I recently heard about the incredible awesomeness of Day[9]Daily #100 through some friends and decided to check it out (I just jumped on the bandwagon once SC2 came out so it was before my day). What I saw was more then awesome, it actually changed me as a person, the way I see gaming and other gamers, and the way I live my life.
That being said, something this ethereally rare, needs to be shared with those that you are close to. Inspired by Day9 I decided to ask my mom if she would be willing to watch it, I told her that she would enjoy it and he was a really awesome person. Her reaction surprised me, she didn't just like it, she absolutely loved it, she even cried during it.
The next day she asked me if I could set it up on my computer so she could watch it again, I happily agreed of course, and then she told me that she wanted to write an article about it. My mom has a PH.D. in metaphysics and a Masters Degree in religious studies.... and she wants to write an article about Day[9]? oh my god, this is so freaking awesome.
So I bring to you, my fellow nerds, geeks, and sun-challenged individuals, an article written by my mom.... the day[9] fan.
I hope you all enjoy it, I thought something like this should be shared regardless of my relation to her.
Edit: Thanks so much for all the excellent feedback guys I'm so glad that everyone is enjoying it. I've read all of the comments and it's great to see all of your stories as well so keep posting them!
Edit: to cure general curiosity, I'm 18, my mom is 54.
Great article! That's cool that your mom enjoyed it. I'm considering showing my mom now ;p Not sure if she'd watch the entire thing. I definitely got my girlfriend to watch it though and she cried ^^
Awesome fucking article. More people need to realize that they should learn from the kids, not the other way around. This world would be 10x (possibly 100x) better of a place.
They are watching their minds as they play, and discriminating true from false at a very high level.
Busted. Your mom is Tastosis.
But in all seriousness, that article was great, it elicited all the same emotions the actual day9 100 did, and despite the sad parts of the story, still ended up with me having a smile
nice article. I would probably stop being lazy too if I had the freedom to choose what to do rather than feeling forced to go to school and get good grades
wow awesome article. my mother had a similar moment with me and music, she had only ever heard me messing about in my bedroom with my guitar. I always talked about doing it for a living and my mum would shoot me down.... then she came to see me play with my band, and suddenly realised that i wasn't wasting my time..... we still don't get along, but atleast she accepts that music is what i'm supposed to do, despite any other faults she might see me as having.
Wow man, your mom is truly a modern mom!:D That's great that she's so open to new stuff. My mother only sees me in a doctor's uniform . That's kinda weird because my grandma is totally supportive about it XD
oh and my mom doesn't speak eng to check day out :/ all in my hands....;p
Fantastic article, thanks for posting. Also no reason to worry about the first paragraph considering the theme of the whole article, coming from someone who does not believe in god.
i too showed it to my mom, over the summer. day9 completely changed her perception of gamers. she had been trained by the media to think that video games were evil and lazy and sloppy and that everyone who plays them is evil and that gaming is as waste of time.
she was reluctant at first, but after the first 20 minutes she was so hooked that she watched the entire two hours with her eyes completely glued to the screen. she couldn't believe that such a touching, heartfelt story was coming from the likes of a gamer.
completely changed her perception of gamers and games. she thinks the starcraft community is a really wonderful thing now. just the other day i sent her an email about the day9 donation drive to show her how many other people love day9, and she told me that she donated 10 dollars after reading it.
Maybe the next generation of gamers will have parents who accept gaming but if I showed this to my 50yo mother she would get bored about 30 secs in and call it stupid.
I share that daily with a lot of people as well. I'm really glad you shared that with your Mom, her insights were really interesting and she's an amazing writer. Thanks dude, great read. =)
Amazing... I haven't even watched the Day[9] 100# Daily but I sure have to watch it. Maybe even show it to few friends if has that kind of an impact on people. If I really like it, I might go as far as to translate it to Finnish, just for fun and to show it even more people. This happens if I like it enough, I let you know.
Hmm... If I'm going to translate that, I better ask Sean's approval for that...?
You have a amazing mom, i loved her article. It's so fun to see that some adults accept gaming as a part of society and are even willing to do something such as watching Day9's 2 hour long biography (which is fucking awesome, i've personally watched it 4 times )
On November 18 2010 05:28 Day[9] wrote: <33333333333333333333 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Moms 4 life imo ^___^
lol i just finished SOTG, i guess some threads are to good to ignore
Also i think your mom is about 3 times cooler than mine as far as school goes, if i didn't get A's or perform to my best, it seemed like at times there was hell to pay.
On November 18 2010 05:26 ShadezOwnage wrote: Can I ask about your "unschooling" ?
Sounds interesting. Brief history of your years 5-x please?
I'm interested in this as well. As someone who was extremely moved by D9D#100 I think it's awesome that it's getting notoriety even among people who aren't avid gamers.
That being said, I think your mom is crazy bro. This quote in particular bothers me: "He learned by gaming, watching television, and figuring things out on his own. My job was to trust his true Self to do the job–to lead him to whatever he needed or would need in life."
This in reference to you (OP), how does this sort of approach fare in developing you for integration into society?
The gaming world is real and fair. You don’t win because your mother has connections. You don’t lose because a judge made some biased decision. You don’t get respect because you are older or have an advanced degree. You get respect because you won. And, you won because you deserved to win.
"many years ago, I made the decision to unschool my children. My youngest son, Sam (the gamer), has never attended school and has never studied in the traditional way. He learned by gaming, watching television, and figuring things out on his own. My job was to trust his true Self to do the job–to lead him to whatever he needed or would need in life. "
^ I'm a bit scared by this. More than a bit actually. How old are you OP?
On November 18 2010 05:39 Thrill wrote: "many years ago, I made the decision to unschool my children. My youngest son, Sam (the gamer), has never attended school and has never studied in the traditional way. He learned by gaming, watching television, and figuring things out on his own. My job was to trust his true Self to do the job–to lead him to whatever he needed or would need in life. "
^ I'm a bit scared by this. More than a bit actually. How old are you OP?
I don't mean to turn a happy thread into an interrogation, but yeah, what's the story?
On November 18 2010 05:39 Thrill wrote: "many years ago, I made the decision to unschool my children. My youngest son, Sam (the gamer), has never attended school and has never studied in the traditional way. He learned by gaming, watching television, and figuring things out on his own. My job was to trust his true Self to do the job–to lead him to whatever he needed or would need in life. "
^ I'm a bit scared by this. More than a bit actually. How old are you OP?
I'm sorry but I have to post this. If you are saying "never studied in the traditional way" then you have to be adding sth else like homeschooling. But if he just played games and watched television that means he hadn't studied at all not just traditional way.
People who discovers their true self share a common thing and that's knowledge, they are making a choice out of their solid knowledge and understanding of life. How can one can build up a knowledge with games and television?
May be there is more to the story but even in nature mother of an animal prepares his child for his life, then let them be theirselves. How will he manage his life without preparing for outside world?
lol that's awesome. I hope your mom's article gets some widespread recognition outside of the sc2 community. Day9 100 is for sure about more than just gaming. Good luck to your mom!
On November 18 2010 05:26 ShadezOwnage wrote: Can I ask about your "unschooling" ?
Sounds interesting. Brief history of your years 5-x please?
I'm interested in this as well. As someone who was extremely moved by D9D#100 I think it's awesome that it's getting notoriety even among people who aren't avid gamers.
That being said, I think your mom is crazy bro. This quote in particular bothers me: "He learned by gaming, watching television, and figuring things out on his own. My job was to trust his true Self to do the job–to lead him to whatever he needed or would need in life."
This in reference to you (OP), how does this sort of approach fare in developing you for integration into society?
it wasn't ALL from television and gaming, but I did learn a lot from those things. I learned economics from playing World of Warcraft (auctionhouse 101) spelling / vocab / grammar from typing during games, any time I didn't know a word I would look it up because I didn't want to sound dumb. science/history have there respective channels on TV. I still did some work with math books, read some literature etc. but it was rare, and I was still able to graduate highschool 2 years early. The thing that being unschooled has taught me more then anything, is that I can learn something if I WANT to, extremely easily. When I wanted my GED I had no problem studying and getting it.
To answer your main question though, I have basic knowledge in all subjects that are applicable to society, the rest is all about finding what I love to do (which for the time being is cooking) and figuring out the best source of knowledge available to me. I'm applying for a culinary apprenticeship in April, wish me luck! :D
On November 18 2010 05:26 ShadezOwnage wrote: Can I ask about your "unschooling" ?
Sounds interesting. Brief history of your years 5-x please?
I'm interested in this as well. As someone who was extremely moved by D9D#100 I think it's awesome that it's getting notoriety even among people who aren't avid gamers.
That being said, I think your mom is crazy bro. This quote in particular bothers me: "He learned by gaming, watching television, and figuring things out on his own. My job was to trust his true Self to do the job–to lead him to whatever he needed or would need in life."
This in reference to you (OP), how does this sort of approach fare in developing you for integration into society?
it wasn't ALL from television and gaming, but I did learn a lot from those things. I learned economics from playing World of Warcraft (auctionhouse 101) spelling / vocab / grammar from typing during games, any time I didn't know a word I would look it up because I didn't want to sound dumb. science/history have there respective channels on TV. I still did some work with math books, read some literature etc. but it was rare, and I was still able to graduate highschool 2 years early. The thing that being unschooled has taught me more then anything, is that I can learn something if I WANT to, extremely easily. When I wanted my GED I had no problem studying and getting it.
To answer your main question though, I have basic knowledge in all subjects that are applicable to society, the rest is all about finding what I love to do (which for the time being is cooking) and figuring out the best source of knowledge available to me. I'm applying for a culinary apprenticeship in April, wish me luck! :D
But what about your social life? How did you meet other kids, make friends and such? I know almost all my friends from school or activities someone from school introduced me to.
I am actually curious here, did you attend some sort of club meetings or anything like that?
EDIT: I don't think I posted before in this thread, Your mom and yourself is made of awesome.
On November 18 2010 05:26 ShadezOwnage wrote: Can I ask about your "unschooling" ?
Sounds interesting. Brief history of your years 5-x please?
I'm interested in this as well. As someone who was extremely moved by D9D#100 I think it's awesome that it's getting notoriety even among people who aren't avid gamers.
That being said, I think your mom is crazy bro. This quote in particular bothers me: "He learned by gaming, watching television, and figuring things out on his own. My job was to trust his true Self to do the job–to lead him to whatever he needed or would need in life."
This in reference to you (OP), how does this sort of approach fare in developing you for integration into society?
it wasn't ALL from television and gaming, but I did learn a lot from those things. I learned economics from playing World of Warcraft (auctionhouse 101) spelling / vocab / grammar from typing during games, any time I didn't know a word I would look it up because I didn't want to sound dumb. science/history have there respective channels on TV. I still did some work with math books, read some literature etc. but it was rare, and I was still able to graduate highschool 2 years early. The thing that being unschooled has taught me more then anything, is that I can learn something if I WANT to, extremely easily. When I wanted my GED I had no problem studying and getting it.
To answer your main question though, I have basic knowledge in all subjects that are applicable to society, the rest is all about finding what I love to do (which for the time being is cooking) and figuring out the best source of knowledge available to me. I'm applying for a culinary apprenticeship in April, wish me luck! :D
But what about your social life? How did you meet other kids, make friends and such? I know almost all my friends from school or activities someone from school introduced me to.
I am actually curious here, did you attend some sort of club meetings or anything like that?
I met other kids through work, sports, camps, clubs, etc. I'm not going to lie and say I had 9001 friends but I had a few close friends which was all I needed. I now live in SoCal right next to a college campus and hang out there almost every day with my friends. Friends have a way of finding you, if you just let it happen.
On November 18 2010 05:26 ShadezOwnage wrote: Can I ask about your "unschooling" ?
Sounds interesting. Brief history of your years 5-x please?
I'm interested in this as well. As someone who was extremely moved by D9D#100 I think it's awesome that it's getting notoriety even among people who aren't avid gamers.
That being said, I think your mom is crazy bro. This quote in particular bothers me: "He learned by gaming, watching television, and figuring things out on his own. My job was to trust his true Self to do the job–to lead him to whatever he needed or would need in life."
This in reference to you (OP), how does this sort of approach fare in developing you for integration into society?
it wasn't ALL from television and gaming, but I did learn a lot from those things. I learned economics from playing World of Warcraft (auctionhouse 101) spelling / vocab / grammar from typing during games, any time I didn't know a word I would look it up because I didn't want to sound dumb. science/history have there respective channels on TV. I still did some work with math books, read some literature etc. but it was rare, and I was still able to graduate highschool 2 years early. The thing that being unschooled has taught me more then anything, is that I can learn something if I WANT to, extremely easily. When I wanted my GED I had no problem studying and getting it.
To answer your main question though, I have basic knowledge in all subjects that are applicable to society, the rest is all about finding what I love to do (which for the time being is cooking) and figuring out the best source of knowledge available to me. I'm applying for a culinary apprenticeship in April, wish me luck! :D
this is the greatest thing i ever heard. i can't but not to agree that modern schools just dumb out the kids. god be my witness i'll tell my kid to ignore everything they teach him in math and cover it all by myself
On November 18 2010 05:26 ShadezOwnage wrote: Can I ask about your "unschooling" ?
Sounds interesting. Brief history of your years 5-x please?
I'm interested in this as well. As someone who was extremely moved by D9D#100 I think it's awesome that it's getting notoriety even among people who aren't avid gamers.
That being said, I think your mom is crazy bro. This quote in particular bothers me: "He learned by gaming, watching television, and figuring things out on his own. My job was to trust his true Self to do the job–to lead him to whatever he needed or would need in life."
This in reference to you (OP), how does this sort of approach fare in developing you for integration into society?
it wasn't ALL from television and gaming, but I did learn a lot from those things. I learned economics from playing World of Warcraft (auctionhouse 101) spelling / vocab / grammar from typing during games, any time I didn't know a word I would look it up because I didn't want to sound dumb. science/history have there respective channels on TV. I still did some work with math books, read some literature etc. but it was rare, and I was still able to graduate highschool 2 years early. The thing that being unschooled has taught me more then anything, is that I can learn something if I WANT to, extremely easily. When I wanted my GED I had no problem studying and getting it.
To answer your main question though, I have basic knowledge in all subjects that are applicable to society, the rest is all about finding what I love to do (which for the time being is cooking) and figuring out the best source of knowledge available to me. I'm applying for a culinary apprenticeship in April, wish me luck! :D
this is the greatest thing i ever heard. i can't but not to agree that modern schools just dumb out the kids. god be my witness i'll tell my kid to ignore everything they teach him in math and cover it all by myself
In all seriousness though great read. It definitely reminded me of the daily. Hell I changed my background to Day[9] after watching it because it gets me inspired. Not even for starcraft, just to achieve.
Had to comment on the schooling situation though... maybe you're just the exception to the rule, and maybe your mom knew that and made a good decision for you. I have no doubt that in culinary school you will not need to know most of the great majority of useless crap that public schools cover.
But... for most people this would be a very bad idea. Unless you're intellectually curious, there will be huge gaps in your understanding of economics, math, history, and other things that can actually affect your life. Public school doesn't always do the greatest job of enlightening people but it does make sure that most people get through without being unaware of basic knowledge.
Most people in your situation would probably end up not knowing if Europe is a country or a continent, being completely unaware that other countries use their own currency, have no real understanding of debt and how much interest on a debt can add up, and... oh wait I think I just did describe the public school system after all.
Anyway congrats on turning out normal and gl in culinary school, soon you can cook rl fish feasts for your raids.
lol in the Day9 100 show when he talks about "In 6th grade I was hot shit cuz I brought Prima's Strategy guide to school to read it" lmao that was totally me in 7th grade (I'm same age as Day9) I use to bring that shit to school and read it my whole study hall period
Glad OP's mother enjoyed the Daily, but I'm not sure how you manage to make a videogame into a sweeping argument against formal education when it's takent generations of book-learned people to get to the point where electrons can actually travel the way we want them to. The bit about children being "born with love" betrays a rather naive view of anthropology (children are hungry, impatient and irascible little machines), but I don't want to expound too much on that point, since this isn't the place. Don't mean to offend the OP with this post, but I do feel the substance of the article's actually quite flimsy.
But his greatest lesson came from losing his most precious sentimental object, his bunny. Sean’s childhood bunny was his lucky charm. Bunny traveled with him to every tournament. While competing in Singapore, Day9 became very angry at himself for losing a match. He could not stop hating himself for his performance; and when he went to leave, he left bunny at the hotel. Then he called to have it sent to him and gave the hotel the wrong address. Bunny was lost forever in some postal neverland. He learned from that incident that he wanted to win too much. He had lost the joy of the game. He was loving or hating himself based on winning or losing. And the price was too high. Forget about his stereotypical, gamer magical thinking (he’ll get rid of that too, I’m sure), he racked up a huge win for the true Self by realizing that competition is not the point of gaming.
That sounds so sad.. ;_;
But couldn't be more true. Some will lose a bunny, others their morals in greed, their childhood for fame, or the connection to their kids, when they're to busy working/yelling at their partner, instead of realising that they need more attention..
Then again even if you're aware of it, it's so hard to be better, when your shadow reaches to the horizon and seems impossible to climb..
This actually came at a great time. I've long pondered sending my mom a link to the daily #100, because it strongly resonates with me and got my quite emotional the first time I watched it. However I was afraid I couldn't properly debrief her and I didn't think that just telling her "go watch this 2 hour long video of a guy talking about gaming" would be particularly convincing as my mom is a very busy person. Now I have my solution. I just sent her the link to this article AND the daily.
On November 18 2010 06:55 Pro]ChoSen- wrote: lol in the Day9 100 show when he talks about "In 6th grade I was hot shit cuz I brought Prima's Strategy guide to school to read it" lmao that was totally me in 7th grade (I'm same age as Day9) I use to bring that shit to school and read it my whole study hall period
I did that with the Diablo II strategy guide. In our English lessons (live in a foreign country) we had to choose an English book at the library to read, and I was allowed to read the Diablo II lore instead. How awesome was that. I felt exactly like day[9], the most awesome kid in class, for being able to do that.
On topic though, the article was a great read. I've been thinking a lot about showing my mom the whole Starcraft scene, but she is not fluent enough in English to understand it spoken at a normal pace. Oh well, maybe I will find someone one day to share the Starcraft love with. One can always hope.
d9 #100 Was sort of life changing for me in a way.
I'd always done some form of competitive gaming, going to lans with teams etc, but kept it really sperate from my "real life" (school, then uni, and now work) However the line "I love starcraft and i love that i love it" really struck me deep. Realised i felt shame for doing what i love. From that day on i was a better, happier person.
Thanks for sharing, your mom seems like a very reasonable and smart person. I wish I could have meaningful conversations with my mother (or more rather my entire family in general) about gaming, life, and reality. But alas this is a topic for a blog, and I won't go into further detail here. I liked what your mom had to say on the topic, and I'm very pleased to see that at least someone (I'm going to go with somewhere over 30 here) can see the point of view of the generation just behind them especially when it comes to gaming.
On November 18 2010 05:26 ShadezOwnage wrote: Can I ask about your "unschooling" ?
Sounds interesting. Brief history of your years 5-x please?
I'm interested in this as well. As someone who was extremely moved by D9D#100 I think it's awesome that it's getting notoriety even among people who aren't avid gamers.
That being said, I think your mom is crazy bro. This quote in particular bothers me: "He learned by gaming, watching television, and figuring things out on his own. My job was to trust his true Self to do the job–to lead him to whatever he needed or would need in life."
This in reference to you (OP), how does this sort of approach fare in developing you for integration into society?
it wasn't ALL from television and gaming, but I did learn a lot from those things. I learned economics from playing World of Warcraft (auctionhouse 101) spelling / vocab / grammar from typing during games, any time I didn't know a word I would look it up because I didn't want to sound dumb. science/history have there respective channels on TV. I still did some work with math books, read some literature etc. but it was rare, and I was still able to graduate highschool 2 years early. The thing that being unschooled has taught me more then anything, is that I can learn something if I WANT to, extremely easily. When I wanted my GED I had no problem studying and getting it.
To answer your main question though, I have basic knowledge in all subjects that are applicable to society, the rest is all about finding what I love to do (which for the time being is cooking) and figuring out the best source of knowledge available to me. I'm applying for a culinary apprenticeship in April, wish me luck! :D
That sounds pretty awesome. TBH, not that much that I learned from high school I'll ever use now or in the future. Most learning really does happen outside of school. The only question I have is, are you still eligible to apply for university/college? Because not having a degree of some sort actually closes off a lot of potential career opportunities out there in today's society.
This does make me want to watch daily 100 again, first time i watched it was maybe a month or 2 after i found out about day9 back in may/june and i couldn't sleep and found daily 100 and thought it'd be a good watch despite it being 5am in the morning and it was exam time. This is a great article!!
I don't even know why or how I watched the #100, but I remember clearly being so impressed with that dude. So many things in life can be related to such hobbies as SC it's scary. The way I do things and the way I think about things is so different from a lot of people because of this.
Your mom is awesome (that goes without saying). Last week I went to GSL party in Toronto and told my parents I'll be coming home in the morning because of it. My dad has always viewed the games that I play as "Chasing monsters around the screen." The next day he actually asked me "Can you explain to me why watching Starcraft is so much fun for you?" I don't think he got all of what I was telling him, but that didn't really matter it's the question that was important.
I really wish she would have mentioned that Sean is finishing his masters degree so he's not only a great student of life but also a great student of the traditional fashion
Haha, my mom watched it too. She really liked it and was asking me all these questions about him. It's a really good story though, so I'm not surprised.
Watched it again after reading this thread. And yes, its just as touching the second time : ) Kodos to OP's mom, and Day9's mom, and all other moms out there <3
Wow man thank you for this, this is history ! I will do whatever i can to spread this out, it has to BE READ!
I cant quote all but remember: "(...)The gaming world is real and fair. You don’t win because your mother has connections. You don’t lose because a judge made some biased decision. You don’t get respect because you are older or have an advanced degree. You get respect because you won. And, you won because you deserved to win.(...)"
Don't misinterpret that as an insult, because it's not. This dude's mom has the ability to watch Day[9] non-judgementally because of what she is, and that's not a bad thing.
I just wouldn't take this dude's mom as a normal case.
On November 18 2010 08:42 bonifaceviii wrote: Reading his mom's bio explained why she gave Day[9] a chance. She's some kind of postmodernist, anti-structuralist new ager.
Don't misinterpret that as an insult, because it's not. This dude's mom has the ability to watch Day[9] non-judgementally because of what she is, and that's not a bad thing.
I just wouldn't take this dude's mom as a normal case.
Awesome article. Like a lot of people in this thread, it gave me the need to re-watch D9D#100 again.
Also, the whole education part is quite interesting and made me think of this youtube video which is basically a conference held by Sir Ken Robinson. Great watch if you have 12 minutes to spare. link:
On November 18 2010 08:42 bonifaceviii wrote: Reading his mom's bio explained why she gave Day[9] a chance. She's some kind of postmodernist, anti-structuralist new ager.
Don't misinterpret that as an insult, because it's not. This dude's mom has the ability to watch Day[9] non-judgementally because of what she is, and that's not a bad thing.
I just wouldn't take this dude's mom as a normal case.
Anti-structuralist? Haha. Perhaps you mean post-structuralism, which is not as much of an opposition to structuralism as it is a revised version of it. A lot of people misunderstand what structuralism means, thinking of some literal definition. Personally, I think both structuralism and post-structuralism (along with post-modernism as a philosophy) is based on misuse of language.
Anyway, I don't think we should be discussing the merits of the OP's mother's intellectual capacity (or whatever) as it isn't really on topic or fitting at all.
I wasn't discussing the merits of her beliefs/philosophy, just pointing them out (since a lot of people in this thread were wondering why his mom is not like their mom).
Just to add on the whole schooling-issue....I studied English as my 2nd language and always got what would be Bs and Cs in the US. Then after playing warcraft 3 over one summer (of course not "all" the time, still going out, still doing sports etc.) I had magically improved to a solid, stable A.
Funny what reading and writing on forums can teach you besides strategy...
Sorry to sound like an asshole, but how is this great in any way?
From the article it seems you don't go to school, play starcraft all day and you take comfort with the day9 daily. What you fail to realize is that Day9 is attending school and making money in the process of doing the dailies.
So just gaming isn't anything gratifying or important. For some its just fun, for other competition and for select few in SC2 a profession. But gaming itself is no a pedestal.
On November 18 2010 10:32 thehitman wrote: Sorry to sound like an asshole, but how is this great in any way?
From the article it seems you don't go to school, play starcraft all day and you take comfort with the day9 daily. What you fail to realize is that Day9 is attending school and making money in the process of doing the dailies.
So just gaming isn't anything gratifying or important. For some its just fun, for other competition and for select few in SC2 a profession. But gaming itself is no a pedestal.
i have to agree.
gaming like anything else is a hobby. for most of us it is a hobby we've very pationate about and maybe waste a little too much time with but in the end we have a lot of FUN.
to think you can go through life only focusing on gaming is naive unless you want a deadend job and to live in a roach infested apartment.
to make a living off gaming is a pipe dream for 99.9% of us. Just like playing in the NBA/NFL/Etc. is for the jocks, being a sponsored player in GSL, making a living wage or more as a progamer is to the nerd.
some people will do it, the vast majority will not. It is not smart to game allday without a contingency plan and it never will be.
On November 18 2010 10:32 thehitman wrote: Sorry to sound like an asshole, but how is this great in any way?
From the article it seems you don't go to school, play starcraft all day and you take comfort with the day9 daily. What you fail to realize is that Day9 is attending school and making money in the process of doing the dailies.
So just gaming isn't anything gratifying or important. For some its just fun, for other competition and for select few in SC2 a profession. But gaming itself is no a pedestal.
i have to agree.
gaming like anything else is a hobby. for most of us it is a hobby we've very pationate about and maybe waste a little too much time with but in the end we have a lot of FUN.
to think you can go through life only focusing on gaming is naive unless you want a deadend job and to live in a roach infested apartment.
to make a living off gaming is a pipe dream for 99.9% of us. Just like playing in the NBA/NFL/Etc. is for the jocks, being a sponsored player in GSL, making a living wage or more as a progamer is to the nerd.
some people will do it, the vast majority will not. It is not smart to game allday without a contingency plan and it never will be.
"pationate" ?
I've been working my ass off in school trying to get straight a's for the past 16 years. And now that I'm almost done I can honestly say that the one thing that really taught me how to work hard and improve myself as an individual was playing brood war competitively. Sure, being a pro gamer is a pipe dream for most people, but the people who get there don't do it through luck or talent, they do it through devastating, grueling hard work. And they do it because they love to do it.
That's the secret to being successful in any area of life. Find what you love to do and give it your all. I don't think I would have learned that if it weren't for starcraft.
Gaming all day isn't smart for most people. But if somebody spent all day gaming, improving themselves and working as hard as they possibly can, I will say go for it. If you can lose over and over and over again, and keep playing until you start winning, you've got a stronger spirit than 99% of the people who slide by in high school and end up working dead-end jobs, and you'll probably end up more successful than those people because of it.
Loved reading this. I think it's proof that people are truly beginning to understand the culture that gamers immerse themselves in. Your mom is awesome!
Wow! I constantly had wet eyes while reading the article. Also because I was reminded of the emotional and overall epic #100. Pure wisdom is speaking out of Day9.
On November 18 2010 05:26 ShadezOwnage wrote: Can I ask about your "unschooling" ?
Sounds interesting. Brief history of your years 5-x please?
I'm interested in this as well. As someone who was extremely moved by D9D#100 I think it's awesome that it's getting notoriety even among people who aren't avid gamers.
That being said, I think your mom is crazy bro. This quote in particular bothers me: "He learned by gaming, watching television, and figuring things out on his own. My job was to trust his true Self to do the job–to lead him to whatever he needed or would need in life."
This in reference to you (OP), how does this sort of approach fare in developing you for integration into society?
it wasn't ALL from television and gaming, but I did learn a lot from those things. I learned economics from playing World of Warcraft (auctionhouse 101) spelling / vocab / grammar from typing during games, any time I didn't know a word I would look it up because I didn't want to sound dumb. science/history have there respective channels on TV. I still did some work with math books, read some literature etc. but it was rare, and I was still able to graduate highschool 2 years early. The thing that being unschooled has taught me more then anything, is that I can learn something if I WANT to, extremely easily. When I wanted my GED I had no problem studying and getting it.
To answer your main question though, I have basic knowledge in all subjects that are applicable to society, the rest is all about finding what I love to do (which for the time being is cooking) and figuring out the best source of knowledge available to me. I'm applying for a culinary apprenticeship in April, wish me luck! :D
Nice article, really nice read. I find it kinda hard to push SC2 on to others. They just have no idea what type of game it is and what it takes to play it well.
Day9 daily 100 is awesome, I've rewatched that so many times, never gets old.
On November 18 2010 05:26 ShadezOwnage wrote: Can I ask about your "unschooling" ?
Sounds interesting. Brief history of your years 5-x please?
I'm interested in this as well. As someone who was extremely moved by D9D#100 I think it's awesome that it's getting notoriety even among people who aren't avid gamers.
That being said, I think your mom is crazy bro. This quote in particular bothers me: "He learned by gaming, watching television, and figuring things out on his own. My job was to trust his true Self to do the job–to lead him to whatever he needed or would need in life."
This in reference to you (OP), how does this sort of approach fare in developing you for integration into society?
it wasn't ALL from television and gaming, but I did learn a lot from those things. I learned economics from playing World of Warcraft (auctionhouse 101) spelling / vocab / grammar from typing during games, any time I didn't know a word I would look it up because I didn't want to sound dumb. science/history have there respective channels on TV. I still did some work with math books, read some literature etc. but it was rare, and I was still able to graduate highschool 2 years early. The thing that being unschooled has taught me more then anything, is that I can learn something if I WANT to, extremely easily. When I wanted my GED I had no problem studying and getting it.
To answer your main question though, I have basic knowledge in all subjects that are applicable to society, the rest is all about finding what I love to do (which for the time being is cooking) and figuring out the best source of knowledge available to me. I'm applying for a culinary apprenticeship in April, wish me luck! :D
That sounds pretty awesome. TBH, not that much that I learned from high school I'll ever use now or in the future. Most learning really does happen outside of school. The only question I have is, are you still eligible to apply for university/college? Because not having a degree of some sort actually closes off a lot of potential career opportunities out there in today's society.
Thanks for having such an open mind, I really enjoyed it growing up. Yes I am eligible to apply for colleges, I have a full blown highschool diploma from a school in Massachusetts that I've never even seen in my life.
On November 18 2010 10:32 thehitman wrote: Sorry to sound like an asshole, but how is this great in any way?
From the article it seems you don't go to school, play starcraft all day and you take comfort with the day9 daily. What you fail to realize is that Day9 is attending school and making money in the process of doing the dailies.
So just gaming isn't anything gratifying or important. For some its just fun, for other competition and for select few in SC2 a profession. But gaming itself is no a pedestal.
i have to agree.
gaming like anything else is a hobby. for most of us it is a hobby we've very pationate about and maybe waste a little too much time with but in the end we have a lot of FUN.
to think you can go through life only focusing on gaming is naive unless you want a deadend job and to live in a roach infested apartment.
to make a living off gaming is a pipe dream for 99.9% of us. Just like playing in the NBA/NFL/Etc. is for the jocks, being a sponsored player in GSL, making a living wage or more as a progamer is to the nerd.
some people will do it, the vast majority will not. It is not smart to game allday without a contingency plan and it never will be.
"pationate" ?
I've been working my ass off in school trying to get straight a's for the past 16 years. And now that I'm almost done I can honestly say that the one thing that really taught me how to work hard and improve myself as an individual was playing brood war competitively. Sure, being a pro gamer is a pipe dream for most people, but the people who get there don't do it through luck or talent, they do it through devastating, grueling hard work. And they do it because they love to do it.
That's the secret to being successful in any area of life. Find what you love to do and give it your all. I don't think I would have learned that if it weren't for starcraft.
Gaming all day isn't smart for most people. But if somebody spent all day gaming, improving themselves and working as hard as they possibly can, I will say go for it. If you can lose over and over and over again, and keep playing until you start winning, you've got a stronger spirit than 99% of the people who slide by in high school and end up working dead-end jobs, and you'll probably end up more successful than those people because of it.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Thanks for being awesome.
On November 18 2010 05:26 ShadezOwnage wrote: Can I ask about your "unschooling" ?
Sounds interesting. Brief history of your years 5-x please?
I'm interested in this as well. As someone who was extremely moved by D9D#100 I think it's awesome that it's getting notoriety even among people who aren't avid gamers.
That being said, I think your mom is crazy bro. This quote in particular bothers me: "He learned by gaming, watching television, and figuring things out on his own. My job was to trust his true Self to do the job–to lead him to whatever he needed or would need in life."
This in reference to you (OP), how does this sort of approach fare in developing you for integration into society?
it wasn't ALL from television and gaming, but I did learn a lot from those things. I learned economics from playing World of Warcraft (auctionhouse 101) spelling / vocab / grammar from typing during games, any time I didn't know a word I would look it up because I didn't want to sound dumb. science/history have there respective channels on TV. I still did some work with math books, read some literature etc. but it was rare, and I was still able to graduate highschool 2 years early. The thing that being unschooled has taught me more then anything, is that I can learn something if I WANT to, extremely easily. When I wanted my GED I had no problem studying and getting it.
To answer your main question though, I have basic knowledge in all subjects that are applicable to society, the rest is all about finding what I love to do (which for the time being is cooking) and figuring out the best source of knowledge available to me. I'm applying for a culinary apprenticeship in April, wish me luck! :D
That sounds pretty awesome. TBH, not that much that I learned from high school I'll ever use now or in the future. Most learning really does happen outside of school. The only question I have is, are you still eligible to apply for university/college? Because not having a degree of some sort actually closes off a lot of potential career opportunities out there in today's society.
Thanks for having such an open mind, I really enjoyed it growing up. Yes I am eligible to apply for colleges, I have a full blown highschool diploma from a school in Massachusetts that I've never even seen in my life.
you actually got a hs diploma? nice, i took the GED because I actually didnt have an option because current PA law is kinda messed up for homeschoolers, but either way the GED was so easy and colleges dont care, its all the GPA / SAT (or whatever your area has) scores. I actually did some math 'classes' but it was just a textbook that i would go through whenever i felt like it. did you do anything like that or just completely life experience learning? people tend to overlook how much learning you do outside of the classroom, I learned so much in boy scouts that even i didnt notice until later in life.
As for the harder 'subjects' like i said i worked on math, as it was part of the reason i left public school in sixth grade because I struggled with it. still not great at math but passed what i need already for my college degree. took biology already, got like a B+ didnt think it was that hard. I hate chem so just not taking that. not needed for my field. always been amazing at history, english, anything to do with writing.
side question, if you have applied to colleges yet what do they tell you to do for grades / GPA? we didnt do any formal grading and the college ACTUALLY told us to just make something up... lol.
Dude that article really tugged some emotional strings, like seriously, the fact that I could be so emotionally effected by the story of some nerd who I knew nothing of (at least at the time) really took me off guard.
I liked the article but this guy's mother is pretty far out there. If you read the rest of her site, she says something about how freeing her mind healed her body and she believes that people only get phsyically sick because of the way they think.
My mom has a PH.D. in metaphysics and a Masters Degree in religious studies.... and she wants to write an article about Day[9]? oh my god, this is so freaking awesome.
Well Day[9] pretty much is a religion.
On a more serious note, that's really fucking cool she enjoyed it so much. Sort of makes me want to show it to my mom hahaha. Super jealous~
I had never seen Day 9 #100 until just now. That was inspirational, touching, funny, and encouraging. I am proud to be a gamer, and proud that I'm proud to be a gamer. I've never been able to effectively communicate to friends/family how important video games are to me and to other people. That video needs to be aired on television. I'm going to try... really try to get my 53 year old parents to watch this with me.
i've watched this a sooo many times. i put it on my ipod & watch it on road trips, when i can't sleep, etc etc. if my parents were better english speakers, i might've shown it to my mom/dad too!
I like the way your mother looks at things, don't know about the "no school at all" thing but I guess we could talk about that for hours (talk as in exchange, not discuss :>)
On November 18 2010 16:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Into the spotlight. I may ask my parents to watch D9D100 after reading this. Pretty sure they will love it.
Thanks Nazgul!!!
Definitely give it a shot if you think that your parents will be open to it, they might just surprise you like mine did
Pretty much sad that you don't understand - your mother is fan of YOU, not day[9]. She wants to share your interests. You are really very lucky with your mother, love her.
Take this coming from a teaching and research assistent in Law from a University in Vienna who has studied both Law and Economics:
Playing Warcraft 3 competitively has indeed prepared me way better for my two studies (which I finished ahead of time amongst the very best) compared to high school in two ways:
First: You are NOT the best, NEVER, there are ALWAYS people that are better than you. Suck it up and live with it. This lesson is so invaluable, I can't emphazise it enough. And you definitely can NOT learn this by studying. No way. You have to finde something you "want" to be good at....and actually continue to FAIL for a long time. Only then you learn to live with your flaws instead of getting an angry person. Eventually you'll overcome being pissed off and actively try to improve...like...all the time. You never sit back thinking "man, I'm awsome" and become more humble.
Second: Hard work always pays off. Talent is one of the most overrated things, talent comes into play if you are already among the best of the best. You can even become a good musician just by practicing, let alone things that are NOT related to art. So if you wanna become good at something, you HAVE to put hours and hours of work into it. Many admired me for studying Law in 3 years instead of the normally required 4 and still getting (almost) perfect grades. Many asked me how I did it. The answer is ridiculously simple - I just sat my ass down on the frickin chair and studied. Long hours. Day after day. If somebody is successfuly at something, there's never something magical behind it.
On November 18 2010 05:26 ShadezOwnage wrote: Can I ask about your "unschooling" ?
Sounds interesting. Brief history of your years 5-x please?
I'm interested in this as well. As someone who was extremely moved by D9D#100 I think it's awesome that it's getting notoriety even among people who aren't avid gamers.
That being said, I think your mom is crazy bro. This quote in particular bothers me: "He learned by gaming, watching television, and figuring things out on his own. My job was to trust his true Self to do the job–to lead him to whatever he needed or would need in life."
This in reference to you (OP), how does this sort of approach fare in developing you for integration into society?
it wasn't ALL from television and gaming, but I did learn a lot from those things. I learned economics from playing World of Warcraft (auctionhouse 101) spelling / vocab / grammar from typing during games, any time I didn't know a word I would look it up because I didn't want to sound dumb. science/history have there respective channels on TV. I still did some work with math books, read some literature etc. but it was rare, and I was still able to graduate highschool 2 years early. The thing that being unschooled has taught me more then anything, is that I can learn something if I WANT to, extremely easily. When I wanted my GED I had no problem studying and getting it.
To answer your main question though, I have basic knowledge in all subjects that are applicable to society, the rest is all about finding what I love to do (which for the time being is cooking) and figuring out the best source of knowledge available to me. I'm applying for a culinary apprenticeship in April, wish me luck! :D
That sounds pretty awesome. TBH, not that much that I learned from high school I'll ever use now or in the future. Most learning really does happen outside of school. The only question I have is, are you still eligible to apply for university/college? Because not having a degree of some sort actually closes off a lot of potential career opportunities out there in today's society.
Thanks for having such an open mind, I really enjoyed it growing up. Yes I am eligible to apply for colleges, I have a full blown highschool diploma from a school in Massachusetts that I've never even seen in my life.
you actually got a hs diploma? nice, i took the GED because I actually didnt have an option because current PA law is kinda messed up for homeschoolers, but either way the GED was so easy and colleges dont care, its all the GPA / SAT (or whatever your area has) scores. I actually did some math 'classes' but it was just a textbook that i would go through whenever i felt like it. did you do anything like that or just completely life experience learning? people tend to overlook how much learning you do outside of the classroom, I learned so much in boy scouts that even i didnt notice until later in life.
As for the harder 'subjects' like i said i worked on math, as it was part of the reason i left public school in sixth grade because I struggled with it. still not great at math but passed what i need already for my college degree. took biology already, got like a B+ didnt think it was that hard. I hate chem so just not taking that. not needed for my field. always been amazing at history, english, anything to do with writing.
side question, if you have applied to colleges yet what do they tell you to do for grades / GPA? we didnt do any formal grading and the college ACTUALLY told us to just make something up... lol.
Yeah! my mom was able to find a school that keeps you in part of their curriculum and as long as you follow it at the end you get a legitimate diploma. Virginia, by law, also made me take a yearly test to make sure I wasn't completely intellectually ignorant. I did a little bit of textbook work when I felt like I wasn't learning as much as I needed to, usually via "test-prep" books but I think they stopped making those at 8th grade. Other then those books I really just learned from life experience, figuring out how to use every situation as a learning tool became a pretty decent skill of mine.
Math was something that I worked on a little bit as well. Earth Science and Government were also a little difficult for me, but it wasn't too hard once I found the right tools to learn from. I also am terrible at Chem, I never had to do any sort of Chem in the state tests I was required to take so I know little to nothing about it. I did a little writing group for unschoolers for a few months once upon a time, unfortunately in Virginia where I grew up, most of them were extremely religious based so I really didn't enjoy them, but the kids were great writers and really loved it. I think that's a common thing for unschoolers to be drawn to, I don't know why though.
I haven't applied for any colleges because I want to pursue something in the Culinary field, but if I did need to give someone something regarding my GPA I would be able to give them my test results from the state CATs I used to have to take. That's pretty damn awesome that they told you to make it up though ahahahah.
Thank you for sharing this and big thanks to Day[9] for that awesome daily. Sharing this with as many people as I can. Too bad my parents don't speak English. ._.
On November 18 2010 08:42 bonifaceviii wrote: Reading his mom's bio explained why she gave Day[9] a chance. She's some kind of postmodernist, anti-structuralist new ager.
Don't misinterpret that as an insult, because it's not. This dude's mom has the ability to watch Day[9] non-judgementally because of what she is, and that's not a bad thing.
I just wouldn't take this dude's mom as a normal case.
I think the only problem would be getting a grown-up parent to watch the video, if they actually did take the time to watch it they'd love it. I'm pretty sure of it
Also, i wish i would get home schooled like the OP. Sounds like heaven to figure out life on your own
Makes me feel a bit justified in my current mindset. I don't fully share this with anybody irl, especially my family, but I don't take my university grades seriously at all. You wouldn't believe how mentally freeing it is to forget about studying for tests and to not put time into busywork homework and instead just learn.
I want to improve, I want to be creative, I want to use quick thinking, I want to meet likeminded people. In many ways my classes stifle creativity, but Starcraft let's me express my creativity and personality.
I love this game, and I'm proud that I play it. I'm just starting to be able to admit that, however... And the response has been pretty good. I wish I could make a career out of SC2 in some way...
My mom has a PH.D. in metaphysics and a Masters Degree in religious studies.... and she wants to write an article about Day[9]? oh my god, this is so freaking awesome.
Well Day[9] pretty much is a religion.
On a more serious note, that's really fucking cool she enjoyed it so much. Sort of makes me want to show it to my mom hahaha. Super jealous~
Day9 is NOT a religion. Day9ism cannot be seen as such.
People follow religion in the assumption that its right. People follow day9 because they KNOW hes right.
There's a certain margin of error that day9ism lacks to be called a religion.
I´ve tried to get my friends to watch #100 of Day9 but they refuses. Now i have watched episode 100 like 3 times, and i get emotional every time. I would also want my mom and my friends to see it. People outside of gaming really dont understand the life of a gamer. And the #100 really shows a life of a gamer
On November 18 2010 05:26 ShadezOwnage wrote: Can I ask about your "unschooling" ?
Sounds interesting. Brief history of your years 5-x please?
I'm interested in this as well. As someone who was extremely moved by D9D#100 I think it's awesome that it's getting notoriety even among people who aren't avid gamers.
That being said, I think your mom is crazy bro. This quote in particular bothers me: "He learned by gaming, watching television, and figuring things out on his own. My job was to trust his true Self to do the job–to lead him to whatever he needed or would need in life."
This in reference to you (OP), how does this sort of approach fare in developing you for integration into society?
it wasn't ALL from television and gaming, but I did learn a lot from those things. I learned economics from playing World of Warcraft (auctionhouse 101) spelling / vocab / grammar from typing during games, any time I didn't know a word I would look it up because I didn't want to sound dumb. science/history have there respective channels on TV. I still did some work with math books, read some literature etc. but it was rare, and I was still able to graduate highschool 2 years early. The thing that being unschooled has taught me more then anything, is that I can learn something if I WANT to, extremely easily. When I wanted my GED I had no problem studying and getting it.
To answer your main question though, I have basic knowledge in all subjects that are applicable to society, the rest is all about finding what I love to do (which for the time being is cooking) and figuring out the best source of knowledge available to me. I'm applying for a culinary apprenticeship in April, wish me luck! :D
That sounds pretty awesome. TBH, not that much that I learned from high school I'll ever use now or in the future. Most learning really does happen outside of school. The only question I have is, are you still eligible to apply for university/college? Because not having a degree of some sort actually closes off a lot of potential career opportunities out there in today's society.
The GED is basically equivalent to a high school diploma and really isn't too hard to get. My cousin was a HS dropout, got his GED and technically "graduated" high school a year early. I remember looking over his practice test when I was a freshmen in HS and I remember it being pretty easy... this was like 7 years ago though.
Pretty epic we got Mrs. Plott to show up n TL You're truly an inspiration for me when I have kids.
On November 18 2010 05:28 Day[9] wrote: <33333333333333333333 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Moms 4 life imo ^___^
Don't rub it in too much, some of us got stuck with real jerks. Showing her d9d#100 however did I think give us a brief moment of understanding (maybe 2-3 hours?). Although it was short, being able to produce any sort of connection between me and her was a stunning accomplishment, so thanks again for that. <3
btw thanks again for signing my license plate at Blizzcon, freakin sweet! <3 <3 + Show Spoiler +
I would have to disagree with your mother on certain points.
Developing one's memory (through memorization of miscellaneous information) is important, even nowadays, even if we have calculators, Wikipedia, and electronic dictionaries. An engineer needs to know his or her multiplication table, a journalist needs to know his or her irregular verbs and synonyms. There is no time to look it up, there are more important things to do. The perfect time to learn all this is in school, and, yes, through boring repetition. In some ways, school is supposed to be tiresome and monotonous. In other ways, it should be fun and intellectually challenging.
On November 19 2010 00:37 rAize- wrote: ROFL your mum cried? My mum wouldnt have time for shit like this, serioulsly, I love gaming n such and my mum has no problems with that but cmon...
did you watch it? i'm confident that everyone who watched it got a little choked up. if you didn't, you have no soul.
On November 19 2010 00:37 rAize- wrote: ROFL your mum cried? My mum wouldnt have time for shit like this, serioulsly, I love gaming n such and my mum has no problems with that but cmon...
did you watch it? i'm confident that everyone who watched it got a little choked up. if you didn't, you have no soul.
On November 19 2010 00:37 rAize- wrote: ROFL your mum cried? My mum wouldnt have time for shit like this, serioulsly, I love gaming n such and my mum has no problems with that but cmon...
did you watch it? i'm confident that everyone who watched it got a little choked up. if you didn't, you have no soul.
I read your moms article. Really very well written, and I think its amazing how she gets it. Im glad that other people that dont play these games, especially the older generation, are finally starting to get why we do this. Its not often that someone that isnt directly involved in our little commnity of gamers can understand the passion that we feel for what we do.
Kudos to your mom, and to you as well for makig her watch that daily!
I also love D9 #100. It's a gateway to Sean's soul and heart. Really moving. And the article is very well written. A very good read.
A question to all the SC players and eSports fans: do you think if we show the #100 daily to our parents we could start a revolution? I want to believe we can.
just went through that article and before i read it and just read your op i had in mind that this would be just an article of a mom pretending that she understands why you're doing what you're doing to show you her love... and man was i wrong! this article almost got me as much as the daily itself she clearly knows what she's talking about! not so much about the sc itself because obviously she never played it but the ideas behind it...well done mrs eck!
I have Starcraft 2 as my Wallpaper at work... and EVERYONE asks me "WTF is that?" I always answer "it is the best video game ever and I pretty much play it every night..." Most are very surprised because I am a Civil Engineer and suppose to be 'grown up', but I love Starcraft and I love that I love Starcraft. I played Starcraft since the beta and I don't intend on stopping anytime soon. I might not play at high level right now, but that doesn't mean I can't in a year or two when I get a little bit more free time.
Thanks OP for the great post and thanks Day9 for the great daily.
Great read, cool thought of your mother and thanks for sharing! If someone seriously watched D9 #100 and wasn't at least close to shed MAYBE ONE OR TWO MANLY tears, I side with the guys who said they don't have a soul. Seriously.
Also, I kinda feel like I should behave properly, Mrs. Plott and Day[9] could maybe read this thread again.... >_>
At first I was like "Your mom cried while watching a video about a guy who analyzes StarCraft games? That seems a bit odd..." but then I watched it, and I totally got it. Thanks for sharing this. =)
On November 19 2010 05:51 ninazerg wrote: At first I was like "Your mom cried while watching a video about a guy who analyzes StarCraft games? That seems a bit odd..." but then I watched it, and I totally got it. Thanks for sharing this. =)
This encompasses everything about the article and I think it perfectly describes what's happening. To steal from Monsieur Plott, I love that I love all of this. The passion is so awesome in our community. :D
Your mom is possibly one of the coolest elder folk for writing that article. Though, I have to say that Day[9] is really an easy person to get along with or start liking. I was a fan since before his cast of Chill v. Combat-ex because he seemed like such a cool fellow. =D
I am probably gonna get a ton of shit for this, but why is everybody so blown away by this article? I mean yeah i'm happy for the OP that his mom understands why does he like games and is having this epiphany but the article is just a sum up Day[9]'s video with a couple of very wrong conclusions about not studying being ok as long as you play games.
On November 19 2010 10:20 RoyalCheese wrote: I am probably gonna get a ton of shit for this, but why is everybody so blown away by this article? I mean yeah i'm happy for the OP that his mom understands why does he like games and is having this epiphany but the article is just a sum up Day[9]'s video with a couple of very wrong conclusions about not studying being ok as long as you play games.
Honestly, I think a lot of people didn't read the linked article. Don't get me wrong, I loved the tone of the article and that his mom is open minded and supportive, but with quotes like, "I once asked my son about this, knowing that he probably knew more than most therapists," and, "Years ago, I noticed that if I let my kids eat all the candy and television they wanted, they soon normalized on their own," you can't take any of it seriously.
Just take it as a well-motivated and perhaps overhyped article.
Very nice, but people who think children are born good and are un-good-ised by society make me cringe. Children are probably the most selfish creatures I've ever seen. That's natural, they simply don't have the ability to grasp concepts like the feelings of others, but to think that we should learn from them...
Still, differences in opinion aside, that's very cool.
On November 19 2010 10:20 RoyalCheese wrote: I am probably gonna get a ton of shit for this, but why is everybody so blown away by this article? I mean yeah i'm happy for the OP that his mom understands why does he like games and is having this epiphany but the article is just a sum up Day[9]'s video with a couple of very wrong conclusions about not studying being ok as long as you play games.
Your mom is a great writer. The first paragraph alone was powerful enough to stand on its own. But holy shit, this article is fantastic. Emailing it to MY mother now, in the hopes that it'll help her understand for once... I doubt it though. You are lucky to have the mother you have. Hope you are nice to her on the holidays!
On November 19 2010 10:20 RoyalCheese wrote: I am probably gonna get a ton of shit for this, but why is everybody so blown away by this article? I mean yeah i'm happy for the OP that his mom understands why does he like games and is having this epiphany but the article is just a sum up Day[9]'s video with a couple of very wrong conclusions about not studying being ok as long as you play games.
I was about to write the same thing.
You guys probably have trouble thinking outside the box, which is also the sadness that leads to the world we live in.
What the mom is trying to say is that society has collectively decided what they think is the "right" way to think, learn, and live life, and that in reality society is quite wrong in its collective thinking. A more enlightened individual learns to refute what society tells them is right, and chooses to follow what their heart knows is right. In Day9's case it is gaming. It's why the mother was moved to tears watching his 100th episode. She saw the passion he had, and saw that he had broken out of the shackles of conventional thought.
Hopefully one day you'll do the same, instead of arbitrarily reducing a complex idea into doggy doo.
On November 19 2010 10:20 RoyalCheese wrote: I am probably gonna get a ton of shit for this, but why is everybody so blown away by this article? I mean yeah i'm happy for the OP that his mom understands why does he like games and is having this epiphany but the article is just a sum up Day[9]'s video with a couple of very wrong conclusions about not studying being ok as long as you play games.
I was about to write the same thing.
You guys probably have trouble thinking outside the box, which is also the sadness that leads to the world we live in.
What the mom is trying to say is that society has collectively decided what they think is the "right" way to think, learn, and live life, and that in reality society is quite wrong in its collective thinking. A more enlightened individual learns to refute what society tells them is right, and chooses to follow what their heart knows is right. In Day9's case it is gaming. It's why the mother was moved to tears watching his 100th episode. She saw the passion he had, and saw that he had broken out of the shackles of conventional thought.
Hopefully one day you'll do the same, instead of arbitrarily reducing a complex idea into doggy doo.
On November 19 2010 10:20 RoyalCheese wrote: I am probably gonna get a ton of shit for this, but why is everybody so blown away by this article? I mean yeah i'm happy for the OP that his mom understands why does he like games and is having this epiphany but the article is just a sum up Day[9]'s video with a couple of very wrong conclusions about not studying being ok as long as you play games.
Honestly, I think a lot of people didn't read the linked article. Don't get me wrong, I loved the tone of the article and that his mom is open minded and supportive, but with quotes like, "I once asked my son about this, knowing that he probably knew more than most therapists," and, "Years ago, I noticed that if I let my kids eat all the candy and television they wanted, they soon normalized on their own," you can't take any of it seriously.
Just take it as a well-motivated and perhaps overhyped article.
I wouldn't really conclude that because you don't like some parts of her article that other people didn't read it or that it couldn't be taken seriously.
I would totally agree to the part that the kids playing the game should probably know a lot about the game. At least in germany were enough idiot professors and therapists that didn't have a clue about a game (someone once said you get extra points for killing other people slow and brutal... in CS. Yeah sure...) and still blamed pretty much everything on it.
And the other part, I think it is more or less known that kids to adjust on a lot of things themselves. I've seen the "eat as much candy as you want" thing go both totally wrong and totally okay. Parents just have to intervene a bit if it goes wrong...
I don't think the women that did wrote that stuff did some terrible parenting fail, maybe she didn't explain everything, but she does sound rather intelligent if you care to browse through her blog/her bio. But to me, her article is sound anyways.
You've got an awesome mom, dude! It reminds of the time when my father and i were watching pro-BW together.
And the article is really well written, and it is not supposed to appeal to you, it is supposed to appeal to people who know nothing of the game, so using arguments such as "Day[9] didn't say exactly that!" to point that it is not good...well...they are just stupid
On November 19 2010 14:40 SubPointOA wrote: i would show this to my mom if only her english was better...
10 years in the country and still "no speaky English"?
On November 19 2010 10:20 RoyalCheese wrote: I am probably gonna get a ton of shit for this, but why is everybody so blown away by this article? I mean yeah i'm happy for the OP that his mom understands why does he like games and is having this epiphany but the article is just a sum up Day[9]'s video with a couple of very wrong conclusions about not studying being ok as long as you play games.
I was about to write the same thing.
You guys probably have trouble thinking outside the box, which is also the sadness that leads to the world we live in.
What the mom is trying to say is that society has collectively decided what they think is the "right" way to think, learn, and live life, and that in reality society is quite wrong in its collective thinking. A more enlightened individual learns to refute what society tells them is right, and chooses to follow what their heart knows is right. In Day9's case it is gaming. It's why the mother was moved to tears watching his 100th episode. She saw the passion he had, and saw that he had broken out of the shackles of conventional thought.
Hopefully one day you'll do the same, instead of arbitrarily reducing a complex idea into doggy doo.
You know Sean studies for PhD (or Masters degree, not sure), right? Nothing is Day9's video nor in the article proves that
society has collectively decided what they think is the "right" way to think, learn, and live life, and that in reality society is quite wrong in its collective thinking
Okay yes its quiet heart-warming and stuff but c'mon, video gaming isnt all that good either, anyone thinking that playing 8 hours of video gaming a day is normal well then good night, whatever you say, hardcore gamers usualy lack social contacts (FB friends are not FRIENDS) I dont really want to get into this convo because it leads nowhere and only the "cool" gamers will understand me and all of the nerds will rage me. So screw this, this community is great and everyone loves each other but thats mostly because of the fact that its nerd-filled!
On November 19 2010 20:01 rAize- wrote: Okay yes its quiet heart-warming and stuff but c'mon, video gaming isnt all that good either, anyone thinking that playing 8 hours of video gaming a day is normal well then good night, whatever you say, hardcore gamers usualy lack social contacts (FB friends are not FRIENDS) I dont really want to get into this convo because it leads nowhere and only the "cool" gamers will understand me and all of the nerds will rage me. So screw this, this community is great and everyone loves each other but thats mostly because of the fact that its nerd-filled!
'im the cool guy that plays games, everyone else here must be a no lifer even though im full of awesome' you're the worst kind of trash
On November 19 2010 20:41 rAize- wrote: not really everyone, but c'mon the majority are.
im a nerd proud of it, also a hardcore gamer... proud of it, i don't get your point, I've got friends on WoW and FB ARE real, and so is my night elf girlfriend, your argument amuses me though, so continue "cool" gamer
in all seriousness, is that seriously how you view hardcore gamers, as incapable of having relationships with human beings? That's a pretty one dimensional view..
No I dont, but alot of them are. People just seem to lose track and live inside the pc world too much. Basically my point is instead of playing too many games or too often, spend your time with other hobbies where you do stuff outside! I love gaming, but hardcoregaming always diminishes time for other stuff that should be done instead!
Why do you have to do stuff outside? Because it's normal? Because it's healthy?
Why don't you allow people to live their life the way they want to? I think it's pathetic that you claim to know how people should live their lives. The fact is, you like to go outside, go to a bar with your 'real' friends or something. Others like to go on a raid with their WoW friends (who are just as real and with whom you can have just as much fun).
I'm new to SC in the sense that i started at SC2's release and i'd never seen this daily so thanks for linking it, the article was great and i did show it to my mom to help her understand why i spend so much time on games, even if i'm nowhere near professional level.
On November 19 2010 20:56 rAize- wrote: No I dont, but alot of them are. People just seem to lose track and live inside the pc world too much. Basically my point is instead of playing too many games or too often, spend your time with other hobbies where you do stuff outside! I love gaming, but hardcoregaming always diminishes time for other stuff that should be done instead!
umm, what other "stuff" should be done instead. I have gamed hardcore since i hit 10th grade, the social skills i developed, working in a team, dedication and commitment. Yeah, it came from a team based FPS background, where we talked and communicated the entire time so it developed social skills, starcraft is solitary mostly but you can still apply those skills. Throwing time at something, where there is no problem solving, solutions, or interaction will more likely than not lead to lackluster social skills.
Just "playing games" wont get you shit in terms of skills. You either have to get social experience, extreme amounts of dedication and problem solving, or basically its just not giving you skills for all the time you are putting in.
Its like the kid that play Final Fantasy all day, he doesn't really solve problems, he just plays, and he plays alot, and he is not learning shit.
On November 19 2010 10:20 RoyalCheese wrote: I am probably gonna get a ton of shit for this, but why is everybody so blown away by this article? I mean yeah i'm happy for the OP that his mom understands why does he like games and is having this epiphany but the article is just a sum up Day[9]'s video with a couple of very wrong conclusions about not studying being ok as long as you play games.
I was about to write the same thing.
You guys probably have trouble thinking outside the box, which is also the sadness that leads to the world we live in.
What the mom is trying to say is that society has collectively decided what they think is the "right" way to think, learn, and live life, and that in reality society is quite wrong in its collective thinking. A more enlightened individual learns to refute what society tells them is right, and chooses to follow what their heart knows is right. In Day9's case it is gaming. It's why the mother was moved to tears watching his 100th episode. She saw the passion he had, and saw that he had broken out of the shackles of conventional thought.
Hopefully one day you'll do the same, instead of arbitrarily reducing a complex idea into doggy doo.
You know Sean studies for PhD (or Masters degree, not sure), right? Nothing is Day9's video nor in the article proves that
society has collectively decided what they think is the "right" way to think, learn, and live life, and that in reality society is quite wrong in its collective thinking
. Or at least i am not smart enough to see it.
I think more people should see what's in the Bold. I feel the author uses Day9 as "support" for her already drawn conclusions on how people "should" be. She doesn't really consider how Day9's triumphs are exactly counter to what she is preaching, but rather continues on using his story as an example for her conclusions. The preachiness aside, I feel it's a great summary and would gladly share it with others.
In other words, I enjoyed the article and I'm glad Sean is getting recognition for his hard work. However, the preachy parts within the article, I could do without. I found myself turned off when the author would "prove" her son was smart from 1 game of scrabble, or suggest that world leaders should follow Day9's path. I felt that was unnecessary and ruined parts of an otherwise great summary.
This thread has 3 kinds of people. The people who go "oh, cool." The people who're coming out of the closet because their passion is vindicated by somebody else, and the people who go "this is fucking pitiful."
Well let me tell you what, person type 3, the most educational thing I have EVER done, in my LIFE, was my 4 years of wrestling in high school. That taught me the meaning of hard work and dedication. If I fucked up, I was the only person to blame. There was a team counting on me. It was a physical process, revised over and over through endless drill practice after practice. It hurt, I'd literally get pounded into the ground, and I transformed from a scrawny little 130 lb stick boy to a 160 lb mass of concentrated muscle. If you haven't wrestled for an extended period of time, you don't know what its like. I'm not saying its the most hardcore shit or that this is even a contest, but the same way you don't know what SC is like if you haven't played it and you can't appreciate it.
Learning how to learn, taking personal responsibility, learning from failure...these aren't lessons taught in our schooling systems. School doesn't put the drive to become better, faster or smarter. It doesn't put a goal in front of you or the will to become the best. It just evaluates your worth as a person with numbers.
So if you're marginalizing this process because SC is a video game and its a bunch of "no-life nerds" finally getting the balls to come out of the closet, get the fuck off this site. Seriously, just go grab something and shove it up your ass violently until you bleed. Whether your points are valid or not, this is not the place for that.
I e-mailed that article to my mom as soon as I read it.
On November 20 2010 05:55 KurtistheTurtle wrote: Learning how to learn, taking personal responsibility, learning from failure...these aren't lessons taught in our schooling systems. School doesn't put the drive to become better, faster or smarter. It doesn't put a goal in front of you or the will to become the best.
All of this is true. But just because you learn certain things outside of a classroom environment does not mean the classroom environment is useless.
School is a method of civic indoctrination. It's neither good nor bad, it is what it is.
though I asked my dad to read it (and watch day9 100) and well..
me: "did you look into it" him: "yeah I read through it quickly" (I have him the url to the article, day9 100 on bliptv, and the economist article) me: "what did you think about it" him: (ok I can't remember what he said completely but he was like mainly "why, what's the point of you showing this") me: q.q nevermind...
Another fun thing to show family members is the 2005 national geographic special on WCG and XellOs. Both my parents watched that years ago and loved it and appreciated/understood my obsessions more after that.
talking about this, I'm sure bw ppl have seen it but new guys might not have seen it yet: (part 1)+ Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2010 06:54 zhurai wrote: such a good article...
though I asked my dad to read it (and watch day9 100) and well..
me: "did you look into it" him: "yeah I read through it quickly" (I have him the url to the article, day9 100 on bliptv, and the economist article) me: "what did you think about it" him: (ok I can't remember what he said completely but he was like mainly "why, what's the point of you showing this") me: q.q nevermind...
Well I wouldn't agree with no schooling... and asmuch as I love gaming, there are many hazards in the esport aswell and I would prefer to mention and combat those aswell instead of pure praise.
But great article nevertheless, Love day9 for being such a badass.
On November 19 2010 21:37 Liveon wrote: Why do you have to do stuff outside? Because it's normal? Because it's healthy?
Don't judge people by the way they live.
How else would you judge them? Ofcourse aslong as a person loves what he is doing and, as Day9 said; Loves that he loves what he is doing... that's all fine. But you can't denay there are multitudes of people escaping chores, work, studies just to play games constantly.
Not all gamers are like that, ofcourse, but it would give "normal" people way to much gunpowder to ignore that fact and only mention gamings positive sides.
Thing is, I have been a hardcore gamer for a couple of years, playing for Team Germany in Day Of Defeat. I know how it is to come home from school and instead of meeting friends, I'd rather turn on IRC and practice a bit and then hop on to ventrillo or teamspeak and get wars going all day long. Of course you meet alot of people, have conversations, even deep ones. You get to know new friends, even in RL when you meet them at lan. But I stopped doing that, because in my opinion Its not what one should do, I still play games, I love them but now I do it when I am bored at home or got nothing else to do OR when I just feel like them but if you feel like them all the time then I dont think thats very good.
Its undenyable that a big percentage of the hardcore gamers just want to go home and play games. I personnaly just dont consider this a normal life FOR MYSELF, people can do what they want. But I prefere meeting new friends, spending time outside, grab a drink or get to know new hobbies, rafting, tennis whatever, experience what life has to offer and I dont find that when playing pc all day long! My personal opinion, ive been both hardcore and casual gamer so I think, for myself I am very well capable of judging.
Now, if people say: "well just because you played all day long, doesnt mean that others do" but if we are talking about hardcore gamers, then I think its obvious we are not talking about a casual gamer that can easly mix normal activies with gaming. I dont think a hardcore gamer has a healthy balance. MY POINT OF VIEW! so dont insult me for my opinion!
Okay, so let me get this straight, this woman watched day9 and now she... The argument she's making is that kids who're useless and play video games all day long get ahead of their peers who go to school and do other things, like play sports and become active in the community? And she's basing this on what...?
No, I don't really think that by gaming you automatically get a bunch of useful qualities that will aid you in life. You're just playing a game. Entertainment. Starcraft or no. But if you have a good personality - good traits - that allow you to excel in gaming, then well yeah that will also help you in life. But if you just waste your life playing games and disregard everything else, thus not getting any useful real-life experiences, then no, I don't think you'll get ahead in life. And it doesn't look particularly good on a resume either.
Personally I believe that a variety of different experiences will, by their contrast, make you grow as a person, and excel in life in general. Encountering different people, seeing different things, doing different things. Talking to people, learning from their lives, etc.
This was pretty awesome i have to say, i'm glad more people are out there taking an intelligent view on things instead of just saying your a loser because you play games i actually went over a post the other day about some WoW nerd ranting that games destroyed his life.When you dont know when to stop and get sucked in to a stupid game like that its your own fault not the games if you dont know when to get up and go outside dont blame the game, that would be like someone eating at McDonalds everyday for a month and have a heart attack and blame mcdonalds.
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. That's kinda weird because my grandma is totally supportive about it XD
she really seems to be great
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