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Hello, all!
It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.
Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.
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I'm still trying to figure out what Idra posted on these TL Forums that would result in his ban. Had he said something directly on www.TeamLiquid.net Chill and the other mods should have put it in their note saying he got banned. As their own Tyler made clear on SOTG, they need to be telling both sides of the story, ala:
Idra did/said/posted XYZ (specifics) on www.TeamLiquid.com NOT on Justin/Twitter/another media we control. As a result we chose to ban him.
More people are upset because they see Chill banning Idra for something he did on Justin, the Ladder or Twitter. NOT on a TL operated site.
Surely Chill/TeamLiquid do not believe they control Justin.tv, Twitter or any other non-team-liquid associated website or media. Yes it may have been dumb for Idra to send people from Twitter to TeamLiquid to spam Chill... but he did this only after being banned by Chill. I could understand the ban resulting from sending people to a TL controlled media preemptively, but this isn't the case.
Then, HotBid came out and said if they could find definitive proof of Cruncher "cheating" on the ladder/stream they would take action.
My question is - what action could they possibly take within their jurisdiction for something that happens/occurs on Battle.net - a media they do not control, operate or have affiliations with. Banning Cruncher for cheating on the ladder would be just as bad as banning Idra for something he said on Twitter or Justin.tv
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It's just 90 days, he will be back soon anyway, just needs some time to cool his head a bit and let the drama die down.
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On May 09 2011 02:10 Aurex wrote:+ Show Spoiler +i dont mean this to be a flame but if i get banned for it so be it. What incontrol said to tyler on sotg was as right as rain. Team liquid is our only community website and when players livelyhoods are threatened because of petty squabbles on the forums, the owners of those forums need to re- look at their priorities. Is it it maintain an elite society of nerds who know all see all and do all in the name of the holy team liquid. Or is this site going to be a place for a community to grow. Idra is Bm, we know this, tl mod's and communitiy obviousl;y know this, so how can this get blown so out of proportion. 3 Months where idra cant post his stream on the biggest sc site in the world is 3 months where idra loses the viewers from this website, that simple. Are you going to reimburse him for that? Banned from the forums is one thing, banned from using your website is another.
I think it has been said in here several times but again: They still list his stream, although (as far as I am understood) Idra is against it.
And his livelihood is not threatened at all as I see it. In my guess he is making way more money then he ever made with sc:bw alone with tournament winings and he was fine back in the sc:bw days. He is already popular and his ability to not make posts wont put a real dent into it. If anything is threatening his livelihood its his unprofessional behaviour.
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I think this is funny. Please don't ban me. I could care less about idra or any other pro player. I watch NASL occasionally, but don't obsess over pro players. And all of you are like talking crap about different players like it's your life. Lol keep posting so I can laugh.
User was temp banned for this post.
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Stop giving IdrA all this attention he doesn't deserve 
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I feel like IdrA tweeted in passing, not really putting much thought into just how many people would gladly follow through with what he said. (Then again, you never know)
Pretty big IdrA fan, but I'm sure TL is handling/will handle things without destroying anybody.
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On May 09 2011 02:10 Aurex wrote:
i dont mean this to be a flame but if i get banned for it so be it. What incontrol said to tyler on sotg was as right as rain. Team liquid is our only community website and when players livelyhoods are threatened because of petty squabbles on the forums, the owners of those forums need to re- look at their priorities. Is it it maintain an elite society of nerds who know all see all and do all in the name of the holy team liquid. Or is this site going to be a place for a community to grow. Idra is Bm, we know this, tl mod's and communitiy obviousl;y know this, so how can this get blown so out of proportion. 3 Months where idra cant post his stream on the biggest sc site in the world is 3 months where idra loses the viewers from this website, that simple. Are you going to reimburse him for that? Banned from the forums is one thing, banned from using your website is another.
IdrA knows the rules here all too well, yet he chooses to ignore them time and time again. Yes, everyone knows he's BM, that's not an excuse to give him a free pass to ignore the rules. "Your honor, I'm a drug addict, I know I'm a drug addict, you know I'm a drug addict, so why do you get mad when I do drugs". As mentioned before, IdrA gets this many opportunities simply because he's IdrA. Anyone else would be long gone by now, yet TL shows mercy on him time and time again. Also, if you read it says that IdrA can keep his stream shown, and even if he couldn't it wouldn't be up to TL to reimburse him.
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On May 09 2011 02:22 Marzocchi wrote:
More people are upset because they see Chill banning Idra for something he did on Justin, the Ladder or Twitter. NOT on a TL operated site.
He originally got banned for saying CrunCher was a waste of life, on the forums
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On May 09 2011 02:08 Hypemeup wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 02:06 Tension wrote:
bye bye teamliquid.fail! i was fed up with the ridiculous power hungry ass hole mods on this website anyway so now you have 1 less visitor, and may i take this moment to get myself banned by saying FUCK YOU teamliquid.net
thanks and have a wonderful time never making it anywhere because you are the most ridiculously strict forum in the fucking world. thanks for a terrible gaming community experience and good fucking riddance Bye, We will miss your active contributions to the site! Wait a second. Show nested quote +
I just wonder why TL keeps his stream in the streams section?
I have read the Nazgul post but I still don't agree. Is it for the viewers? Because I think people visit TL first and then possibly switch to viewing Idra second. Removing him would only maybe repel some die hard fans but I even doubt if that will happen. They removed the add so it's not about the money? They banned him so they obviously don't want his input on this site? Is it to not anger the masses even more and does it therefore indicates a regret in there decision?
No, its so that if he does not stream, its down to him being childish and punishing his veiwers(Just like he did with the 2 day ban, but he redirected the anger to chill). They removed the ads just to be on the safe side I suppose.
Yes but whether he streams or not is still up to him. If he doesn't stream as long as he is being banned and featured, doesn't that only feeds his reasoning? It looks to me that your reasoning still applies if he is not featured. If TL keeps him featured it only gives him a leg to stand on to not stream. If he is not featured he will only stream for his followers on jtv and twitter e.g. his "true" fans.
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On May 09 2011 02:27 Legion101 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 02:08 Hypemeup wrote:On May 09 2011 02:06 Tension wrote:
bye bye teamliquid.fail! i was fed up with the ridiculous power hungry ass hole mods on this website anyway so now you have 1 less visitor, and may i take this moment to get myself banned by saying FUCK YOU teamliquid.net
thanks and have a wonderful time never making it anywhere because you are the most ridiculously strict forum in the fucking world. thanks for a terrible gaming community experience and good fucking riddance Bye, We will miss your active contributions to the site! Wait a second.
I just wonder why TL keeps his stream in the streams section?
I have read the Nazgul post but I still don't agree. Is it for the viewers? Because I think people visit TL first and then possibly switch to viewing Idra second. Removing him would only maybe repel some die hard fans but I even doubt if that will happen. They removed the add so it's not about the money? They banned him so they obviously don't want his input on this site? Is it to not anger the masses even more and does it therefore indicates a regret in there decision?
No, its so that if he does not stream, its down to him being childish and punishing his veiwers(Just like he did with the 2 day ban, but he redirected the anger to chill). They removed the ads just to be on the safe side I suppose. Yes but whether he streams or not is still up to him. If he doesn't stream as long as he is being banned and featured, doesn't that only feeds his reasoning? It looks to me that your reasoning still applies if he is not featured. If TL keeps him featured it only gives him a leg to stand on to not stream. If he is not featured he will only stream for his followers on jtv and twitter e.g. his "true" fans.
What? TL has removed the adds from his stream page. He's not hurting anybody but himself and his fans by not streaming. TL actually took away the only leg he has to stand on, by removing the adds. Him being "featured" just makes it easier for people to watch his stream. If anything, they're doing him a favor.
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GJ Cruncher. I am not sure if you intended to snipe Idra that day, but you sure got him this time. See you in 3 months Idra. I'd like to see you comment on this on the next SotG or whatver podcast you will be on.
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I'd be willing to wager a lot of my own money in saying that if you moderated people based on how they acted in all parts of life, at least 80% of this forum should be banned. Moderation of this forum should be based on this forum (and related TL events).
His stream is his own place to vent, etc. It's not like he stabbed Cruncher. He voiced his (albeit stupid) opinion in his own personal media.
It would make MORE sense to remove his stream but to not ban him. The way it was done is distasteful and tactless.
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Hyrule19259 Posts
On May 09 2011 02:30 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 02:27 Legion101 wrote:On May 09 2011 02:08 Hypemeup wrote:On May 09 2011 02:06 Tension wrote:
bye bye teamliquid.fail! i was fed up with the ridiculous power hungry ass hole mods on this website anyway so now you have 1 less visitor, and may i take this moment to get myself banned by saying FUCK YOU teamliquid.net
thanks and have a wonderful time never making it anywhere because you are the most ridiculously strict forum in the fucking world. thanks for a terrible gaming community experience and good fucking riddance Bye, We will miss your active contributions to the site! Wait a second.
I just wonder why TL keeps his stream in the streams section?
I have read the Nazgul post but I still don't agree. Is it for the viewers? Because I think people visit TL first and then possibly switch to viewing Idra second. Removing him would only maybe repel some die hard fans but I even doubt if that will happen. They removed the add so it's not about the money? They banned him so they obviously don't want his input on this site? Is it to not anger the masses even more and does it therefore indicates a regret in there decision?
No, its so that if he does not stream, its down to him being childish and punishing his veiwers(Just like he did with the 2 day ban, but he redirected the anger to chill). They removed the ads just to be on the safe side I suppose. Yes but whether he streams or not is still up to him. If he doesn't stream as long as he is being banned and featured, doesn't that only feeds his reasoning? It looks to me that your reasoning still applies if he is not featured. If TL keeps him featured it only gives him a leg to stand on to not stream. If he is not featured he will only stream for his followers on jtv and twitter e.g. his "true" fans. What? TL has removed the adds from his stream page. He's not hurting anybody but himself and his fans by not streaming. TL actually took away the only leg he has to stand on, by removing the adds. Him being "featured" just makes it easier for people to watch his stream. If anything, they're doing him a favor.
What are you talking about? TL hasn't removed any ads.
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IdrA should of been banned long ago. The only reason he wasn't was due to him being a pro, which is ridiculous.
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On May 09 2011 02:31 tofucake wrote:
What are you talking about? TL hasn't removed any ads.
I guess he referred to this:
On May 08 2011 08:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This is not correct. We have removed our ads from his streampage.
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lol is Teamliquid the only forum that bans people for little insults?
This and some women's book discussion forum.
I never understood the idea behind banning/warning people.
every other site just deletes the posts that are against the rules or offensive. Here, we bring special attention to it with big red marks and make drama out of everything.
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He just heightened his cred. He's the bad guy of SC2, of course this fits in with his persona. Considering he still gets his stream featured, besides losing out on actual forum posting, which is doesn't seem that he enjoys unless he's trolling, I doubt he cares. I wouldn't have personally done that to Chill, but I'm at least glad he didn't back down when push came to shove - you have to admit he's a man of his principles.
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On May 09 2011 02:22 Marzocchi wrote:I'm still trying to figure out what Idra posted on these TL Forums that would result in his ban. Had he said something directly on www.TeamLiquid.net Chill and the other mods should have put it in their note saying he got banned. As their own Tyler made clear on SOTG, they need to be telling both sides of the story, ala: Idra did/said/posted XYZ (specifics) on www.TeamLiquid.com NOT on Justin/Twitter/another media we control. As a result we chose to ban him. More people are upset because they see Chill banning Idra for something he did on Justin, the Ladder or Twitter. NOT on a TL operated site. Surely Chill/TeamLiquid do not believe they control Justin.tv, Twitter or any other non-team-liquid associated website or media. Yes it may have been dumb for Idra to send people from Twitter to TeamLiquid to spam Chill... but he did this only after being banned by Chill. I could understand the ban resulting from sending people to a TL controlled media preemptively, but this isn't the case. Then, HotBid came out and said if they could find definitive proof of Cruncher "cheating" on the ladder/stream they would take action. My question is - what action could they possibly take within their jurisdiction for something that happens/occurs on Battle.net - a media they do not control, operate or have affiliations with. Banning Cruncher for cheating on the ladder would be just as bad as banning Idra for something he said on Twitter or Justin.tv
TL has stated earlier in this thread that they may ban for events that occur outside of TeamLiquid.net
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Austin10833 Posts
On May 09 2011 02:31 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 02:30 Varpulis wrote:On May 09 2011 02:27 Legion101 wrote:On May 09 2011 02:08 Hypemeup wrote:On May 09 2011 02:06 Tension wrote:
bye bye teamliquid.fail! i was fed up with the ridiculous power hungry ass hole mods on this website anyway so now you have 1 less visitor, and may i take this moment to get myself banned by saying FUCK YOU teamliquid.net
thanks and have a wonderful time never making it anywhere because you are the most ridiculously strict forum in the fucking world. thanks for a terrible gaming community experience and good fucking riddance Bye, We will miss your active contributions to the site! Wait a second.
I just wonder why TL keeps his stream in the streams section?
I have read the Nazgul post but I still don't agree. Is it for the viewers? Because I think people visit TL first and then possibly switch to viewing Idra second. Removing him would only maybe repel some die hard fans but I even doubt if that will happen. They removed the add so it's not about the money? They banned him so they obviously don't want his input on this site? Is it to not anger the masses even more and does it therefore indicates a regret in there decision?
No, its so that if he does not stream, its down to him being childish and punishing his veiwers(Just like he did with the 2 day ban, but he redirected the anger to chill). They removed the ads just to be on the safe side I suppose. Yes but whether he streams or not is still up to him. If he doesn't stream as long as he is being banned and featured, doesn't that only feeds his reasoning? It looks to me that your reasoning still applies if he is not featured. If TL keeps him featured it only gives him a leg to stand on to not stream. If he is not featured he will only stream for his followers on jtv and twitter e.g. his "true" fans. What? TL has removed the adds from his stream page. He's not hurting anybody but himself and his fans by not streaming. TL actually took away the only leg he has to stand on, by removing the adds. Him being "featured" just makes it easier for people to watch his stream. If anything, they're doing him a favor. What are you talking about? TL hasn't removed any ads.
TL isn't displaying a banner ad on his embedded stream page.
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