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Flew
United Kingdom133 Posts
Great idea! I think it might be nice to have a tournament open to everyone with a small entry fee - the more the merrier, and the more money it would raise. And rather than hand some of the cash over to the winner, we could send it all to the worthy cause, and instead try and get someone to sponsor a prize for the winner (a TL shirt maybe? a voucher for Steam or some other site?). I have no experience running tournaments myself, but I'm happy to try and help if you need more people involved. | ||
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dump
Japan514 Posts
-I talked with the NPO. Everyone was surprised to hear that there's such thing as competitive gaming, but they were ecstatic to hear that people from places as far as Hong Kong and Germany are showing interest. We've set up a bank account in Vancouver for local fundraising. We could use that for the tournament, or TL could set up its own for the purpose -- whatever's most convenient and confident. -If infrastructure will allow, the funding will most likely be used initially for things like buying important prescription drugs, blankets, gasoline, makeshift tools and other essentials (cold weather is a concern in northern Japan). If not, we expect that the money will most likely go towards things like treating people who've lost insurance coverage, as well as tuition for kids who've lost their parents etc.. I'll talk to the doc as soon as I can, but right now he's running on small generators with scarce gasoline, so communication is a finite resource. -If we can make enough money from entrance fees, we might be able to afford some of the more financially-driven players like IdrA as someone mentioned -- though I suspect that if we can get enough marketing, a lot of pros will play just for the publicity and human satisfaction. The only difficulty is in knowing what our prize pool budget will be ahead of time; however, there's a good chance that we can get sponsors. (ryanAnger said he's willing to drop $1000!) -I'm thinking that the format of the competition should be such that it's very inclusive but not very pressuring to scrubs like myself. As with any spectator sport, participation can be in both playing as well as spectating -- so hopefully we can get a bit of both going on. -I like the tee-shirt idea; maybe we can make it so that anyone with at least n wins gets a tee-shirt or something, or if it's affordable enough, anyone that participates. We can probably find a manufacturer that's willing to cut us some slack in exchange for recognition. -If we can get some Korean pros or semi-pros playing too it should make for some good sentiment, owing to the love-hate relationship the Japanese have with them. -I was hoping ryanAnger would see this thread too, but I guess I'll have to PM him. He's the one that came up with the idea, and he's really enthusiastic about it. -Would we have any sort of venue, or would it be entirely on ustream/justin.tv/YouTube? -Can we get some advice or assistance from the TL people? -Should this thread be under General or something? Can it even be moved? -Should we keep in touch via Skype/MSN/Facebook, or should we just continue using these forums? | ||
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Seoulman
United States3 Posts
I have emailed the Blizzard tourney staff to gain some support from them. Maybe doing a match as to how much we can raise. It's a great idea and at the same time give something doing what we love to do. I was even thinking about doing a smaller scale tourney more tailored to the US guys. That may be more managable and logistically friendly. | ||
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Gao Xi
Hong Kong5178 Posts
I think the best way might be to talk to TL admins, TL can make stuff happen and i believe that Mani lives(?) in Japan so I guess it would be another reason TL should help out. Basically if TL endorses the tournament/showmatch or helps out then it would be huge cause i'm sure they have connections. Like Day9 and such. (Day9 gets like 10k viewers per daily live IIRC so that would spread the word, etc). Probably getting in touch with the admins and organizing something would be the best route. | ||
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
As long as there's some what of an event it would help a lot people in Japan Raelcun going 48ish hours without sleep!!!! | ||
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aike
United States1629 Posts
On March 14 2011 20:06 PlagueRat wrote: We should allow the quake to do significant enough dmg, so that we may invade, and enslave them. User was temp banned for this post. How the fuck don't people get perm'd for this? :\ That's fucked up. Fundraiser is a great idea!  Who would play? Would be really cool to see high profile players in it. Could probably raise a TON of money too. If like 5k people tuned in, and only 20% donated $1 that's $1k to help | ||
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smokeyhoodoo
United States1021 Posts
On March 15 2011 00:59 Grettin wrote: As much i would love to see Idra play, theres no way he would be participating without prize pool. Everyone should know that. Ofc i'd like to see him prove me (and others who doesn't believe it) wrong. But 16man tournament could work though. Still could use a spotlight so this gets more visibility, ideas and thoughts. Its kinda hidden in the TL community section. It was really more of an example. Furthermore, I wouldn't assume such things about people, and no one is obligated to do such a thing either so they shouldn't be judged. People are busy and have their own problems. Going beyond that is kindness, but not doing so isn't evil or cold-hearted. | ||
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Japan514 Posts
On March 15 2011 08:13 Seoulman wrote: I was just thinking the same thing. I even created an account specifically tailored to support such an event. I have emailed the Blizzard tourney staff to gain some support from them. Maybe doing a match as to how much we can raise. It's a great idea and at the same time give something doing what we love to do. I was even thinking about doing a smaller scale tourney more tailored to the US guys. That may be more managable and logistically friendly. I think an international tourney would be just as easy as a US tourney, so long as we limit ourselves to places that have PayPal/Amazon/Google Checkout, especially if it's primarily or entirely online. I'd prefer to make sure it's International for sentimental reasons. It'll make the recipients happier. Plus I live in Canada. | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On March 15 2011 09:42 smokeyhoodoo wrote: It was really more of an example. Furthermore, I wouldn't assume such things about people, and no one is obligated to do such a thing either so they shouldn't be judged. People are busy and have their own problems. Going beyond that is kindness, but not doing so isn't evil or cold-hearted. Obviously not, don't understand me wrong here. But i'd still say that showmatch or progamer tournament rather than 'opentournament' is better idea overall. Easier to do, easier to handle. No need to worry about the accounts and so on. Dump, seems like you've done some excellent job already with this. Mind asking some of the TL staff what they think? and yet again maybe spotlight this thread. :p | ||
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Japan514 Posts
On March 15 2011 15:29 Grettin wrote: Obviously not, don't understand me wrong here. But i'd still say that showmatch or progamer tournament rather than 'opentournament' is better idea overall. Easier to do, easier to handle. No need to worry about the accounts and so on. Dump, seems like you've done some excellent job already with this. Mind asking some of the TL staff what they think? and yet again maybe spotlight this thread. :p I agree, I think an open tournament where people can donate to sign up, play, and then win a modest prize for decent performance (or even everyone that joins, if it turns out to be viable) and slightly-less-modest grand prizes would be good. I just read your old comment about regions again and realized what Seoulman meant by a logistical problem outside the US -- anyone have any ideas on how we might resolve this? Maybe each region can be its own bracket, so that we only have to worry about a small number of people who'll need accounts on another server. Anyone know who in TL I should talk to? On March 15 2011 13:46 Masq wrote: I can play on US/EU server if you need a terran player. I could also help cast but I have no experience, but for this event I'll make an exception :D! Nice to know we have a big name on board already. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
If i understood you right, separating regions to different tournaments sounds like a lot of work and i wouldn't go for that. Possible streaming would need more work and not to forget the whole organizing. I didn't quite understand where you agreed with me on my last post (or if you even did). But i really think that opentournament for everyone isn't a good idea, even donation wise. Instead, bunch of progamers battling it out in a tournament is much easier to organize and do overall. I'd say there would be alot more people watching the streams aswell. Most of the pros should have EU/NA accounts so there wouldn't be problems with the servers etc. This will most likely happen if everyone can play. The only problem is to get pro players to play if there isn't a decent prize pool. [read smokeyhoodoo's post] Even more easier choice would be just a showmatch between two players. E: more text. | ||
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Japan514 Posts
On March 15 2011 19:03 Grettin wrote: I really don't know who i would talk to in TL staff. So i'd try Manifesto, Nazgul etc. Or visit the TL IRC and talk there. If i understood you right, separating regions to different tournaments sounds like a lot of work and i wouldn't go for that. Possible streaming would need more work and not to forget the whole organizing. I didn't quite understand where you agreed with me on my last post (or if you even did). But i really think that opentournament for everyone isn't a good idea, even donation wise. Instead, bunch of progamers battling it out in a tournament is much easier to organize and do overall. I'd say there would be alot more people watching the streams aswell. Most of the pros should have EU/NA accounts so there wouldn't be problems with the servers etc. This will most likely happen if everyone can play. The only problem is to get pro players to play if there isn't a decent prize pool. [read smokeyhoodoo's post] Even more easier choice would be just a showmatch between two players. E: more text. Ah, sorry, I haven't had much sleep so I'm not paying very good attention. More views might be nice, but I wonder which would be the more money-making business model? | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
All i see: better/known players & casters = More viewers/more interesting. More viewers might possible be more money if there is a donation account during the games etc. Sponsors/supporters to get things going(seems like you already have one, so thats a good start), to get the prizepool idea etc. so the pros can decide whether to play or not. | ||
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Japan514 Posts
On March 15 2011 20:15 Grettin wrote: About the business model, i really cant say since i haven't hosted any tournaments in my life. Thats why we need this spotlighted so more people will be saying their thoughts. All i see: better/known players & casters = More viewers/more interesting. More viewers might possible be more money if there is a donation account during the games etc. Sponsors/supporters to get things going(seems like you already have one, so thats a good start), to get the prizepool idea etc. so the pros can decide whether to play or not. As far as sponsors goes, I think we only have ryanAnger for $1k so far -- and I still need to poke him. One option might be to test the waters with show matches with popular players and casters, and then if we feel confident that we have the right people and experience for a public pay-to-play tournament, we can try that out. My only concern with just having spectators and pro gamers is that the awareness of the situation is already quite saturated; if they were going to donate, they probably already would have. On the other hand, playing a game to help people out might make for good slacktivism. | ||
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naim
41 Posts
However, given this huge starcraft community I think with decent players and casters there is a way to set up something like this. Maybe you can get in touch with the ESL guys and figure something out. Their premium concept worked well for the IEM and they have the contacts. | ||
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Japan514 Posts
On March 15 2011 20:45 naim wrote: I'm torn whether viewers should buy a ticket which will be donated 100% or if it should be mainly free and donation based. However, given this huge starcraft community I think with decent players and casters there is a way to set up something like this. Maybe you can get in touch with the ESL guys and figure something out. Their premium concept worked well for the IEM and they have the contacts. Pay-to-view? Really? Would that work? I think people would feel a lot more satisfied with a casual pay-to-play -- though of course as others have mentioned it's the most challenging to set up. Pay-per-view could be difficult too; think it would involve a lot of web work and private streaming servers with login/checkout. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
People needs to know about this and start donating for before the tournament and for the "prize pool". And then possible during the games trough PayPal etc. | ||
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naim
41 Posts
On March 15 2011 20:54 Grettin wrote: Pay-to-view wont work and i don't think its a good idea at all. If people wants to watch the games, then they watch. No need to donate or pay for it. People needs to know about this and start donating for before the tournament and for the "prize pool". And then possible during the games trough PayPal etc. hm okok pay-to-view does't work, agreed. But what is the point of donating for a "prize pool"? Isn't the idea of charity, that everybody donates to one cause? Players/casters donate some of their time, viewers some of their money. Am I wrong? | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On March 15 2011 21:45 naim wrote: hm okok pay-to-view does't work, agreed. But what is the point of donating for a "prize pool"? Isn't the idea of charity, that everybody donates to one cause? Players/casters donate some of their time, viewers some of their money. Am I wrong? That should be the plan yes, but if the organizer decides to go with the protournament /showmatch path, how many of the players from lets say, root, EG, dignitas and so on would play the tournament without prices? Of course it would be best if the pro's would just play without any prices. Imo smookeyhoodoo said it pretty well couple posts back: "Furthermore, I wouldn't assume such things about people, and no one is obligated to do such a thing either so they shouldn't be judged. People are busy and have their own problems. Going beyond that is kindness, but not doing so isn't evil or cold-hearted." for example 10% of the whole donation pot is given out to the TOP 3, imo thats acceptable as long as it stays reasonable. If there is already 1000 dollars on the pot, 10% is already a good start for the prizepool. If some sponsors would pick this idea up and sponsor something like headphones, mouses, t-shirts and so on, it would be even better. Better players makes the event more interesting in the watchers eyes. That way it gains more viewers and most likely more donations. | ||
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