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Idra Banned for 90 Days - Page 83
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
IdrA will be casting day 1 (mousesports vs ROOTgaming) of the EG's Master's Cup Series Season V League in exactly 3h with djWheat, so make sure not to miss it. | ||
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Legion101
Belgium9 Posts
On May 09 2011 02:30 Varpulis wrote: What? TL has removed the adds from his stream page. He's not hurting anybody but himself and his fans by not streaming. TL actually took away the only leg he has to stand on, by removing the adds. Him being "featured" just makes it easier for people to watch his stream. If anything, they're doing him a favor. The leg I'm referring to is the inconstancy and duality in the decision. If they are doing him a favour why do it? If they are not doing him a favour then they are only fuelling the dispute between Idra and TL. | ||
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Frissehh
Iceland17 Posts
On May 09 2011 02:33 FakePlasticLove wrote: lol is Teamliquid the only forum that bans people for little insults? This and some women's book discussion forum. I never understood the idea behind banning/warning people. every other site just deletes the posts that are against the rules or offensive. Here, we bring special attention to it with big red marks and make drama out of everything. Here stupid inappropriate behavior is marked out as a big "NOTICE" sign for newcomers and other people to clarify that this sort of behavior is not welcome here. It's not to bring drama. TL is surprisingly lenient on their permanent bans if you think about it, only the obvious trolls that are trying to create drama or show utter disrespect towards the community get banned, usually they get a warning first. | ||
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Sc2FRDarkO
France13 Posts
i'm agree with the things that idra is a bm and he is yet rageing like hell  . | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
On May 09 2011 02:22 Marzocchi wrote: I'm still trying to figure out what Idra posted on these TL Forums that would result in his ban. Had he said something directly on www.TeamLiquid.net Chill and the other mods should have put it in their note saying he got banned. As their own Tyler made clear on SOTG, they need to be telling both sides of the story, ala: Idra did/said/posted XYZ (specifics) on www.TeamLiquid.com NOT on Justin/Twitter/another media we control. As a result we chose to ban him. More people are upset because they see Chill banning Idra for something he did on Justin, the Ladder or Twitter. NOT on a TL operated site. Surely Chill/TeamLiquid do not believe they control Justin.tv, Twitter or any other non-team-liquid associated website or media. Yes it may have been dumb for Idra to send people from Twitter to TeamLiquid to spam Chill... but he did this only after being banned by Chill. I could understand the ban resulting from sending people to a TL controlled media preemptively, but this isn't the case. Then, HotBid came out and said if they could find definitive proof of Cruncher "cheating" on the ladder/stream they would take action. My question is - what action could they possibly take within their jurisdiction for something that happens/occurs on Battle.net - a media they do not control, operate or have affiliations with. Banning Cruncher for cheating on the ladder would be just as bad as banning Idra for something he said on Twitter or Justin.tv I don't have a link for it but it has been stated several times the original 2 day ban(Not his first btw...) was for calling Cruncher a wasted life etc. whether that is deserving of a ban or not is debatable i guess. But no matter What media he does it on promoting people to spam/send hate mail to a MOD on THIS site is unacceptable! I don't understand how Idra fanboys can be so god damn blind, He should have been banned a long time ago for his behavior and surely if anyone else did this it would be a perma ban! | ||
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Helix
United States35 Posts
As for IdrA being banned, he definitely deserved it. It's not like Cruncher was ghosting in a tournament or something. Ladder is fair game for whatever. That's not TL's responsibility at all. | ||
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hookyelyak
Egypt184 Posts
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Bounty
Germany35 Posts
On May 09 2011 02:33 FakePlasticLove wrote: lol is Teamliquid the only forum that bans people for little insults? This and some women's book discussion forum. ... I know that WoW is not liked a lot around here, but on the ElitistJerks forums, which are pretty much the only source for high level WoW information on raiding, gearing etc., you get banned for having poor grammar, spelling or too little content in your posts. Of course this drastically lowers the amount of content being produced, but the posts that get through the check are most of the time useful and valueable. Personally I agree with TL's move regarding Idra. | ||
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FakePlasticLove
United States357 Posts
On May 09 2011 02:41 Bounty wrote: I know that WoW is not liked a lot around here, but on the ElitistJerks forums, which are pretty much the only source for high level WoW information on raiding, gearing etc., you get banned for having poor grammar, spelling or too little content in your posts. Of course this drastically lowers the amount of content being produced, but the posts that get through the check are most of the time useful and valueable. Personally I agree with TL's move regarding Idra. Good job, we are akin to the elite society of WoW nerds. | ||
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Darclite
United States1021 Posts
[B]On May 09 2011 01:41 mordanis wrote: Reason 1 Idra was actually temp'd because he called Cruncher a waste of life. I'm pretty sure that Idra wouldn't have been banned if he had just cooled his nerd rage slightly. I completely understand TL saying that it draws a line at saying that an individual has no right to live. It had nothing to do with Cruncher cheating or trying to manipulate Idra Reason 2 Again, the mods just said that Idra went over the line. Idra, with his history, would have been banned a long time ago, but his reputation as a programmer has kept him in. And obviously anyone who encourages people to spam mods via PM deserves punishment, but again this seems more like a perm than a 90 day offence. Reason 3 Actually, I agree that there is too much division over this. That being said, Idra has just been doing far too much to be let through without punishment. It comes down to the principle of precedence, which as a history major you should know quite a bit about. If they let Idra get away with it, how can they in good conscience punish a minor celebrity, or after that anyone. Quite the slippery slope. Reason 4 To say that his tweet didn't insinuate that he wanted Chill harrassed is absurd (Idra said "Everyone pm Chill if this upsets you"), but I'll ignore it. Idra's 90 day ban came from a combination of awful posting history, blatant lack of regard for site rules, his comment about Cruncher, and finally his inability to apologize for everything. Basically, I think the TL.net mods are completely in the right, in an awkward situation where Idra has made a lose-lose situation for e-sports. If they don't punish him, TL loses some of its reputation as a civil, mature community. If they do punish him, Idra fanboys rage and ... do whatever they do. Either way, e-sports loses, and for that I have lost respect for Idra. I like his style of play, but this is not something to let him live down. Wow I wrote a lot last night before it was locked, but you got it all, nice post. The funniest part about all this is the obsession with him because of his attitude. The condescending jerk who declares himself superior to virtually everyone has imitators, funny. Don't worry TL, the people who are mad about this and will leave are better off gone, as is Idra. It's also funny to see the fanboys say that he didn't tweet that to get people to harass Chill. He knows exactly what he's doing. And if I'm not mistaken, Chill's inbox was filled with about 200 messages People who are accusing the mods of being less mature than him are severely misguided. This site is one of the best discussion sites for a game and for most worldly subjects as well. They are rarely power hungry, and I'd rather see them lay down the law than see him get away with whatever he wants. And furthermore, you HAD to tweet about being temp banned at all? It was a two day ban. Grow the fuck up, get over it. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
On May 09 2011 02:42 FakePlasticLove wrote: Good job, we are akin to the elite society of WoW nerds. You're missing the point completely... Seriously get your nose out of Idra's ass, he deserved multiple perma bans long before this even happened, has gotten a string of warnings and constant 2 day bans to try and warn him but he continues to act childish and disrespectful to the mods and other people on the forum, all valid reasons for a perma ban. He is luck to get off with 90 days.... | ||
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DeLiriuMs
Bulgaria40 Posts
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Mataru
Norway356 Posts
On May 09 2011 02:33 FakePlasticLove wrote: lol is Teamliquid the only forum that bans people for little insults? This and some women's book discussion forum. I never understood the idea behind banning/warning people. every other site just deletes the posts that are against the rules or offensive. Here, we bring special attention to it with big red marks and make drama out of everything. Because warning/banning is also preventive of future bad behavior. If you just delete a bad post without giving any notice to the person who posted it, that person may continue to post shitty comments. giving the mods even more work. IdrA continually breaches TL forums rules and he gets cut a lot more slack than you or I would, but when you tell your legion of followers to spam one of the mods, more drastic actions must be taken. That tweet wasn't even neccessary as he is in no way hindered at streaming because of getting banned from TL. IdrA is a great player and I find him really entertaining, but he is prone to acting out in a juvenile way, and TL is completely in the right here, IMO. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19058 Posts
On May 09 2011 02:37 BroOd wrote: TL isn't displaying a banner ad on his embedded stream page. On May 09 2011 02:33 clusen wrote: I guess he referred to this: Yeah that's my bad. I a) didn't realize he was talking about TL ads and B) didn't read OP carefully enough. D'oh. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 09 2011 02:42 FakePlasticLove wrote: Good job, we are akin to the elite society of WoW nerds. Though we're nowhere near that level, I see no problem with filtering out nonsense posts. Oh boohoo, he called him a "waste of life", big deal... Well, sure, Cruncher probably didn't go cry himself to sleep that night, but what was the point of that post? What did it accomplish? Why shouldn't it result in a 2 day suspension? Because we're tough guys who don't mind shit talk? I don't mind the occasional banter, but keep it humorous at least and not purely spiteful. | ||
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FakePlasticLove
United States357 Posts
On May 09 2011 02:45 Mataru wrote: Because warning/banning is also preventive of future bad behavior. If you just delete a bad post without giving any notice to the person who posted it, that person may continue to post shitty comments. giving the mods even more work. IdrA continually breaches TL forums rules and he gets cut a lot more slack than you or I would, but when you tell your legion of followers to spam one of the mods, more drastic actions must be taken. That tweet wasn't even neccessary as he is in no way hindered at streaming because of getting banned from TL. IdrA is a great player and I find him really entertaining, but he is prone to acting out in a juvenile way, and TL is completely in the right here, IMO. I'm starting to think mods love all the work and banning. Deleting posts is way more easier than highlighting the post then making a comment. What makes you think people will continue to post their crap if their posts keep being deleted? It's a stupid system. If those posts are so bad, why are they still allowed to be seen? What difference does it make? | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
On May 09 2011 02:47 FakePlasticLove wrote: I'm starting to think mods love all the work and banning. Deleting posts is way more easier than highlighting the post then making a comment. What makes you think people will continue to post their crap if their posts keep being deleted? It's a stupid system. If those posts are so bad, why are they still allowed to be seen? What difference does it make? Its not that much extra work to mark a post rather then delete it.... and as for why allow it be seen, well I can't answer that 100% but maybe to serve as a warning, if you post like this idiot you will be banned? They're are probably more and better reasons but that one I just thought up on spot... | ||
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Sephiros
United States24 Posts
I dunno, my friend told me about this whole thing and I just think it's totally childish, high school drama. Unban him and get on with your lives... | ||
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PhaseTwo
United States118 Posts
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leakingpear
United Kingdom302 Posts
I mean it sounds like ridiculous conspiracy theorist piffle but I refuse to believe that someone like Chill, who at best has a divisive personality, find that IdrA's posts are anywhere close to offensive enough to warrant all this banning nonsense, or that a frustrated response on twitter is worth 3 months of not being able to post. Yes IdrA is an idiot a lot of the time when it comes to communicating with people or his fans, but each one of his posts is a million times more entertaining than the 99.999% of posts which are about such fantastically irrelevant and retarded topics like best casters, kings of race X, bizarre rhetoric fueled arguments about how to best serve lord eSports, parody songs where they don't even record the song, astrology as it relates to starcraft, etc, etc. Please TL, think of people who actually want to read interesting things on the forums as opposed to this endless stream of twaddle that pushes away anyone who ever posts anything interesting from posting. | ||
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