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SoLaR[i.C]
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-25 17:13:00
July 25 2010 17:05 GMT
#1821
I don't know if this particular website has been posted yet, but I've found it to be one of the best!
You can browse by muscle groups for anatomical pictures, exercises, and stretches.

http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

Also, a word of advice for those who are newly trying out heavy, low rep lifts: STRETCH. I spent almost 6 months not being able to lift my left arm higher than my sternum because I didn't properly train, stretch, or warm up my rotator cuff/shoulder stabilizers prior to heavy lifts.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
July 25 2010 19:34 GMT
#1822
On July 25 2010 16:29 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 13:57 AoN.DimSum wrote:
I hurt this part of my hand over two weeks ago. My coach told me to get it checked out. (bad use of paint i know)


[image loading]


Would you recommend anything to help recovery? I been icing and using some heat with ibuprofen.



I'd get it checked. That's pretty vague picture?

What movements hurt?

Anything over on the thumb side generally isn't good ebcause it doesn't get a lot of blood supply so it heals slower or may not heal well.

Probably a good idea to get it checked out by a professional



I any pressure i put on my hand hurts, I cant even rack the barbell on my shoulders. So any pressing, snatch type movements hurt. It has been getting better though.

Thanks
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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
July 25 2010 19:48 GMT
#1823
On July 26 2010 02:05 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
I don't know if this particular website has been posted yet, but I've found it to be one of the best!
You can browse by muscle groups for anatomical pictures, exercises, and stretches.

http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

Also, a word of advice for those who are newly trying out heavy, low rep lifts: STRETCH. I spent almost 6 months not being able to lift my left arm higher than my sternum because I didn't properly train, stretch, or warm up my rotator cuff/shoulder stabilizers prior to heavy lifts.


i like to use http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/

it has graphical layout of muscles, has youtube videos of the workouts, and people can 'score' the workout as well so you get an idea of its effectiveness. great site. also has a phenomenal supplements store with descriptions, nutritional info, and again, user reviews.
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StimD
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Norway738 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-25 22:29:05
July 25 2010 22:28 GMT
#1824
On July 10 2010 07:41 eshlow wrote:
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On July 10 2010 05:44 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
ive been having a bit of a form problem when doing squats. I taped myself and im actually leaning towards my right side a bit when @ the bottom of the squat, and when going up, but at the top it stabilizes. Does anyone know how to fix this problem?


Could be a mobility issue.

Check out the 'squat rx' vids on youtube and see if they help you.

Show nested quote +
On July 09 2010 23:03 StimD wrote:
Do you guys have any experiences with rounded shoulders? My left shoulder suddently started hurting a few weeks ago, and my physiotherapist told me that I've over-focused on pressing exercises in my training regime. Can't really understand that, I've been doing a lot of pull ups the last few years. Anyway, he told me to exclude my chest training for a while and focus more on pulling exercises. He further gave me a stretching exercise that he told me to do as many times a day as I felt like, and also recommended me a rotator cuff exercise.

Should I just neglect my chest (gasp) and do more pulling exercises until it gets better? Which exercises would you recommend? I'm currently doing a lot of face-pulls, seated rowing and incline lateral raises. Any suggestions?


THe problem with VERTICAL pulling exercises is that they mainly use yoru shoulders adductors -- lats, teres major, lats -- these are ALL internal rotators of the shoulder and make your posture suck more as your shoulders roll forward. Combine that with pressing and there you go..... shoulder imbalance/poor posture pain

Only horizontal pulling exercises are more effective in balancing things out. Strict regiment of vertical pulling exercises doesn't really work by itself.


Having been on BB.com a lot back in the day I developed a response for this that works.... if you do most of that stuff:

Best thing you can do is focus on posture. Hold your shoulders back, retract the scapulas, chest up and out, chin tucked back. Do this all the time. Yes, you will be sore but your body will adapt correctly within a week most of the time.

1. Drop all pressing movements
2. Do lots of horizontal pulling (rowing.... except NOT upright rows)
3. Strengthen ONLY your external rotators... ignore internal rotators
4. foam roll thoracic spine + mobility work (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-improve-thoracic-spine-mobility/ )
5. Ice after any exercise/swelling
6. Band dislocates & wall slides (youtube these)
7. Lots of massage/tennis balling/etc. from the scapulae to the anterior shoulders.
8. Stretch chest and lats. A LOT. Use a basketball to roll out your chest, especially the pec minor as well. If you can't get it well use your hands to massage.
9. Fish oil for anti-inflammatory, joint supps if you need any (sections 4&5 describe these here):
http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/08/on-tendonitis/

9. Do nerve glides wfs
10. Deep tissue massage to everything in your upper body. And by everything I mean EVERYTHING. Down into the forearms as well.

11. Correct your posture!!!!!!!


Also, diesel crew rehab vid is a good one for restrengthening your shoulders once you start getting back into it:


Here's a good article series about posture as well (Neanderthal No More):
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459379
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459206
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=462481
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=472224
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=535872


Thank you for this informative post. I've been trying to follow up on your advices, although I haven't been able to do them all. I have a few questions though:

1. Could you provide me with a more specific program? Like how many times a week should I do the wall slides and for how many reps/sets.
2. What will be best on the horizontal rows? Few or many reps?
3. Are deadlifts O.K? No pain, but haven't really lifted heavy after my shoulder started hurting.
4. As a poor student I can't really afford going to massage institues on a weekly basis. Is this very important?
5. After a swimming session my shoulder joints feel much better, but I've heard swimmers often get problematic shoulders. Should I swim or not?
6. You say I should stretch a lot, what does that mean? 5x a day? Any good stretches for the lats? How long should I hold?
7. You say I should use a bball to stretch out my chest. How exactly?
8. In your opinion, why is it that the only shoulder that hurts is my left? I'm right-handed, but left side is overdeveloped for some reason. Especially the left pec. The left shoulder just feels tired. There are some popping sounds when I rotate it counter-clockwise as well. Is this some kind of inflammation?



RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-26 02:42:24
July 26 2010 02:41 GMT
#1825
I had a hell of a workout today. While I was only doing 185 on squats, my form felt impeccable. I kept my chest up, my face angled to look 6' in front of me, and I was pushing off of my heels for the hip drive. I definitely felt that in my glutes today. Also, I did 6/4/4 on chin-ups with 15 pounds attached, which is a new record for me. Next week I'm going to start increasing the weight on chin-ups linearly to see where it takes me.

Quick question: Does anybody else get hip flexor soreness from squatting? On my first two warmup sets today (the bar only ones) my hip flexors hurt pretty bad, but that went away once I started adding weight. Does this muscle soreness indicate poor squat form?
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-26 03:43:59
July 26 2010 03:39 GMT
#1826
nvm found one
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Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
July 26 2010 04:26 GMT
#1827
On July 26 2010 04:48 a176 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2010 02:05 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
I don't know if this particular website has been posted yet, but I've found it to be one of the best!
You can browse by muscle groups for anatomical pictures, exercises, and stretches.

http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

Also, a word of advice for those who are newly trying out heavy, low rep lifts: STRETCH. I spent almost 6 months not being able to lift my left arm higher than my sternum because I didn't properly train, stretch, or warm up my rotator cuff/shoulder stabilizers prior to heavy lifts.


i like to use http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/

it has graphical layout of muscles, has youtube videos of the workouts, and people can 'score' the workout as well so you get an idea of its effectiveness. great site. also has a phenomenal supplements store with descriptions, nutritional info, and again, user reviews.



the exrx one is far superior. The bb.com one makes my brain hurt and there are a lot of exercises done with abysmal form. (look at their overhead squats lol)
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mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-26 06:56:30
July 26 2010 06:56 GMT
#1828
so i've put on almost 20 pounds now

i'm not really sure how much of it is muscle or fat, but it doesn't really matter cuz i'm most likely going to overshoot and trim down with cardio, which i'm amazing at.

SO when should I work running in? i'm 140 now, target weight is 150 by end of august, 180 by end of year. should I start now or wait till I'm closer to my target weight?
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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
July 26 2010 07:53 GMT
#1829
On July 26 2010 15:56 mOnion wrote:
so i've put on almost 20 pounds now

i'm not really sure how much of it is muscle or fat, but it doesn't really matter cuz i'm most likely going to overshoot and trim down with cardio, which i'm amazing at.

SO when should I work running in? i'm 140 now, target weight is 150 by end of august, 180 by end of year. should I start now or wait till I'm closer to my target weight?


Wait. Starting too early will hurt your progression with SS severely. You are still so thin, you are not in a hurry.
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kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
July 26 2010 13:44 GMT
#1830
Squats yesterday at 225! only 5/5/4 though. Hopefully I can get that last rep in by the next workout.

Deadlifts at 1x5x295 were super easy though! =D
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
July 26 2010 16:49 GMT
#1831
On July 26 2010 15:56 mOnion wrote:
so i've put on almost 20 pounds now

i'm not really sure how much of it is muscle or fat, but it doesn't really matter cuz i'm most likely going to overshoot and trim down with cardio, which i'm amazing at.

SO when should I work running in? i'm 140 now, target weight is 150 by end of august, 180 by end of year. should I start now or wait till I'm closer to my target weight?

Just look in the mirror and you should be able to tell if its mostly muscle or fat. Just keep eating healthy and lifting. Sick gains though, you might be getting close to looking normal lol :p
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
July 26 2010 19:41 GMT
#1832
On July 27 2010 01:49 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2010 15:56 mOnion wrote:
so i've put on almost 20 pounds now

i'm not really sure how much of it is muscle or fat, but it doesn't really matter cuz i'm most likely going to overshoot and trim down with cardio, which i'm amazing at.

SO when should I work running in? i'm 140 now, target weight is 150 by end of august, 180 by end of year. should I start now or wait till I'm closer to my target weight?

Just look in the mirror and you should be able to tell if its mostly muscle or fat. Just keep eating healthy and lifting. Sick gains though, you might be getting close to looking normal lol :p


gettin close
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
July 26 2010 20:19 GMT
#1833
my wrist has set me back months and months
it sucks so bad
even now after being super patient and rehabilitation it's still considerably weaker than it was
and after a half-decent workout i need at least 2 rest days before i can do any push again

oh well at least i can do any push now
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
July 26 2010 23:49 GMT
#1834
On July 27 2010 05:19 travis wrote:
my wrist has set me back months and months
it sucks so bad
even now after being super patient and rehabilitation it's still considerably weaker than it was
and after a half-decent workout i need at least 2 rest days before i can do any push again

oh well at least i can do any push now


That doesnt inspire much hope I'm going on like a month of no pushing exercises, my back is going to be stronger than my chest soon T_T. gonna be benching like a mofo as soon as i can.

Deadlifted @ 10x225 8x280 6x305 6x330 6x360 6x385. Tricep slamdown on the last rep felt awesome. I guess my deadlift has more room to grow than my squat, hoping to hit 500 in the nearish future. Then did 10/8/6/8/6 for pullups (i was pretty angry when i got that second set of 8 lol)

I think the high school football coaches were hoping i was an incoming transfer or something rofl.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Miss_Cleo
Profile Joined March 2010
United States406 Posts
July 27 2010 00:06 GMT
#1835
I run about 2.3 - 2.5 miles 5 times a week, and I'm starting to feel pain on my left knee. I also hit the gym for about an hour before I run. Any tips on recovering and reducing knee/joint pain? I ice my knee after I run and apply bengay, but it's not helping much. I'm starting to get discouraged, I love running but it's really beating up my body and ANY tips would be useful.

I run on paved road and I have good Nike running shoes.
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
July 27 2010 00:07 GMT
#1836
Speaking of pullups, are there any opinions of the kipping or the crossfit style pullup vs the traditional pullup? I have a pullup bar at home and I tried the kipping one, I managed to squeeze 30% more reps out of each set, and I felt just as fatigued afterwards.

Currently I'm training for strength and fitness and not so much physique.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-27 00:28:27
July 27 2010 00:26 GMT
#1837
On July 27 2010 08:49 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2010 05:19 travis wrote:
my wrist has set me back months and months
it sucks so bad
even now after being super patient and rehabilitation it's still considerably weaker than it was
and after a half-decent workout i need at least 2 rest days before i can do any push again

oh well at least i can do any push now


That doesnt inspire much hope I'm going on like a month of no pushing exercises, my back is going to be stronger than my chest soon T_T. gonna be benching like a mofo as soon as i can.

Deadlifted @ 10x225 8x280 6x305 6x330 6x360 6x385. Tricep slamdown on the last rep felt awesome. I guess my deadlift has more room to grow than my squat, hoping to hit 500 in the nearish future. Then did 10/8/6/8/6 for pullups (i was pretty angry when i got that second set of 8 lol)

I think the high school football coaches were hoping i was an incoming transfer or something rofl.


yeah man really let it heal before you do any hard push
planche stuff in particular is super hard on wrist though, i dont know how hard heavy lifting is in comparison, planche really pushes the wrist back so you might be ok to start sooner
but justb e careful

i prolly coulda healed a month ago or sooner if i had just been more careful about not coming back to planche work too soon

how much do you weigh again? that deadlift work seems so high volume



On July 27 2010 09:07 Energies wrote:
Speaking of pullups, are there any opinions of the kipping or the crossfit style pullup vs the traditional pullup? I have a pullup bar at home and I tried the kipping one, I managed to squeeze 30% more reps out of each set, and I felt just as fatigued afterwards.

Currently I'm training for strength and fitness and not so much physique.


On June 30 2010 13:43 eshlow wrote:
Yeah, people knock kipping pullups like theyre inferior to strict but they're really just a different movement altogether to be used for different purposes. Great metabolic movement...



this is as much as I know about them lol
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
July 27 2010 00:33 GMT
#1838
On July 27 2010 09:06 Miss_Cleo wrote:
I run about 2.3 - 2.5 miles 5 times a week, and I'm starting to feel pain on my left knee. I also hit the gym for about an hour before I run. Any tips on recovering and reducing knee/joint pain? I ice my knee after I run and apply bengay, but it's not helping much. I'm starting to get discouraged, I love running but it's really beating up my body and ANY tips would be useful.

I run on paved road and I have good Nike running shoes.


Try to run on a track or grass if you can its much easier on your joints, it helped with my shins .

alsi have something weird with my back from deadlift. It's not pain per se it just feels really weird when I round my back instead of keeping it flat in my lower back.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
koOl
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada254 Posts
July 27 2010 00:40 GMT
#1839
On July 27 2010 09:06 Miss_Cleo wrote:
I run about 2.3 - 2.5 miles 5 times a week, and I'm starting to feel pain on my left knee. I also hit the gym for about an hour before I run. Any tips on recovering and reducing knee/joint pain? I ice my knee after I run and apply bengay, but it's not helping much. I'm starting to get discouraged, I love running but it's really beating up my body and ANY tips would be useful.

I run on paved road and I have good Nike running shoes.


I run on a track and field team and what our coach has always told us is to increase ur miles by at most 10% a week and train on soft surfaces like grass and trails. that means u should go back down to a low mileage..maybe 2 or 3 runs a week and then every week slowly increase the amount u run. this will reduce risk of injuries and eventually allow u to build up to a mileage u couldnt reach before
hihi
Miss_Cleo
Profile Joined March 2010
United States406 Posts
July 27 2010 00:55 GMT
#1840
On July 27 2010 09:40 koOl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2010 09:06 Miss_Cleo wrote:
I run about 2.3 - 2.5 miles 5 times a week, and I'm starting to feel pain on my left knee. I also hit the gym for about an hour before I run. Any tips on recovering and reducing knee/joint pain? I ice my knee after I run and apply bengay, but it's not helping much. I'm starting to get discouraged, I love running but it's really beating up my body and ANY tips would be useful.

I run on paved road and I have good Nike running shoes.


I run on a track and field team and what our coach has always told us is to increase ur miles by at most 10% a week and train on soft surfaces like grass and trails. that means u should go back down to a low mileage..maybe 2 or 3 runs a week and then every week slowly increase the amount u run. this will reduce risk of injuries and eventually allow u to build up to a mileage u couldnt reach before



It's usually my knee or feet that gives out when I run. I feel like I have enough energy, will, and lungpower to plow out more miles, but I start feeling sharp pains in my leg joints. Ill take some of you guys' advice and start running on grass and dirt trails, but it's really hard to find them in the middle of Los Angeles. I hate driving in order to find a place to run, but if it helps me in the long run I'm up for it. If anyone lives around Mid-city Los Angeles and knows good running spots, please respond. I usually run at Pan Pacific Park by the Grove.
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