at the very top could be (depending on who you are) up to several dollars for 1000 impressions, while at the dumpster level, you are looking at cents per 1000 impressions.
So with your birdy, you'd be driving prices down for TL.
This is written from a real time bidding perspective, of which I know that Teamliquid does it to a certain degree.
On October 02 2015 03:45 geokilla wrote: Adblock is off here for me because the ads are generally non-intrusive. Now if the ads are the tracking type then I'm going to turn them back on.
On October 02 2015 03:26 tritonice wrote: I turned ad block off for years. However, the pervasiveness of "meet an Asian hottie" ads required me to turn that on. I don't surf ANYWHERE where an SEO is going to pick that up. I will try to turn off Adblock again to support TL, but please refrain from such advertisers.
I don't think they get to choose. It's all based on your cookies and browsing history. I bet if you have an Instagram account and follow a lot of hot Asian girls, it's reflected here.
this is correct, google ads are based on browsing history, combined with google's info on your age, gender, previous searches etc. As R1ch said you can opt out of personalised ads.
On October 02 2015 16:30 FiWiFaKi wrote: Glad that you gave a heads up, but I will continue to use adblock (though I have purchased TL+ in the past), for the following reason:
In the BW days, there were no ads, and from what I remember, the number of users on TL at once hasn't changed much. The features offered seem more or less the same from what was in the past (minus liquipedia and bigger TL team), but I was under the impression that all, or at least most liquipedia positions were unpaid, and I wouldn't expect the forum website to be covering the cost of operation of the team, rather the sponsors like Razer would.
So that's the missing gap for me, it's not like the cost of servers magically increased 10 fold. So while I have nothing against TL being a business, and when there's opportunity to make money in relatively innocent ways, to make that money... But I don't see why it's something that's necessary when it wasn't necessary in the past.
Not trying to start some big debate, just sharing my thoughts, I still have respect (if that's the right term here), for the people who white list TL, I just prefer the cleaner experience since it's something that I don't feel is a necessity for the site to survive (due to my point above).
edit: Also not exactly fair giving examples of the most ad-filled gaming websites, versus common ones like reddit, steam forums, playdota.com, dotadev, dotafire, dotabuff... Actually I just went through like the first 8 links with a google search "dota 2 forums", and all the websites had less ads than TL, so it's kind of misleading. Like sure, there's less ads than on sketchy porn and news sites, but certainly, when comparing gaming communities, TL is above the curve in terms of number of ads (or at the very least on the curve), so playing the "hasn't accepted the industry standard" card is kind of a low blow.
I very much support this statement.
It's pretty disrespectful if anything. "you guys want to make money to support your business, well i'm going to cheat you, sorry"
"i'm going to cheat you because i think i'm entitled to it, LOL"
i don't use adblock on any site i visit because if i bothered to go there in the first place they deserve credit for that. sorry i just can't comprehend or support anyone who uses adblock, on teamliquid or any other site
On October 02 2015 09:24 sagi wrote: Do you get money from ads displayed or just clicks? I don't mind having adblock disabled for sites like this, but is it for nothing as I've never clicked an ad and I'm quite sure I never will.
Most networks pay per view so even if you don't click it still helps.
does refreshing the screen help, if i have one those drinky bird things that go up and down on my f5 key do u guys get views like that?
the company I work for has a campaign targeting feature called 'frequency capping', where you can say how many times in a certain time window we are allowed to show the same ad to the same user. A typical setting is '3 times per 8 hours'.
Websites selling inventory typically have a 'waterfall' solution, where they try to sell to their premium customers first, and then start offering to lower bidders and at the very end of that there is the dumpster category that is filled with '10 things you should never eat to lose belly fat'.
Prices at the very top could be (depending on who you are) up to several dollars for 1000 impressions, while at the dumpster level, you are looking at cents per 1000 impressions.
So with your birdy, you'd be driving prices down for TL.
This is written from a real time bidding perspective, of which I know that Teamliquid does it to a certain degree.
On October 03 2015 22:48 Dumbledore wrote: to get to the Streams now I have to scroll down for ages.
I'd be hard pressed to think of a more inane complaint if I tried.
Please justify how my complaint is silly. You clearly don't know anything about good webdesign if you think hiding one of the most valuable content boxes is a good thing.
I dont know what happened but I think this happened since this new ad. I watched Netflix and had TL (homepage) in the background. After one hour I got an warning that I haven't enough free RAM (I have 4GB RAM). I opened task manager and saw that one of few chrome.exe* used 2.4GB RAM. I closed TL and it decreased to standard 0.2GB.
I do a 2nd try now. After 10min its 0.24GB. Looks like TL is eating something .I never got a warning before. Edit: 15min later, it is still at 0.24GB. Idk what happened, maybe a specific ad or chrome didn't work properly. I don't care about 0.2 or 0.25 GB.
On October 03 2015 22:48 Dumbledore wrote: to get to the Streams now I have to scroll down for ages.
I'd be hard pressed to think of a more inane complaint if I tried.
Those complaints are legtimate... The new ad placement doesn't please everyone. I understand the need to increase revenue to keep paying everyone that works at team liquid but why not put the ad on the left side of the screen, then we'll see how much forum users enjoy the new intrusive ad? TL Calendar and featured stream list is an incredible tool to keep up with day to day events and it's impairing the use of it.
On October 03 2015 22:48 Dumbledore wrote: to get to the Streams now I have to scroll down for ages.
I'd be hard pressed to think of a more inane complaint if I tried.
Those complaints are legtimate... The new ad placement doesn't please everyone. I understand the need to increase revenue to keep paying everyone that works at team liquid but why not put the ad on the left side of the screen, then we'll see how much forum users enjoy the new intrusive ad? TL Calendar and featured stream list is an incredible tool to keep up with day to day events and it's impairing the use of it.
it is a great tool which is why its legit to monetize it.
extremely specialized information costs more money than very mainstream general information.
want to read a magazine about standard street automobiles? its $5 want a magazine about the Canadian Stock Car Competitive Scene? its $25. ( thanks Inside Track Motorports News )
TL.Net's "value added" to SC2 esports is right in line with ESPN.com's "value added" to Major League Baseball. ESPN.com is about $11 more per year than TL.Net and i get ESPN the magazine mailed to me.
i can follow baseball in depth via 20 different web sites... drill down on each player.. get detailed stats.. and really dig into any MLB game being played. ESPN.com is the best place to do this by far and they want $41/year. Same with TL.Net except they want $30/year and there are not 20 other places to go with comparable features.
considering that MLB is a very mainstream and SC2 is really specialized i'm a bit surprised a TL.Net subscription is less expensive than an ESPN.com subscription.
are the writers on here the 2nd coming of Josphe Pulitzier? hardly... they aren't on ESPN.com either but u get well researched in depth content.. stats.. play histories etc on both sites.
TL.Net's request for $30/year is 100% reasonable and then this issue just goes away. if u can't afford it turn off ad block and accept the fact that everyone in the esports ecosystem has to make a buck or the ecosystem dies.
I really don't understand these adblock users vigorously defending themselves as if they were doing something great. As long as the ads are not popping all over the place and reducing my computer's performance (which is usually doesn't happen with the websites I frequently visit), why would I block them? It's not like they are physically hurtful to my eyes and they bring money to the websites I like, thus making those websites more likely to exist in the future.
TL is extremely decent in the amount of ads shown. As far as I am concerned, you can triple the amount of ads and I will still not care. The only thing I want is no sound and no popups and self-enlarging ads and that's perfectly maintained on TL, with obtrusive ads being removed swiftly.
On October 06 2015 04:03 opisska wrote: I really don't understand these adblock users vigorously defending themselves as if they were doing something great. As long as the ads are not popping all over the place and reducing my computer's performance (which is usually doesn't happen with the websites I frequently visit), why would I block them? It's not like they are physically hurtful to my eyes and they bring money to the websites I like, thus making those websites more likely to exist in the future.
TL is extremely decent in the amount of ads shown. As far as I am concerned, you can triple the amount of ads and I will still not care. The only thing I want is no sound and no popups and self-enlarging ads and that's perfectly maintained on TL, with obtrusive ads being removed swiftly.
i hate ads and always have adblock on, but i certainly do not intend to justify it like other fools are doing. luckily, TL had the insight to allow all ads to be blocked with a TL+ subscription. the website looks very nice without the ad clutter. people should really consider it if they hate ads and like TL, and stop making bullshit excuses for using adblock.
On October 06 2015 04:03 opisska wrote: I really don't understand these adblock users vigorously defending themselves as if they were doing something great. As long as the ads are not popping all over the place and reducing my computer's performance (which is usually doesn't happen with the websites I frequently visit), why would I block them? It's not like they are physically hurtful to my eyes and they bring money to the websites I like, thus making those websites more likely to exist in the future.
there are silly arguments on both sides. yes, there are adblock users who brag pointlessly about using it, but there are also absurd apologists who sound like they should be working for the RIAA/MPAA calling adblockers cheats and criminals. if someone is going to call me a cheat for controlling what i put on my screen in my free time, then yeah i'm going to defend myself.
the internet is a competition to monetize people's time and attention. i understand that's how it works and i understand TL is just doing the business they have to. but that doesn't mean i have to approve of the system, and i don't feel i will ever owe it to anyone to have unwanted ads on my screen. brand awareness is a form of mind alteration and if i have the opportunity then i'm going to refuse. sometimes you don't get to refuse, and oh well, the system wins those rounds.
i don't hold it against TL for working the system they exist in. that's the game of life for everyone, no matter who you are. but if you think adblock is "immoral" then maybe grow up
On October 02 2015 16:30 FiWiFaKi wrote: Glad that you gave a heads up, but I will continue to use adblock (though I have purchased TL+ in the past), for the following reason:
In the BW days, there were no ads, and from what I remember, the number of users on TL at once hasn't changed much. The features offered seem more or less the same from what was in the past (minus liquipedia and bigger TL team), but I was under the impression that all, or at least most liquipedia positions were unpaid, and I wouldn't expect the forum website to be covering the cost of operation of the team, rather the sponsors like Razer would.
So that's the missing gap for me, it's not like the cost of servers magically increased 10 fold. So while I have nothing against TL being a business, and when there's opportunity to make money in relatively innocent ways, to make that money... But I don't see why it's something that's necessary when it wasn't necessary in the past.
Not trying to start some big debate, just sharing my thoughts, I still have respect (if that's the right term here), for the people who white list TL, I just prefer the cleaner experience since it's something that I don't feel is a necessity for the site to survive (due to my point above).
edit: Also not exactly fair giving examples of the most ad-filled gaming websites, versus common ones like reddit, steam forums, playdota.com, dotadev, dotafire, dotabuff... Actually I just went through like the first 8 links with a google search "dota 2 forums", and all the websites had less ads than TL, so it's kind of misleading. Like sure, there's less ads than on sketchy porn and news sites, but certainly, when comparing gaming communities, TL is above the curve in terms of number of ads (or at the very least on the curve), so playing the "hasn't accepted the industry standard" card is kind of a low blow.
Well, what's changed is that now people work on TL full time, and that TL has to pay for the pro teams they hire. That hasn't changed my user experience very much, but it might have changed others'.
It would be interesting to know if TL's teams cost them money, break even, or make money. I mean, I guess the business model is that if they have a team, people will come to the site and see their ads. But it almost feels like the basic reason for the existence of the website is to have those teams, which is intensely circular.
As far as the people working full time, previously they were just volunteers. To some degree those volunteers are the people who became paid workers. If they continued on the previous model, there would be nothing to pay but server costs, and to a large extent the website still is volunteer driven, by virtue of being a forum. Even for front page content, I'm pretty sure it's still volunteer based.
I don't really care about soundless, safe ads being included in the layout, it just seems worth it to point out lots of these costs have been invented. If gosugamers and those other sites have less ads, it's because they're not actually trying to pay a staff to fly to events, or a progaming team's operating costs. But that's TL's vision. It's less a business than a bunch of friends try to make their dreams come true. At the same time, being a member of these forums and caring about that vision are not the same thing, which is why I think the adblock is high, and a lot of people aren't going to care that Elly the elephant is sad you aren't supporting ESPORTS. So getting the same people who produce 99% of TL's content and appeal to also buy TL+ or click on your ads to pay for something that isn't part of what's interesting about TL for them, is kind of wishful, and certainly, as the quoted posts points out, a different experience from ye old TL.
Or maybe I have it backwards, and the TL forum is somehow the money sink which everything else TL does is throwing money at to keep going. As far as I know that info isn't public.
Did the Elly reminders go away? I normally have ad-block off for TL, but when I turn it on, I don't see the reminder anymore. I also don't see it on my very old Ipad where I have javascript turned off because safari crashes all the time when I have javascript turned on.
Why not serve local static advertisements underneath the normal ads? One example would be to advertise for TL+. That way, if someone has ad-block on, they will still get TL+ advertisements. By signing up for TL+, they won't get the TL+ ad or normal ads. You can also do this for items in your store just by serving an ad directly from TL without any 3rd party interference and tracking. Just make the static image clickable and will take you to the correct Store page or TL+ signup page. Pretty much exactly like Heyoka's example image in the very first post.
This way seems a lot more relevant to your user base and doesn't rely on everyone turning off ad-block from the goodness of their hearts. And since it would just be a static clickable image, it's not going to piss off any reasonable user unlike some obnoxious auto-play ads or ads that have very taxing scripts which bog down computers.
Video ads on the right side bar are slowing my Firefox browser to a crawl. (41.0.1, Win7, Flash is up to date, etc. etc.). I don't have video problems on other websites (twitch, video ads, etc.). I have 50+ Mbps internet connection. While video ad is loading, Firefox is almost frozen across all tabs (can click, but may take 20 seconds to respond).
On October 08 2015 00:51 tritonice wrote: Video ads on the right side bar are slowing my Firefox browser to a crawl. (41.0.1, Win7, Flash is up to date, etc. etc.). I don't have video problems on other websites (twitch, video ads, etc.). I have 50+ Mbps internet connection. While video ad is loading, Firefox is almost frozen across all tabs (can click, but may take 20 seconds to respond).
Any ideas? This is very frustrating.
I had the same problem so I set Flash to not play automatically.
On October 02 2015 16:30 FiWiFaKi wrote: Glad that you gave a heads up, but I will continue to use adblock (though I have purchased TL+ in the past), for the following reason:
In the BW days, there were no ads, and from what I remember, the number of users on TL at once hasn't changed much. The features offered seem more or less the same from what was in the past (minus liquipedia and bigger TL team), but I was under the impression that all, or at least most liquipedia positions were unpaid, and I wouldn't expect the forum website to be covering the cost of operation of the team, rather the sponsors like Razer would.
So that's the missing gap for me, it's not like the cost of servers magically increased 10 fold. So while I have nothing against TL being a business, and when there's opportunity to make money in relatively innocent ways, to make that money... But I don't see why it's something that's necessary when it wasn't necessary in the past.
Not trying to start some big debate, just sharing my thoughts, I still have respect (if that's the right term here), for the people who white list TL, I just prefer the cleaner experience since it's something that I don't feel is a necessity for the site to survive (due to my point above).
edit: Also not exactly fair giving examples of the most ad-filled gaming websites, versus common ones like reddit, steam forums, playdota.com, dotadev, dotafire, dotabuff... Actually I just went through like the first 8 links with a google search "dota 2 forums", and all the websites had less ads than TL, so it's kind of misleading. Like sure, there's less ads than on sketchy porn and news sites, but certainly, when comparing gaming communities, TL is above the curve in terms of number of ads (or at the very least on the curve), so playing the "hasn't accepted the industry standard" card is kind of a low blow.
Well, what's changed is that now people work on TL full time, and that TL has to pay for the pro teams they hire. That hasn't changed my user experience very much, but it might have changed others'.
It would be interesting to know if TL's teams cost them money, break even, or make money. I mean, I guess the business model is that if they have a team, people will come to the site and see their ads. But it almost feels like the basic reason for the existence of the website is to have those teams, which is intensely circular.
As far as the people working full time, previously they were just volunteers. To some degree those volunteers are the people who became paid workers. If they continued on the previous model, there would be nothing to pay but server costs, and to a large extent the website still is volunteer driven, by virtue of being a forum. Even for front page content, I'm pretty sure it's still volunteer based.
I don't really care about soundless, safe ads being included in the layout, it just seems worth it to point out lots of these costs have been invented. If gosugamers and those other sites have less ads, it's because they're not actually trying to pay a staff to fly to events, or a progaming team's operating costs. But that's TL's vision. It's less a business than a bunch of friends try to make their dreams come true. At the same time, being a member of these forums and caring about that vision are not the same thing, which is why I think the adblock is high, and a lot of people aren't going to care that Elly the elephant is sad you aren't supporting ESPORTS. So getting the same people who produce 99% of TL's content and appeal to also buy TL+ or click on your ads to pay for something that isn't part of what's interesting about TL for them, is kind of wishful, and certainly, as the quoted posts points out, a different experience from ye old TL.
Or maybe I have it backwards, and the TL forum is somehow the money sink which everything else TL does is throwing money at to keep going. As far as I know that info isn't public.
Since TLpro and TL.net are separate both financially and organizationally, TL.net is still almost purely unpaid volunteer staff except for severely needed maintenance staff. Ads are meant to cover these maintenance costs including server hosting costs for the website (and Liquipedia). It doesn't take long to figure out why additional ad space is required.
So i don't use adblock on teamliquid. However, the new ad on right side is causing my firefox to freeze up to not be usable and causes flash to jump up really high in memory usage. Therefore I had to activate adblock. Since I'm not going to deactivate it every few days just to see if it doesn't mess up my browser, I'm probably just going to keep this site adblocked indefinitely. Great new ad guys.
Btw, it seems really dumb if TLPro and TL.net are operated separately, considering that if this forum died or lost a significant amount of its users, the Pro Team side would lose almost all of its value in my eyes.
On October 11 2015 11:45 FPSpectrum wrote: So i don't use adblock on teamliquid. However, the new ad on right side is causing my firefox to freeze up to not be usable and causes flash to jump up really high in memory usage. Therefore I had to activate adblock. Since I'm not going to deactivate it every few days just to see if it doesn't mess up my browser, I'm probably just going to keep this site adblocked indefinitely. Great new ad guys.
Btw, it seems really dumb if TLPro and TL.net are operated separately, considering that if this forum died or lost a significant amount of its users, the Pro Team side would lose almost all of its value in my eyes.
Good to know I am not the only firefox user cannot watching stream and open TL at the same time...It will cause firefox to lagging and sometimes pop up script errors. Maybe I should just open TL in chrome or something
Also whenever I open TL in firefox, it always tell me that firefox is stoping page from redirecting. This may not because of the new ads because I have been having this issue several months now.
Will echo the new ad slot issue, even on chrome it slows down loading the rest of the page. (If it took it's time loading the ad only, I wouldn't care, but when it slows down the forum reading experience, it's extremely annoying / inconvinient).
Internet speed is fine so that's not the issue. Due to this I've also temporarily turned on blocking ads on tl, hoping to be able to whitelist it again soon. (New ad slot changed / fixed / adjusted so that it doesn't slow down browsing the forum otherwise.)
I use Internet Explorer 11 and since the addition of these ads each time I come to this site my browser freezes and occasionally crashes, not to mention the ads make the site very choppy... Unfortunately, like many others, I am left with no choice but to enable ad blocking. Perhaps there is a better solution?
I dont use adblock but youtube adblocker on chrome, I sometimes see yt adblocker is active on TL when videos are on. I think it makes the site damn laggy.
I am usually a heavy addblock user, but i disabled it in the past for TL to support the Team/webside.
However the new add on the right makes that impossible, it autostarts videos on different (very loud) soundlevels, it crashes firefox and it messes up other players sometimes.
I love TL.net. I would have no problem if the empty spaces on the right and left side of the page would be used for ads. But this "i randomly start a video" stuff is not accaptable for my enjoiment of the side.
How is this okay to TL users? ads on right side bar create excellent lags. Are they supposed to shine a new ad if old one before is done without refresh the site? I think this is the breaker why TL is lagging. Every new ad increases the lag until the TL site looks like freezed and if you dont have noticed that they are big RAM eater. Every new ad increases the RAM about 25000K. I monitored my windows task manager for "just for fun" and I stopped when chrome.exe*32 (there are few but that ONE) ate 900000K because TL site looked freezed.
The new ad is a more popular ad size so there are more ads available to be serviced. Consequently there are some buggy ads creeping through. If you can let us know what the ad tag is for the ad we'll get on disabling those.
I am from Germany and see only 2 video ads (CoD black ops and ps4). Both are fluently but if they show again (without refreshing the site). TL starts to lag more and more. Only 1min later (ads show ~8times per min I think) chrome.exe*32 gained 200000K Ram and it continues. videos repeating automatically is the problem. Oh its 1400000K ram now. 800000K left then my 4GB Ram is full.
On November 08 2015 20:32 Dingodile wrote: I am from Germany and see only 2 video ads (CoD black ops and ps4). Both are fluently but if they show again (without refreshing the site). TL starts to lag more and more. Only 1min later (ads show ~8times per min I think) chrome.exe*32 gained 200000K Ram and it continues. videos repeating automatically is the problem. Oh its 1400000K ram now. 800000K left then my 4GB Ram is full.
it might be better to provide a link to the ad by right clicking it, makes it easier for tl staff to help remove it.
On November 08 2015 20:32 Dingodile wrote: I am from Germany and see only 2 video ads (CoD black ops and ps4). Both are fluently but if they show again (without refreshing the site). TL starts to lag more and more. Only 1min later (ads show ~8times per min I think) chrome.exe*32 gained 200000K Ram and it continues. videos repeating automatically is the problem. Oh its 1400000K ram now. 800000K left then my 4GB Ram is full.
it might be better to provide a link to the ad by right clicking it, makes it easier for tl staff to help remove it.
videos aren't lagging at all, TL site does. right click does nothing.
On October 11 2015 11:45 FPSpectrum wrote: So i don't use adblock on teamliquid. However, the new ad on right side is causing my firefox to freeze up to not be usable and causes flash to jump up really high in memory usage. Therefore I had to activate adblock. Since I'm not going to deactivate it every few days just to see if it doesn't mess up my browser, I'm probably just going to keep this site adblocked indefinitely. Great new ad guys.
Sadly this. TL is one of the few sites where I don't use Adblock. But if the right side ad includes movement, it basically kills the site for me. Unlike Spectrum I will deactivate it every few days and check what's going on, as yours is very well made, interesting content. For the record, both IE and Firefox freeze.
On October 24 2015 23:03 Micro_Jackson wrote: I am usually a heavy addblock user, but i disabled it in the past for TL to support the Team/webside.
However the new add on the right makes that impossible, it autostarts videos on different (very loud) soundlevels, it crashes firefox and it messes up other players sometimes.
I love TL.net. I would have no problem if the empty spaces on the right and left side of the page would be used for ads. But this "i randomly start a video" stuff is not accaptable for my enjoiment of the side.
yeah I got a loud autoplay at work last week and wasn't too happy
i took it off again and havent seen it since. basically as long as none of the ads expand, make noise, or contain porn or some bugg script I keept off
also considering the demographics this site caters to, I would think 55% is probably a low number no? that means al ot of white listing because I am sure more than 55% of posters have ad block
On October 24 2015 23:03 Micro_Jackson wrote: I am usually a heavy addblock user, but i disabled it in the past for TL to support the Team/webside.
However the new add on the right makes that impossible, it autostarts videos on different (very loud) soundlevels, it crashes firefox and it messes up other players sometimes.
I love TL.net. I would have no problem if the empty spaces on the right and left side of the page would be used for ads. But this "i randomly start a video" stuff is not accaptable for my enjoiment of the side.
yeah I got a loud autoplay at work last week and wasn't too happy
i took it off again and havent seen it since. basically as long as none of the ads expand, make noise, or contain porn or some bugg script I keept off
also considering the demographics this site caters to, I would think 55% is probably a low number no? that means al ot of white listing because I am sure more than 55% of posters have ad block
Just out of curiosity, has the ad block percentage changed after introducing this? (Sorry for bump)
EPT
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