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pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
September 07 2010 10:38 GMT
#2381
eh sorry but most people at gyms don't know what they are doing.

romanian DL is rather specific. the standard DL is better understood if you concentrate on driving your heels through the floor rather than focusing on pulling the bar up. same thing with bench, try to focus on pushing your back and lats into the bench and not pushing the weight up.

my DL is pretty low cuz I've been using lowerback too much =( my form is better now
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
September 07 2010 11:16 GMT
#2382
I had someone come up to me once and give me advice when I was squatting, he said I should look up while I'm coming up, he said I would be able to lift a lot more. I had about 110kg on the bar so I looked at him and said "Hmm, can you show me?" He looks at the weight and goes "oh... I have legs tomorrow I don't want to fatigue myself, but trust me it works" and walks away. Douche bag.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9377 Posts
September 07 2010 12:50 GMT
#2383
Well, I'll try to do this, next attempt is on friday, which is WOrkout A day.

I know about the grip, I noticed it the first time I saw rippetoe's videos.

Next time, I'll tell them I'm on a special program, if they say no, then I'll go serious, and tell them I'm there under my own responsibility, not their, and if I need any help I'll be sure to ask them for some.

:o. and yes, SS has been going great, even though I missed a day (friday, due to work ), On monday I added the weights I was supposed to add on Friday, and I did good, specially on the squat :D

CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
Kelorienne
Profile Joined July 2010
United States50 Posts
September 07 2010 13:02 GMT
#2384
Omg this thread increases the % of good looking nerds. This excites me. Anyways, I noticed there's lots of questions about health and nutrition in the previous pages. You want to be healthy? Simple, stay away from products with ingredients you can't pronouce :D. More precisely trans fat(mono and diglycerides,partially hydronated oils and probably more names). Trans fat is incredibly difficult for your body to get rid of even with exercise. You need to look at the ingredients because there's a law that states that a product can state they are trans fat free if they have less than 2 grams per serving. Yes multi millionaire companies indeed lie and they even have different names for trans fat to trick noobs.

Another issue is corn syrup, it's highly concentrated sugar that makes people fat and contributes to type 2 diabetes. Regardless i encourage you to check out this info and more on your own and pm me if you need help
Pls PM me if you want me to read something, I rarely check topics for replys
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-07 16:47:50
September 07 2010 16:41 GMT
#2385
On September 07 2010 20:16 Energies wrote:
I had someone come up to me once and give me advice when I was squatting, he said I should look up while I'm coming up, he said I would be able to lift a lot more. I had about 110kg on the bar so I looked at him and said "Hmm, can you show me?" He looks at the weight and goes "oh... I have legs tomorrow I don't want to fatigue myself, but trust me it works" and walks away. Douche bag.

actually from what i've read in the old SS forum over at bb.com, that's the technique (looking up) bill starr teaches his trainees. just thought it was worth mentioning.
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
September 07 2010 16:51 GMT
#2386
i was doing shoulder presses with a friend

some dude comes over to my friend and says "is it alright if i give you some advice?"
"yeah sure."
"yeah when you do shoulder presses you don't want to finish behind your head, that hyperextends your shoulder and gives you injuries."

i told my friend to just ignore him. lulz hyperextend.

we watched him shoulder press since he was also doing it. he used an extra wide grip (lulz #1) and instead of racking it on his chest and then returning it to the pins on the squat rack, he would return it at an extended position (lulz #2).

god people these days.

the next time the guy says "don't do deadlifts it'll hurt your back," just say, "don't talk to me. i'll hurt your back."

yeayuh
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9377 Posts
September 07 2010 16:55 GMT
#2387
rofl ^ best advice ever.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
September 07 2010 17:19 GMT
#2388
On September 08 2010 01:41 unknown.sam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2010 20:16 Energies wrote:
I had someone come up to me once and give me advice when I was squatting, he said I should look up while I'm coming up, he said I would be able to lift a lot more. I had about 110kg on the bar so I looked at him and said "Hmm, can you show me?" He looks at the weight and goes "oh... I have legs tomorrow I don't want to fatigue myself, but trust me it works" and walks away. Douche bag.

actually from what i've read in the old SS forum over at bb.com, that's the technique (looking up) bill starr teaches his trainees. just thought it was worth mentioning.



always look straight ahead. Looking up shifts your neck to a different position. (tbh i dont really remember the reasoning, but i was told to always look straight.)
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-07 17:51:45
September 07 2010 17:48 GMT
#2389
dude tell that to bill starr lol

edit: i guess it's a good thing i live in a conservative country. not too keen on people giving me wrong advice in the weight room.
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
NickC
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
233 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-07 18:08:18
September 07 2010 18:02 GMT
#2390
this is the chocolate bar that costs 44p for 100g (full size)

ingrediants
sugar, cocoa butter, whole milk powder, cocoa mass, sweet whey powder (from milk), lactose (milk), emulsifier (soya lecithin), flavouring. cocoa solids: 30% minimum. Milk solids: 18% minimum. energy 520kcal, protein 6.5g, carbs 58g, fat 29g.

im thinking is i can manage 2 of these a day thats already 1100kcal

should i assume when it says carbs and fat, a lot of this is unncomplex/saturated (or wwhatever is bad for you)?
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4529 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-07 22:50:44
September 07 2010 18:17 GMT
#2391
NickC isnt obvious its bad to eat choclate bars? Unless youre a hard gainer and youre using them for energy before your workout or something but still would never recommend it. theres only 6.5g protein in there....

your kcals should come mostly from meat, fish, milk, eggs, peanut butter, nuts, beans etc. healthy 'real' food with lots of protein, supplement this with fruits/veggies at every meal you eat 6 times a day, work your ass off doing SS and you will grow~
Team Liquid
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
September 07 2010 18:36 GMT
#2392
On September 08 2010 03:17 ret wrote:
NickC isnt obvious its bad to eat choclate bars? Unless youre a hard gainer and youre using them for energy before your workout or something but still would never recommend it. theres only 6.5g protein in there....

chocolate bars are pretty good...


... if it's > 80% cacao. i think my favorite one was a lindt 92% cacao. it was also cheap! (compared to scharffenberger and valhrona...) but i can't find it anymore.

i also had a meiji 100%. that thing is utter crap. do not try it. it is more like chalk-late. ooooh diss.

the one you posted has milk solids so it's probably 20% cacao.

i wouldn't make it a regular food but it's a good occasional snack.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
September 07 2010 19:00 GMT
#2393
On September 08 2010 03:02 NickC wrote:
this is the chocolate bar that costs 44p for 100g (full size)

ingrediants
sugar, cocoa butter, whole milk powder, cocoa mass, sweet whey powder (from milk), lactose (milk), emulsifier (soya lecithin), flavouring. cocoa solids: 30% minimum. Milk solids: 18% minimum. energy 520kcal, protein 6.5g, carbs 58g, fat 29g.

im thinking is i can manage 2 of these a day thats already 1100kcal

should i assume when it says carbs and fat, a lot of this is unncomplex/saturated (or wwhatever is bad for you)?


If you are looking at choco bars I'd just buy a gainer powder (mix of carbs, protein, fat). It'll be cheap and hit your macros.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-07 19:02:39
September 07 2010 19:01 GMT
#2394
On September 08 2010 03:17 ret wrote:
NickC isnt obvious its bad to eat choclate bars? Unless youre a hard gainer and youre using them for energy before your workout or something but still would never recommend it. theres only 6.5g protein in there....

your kcals should come mostly from meat, milk, eggs, peanut butter, nuts, beans etc. healthy 'real' food with lots of protein, supplement this with fruits/veggies at every meal you eat 6 times a day, work your ass off doing SS and you will grow~


It's better to be "pretty good" all the time than "perfect" half the time and awful the other half. While it's theoretically better to get your cals from whole food, if you're trying to bulk heavy getting the calories in and hitting the macro goals is the main concern. Cooking full meals 3-4x a day is too much for a lot of people (like me), and so shakes and stuff get a lot of cals in instead. It's not ideal but it gets the job done.
NickC
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
233 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-07 21:35:02
September 07 2010 20:17 GMT
#2395
ya, im very poor right now (lost my job, waiting for government support for 5+ weeks due to fuckup)

2x chocolate 88p
2x milk 2.20
= 1100+2400
= 3500kcal for £3.08
add some multivits, vits, cheap sausages, tuna, pate', this and that...im doing what I can given that im a shitty person in a shitty lifestyle right now

squat 40 (+5)
bench 45 (+2.5)
mpress 25 (+5)
chinup - again, sharp pain in left arm as soon as i tried one

Question:

I have a problem with my bench press. I lie in the centre of the bench with my back in natural arch. I use a wide grip and bring the bar to my nipples IIRC. I tense my body and glutes (ass?) and have legs to stablise properly. I do 3x5.

When I strain, eg last reps of a set, the centre-right side of my top back hurts. Its a really unpleasant pain/sensation and grows the more I strain during a set; I push through it to end the set then feel relieved when the pain almost immediately goes away.

I've tried making sure i'm in the centre of the bench, trying to shuffle myself around in slightly different positions, even tried un-arching my back a bit to get the pressure off it. It does feel like some part of my back is "unsupported" which causes the pain. Idk..

Does anyone relate to this problem?

Thanks


Was browsing through the old thread and came across eshlow's article here
http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/10/a-closer-look-at-vitamin-d/
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
September 07 2010 20:47 GMT
#2396
eating calories for the sake of it in garbage form is just unadvisable. if you eat a chocolate all day the only thing it's gonna do is make you fat. if you want a lot of extra calories drink milk as it's been suggested... much easier to get more calories in you with liquids. if you really want gainers carb shakes are the way to go
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-07 22:04:36
September 07 2010 21:58 GMT
#2397
When I strain, eg last reps of a set, the centre-right side of my top back hurts. Its a really unpleasant pain/sensation and grows the more I strain during a set; I push through it to end the set then feel relieved when the pain almost immediately goes away.

I've tried making sure i'm in the centre of the bench, trying to shuffle myself around in slightly different positions, even tried un-arching my back a bit to get the pressure off it. It does feel like some part of my back is "unsupported" which causes the pain. Idk..


I sometimes experience something similar depending on the benchpress height... some of them just don't seem to fit me and I can't plant my feet and make sure my back is comfortable and supported enough (although for me, the pain is more on my lower back). A possible solution is to benchpress with your legs off the ground, knees bent at a 90 degree angle

feet ---> _____
.................... |_________@ <--- head
............. -------------------------------- <---benchpress

this way your back should be completely flat against the bench. lifts may be harder this way since you have removed your legs and back from the equation now and it will be more chest.

try this and see if you still experience that pain
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 07 2010 22:31 GMT
#2398
eshlow are there any stretches i should be doing other than german hangs to help me build flexibility for hands-back manna? cuz i feel like flexibility might be a big problem for me there.
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4529 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-07 22:53:58
September 07 2010 22:52 GMT
#2399
On September 08 2010 04:01 cz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2010 03:17 ret wrote:
NickC isnt obvious its bad to eat choclate bars? Unless youre a hard gainer and youre using them for energy before your workout or something but still would never recommend it. theres only 6.5g protein in there....

your kcals should come mostly from meat, milk, eggs, peanut butter, nuts, beans etc. healthy 'real' food with lots of protein, supplement this with fruits/veggies at every meal you eat 6 times a day, work your ass off doing SS and you will grow~


It's better to be "pretty good" all the time than "perfect" half the time and awful the other half. While it's theoretically better to get your cals from whole food, if you're trying to bulk heavy getting the calories in and hitting the macro goals is the main concern. Cooking full meals 3-4x a day is too much for a lot of people (like me), and so shakes and stuff get a lot of cals in instead. It's not ideal but it gets the job done.


I said 'mostly', I pretty much agree with you. I take it you're not packing on the kcals by eating choclate candy bars though.
Team Liquid
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-07 22:56:17
September 07 2010 22:55 GMT
#2400
On September 08 2010 01:41 unknown.sam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2010 20:16 Energies wrote:
I had someone come up to me once and give me advice when I was squatting, he said I should look up while I'm coming up, he said I would be able to lift a lot more. I had about 110kg on the bar so I looked at him and said "Hmm, can you show me?" He looks at the weight and goes "oh... I have legs tomorrow I don't want to fatigue myself, but trust me it works" and walks away. Douche bag.

actually from what i've read in the old SS forum over at bb.com, that's the technique (looking up) bill starr teaches his trainees. just thought it was worth mentioning.


I learnt how to squat using Mark Rippetoe's writings and videos, and I have tried all variations with light weights, looking up, looking down, looking directly ahead, looking up was extremely unco and if you're already pushing off your heels it leans you back.

From Stronglifts
Where You Should NOT Look During Squats. After coaching several thousands of guys I’ve observed the same 3 head positioning mistakes time and time again when it comes down to the Squat.

NOT at Your Feet. Your body follows your head. If you bend your neck to look down, your upper & lower back will also want to bend. Rounding your lower back during Squats increases risks of spinal discs injuries.
Also NOT at The Ceiling. Hyper-extending your cervical spine increases risks of spinal discs injuries. It also shifts the weight to your heels which can make you lose balance, and it will make you lose hip power.
And Definitely NOT Aside. Never look aside during Squats or any other exercise to look in a side mirror or whatever. Looking aside is a guaranteed way to tweak your neck and you’ll feel it for a few days.

Where to Look During Squats. Your head should stay inline with the rest of your spine during the Squat if you want maximal hip power and neck safety. This means you have to fix a point on the floor in front of you.

Where? Depends on how tall you are. In my case it’s about 5′. If you’re taller than me (+5’8″) it will be slightly further. Just focus on keeping your head inline with the rest of your spine, especially if you’re facing a wall right in front of you.

As I said in the leading: you must also keep your head inline with your torso during Deadlifts and Barbell Rows on StrongLifts 5×5. Neglecting to do so can lead to neck injuries. Proper form over heavy weights.

"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
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