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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 15:11:22
October 21 2014 15:10 GMT
#121
Can you still find out what your unranked MMR is?
Also, isn't it better to play Techies for the high KDA than Zeus?

With Techies, I always go like 32/17 even when we lose (which is often because I can't end games as Techies, so the games just drag on)
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 15:12:34
October 21 2014 15:11 GMT
#122
its not KDA its hero damage dealt (for smurf detection on new accounts)

which is why zeus is so reliable although others could work (furion) i guess

Ur mines dmg buildings u know, no reason for the game not to end just go mine towers. (ur q not ur ult)
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
October 21 2014 15:12 GMT
#123
On October 22 2014 00:06 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2014 23:58 Plansix wrote:
On October 21 2014 23:51 -Celestial- wrote:
On the subject of items...where the hell is PA's arcana?

Likely being built. It is my understanding that that shit takes a lot of time, especially the creative part. Its not like they have a stock pile of more-awesome versions of the models just sitting around. They have to have concept artist put it together, maybe change animations once the model is built and so on.

Video games be hard to make.



Fair point but its still been three months as of today since TI4 ended. That's quite a long time.

If it took me three months to design and run a single experiment in work I'd get gutted by my supervisor. >_>

Yeah but they're also working on base hats and void remake, and all the other stuff for that BIG UPDATE early next year
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 21 2014 15:21 GMT
#124
On October 22 2014 00:12 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2014 00:06 -Celestial- wrote:
On October 21 2014 23:58 Plansix wrote:
On October 21 2014 23:51 -Celestial- wrote:
On the subject of items...where the hell is PA's arcana?

Likely being built. It is my understanding that that shit takes a lot of time, especially the creative part. Its not like they have a stock pile of more-awesome versions of the models just sitting around. They have to have concept artist put it together, maybe change animations once the model is built and so on.

Video games be hard to make.



Fair point but its still been three months as of today since TI4 ended. That's quite a long time.

If it took me three months to design and run a single experiment in work I'd get gutted by my supervisor. >_>

Yeah but they're also working on base hats and void remake, and all the other stuff for that BIG UPDATE early next year

Plus the new mega and super mega creeps. By previous updates, they are all going to drop that stuff at once. And they did just redesign the map too. You know, little things.

But I am pumped for the PA arcana.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 21 2014 15:36 GMT
#125
On October 22 2014 00:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
its not KDA its hero damage dealt (for smurf detection on new accounts)

which is why zeus is so reliable although others could work (furion) i guess

Ur mines dmg buildings u know, no reason for the game not to end just go mine towers. (ur q not ur ult)


What do you mean for smurf detection?

Let's say I do my calibration matches. Techies suicide is 1150, isnt that pretty good for hero dmg?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 15:39:57
October 21 2014 15:38 GMT
#126
1150 every 300s or what-the-fuck-ever and u have to get into melee range is a lot worse than 275*5 every 2 mins or w/e from wherever. and thats level 1 ult, ignoring chain lightning and bolt spam

zeus is the king of hero damage. its all he does.

I'm talking about the abuse-case where ur literally only trying to get max hero damage for MMR purposes and don't care about the actual dota game.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 21 2014 15:42 GMT
#127
On October 22 2014 00:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
1150 every 300s or what-the-fuck-ever and u have to get into melee range is a lot worse than 275*5 every 2 mins or w/e from wherever. and thats level 1 ult, ignoring chain lightning and bolt spam

zeus is the king of hero damage. its all he does.

I'm talking about the abuse-case where ur literally only trying to get max hero damage for MMR purposes and don't care about the actual dota game.


I think the abuse accounted for hero damage and KDA and the win/loss didn't matter.

I suppose Zeus is pretty in the end, but Techies feels also relatively good with using mines to farm LHs, multiply your kills without being in immediate danger and expand on hero dmg.
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-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
October 21 2014 15:47 GMT
#128
I really need to get my "Celestial" DOTA2 account up to matchmaking and just spam out Zeus games to see where it ends up.

Be really interesting to compare against my main. Especially as I don't actually play Zeus much.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 15:50:40
October 21 2014 15:49 GMT
#129
I never play Zeus, btu I always wanted to know what my unranked mmr was

I thought they fixed the Zeus thing anyways
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
October 21 2014 15:55 GMT
#130
They were ambiguous in the patch notes, but I think they basically tweaked the calibration algorithm to not take hero damage into account as much (or at all)
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
October 21 2014 15:58 GMT
#131
According to the most recent thing I read it takes a bunch of factors into account now. But not just W/L
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 21 2014 16:02 GMT
#132
On October 22 2014 00:58 -Celestial- wrote:
According to the most recent thing I read it takes a bunch of factors into account now. But not just W/L


What recent thing because everything I read says it doesn't look at w/l at all
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Veles
Profile Joined May 2011
United States3280 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 17:37:52
October 21 2014 17:37 GMT
#133
I think you missed the boat for finding your unranked mmr. iirc when ranked first came out there was a console command that showed your mmr that everyone was using during calibration

and didn't valve fix zues abuse?
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28104 Posts
October 21 2014 17:42 GMT
#134
The Zeus abuse is assumed to have been fixed in a small update like 2 weeks ago. They didn't say exactly what was fixed though. Need confirmation from Zeus pickers who are now calibrating to 3k instead of 5k
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 21 2014 17:44 GMT
#135
why is your country who cares
i care
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28104 Posts
October 21 2014 17:47 GMT
#136
You know where I'm from though.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 21 2014 17:48 GMT
#137
Emu's from Farmville
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 21 2014 17:57 GMT
#138
On October 22 2014 02:42 TheEmulator wrote:
The Zeus abuse is assumed to have been fixed in a small update like 2 weeks ago. They didn't say exactly what was fixed though. Need confirmation from Zeus pickers who are now calibrating to 3k instead of 5k


Would like to know as well.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 21 2014 17:57 GMT
#139
On October 22 2014 02:47 TheEmulator wrote:
You know where I'm from though.


https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 21 2014 18:06 GMT
#140
i remember when i was 10 i thought her boobies were the greatest id ever seen
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
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