EPT#E: If I keep this up, ill be the only player below 1k mmr :D :D. fml.
Dota 2 QQ thread - Page 937
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
#E: If I keep this up, ill be the only player below 1k mmr :D :D. fml. | ||
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blobrus
4297 Posts
Our incredible spirit breaker was the captain for this wonderful game. His picks were solid, and the bans were even better (LOL). I was of course shit on for my relatively late midas. It was late, but looking at how the game played out it was a good idea. At the end of the game my friend and I tried to tell him why his draft was so bad but he said he honestly believed my midas timing was the reason we lost the game. Idiots. | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
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wuhan_clan
United States5609 Posts
On February 02 2014 22:14 Fatalize wrote: LOL Ability draft separates lucky and unlucky players, that's it On another note, this matchmaking is still fucking godawful, good to see Valve not working on it Far from it. There is a certain element of luck, like getting a shitty base hero. Unlucky is a nice euphemism for noob though. | ||
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DV G
Argentina2339 Posts
On February 03 2014 07:29 blobrus wrote: http://dotabuff.com/matches/497431805 Our incredible spirit breaker was the captain for this wonderful game. His picks were solid, and the bans were even better (LOL). I was of course shit on for my relatively late midas. It was late, but looking at how the game played out it was a good idea. At the end of the game my friend and I tried to tell him why his draft was so bad but he said he honestly believed my midas timing was the reason we lost the game. Idiots. If i guess correctly and he used: SB offlane Wr soft support CM hard support OD mid Spectre Carry Then his picks are good and the laning is good too. SB might be unconventional, but you can ask people like Yango and he was used in CM as a offlaner months ago (given his buffs), he might no be so strong now, but in a "pub CM" a lot of things can work. I dont see a drafting problem, just that OD might be too squishy and propense to hard ganks mid. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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Jaeger
United States1150 Posts
Also love mirana not shooting arrow during sleep cause she has no line to the target who is 500 units from anyone because she doesn't understand arrow goes through sleeping units. | ||
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msl
Germany477 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8267 Posts
On February 03 2014 17:08 msl wrote: Natures Prophet maxing sprout instead of trees.... Whats wrong with that exactly..? Sprout is really good for ganks and teamfights. Some games its correct to get blink and sprout early and tp around ganking everywhere. Other times its correct to sit in the forest for 20 min before coming out and start splitpushing. More often than not, people maxing trees and afk'ing in the forest are playing bad though. | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On February 03 2014 17:10 Excludos wrote: Whats wrong with that exactly..? Sprout is really good for ganks and teamfights. Some games its correct to get blink and sprout early and tp around ganking everywhere. Other times its correct to sit in the forest for 20 min before coming out and start splitpushing. More often than not, people maxing trees and afk'ing in the forest are playing bad though. Maxing trees also lets you push faster. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8267 Posts
Only if the lineup lets you. | ||
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Xypski
Denmark156 Posts
Having more treants will always allow you to push faster, not to mention farm faster. Sometimes getting more in TP is worth it I guess, but not sprout. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8267 Posts
On February 03 2014 18:00 Xypski wrote: What does that even mean? Having more treants will always allow you to push faster, not to mention farm faster. Sometimes getting more in TP is worth it I guess, but not sprout. I don't believe I have to spoon this in. Maxing tp and sprout lets you gank very effectively, but it also does require you to lane. which in a lot of cases is better or equals to farming woods anyways. I have a friend who used to specialize in mid NP, then running around joining every gank and, grabbing a ton of kills and generally being everywhere. This is optimal in a lot of cases rather than grabbing NP and instantly running for woods without having checked that the lineup of your team can even handle 4v5 in the laning stage (which is, right now, 100% of the case in pubs). What maxing treants first does, if your team can handle themselves without you, is indeed push earlier. This is effective if the enemy team lets you. The current metagame and patch is not the best suited for splitpusing (just ask Alliance). If the enemy have picked a lineup that stops your pushing early, you're going to be stuck in the forest until you have items capable of dealing effective damage and/or control. So what does that leave your team when you have no/low sprout until lvl 15? Are you sure your team can handle teamfights for 30 min without you just because you didn't take into consideration your surroundings? | ||
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Xypski
Denmark156 Posts
The question isn't whether a furion who does a lot of work is better than one who does no work, because that'd be a stupid question. The question is rather, what allows you to do the most work in most scenarios. Even in 'good' (think solo easy vs solo or mid) laning scenarios you'll see good NP players go for treants over sprout. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8267 Posts
On February 03 2014 18:37 Xypski wrote: You overestimate the value of a L4 sprout versus a L1 sprout in the early game and underestimate the value of farming/pushing speed. The question isn't whether a furion who does a lot of work is better than one who does no work, because that'd be a stupid question. The question is rather, what allows you to do the most work in most scenarios. Even in 'good' (think solo easy vs solo or mid) laning scenarios you'll see good NP players go for treants over sprout. i don't disagree. Having treants is very good for laning, as well as help you scout for ganks etc. Its also the only reason NP is somewhat viable as solo offlaner. Thats also why I said you have to do different builds depending on the scenario. Not one build is correct. Sometimes maxing sprout before maxing treants is the correct way to go, sometimes the opposite. Which is why whining about "Treants that maxes sprout first.." on the qq thread without any more context is stupid and probably wrong. | ||
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msl
Germany477 Posts
On February 03 2014 18:57 Excludos wrote: i don't disagree. Having treants is very good for laning, as well as help you scout for ganks etc. Its also the only reason NP is somewhat viable as solo offlaner. Thats also why I said you have to do different builds depending on the scenario. Not one build is correct. Sometimes maxing sprout before maxing treants is the correct way to go, sometimes the opposite. Which is why whining about "Treants that maxes sprout first.." on the qq thread without any more context is stupid and probably wrong. If I wanted to discuss the relative merits of NPs skills in any given scenario I wouldn't go to the QQ thread in the first place. Telling me what I can and cannot qq about seems a bit stupid on your part and is probably wrong.... But to give you the context you so desperatly crave: We're talking about a "classic" jungle Furion that just jungled with two trees, maxed sprout and just showed up in every few minutes in a fight to sprout somebody and deal no damage whatsoever because his farm was shit. Hence the qq... | ||
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BoesFX
1465 Posts
On February 03 2014 17:08 Jaeger wrote: I love casting song with naga on their one core we need to kill to win the game then watching an arrow sail by shot before the sleep started aimed nowhere near anyone. Also love mirana not shooting arrow during sleep cause she has no line to the target who is 500 units from anyone because she doesn't understand arrow goes through sleeping units. Arrow goes through sleeping units? I never knew about that. | ||
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
I seriously don't know how this can happen and why players like this pick carry, we still won but it was just sad to see that he couldn't last hit. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34504 Posts
On February 03 2014 19:21 BoesFX wrote: Arrow goes through sleeping units? I never knew about that. Only invulnerable sleeping units, IE Naga sleep. | ||
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