Welcome to TeamLiquid’s new home for Dota news and community!
What We Are
Like our friends at LiquidHearth, we are a new site under the TeamLiquid banner focused purely on Dota. We will exclusively serve the happenings of the Dota world and the community that has existed on TeamLiquid.net through the last several years, while TL will remain the home for all things Brood War and StarCraft II. Whereas before TeamLiquid served as a hub for multiple games and interests this will narrow the focus and allow us to tailor the site to our specific needs.
Specialization of the site will allow us to create a true home for Dota and only Dota, from aesthetics like the banner (which sports a stylish Tidehunter courtesy of Lip Comarella) to functions like our calendar, which has been rebuilt from the ground up to best present Dota tournaments and matches. Finally Dota fans can post with Dota-related user icons as well, and we have added all of the heroes to be chosen.
What You Can Find
In addition to the regular General, Tournament, and Strategy forums you have come to know and love, we have expanded our forums to include a Player & Team Discussion place for topics relating to your favorite organizations and a Community General area if you want to chat about topics not relating to Dota. Outside of the General Discussion thread that is. For posts we have redesigned how the forum looks and given it a much more sleek feel for general usage.
We have also completely rehauled our calendar. Now in addition to showing the names and times events begin, we have listings for each individual match within the event plus easy links to Liquipedia, the Live Report thread, as well as icons for easy visual recognition. Like the TeamLiquid calendar, all of this can be added to our listing by anyone on the calendar but we have added another cool feature and the details such as matches being played will have the ability for anyone to edit. By clicking the title of an event you can get an idea of the kinds of information that can be added and how it all works - this will allow us to have each match showing live as it airs. We have also completely redone our event listing and it now has a weekly as well as monthly view that is much simpler to parse and find the matches you want to see.
Below on the right sidebar we also have easy links to Liquipedia pages for all upcoming, ongoing, and recently finished events straight from the wiki. This will allow you to find out who played in the matches of the day and quickly see results with a single click.
The site has also been completely overhauled to work on screens of all resolutions and will size down appropriately on tablets, phones, or whatever non-desktop browsing capability you may have.
Join Us, Why Don’t You
This will be the permanent home we build for Dota. This is only the beginning, and as time goes on we will keep exploring ways to make the site a place for all comers and one that has Dota coursing through its veins.
You can expect us to continue to bring only the best quality of news and forum moderation to ensure a community that is interesting to be a part of. We’re passionate about our site, our game, and our community so pull up a chair and take the ride with us.
Sit down, relax, and enjoy the new digs on LiquidDota.
Sweet Tidehunter banner thanks to Lip Comarella of Salon Alpin
Why? I mean TeamLiquid was a superb hub for people like me who wanted Dota, SC2 and even the most relevant Melee stuff in one place. On the same forum, so there could be some friendly banter here and there. Now with the split sites I just feel lost.
I'm not sure how I feel about this honestly. I used to follow Hearthstone quite a bit but ever since the new site liquidhearth appeared I just stopped following the game all together. Personally I liked having everything under 1 website, that way I could just go to 1 place and still keep in touch with multiple games. Now it feels like I have to choose; Dota or Starcraft.
That said everything does look very slick, well done on the design!
At least add different clocks for chinese/US/EU timezones on the top-right like we have it on TL.net. And show the absolute time of postings on the forum. Its the little things that I am really missing.
I really liked having the main TL site as a hub for both Dota and Starcraft. Will miss the Dota content being a real part of the TL experience, but I guess I'll just have to see how this turns out.
Mmmmmhmmmm... I actually like this a lot. Actually got me out the years of lurking. Haven't really been that passionate about StarCraft anymore in a long time and not following the scene as much and even with only the DotA content filter on the main site it was just suboptimal. The calendar and all will be very useful. Looking forward to see where this all goes.
On May 12 2014 06:57 duckii wrote: I like the look of the site but since I follow Starcraft as well it is a bit of a hassle... Also the community forums should be integrated.
On May 12 2014 06:41 FiWiFaKi wrote: Maybe keep the same community section for every website? Because Dota fans will like UFC or Formula 1 as much as Starcraft fans. Lets not fragment that. Seems like something possible?
I think that's a good compromise that is the best of all worlds.
Keep the blogs, keep the community, etc.
It's something we are considering but there's actually a lot of technical limitations
This is awful. Half the reason I visit TL is to have all my relevant streams on the sidebar and same calendar and I don't have to visit separate sites.
Much confused when I didn't find my posts ^^ Site looks nice, also it's sort of annyoing to have to switch between the two sites now as I still follow SC as well
Looks good guys, don't like I'll have to check multiple sites now, and I'll still reflexively put teamliquid.net in my adress bar but it's a nice change. Big thanks to all guys who put effort into this
On May 12 2014 06:29 Gotuso wrote: I'm not sure how I feel about this honestly. I used to follow Hearthstone quite a bit but ever since the new site liquidhearth appeared I just stopped following the game all together. Personally I liked having everything under 1 website, that way I could just go to 1 place and still keep in touch with multiple games. Now it feels like I have to choose; Dota or Starcraft.
That said everything does look very slick, well done on the design!
I feel just the same.. Especially following streams will be harder.
On May 12 2014 07:03 Stancel wrote: actually, looking at our hero icons - how are they 'decided'? Most amount of posts in their respective hero thread in the Dota 2 Strategy forum?
On May 12 2014 07:03 Stancel wrote: actually, looking at our hero icons - how are they 'decided'? Most amount of posts in their respective hero thread in the Dota 2 Strategy forum?
On May 12 2014 07:03 Stancel wrote: actually, looking at our hero icons - how are they 'decided'? Most amount of posts in their respective hero thread in the Dota 2 Strategy forum?
I think it might have been random. You can choose any hero in your profile to set as your icon.
On May 12 2014 07:03 Stancel wrote: actually, looking at our hero icons - how are they 'decided'? Most amount of posts in their respective hero thread in the Dota 2 Strategy forum?
No? You can just choose your hero icon in profile setings. The one you have now is just randomized.
On May 12 2014 07:03 Stancel wrote: actually, looking at our hero icons - how are they 'decided'? Most amount of posts in their respective hero thread in the Dota 2 Strategy forum?
No? You can just choose your hero icon in profile setings. The one you have now is just randomized.
Yeah, just noticed it in the settings... but randoming my most played hero? Hmm.
Perhaps I just have to get used to it, but I prefer the "Quote/report" button like it is on TL/LH. Makes everything a bit more compressed. The big spaces between the posts is imo (at least till now) a bit distracting.
On May 12 2014 07:03 Stancel wrote: actually, looking at our hero icons - how are they 'decided'? Most amount of posts in their respective hero thread in the Dota 2 Strategy forum?
No? You can just choose your hero icon in profile setings. The one you have now is just randomized.
Yeah, just noticed it in the settings... but randoming my most played hero? Hmm.
I mean I randomed like Wraith King and I hardly play him
On May 12 2014 07:03 Stancel wrote: actually, looking at our hero icons - how are they 'decided'? Most amount of posts in their respective hero thread in the Dota 2 Strategy forum?
No? You can just choose your hero icon in profile setings. The one you have now is just randomized.
Yeah, just noticed it in the settings... but randoming my most played hero? Hmm.
On May 12 2014 07:03 Stancel wrote: actually, looking at our hero icons - how are they 'decided'? Most amount of posts in their respective hero thread in the Dota 2 Strategy forum?
No? You can just choose your hero icon in profile setings. The one you have now is just randomized.
Yeah, just noticed it in the settings... but randoming my most played hero? Hmm.
On the one hand, I like having a site for Dota2 and all Dota2 related, but on the other hand I think I will miss being able to read all things related to the e-sports that I care about (Meaning I guess I'll be missing the tidbits of Sc2, even if I stopped following it religiously some time ago).
Anyway, here's to this change being a positive one! Looking forward to see this site flourish!
On May 12 2014 07:16 Deyster wrote: Looks OK on mobile. But colors need to be rethought if I am allowed to be honest. Also can't distinguish mods/admins.
Ooh I'm liking the new layout of the upcoming matches. But yea, we'll see how it works out for the community. The Dota population is more than the Hearthstone, so I think it'll work out better and integrate more smoothly.
On May 12 2014 07:15 Bashnek wrote: is there a way to set it to not use the mobile version?
also will tl+ members avoid ads here or can i look for hot single milfs in my area?
to quote salle
You can't, it's using responsive design (liquid layout) and there's thus no such thing as a "mobile" version. it's all the same page, depending on your window size it will show things slightly differently though.
So how to get out of mobile mode? Stop using a mobile.
You can't, it's using responsive design (liquid layout) and there's thus no such thing as a "mobile" version. it's all the same page, depending on your window size it will show things slightly differently though.
So how to get out of mobile mode? Stop using a mobile.
well that sucks, atleast i still get to browse vanillaTL comfortably until they change it over.
I am not a fan of this change. I liked going to one site and having the news and forums for both games in the same place. I hope I change my mind but I don't see this working out. However, the site and the forums look great.
I'm kinda on the same boat. While I like the new site, I still want to visit the other forums too, like the news or "other games" sections. I'm not sure what to think about all this right now.
On May 12 2014 08:16 CDRdude wrote: The Liquipedia-ize button defaults to the starcraft 2 liquipedia. For example, this is what I get when I try to liquipedia-ize Wraith King.
Cross-posting this to make sure more people read it:
So, as promised, here is a summary of what the interested staff members had to say about the idea of moving Dota2 to its own site:
The issue of too much content: Yes, filters exist. But as a rule of thumb, I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of TL's visitors do not know of or do not use filters, and first-time visitors were very likely to feel overwhelmed by the abundance of content - with Dota and two Starcrafts, there was so much of it that it became periodically hard to navigate. It is true that filters may be the most comfortable solution for established members, but if you come to a new site you typically don't want to go through the trouble of finding a filter function before you start browsing through the stuff you're interested in. With Liquiddota, TL goes back to being a source of Starcraft news, and thus more 'welcoming' for Starcraft fans visiting the site for the first time, whereas Liquiddota becomes a dedicated Dota site that runs no risk of confusing new visitors.
Competition: Most of TL's competitors are dedicated sites. This ties in with the previous point in that a site covering many different games will be, in general, less attractive to a dedicated fan than a site covering your game specifically. The quality of content can be the same, or even slightly worse, on a dedicated site, and the fan that cares only about that single game is still more likely to go there, both for the sense of community and because it feels more natural to go to LiquidHearth than it does to go to LiquidSeveralGamesYouDontLikeAndHearthstone. The idea is that a dedicated site will offer more competition and attract more visitors than TL's Dota section did.
Also, I think it's fair to say that the Dota community as a whole views Teamliquid as "the Starcraft site that also does Dota" rather than "a Dota site like any other", and not without reason. Below is a quote by monk on the subject when Nazgul first brought up the idea of a separate Dota site. + Show Spoiler +
On February 13 2014 20:44 monk wrote: The way I see TL Dota right now is the same way I view Gosugamers HS coverage. Besides LH, Gosugamers actually has the best HS articles on the web right now. However, even though you might read a HS article by them linked on reddit, it's very unlikely that you'll stay on their site. There's just way too many games covered there and everything is impossible to find, especially HS content. As a result, there's no HS community there and their forums are barren. The same problem seems to be happening for Dota 2 on TL. As far as I can tell or what I've heard is that we have some best articles on the web, but articles aren't what are going to draw users to stay on the site if everything is so difficult to find and there isn't a sense of shared community
Relating to that, I've noticed that Dota has way fewer, if any, cool ancillary features compared to what SC2 currently has on TL or what LH is planned to have. SC2 currently has TLPD, FPL, and Liquibet. LH is planned to have a Deck Builder, Arena Simulator, and Puzzle Maker. To the best of my knowledge, Dota has none of that. I don't know the particular reasons for that but if Dota had its own site, there'd at least be additional room to put these features.
Although the HS move to LH was a much more drastic change than the proposed Dota move, I already see a lot of cool things resulting from it. I see 1 post users posting all the time. There's also a ton of HS blogs where there weren't before (we average about 1 blog a day). We almost never had HS blogs on TL and looking over blogs now, I don't think I see a single Dota 2 blog.
Speaking from experience working on LH, I enjoy working on the site a lot more and there's just so many more opportunities to display content. For example, we have a featured video everyday. In addition, because we don't have to compete with another game, each article we put out can get a lot more time on the front page. All in all, I think a new TL Dota site is a great idea and it'll be great for both the Dota staff and the building of a Liquid Dota community.
On May 12 2014 07:20 FiWiFaKi wrote: Was hoping mod/staff would be able to answer....
How successful would you guys rate the splitting of Hearthstone from teamliquid?
It was successful. It definitely wouldn't have worked putting it on TL frontpage and having HS, StarCraft, Dota, etc on it. If you were to compare LH to the option of keeping it on TL, it's not really even close in terms of how it can grow.
On May 12 2014 07:37 FiWiFaKi wrote: I mean it's hard to say if teamliquid has been making good decisions recently, as their viewership has dropped to around 50% of what it was a year ago (going off of "active", as well as the activity I've been seeing). The real question is whether this will continue that streak or change it. This can be a really big nail in the coffin for teamliquid if it doesn't work out.
In terms of traffic, viewership across all StarCraft sites has declined since 2012. I don't think this has much to do with any decisions we're making, it's just a reality in the scene.
Dota was not growing on TL (at least not at the rate we consider acceptable) and the reason for this is because our Dota audience is just people that already use TL, not new users. This is because you have a site with a calendar not tailored to the game, with StarCraft icons, etc. It's not a very welcoming place for a Dota fan. This move at minimum will give our Dota staff and community a chance to grow. Status quo simply wasn't cutting it.
Front page oversaturation: The separation of Hearthstone and Teamliquid alleviated this somewhat, but with potentially three games on the front page for some fans, it was impossible for the content we churned out to receive the attention it deserves. On some days, the articles on the front page would all be replaced within 24 hours, thus decreasing the amount of views that the different writer groups create. TL as a site wants to create great coverage for several games, and on the whole that's something TL succeeds in doing, but when something like 6 or 7 articles all go up within the span of a day, the content suddenly becomes overwhelming. For a fan interested in more than one game, there's suddenly too much, and too little attention given to the people that put hours in to create that content.
On that note, though this is a minor issue, there is some overlap once The International starts, and that tournament drowns out everything else for the duration of it due to its incredible magnitude. Remember last year, when WCS' Regional finals all took place during TI3? Do you remember the amount of content put out pretty much every hour? I swear at least one of the editors had a heart attack as a result.
The issue of separation: A lot of people seem to feel like Liquiddota shatters the TL community, and I suppose in a way that is true. But the consensus was, and this is how I feel as well, that simply breaking TL down further with more and more sub-forums and sub-communities within a larger whole does not significantly aid the creation of a "community". The people that hang out in General tend to hang out in General, while those who frequented Dota did so and little else. Of course, there are a select few veteran members that browsed most of the site, but they are in the minority. The creation of Liquiddota is an attempt to create a Dota community with minor ties to TL (Starcraft), not simply a relocation of the site's Dota fans to another URL.
The purpose of the new site is to build a community for Dota fans much like other significant Dota sites available, and create a community just like a community was built around Brood War when TL first launched in 2002. People will come to Liquiddota as Dota fans and to Teamliquid as Starcraft fans, and those who really care about both games have the option to utilize the features including shared PMs and the like and visit both sites. It will be inconvenient for some users, yes, but long-term, Liquiddota allows for much more growth than cramming several games into the same site ever did.
The "family" factor: One issue that was brought up was the concern that the different communities will feel much more separate now than as a single site, thus losing some of the "Family"-feeling that was present during the site's earlier years. Especially for those veterans that frequented multiple sub-forums, I see how this may be a concern. But if you feel like this is an issue, keep in mind that TL is massive now compared to five-or-so years ago. That sense of a tight-knit community was already half-gone with just how large the site has become. It wasn't possible, even for those who spend four hours a day on TL like some of us do, to know everyone byname.
On February 16 2014 06:26 2Pacalypse- wrote: I think you may be overselling the "family" factor. This may have been true once in the old days of BW, but now TL has become too big to have that feeling across the site. For example, and don't take this the wrong way, but I have never seen your account until a couple of days ago and you're a staff user with 9k posts.
The point is that you're much likely to have that feeling of family with people who share your interests. This is why I'm against sharing the non-game specific forums across the sites. I think our main focus should be in attracting new users and building new sub-communities, and best way to achieve this is by letting community creates itself and not by us micromanaging it.
On the subject of having shared General/Community sub-forums: It's been brought up earlier in this thread, and it was brought up in the staff forums as well. I think the response was generally positive, though there are technical quirks to work out before it can happen. I think it is going to happen eventually though, provided the technical issues can be solved.
On May 12 2014 08:36 hifriend wrote: I like the idea of a dota site but I don't like the design so much. Too bright and "sharp", doesn't feel like home.
I like the layout but i do agree it's too 'bright'
On May 12 2014 08:24 BurningSera wrote: I deserve a divine for my PA with my post count please.
dont shitpost or youll lose it!
If you get banned/warned with a Rapier the Rapier should be transferred to the person who reported you. Aegis obviously protects you for a period of X weeks.
The major problem is the community threads, they should be shared across all sides.
And TBH, in the left side bar, there should still be links to the other games threads, and when you click it you would leave this site and go to TL or LH.
I thought I'd love LiquidHearth being its own thing, but as it stands it kind of sucks; when you're on a site about a specific game you forget about the others, and that sucks! I like to be complaining about Hunters then decide to go watch Arteezy; on separate sites that's out of mind. I understand there is a benefit to each site having its own identity (and TL.net does have a lot of boards), but there should be some compromise...
Maybe if you could enable LiquidHearth and LiquidDota boards on TL.net, but they were off by default? That way, people who know which parts they want can still have a personalised experience without cluttering those who are just there for SC2. Y'know, kinda like Reddit how you end up with something matching just what you care about.
On May 12 2014 08:58 broodbucket wrote: I thought I'd love LiquidHearth being its own thing, but as it stands it kind of sucks; when you're on a site about a specific game you forget about the others, and that sucks! I like to be complaining about Hunters then decide to go watch Arteezy; on separate sites that's out of mind. I understand there is a benefit to each site having its own identity (and TL.net does have a lot of boards), but there should be some compromise...
Maybe if you could enable LiquidHearth and LiquidDota boards on TL.net, but they were off by default? That way, people who know which parts they want can still have a personalised experience without cluttering those who are just there for SC2. Y'know, kinda like Reddit how you end up with something matching just what you care about.
I agree with you.
Them i Looked at your Signature, if you want what you sugest then your signature SHOULD be shared across all sites.
On May 12 2014 08:58 broodbucket wrote: I thought I'd love LiquidHearth being its own thing, but as it stands it kind of sucks; when you're on a site about a specific game you forget about the others, and that sucks! I like to be complaining about Hunters then decide to go watch Arteezy; on separate sites that's out of mind. I understand there is a benefit to each site having its own identity (and TL.net does have a lot of boards), but there should be some compromise...
Maybe if you could enable LiquidHearth and LiquidDota boards on TL.net, but they were off by default? That way, people who know which parts they want can still have a personalised experience without cluttering those who are just there for SC2. Y'know, kinda like Reddit how you end up with something matching just what you care about.
I agree with you.
Them i Looked at your Signature, if you want what you sugest then your signature SHOULD be shared across all sites.
If they do what I suggest, then sure. But it's not like that. So the signature shouldn't be shared.
Maybe if you could enable LiquidHearth and LiquidDota boards on TL.net, but they were off by default? That way, people who know which parts they want can still have a personalised experience without cluttering those who are just there for SC2. Y'know, kinda like Reddit how you end up with something matching just what you care about.
The only thing I don't like is that quote is at the bottom of the post and that some of the font colors don't contrast very well with the background (hyperlinks specifically). Other than that A++
Wish I understood why the splitting up of the games was necessary. The new site looks great, but unfortunately I don't think I'll be viewing it often. Will be getting my dota content elsewhere...at least SC content is still untouched.
I liked being able to go to Teamliquid and see a massive amount of different topics/games on one sidebar, from league to dota 2 to hearthstone to anything.
When the Hearthstone site splits off, I completely stopped reading anything about it, as going to a new site just to read hearthstone stuff wasn't worth the effort, where as before I could see something interesting every so often and read it.
This just feels like it's segregating the community, which could lead to many different large communities, or just reduce the activity in each one, we shall see.
Looks really good. Change is annoying at start like always but once I get used to it I think it will be fine. Just like every facebook/twitter/youtube update etc
I like the new site and re-built look and such... But I would really love being able to link back to the original site for access to the Community forums and such. TLADT TT.
I hope this won't be a case of spin-off and die though, because I would assume that a lot of new people still come through the teamliquid website.
All that being said, that new calendar is fucking sick. =D
I do liked the fact that the old site was a hub for all things liquid related, but having a separate site for a community as big as dota's definitely makes a lot of sense. I don't understand all the hoopla about not being able to access the regular TL site from here though, I'm sure most users got a lotta tabs open at a time.
On May 12 2014 11:10 Willenium wrote: Exciting stuff. I hope the mods are just as strenuous with their banhammers as they are on Team Liquid :D
I almost banned you just to show how strenuous we are going to be
Kidding aside, we will have different rules in general, but will be as strict if not more strict.
what happened to mod icons and banhammers?
I don't want no crouching hammer hidden banners here.
Bro you know who they all are anyways
On a serious note we are going to differentiate staff soon. Working on icons and stuff. Although I am not sure why reds/admin arent already differentiated.
On May 12 2014 11:10 Willenium wrote: Exciting stuff. I hope the mods are just as strenuous with their banhammers as they are on Team Liquid :D
I almost banned you just to show how strenuous we are going to be
Kidding aside, we will have different rules in general, but will be as strict if not more strict.
what happened to mod icons and banhammers?
I don't want no crouching hammer hidden banners here.
Bro you know who they all are anyways
On a serious note we are going to differentiate staff soon. Working on icons and stuff. Although I am not sure why reds/admin arent already differentiated.
AWESOME! :D Like the new design as well, good job as always TL! Best site in the world keeps improving and expanding to new awesome things, love it. As soon as I heard about TL back in the days I knew it was a place I would like to be, now that you are focusing even more on dota as well as Smash I know I will like my stay for many years to come as well!
Sweet, good enough excuse to make a new account so I can "Change my name" on TL :O
-edit- think I'm probably gonna end up turning hero icons off, if possible. As soon as any people with the same icon start talking near each other I promise I'll get confused and mix them up. Kinda wired from dota games to go "The Storm Spirit" or "The Pudge" and not by name.
So how much did you guys get paid by Riot to leave LoL alongside dying game SC2 by removing Dota/Hearthstone? Lets be honest, when people think of Team Liquid they think of www.teamliquid.net, and whats on the front page? LoL streamers on the right, LoL tournament news on the left, and a bunch of news about SC2 players retiring.
On May 12 2014 14:18 iNteLStyLe wrote: So how much did you guys get paid by Riot to leave LoL alongside dying game SC2 by removing Dota/Hearthstone? Lets be honest, when people think of Team Liquid they think of www.teamliquid.net, and whats on the front page? LoL streamers on the right, LoL tournament news on the left, and a bunch of news about SC2 players retiring.
Yeah I see where this is going, Well Played! TL
Really really dissapointed
Here come all the Chicken Little Conspiracy Theorists, as is the case whenever Teamliquid does something for the very sizeable Dota 2 community on its site
On May 12 2014 14:18 iNteLStyLe wrote: So how much did you guys get paid by Riot to leave LoL alongside dying game SC2 by removing Dota/Hearthstone? Lets be honest, when people think of Team Liquid they think of www.teamliquid.net, and whats on the front page? LoL streamers on the right, LoL tournament news on the left, and a bunch of news about SC2 players retiring.
Yeah I see where this is going, Well Played! TL
Really really dissapointed
Here come all the Chicken Little Conspiracy Theorists, as is the case whenever Teamliquid does something for the very sizeable Dota 2 community on its site
Wish I cared enough to take a screen capture of my screen when I go to teamliquid.net. Its literally flooded with everything LoL. Why exactly are LCS players featured streamers in the first place?
On May 12 2014 14:18 iNteLStyLe wrote: So how much did you guys get paid by Riot to leave LoL alongside dying game SC2 by removing Dota/Hearthstone? Lets be honest, when people think of Team Liquid they think of www.teamliquid.net, and whats on the front page? LoL streamers on the right, LoL tournament news on the left, and a bunch of news about SC2 players retiring.
Yeah I see where this is going, Well Played! TL
Really really dissapointed
Here come all the Chicken Little Conspiracy Theorists, as is the case whenever Teamliquid does something for the very sizeable Dota 2 community on its site
Wish I cared enough to take a screen capture of my screen when I go to teamliquid.net. Its literally flooded with everything LoL. Why exactly are LCS players featured streamers in the first place?
because there was a demand for LoL streamers to be featured on TL.
As a long time TL lurker and a lifetime DotA fan I am very happy with this move. I think LD has a real chance of growing, the only real alternative out there is rather neglected and, well, pretty bad. D:
Was pretty skeptical at first, but then started using the features, and was pleasantly surprised to find out how awesome things have improved! Much thanks TL!
Hey! I have a question. Do you know if streams from Azubu.tv will be featured here on the LD streamer list? I'm asking this because Fnatic.n0tail streams on that platform, and I would appreciate if I could know when he's live or not (hope I'm not alone with this!).
On May 12 2014 18:11 AlexYs wrote: Hey! I have a question. Do you know if streams from Azubu.tv will be featured here on the LD streamer list? I'm asking this because Fnatic.n0tail streams on that platform, and I would appreciate if I could know when he's live or not (hope I'm not alone with this!).
As far as I'm aware, LD currently just grabs Twitch's stream list. I would imagine that Azubu will eventually be implemented.
On May 12 2014 18:11 AlexYs wrote: Hey! I have a question. Do you know if streams from Azubu.tv will be featured here on the LD streamer list? I'm asking this because Fnatic.n0tail streams on that platform, and I would appreciate if I could know when he's live or not (hope I'm not alone with this!).
As far as I'm aware, LD currently just grabs Twitch's stream list. I would imagine that Azubu will eventually be implemented.
I've been looking forward to this since forever - can't stand Joindota other than the front page, maybe now I can get back to foruming about dota a bit
Can there be options for website skins? Standard tl.net scheme doesn't hurt my eyes at all, but this one does. Not that it's ugly, but all of the pastels on my fairly bright monitor genuinely hurts my eyes. Other than that, looks good!
But there's a serious problem guys, tell R1ch to fix. I have tl and generally all my frequently visited sites on zoom, you know ctrl+mouse wheel, it makes it much easier to read forums. It doesn't work in lqdota.com at all though, when I zoom in, the sidebars just disappear, when normally the page would get adjusted horizontally and I could scroll sideways to see them. Pls fix, I won't use this at all if I have to read these default tiny letters.
On May 12 2014 19:52 Steveling wrote: Haha, I'm Paj finally!
But there's a serious problem guys, tell R1ch to fix. I have tl and generally all my frequently visited sites on zoom, you know ctrl+mouse wheel, it makes it much easier to read forums. It doesn't work in lqdota.com at all though, when I zoom in, the sidebars just disappear, when normally the page would get adjusted horizontally and I could scroll sideways to see them. Pls fix, I won't use this at all if I have to read these default tiny letters.
If you zoom in too much the website responds by minimizing the sidebars, similar to how its done on mobile now.
On May 12 2014 19:52 Steveling wrote: Haha, I'm Paj finally!
But there's a serious problem guys, tell R1ch to fix. I have tl and generally all my frequently visited sites on zoom, you know ctrl+mouse wheel, it makes it much easier to read forums. It doesn't work in lqdota.com at all though, when I zoom in, the sidebars just disappear, when normally the page would get adjusted horizontally and I could scroll sideways to see them. Pls fix, I won't use this at all if I have to read these default tiny letters.
If you zoom in too much the website responds by minimizing the sidebars, similar to how its done on mobile now.
Soo, can't we make it like tl.net? This is annoying.
On May 12 2014 11:10 Willenium wrote: Exciting stuff. I hope the mods are just as strenuous with their banhammers as they are on Team Liquid :D
I almost banned you just to show how strenuous we are going to be
Kidding aside, we will have different rules in general, but will be as strict if not more strict.
what happened to mod icons and banhammers?
I don't want no crouching hammer hidden banners here.
Bro you know who they all are anyways
On a serious note we are going to differentiate staff soon. Working on icons and stuff. Although I am not sure why reds/admin arent already differentiated.
Mods/Banlings should have a Skull Basher or Mjollnir icon
Some really nifty features! Gonna be optimistic even though i think i might stop watching SC all together. Just more time for Dota i guess. Also give me Dota liquibets please!
On May 12 2014 20:21 Sassback wrote: Some really nifty features! Gonna be optimistic even though i think i might stop watching SC all together. Just more time for Dota i guess. Also give me Dota liquibets please!
I hadn't even thought of the possibility of dota liquibets awww yeah
i might have overlooked this in he 15 pages because i only read about 5-8 of them but i see three issues with the site.
in the live events sidebar widget, i have no option to refresh that sidebar. so currently when i want to watch any of the current live events, i have to refresh the whole page to see which stream is actually broadcasting, which triggers twitch ads every single time
The second thing is, the overlay that you get when you click on any of the ( upcoming ) events, disapears below your current stream if you are watching one.
Third one is minor and not even a big flaw or anything, but the post counter in the left sidebar are off by a few posts
On May 12 2014 20:34 TechSc2 wrote: The second thing is, the overlay that you get when you click on any of the ( upcoming ) events, disapears below your current stream if you are watching one.
Works fine for me? Unless I'm misunderstanding you...
On May 12 2014 20:34 TechSc2 wrote: The second thing is, the overlay that you get when you click on any of the ( upcoming ) events, disapears below your current stream if you are watching one.
Works fine for me? Unless I'm misunderstanding you...
Ok i already solved the problem.
I was using a flash 12.xxx plugin version, and i switched to the internal Chrome one which was version 13.xxx and it works now.
On May 12 2014 20:34 TechSc2 wrote: The second thing is, the overlay that you get when you click on any of the ( upcoming ) events, disapears below your current stream if you are watching one.
Works fine for me? Unless I'm misunderstanding you...
Ok i already solved the problem.
I was using a flash 12.xxx plugin version, and i switched to the internal Chrome one which was version 13.xxx and it works now.
so updating to flash 13+ fixes that issue
this is a screenshot with the flash 12.xxx
This is a known issue with some combinations of Flash / browser. I've asked Twitch to give us more control over the video embed so we can fix this on our end, but I don't think it's very high priority on their list. Thankfully it works OK in Chrome and Firefox with default settings.
Is it possible to allow us to choose what we see at teamliquid.net instead of completely separate websites?
Like I choose Dota 2 as my main game, I don't see SC2 or LoL or Smash Brothers forums, but I do see a universal general, other games, etc but it otherwise has this dota 2 design, and delivers me only dota 2 and non-game specific teamliquid news
I dont know if this is the right place, but I'm kinda missing the option to go to the liquipedia page of an event by clicking on the little puzzle thingy right next to the stream on the right side of the page. to me, that has been useful so many times
On May 13 2014 00:12 mikkels wrote: I dont know if this is the right place, but I'm kinda missing the option to go to the liquipedia page of an event by clicking on the little puzzle thingy right next to the stream on the right side of the page. to me, that has been useful so many times
How did you miss the big "Liquipedia" button on each event? :o
On May 13 2014 00:12 mikkels wrote: I dont know if this is the right place, but I'm kinda missing the option to go to the liquipedia page of an event by clicking on the little puzzle thingy right next to the stream on the right side of the page. to me, that has been useful so many times
How did you miss the big "Liquipedia" button on each event? :o
oh well that was a problem on my end, nevermind me.
I really really really REALLY like it! I actually think it is a nice big step up from the tl.net in terms of graphics and feel. But I am also stubborn and resistant to change, so it is still growing on me. Also wtf is the tab icon?
Edit: Just to be clear: congrats R1CH and Heyoka and all the other hardworking staff for making this happen ^_^
In dolphin browser for android mobiles the desktop function works for teamliquid.net, but not for liquiddota.com. please look into that since 90% of my reading is done on my phone. Love the desktop option! Best, Kim
On May 13 2014 03:47 lookfirewood wrote: In dolphin browser for android mobiles the desktop function works for teamliquid.net, but not for liquiddota.com. please look into that since 90% of my reading is done on my phone. Love the desktop option! Best, Kim
There is no 'desktop' mode any more, all devices receive the same page and it's tailored appropriately to your device's resolution.
On May 13 2014 03:47 lookfirewood wrote: In dolphin browser for android mobiles the desktop function works for teamliquid.net, but not for liquiddota.com. please look into that since 90% of my reading is done on my phone. Love the desktop option! Best, Kim
There is no 'desktop' mode any more, all devices receive the same page and it's tailored appropriately to your device's resolution.
Okay. Well, is that something you could consider? I really enjoy the same looks no matter what device I am using. Stuff's easier to find.
Awesome. Congratz to the new site. I really can understand your choice to create this and want to wish you become the dota site TL became for Starcraft.
The site looks great, but I feel like I am going to miss a lot of Dota now because I go to TL.net first the same teams cast so many shows I'm not always inclined to respond to them being listed on twitch. How can I just get an option to overlay all of the Liquid calendars together?
At the moment I keep having to go to the other site to follow the games of thrones thread, to read about the situation in Ukraine, other new games etc. Those sections should be mirrored here too, it should be more a mirror of TL without the SC sections. Same database, other filters, other stylesheets. Overlapping content besides the SC and Dota sections. Your post in the games of thrones thread in liquiddota should show up on tl.net as wel.
On May 13 2014 17:25 Zandar wrote: This could be great but now it isn't
TL is much more than SC and Dota.
At the moment I keep having to go to the other site to follow the games of thrones thread, to read about the situation in Ukraine, other new games etc. Those sections should be mirrored here too, it should be more a mirror of TL without the SC sections. Same database, other filters, other stylesheets. Overlapping content besides the SC and Dota sections. Your post in the games of thrones thread in liquiddota should show up on tl.net as wel.
On May 13 2014 17:25 Zandar wrote: This could be great but now it isn't
TL is much more than SC and Dota.
At the moment I keep having to go to the other site to follow the games of thrones thread, to read about the situation in Ukraine, other new games etc. Those sections should be mirrored here too, it should be more a mirror of TL without the SC sections. Same database, other filters, other stylesheets. Overlapping content besides the SC and Dota sections. Your post in the games of thrones thread in liquiddota should show up on tl.net as wel.
I agree with the off topic sections like movies and television, those should be mirrored. They should also release some mobile app or whatever... Browsing in my phone isn't the best
On May 13 2014 17:25 Zandar wrote: This could be great but now it isn't
TL is much more than SC and Dota.
At the moment I keep having to go to the other site to follow the games of thrones thread, to read about the situation in Ukraine, other new games etc. Those sections should be mirrored here too, it should be more a mirror of TL without the SC sections. Same database, other filters, other stylesheets. Overlapping content besides the SC and Dota sections. Your post in the games of thrones thread in liquiddota should show up on tl.net as wel.
I agree with the off topic sections like movies and television, those should be mirrored. They should also release some mobile app or whatever... Browsing in my phone isn't the best
I was thinking just this! I also think liquiddota should show the general section of teamliquid's main site. That way I don't have to hop back to TL for those!
Excellent. I really like the change. SC2 is dead game now and TL are defiantly going in the right direction. Just hope admins aren't that Nazi on this site, so the community could grow.
I'm used to it, but the Dota icons for "Community News" on the front page is pretty redundant given that Liquiddota is its own site now. Changing it to color coded boxes depending on the type of news might be better (blue box for interviews, TI icon for TI stuff, etc., for example). Same thing for LiquidHearth too. Would be nice if TL showed big news/announcements on the front page with the appropriate game icons so people who follow multiple games can don't have to go around for that information.
So I've asked in about 3 threads, once on this site, a few times on TL and PM'd a mod/staff who said they would expand on the reasoning as to why there is no anti-spoiler on this site. Can someone please explain that?
On May 14 2014 10:23 Kishin2 wrote: I'm used to it, but the Dota icons for "Community News" on the front page is pretty redundant given that Liquiddota is its own site now. Changing it to color coded boxes depending on the type of news might be better (blue box for interviews, TI icon for TI stuff, etc., for example). Same thing for LiquidHearth too. Would be nice if TL showed big news/announcements on the front page with the appropriate game icons so people who follow multiple games can don't have to go around for that information.
This might be a decent way to go about it, we tried putting tournament icons there to be specific but it was really gross looking.
On May 14 2014 12:26 Scrandom wrote: So I've asked in about 3 threads, once on this site, a few times on TL and PM'd a mod/staff who said they would expand on the reasoning as to why there is no anti-spoiler on this site. Can someone please explain that?
Sorry about not responding sooner. Basically, LiquidDota is not going to have a spoiler system.
Historically, TL had a spoiler system in place because of how we followed / covered Brood War progaming. In the early days, pro-BW streams and VODs were difficult to get a hold of, and games were often played at times that were not great for regular EU/NA audience.
However, Dota 2 is a different beast. We have so much content being broadcast on a daily basis that we felt a spoiler system simply wasn't feasible for us as a news site. While we understand that a few people may like the spoiler system, we feel that the majority of our readers prefer live updates from a Dota 2 progaming news site like ours, and thus felt that this trade-off was warranted.
So I guess in future, if you don't want to be spoiled, you should watch the games first before visiting LD! :D
On May 14 2014 12:26 Scrandom wrote: So I've asked in about 3 threads, once on this site, a few times on TL and PM'd a mod/staff who said they would expand on the reasoning as to why there is no anti-spoiler on this site. Can someone please explain that?
Sorry about not responding sooner. Basically, LiquidDota is not going to have a spoiler system.
Historically, TL had a spoiler system in place because of how we followed / covered Brood War progaming. In the early days, pro-BW streams and VODs were difficult to get a hold of, and games were often played at times that were not great for regular EU/NA audience.
However, Dota 2 is a different beast. We have so much content being broadcast on a daily basis that we felt a spoiler system simply wasn't feasible for us as a news site. While we understand that a few people may like the spoiler system, we feel that the majority of our readers prefer live updates from a Dota 2 progaming news site like ours, and thus felt that this trade-off was warranted.
So I guess in future, if you don't want to be spoiled, you should watch the games first before visiting LD! :D
Alright thanks for the response. Not going to lie to you, personally I absolutely hate that just because of the hours I work but oh well thats my problem.
I'm very excited about this! Even if I only ever lurked on teamliquid.net, I did appreciate it when I recognized people in the forums. I did, to an extent, leave the hub due to this becoming an increasingly rare event. Not that I was ever a noticeable presence.
I hope I can learn a little about the people behind the posts on these forums. For me, it adds a lot to the experience.
I dont really like this decision, I've been on TL since 2008 and came to it exclusively for BW, unfortunately when SC2 came out I played it for 5-6 months then quit, by then getting back into playing BW would take too much work and I was kinda left in a limbo for a while not doing anything but being angry at Blizzard for sabotaging the BW scene. If Valve hadn't have released dota 2 I would have given up on esports altogether...
I was ecstatic when TL picked up Dota 2 because here we finally had a worthy successor to BW and with the filter option I never had to look at SC2 ever again. Most of the people that followed BW (not making money off of SC2) switched to dota or lol, moving Dota 2 to a new site just sends a lot of veterans off of TL.net
The only good that can come from this is that finally Blizzard games can stop being rammed down our throats or that we can at least get away from all the plugging.
edit: Anyway I like how the site is looking and I know that the new features being added in will be up to the high quality TL standard. I was actually surprised the banner doesn't have the kotl horses, it just seems so right
I was initially against splitting up TL but I think I've come around.
Not having dota content buried under all the other stuff, having all the dota events on the RHS, much cleaner website, hero/team icons, etc... I find myself coming to this website more often and enjoying it more.
On May 14 2014 12:26 Scrandom wrote: So I've asked in about 3 threads, once on this site, a few times on TL and PM'd a mod/staff who said they would expand on the reasoning as to why there is no anti-spoiler on this site. Can someone please explain that?
Sorry about not responding sooner. Basically, LiquidDota is not going to have a spoiler system.
Historically, TL had a spoiler system in place because of how we followed / covered Brood War progaming. In the early days, pro-BW streams and VODs were difficult to get a hold of, and games were often played at times that were not great for regular EU/NA audience.
However, Dota 2 is a different beast. We have so much content being broadcast on a daily basis that we felt a spoiler system simply wasn't feasible for us as a news site. While we understand that a few people may like the spoiler system, we feel that the majority of our readers prefer live updates from a Dota 2 progaming news site like ours, and thus felt that this trade-off was warranted.
So I guess in future, if you don't want to be spoiled, you should watch the games first before visiting LD! :D
When I first read about there being no spoilers, I thought it meant no spoiler tags lol
On May 14 2014 12:26 Scrandom wrote: So I've asked in about 3 threads, once on this site, a few times on TL and PM'd a mod/staff who said they would expand on the reasoning as to why there is no anti-spoiler on this site. Can someone please explain that?
Sorry about not responding sooner. Basically, LiquidDota is not going to have a spoiler system.
Historically, TL had a spoiler system in place because of how we followed / covered Brood War progaming. In the early days, pro-BW streams and VODs were difficult to get a hold of, and games were often played at times that were not great for regular EU/NA audience.
However, Dota 2 is a different beast. We have so much content being broadcast on a daily basis that we felt a spoiler system simply wasn't feasible for us as a news site. While we understand that a few people may like the spoiler system, we feel that the majority of our readers prefer live updates from a Dota 2 progaming news site like ours, and thus felt that this trade-off was warranted.
So I guess in future, if you don't want to be spoiled, you should watch the games first before visiting LD! :D
You're right dota is a different beast however it needs the anti-spoiler for a different reason with so much content theres no way any one person can watch every single game, u gotta pick and chose especially when its timezone related, im basically never awake to watch the eu and na tournamets (unless they run super late) vods sometimes arent even up the TL vs NAR was posted 4 hours after the match seriously? i come to check the calender and theres just a huge spoiler on the front page? what happens when TI actually comes around are u going to be spoilering every match as well, or even the grand finals after 4 hours simply because "there wasnt content to bw?" i dont see how that makes any sense.
Not to mention anyone who desperately wants the results can either go to the liquipedia results part RIGHT on every TL page? the people who have watched the game dont need a recap of what they just saw first hand, who are u writing that article for? The people who havnt watched the game but dont care about the game enough to actually watch it? I wouldnt even mind if the article was more in depth went into picks/bans overall game plan why they did this why was this a bad move, instead its basically a overall play by play.
Also having the spoiler function is just providing the OPTION to people, people who dont care about it dont have to use it. Where is the downside from having it? If its bothersome to code or something, cant it be on the to do list.
I always loved the hide spoiler option, but of course I bring the bw watching mentality.
I don't really follow dota 2 at all so being spoilered on the NA qualifier (what I just came here for) isn't actually a big deal. But I don't inherently see why a "hide spoiler" function couldn't just delay anything posted as featured news for like 24 or 48 hours for those who have the option selected.
Though I don't know how the hide spoiler option for the general site worked; I feel like that is how it maybe works but I only looked for 5 seconds and found a 2012 thread where Plexa posted that the hide spoiler should be changed to a fixed time delay, which seems to imply it worked somehow else (article submitter checking "spoiler friendly" or something?)
I didn't find a thread on when the hide spoiler option was introduced (just threads like "no spoiler functionality" or similar titles with nothing on how it functioned).
ninja edit: huh imbedded links don't seem very visible ('2012 thread' and 'Plexa posted')
anyways, look forward to all of liquid dota's success!
I like the site, but the stream list is just useless. Looks like it's just pulling all streams from twitch with the gametag "Dota 2" and more than 10 viewers. Hope it gets changed.
On May 19 2014 06:13 ngtmre wrote: I like the site, but the stream list is just useless. Looks like it's just pulling all streams from twitch with the gametag "Dota 2" and more than 10 viewers. Hope it gets changed.
Could you explain why you feel it is useless? Important streams are attached to events, and prominent player/organisations are featured. If you feel that certain other players or organisations should be featured as well, feel free to suggest them and we'll consider them.
I really liked to browse and watch streams of TL community members. If they don't get 10 viewers they just don't show up. For events there is obviously no problem it's really well organized in that part.
edit:
I mean the non-featured streams on TL.net really feel like a community thing, whereas here it's just a collection of Dota streams. I feel it lacks the community aspect. If I look on TL.net in the non featured Starcraft section there are only streams from TL community members. Maybe it's supposed to be different here but I don't like it. If I want all the Dota2 streams I can head over to twitch.tv.
Reading the first news item about TI, my first question was "is the fog really worth it?". I mean, adding that flash thingie to every news post? Really? I thought we were better than this.
lack of big tournaments and prizepools will eventually stagnate e-sports in the region. look at chuan, iceiceice and mushi. all moving on to greener pastures overseas. The career of a pro-gamer is short. You gotta make the best of it. That said, teams disbanding is a good sign because only the best of the best can survive.
How is Titan not nominated in suprising performance ? They outperformed a lot of teams that were expected to do way better than them (Alliance, Mouz etc)
I am a new member so i dont get how the system works. I was seeking for a good forum and decided to have an account in here. http://www.teamliquid.net/ this is the main site? And i cant find anything related to Dota 2, its a little bit stressful for me to understand? What happened? You guys have a new forum for dota or what?
On September 13 2014 09:02 pls no ty wrote: I am a new member so i dont get how the system works. I was seeking for a good forum and decided to have an account in here. http://www.teamliquid.net/ this is the main site? And i cant find anything related to Dota 2, its a little bit stressful for me to understand? What happened? You guys have a new forum for dota or what?
Teamliquid.net is the main site for Starcraft II related content, and thus has no dedicated Dota content on it. LiquidDota.com is a sister site dedicated to Dota. So yes, we do have a new forum for Dota stuff, and you're on it!
Hello, i need direction on how to form a dota2 team in my country. If you can direct me to some sample players contracts and sponsors contract please it you be a big help. Also need some guidelines on how winnigs are divided among players and managers. Thanks please send to himaneric@yahoo.com.
Largely because when we added those forums the Smash one was barely used and pretty dead, depending on how active it becomes in the next few weeks with Souma looking to make it more used we can think of adding it to that list.
slicKz was one of the hands down best carries in HoN dude is a legit moba player should do well on this team, you can check him out on Stay Green from HoN, played with swindlemelonz and ZFreek
Ok... I registered for this stuff for this. If anyone knows 2gd, personally, he needs a lawyer. He needs to be quiet, stop listening to Valve and lawyer up.
I'm not a huge fan, but a billionaire CEO slandering him, and blackballing him is a very serious and easy case for a good lawyer. That is it. I love Dota, I'm freakin old, and I registered for this stuff. I also am working on a PhD in Math not Law, so I have no suggestions. But, I'm old enough to know. Sue , sue, sue. Don't get angry, get litigious.
Please, someone tell him consult a freakin lawyer.
I think Dota 2 tower very very weak so hopeless!!! I think tower must attack up to 100 damage/tower. AND GIVE CRITICAL STRIKE 200% DAMAGE TO HERO!!!! YEAH TOWER DOTA 2 SO WEAK
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