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On January 22 2014 02:15 Ayaz2810 wrote:
I think there's some guide out there that tells Drows to buy 2 wraiths. I brought it up in some other thread. I'm no pro, but that seems like a fucking stupid waste of gold to me. Buy one, upgrade to ring, spend other gold on other shit. If you're so bad that you can't handle the missing stats from that 2nd band, you should probably not be playing multiplayer.
Low-tier items give highest stats-per-cost and are generally strong for earlier fights. Double Wraith is actually fine on Drow or Sniper in the kinds of games where you have to fight before your first major item (they're shitty heroes to be playing as in those situations but whatever, pubs, can't tell how they're going to go at select). She doesn't exactly use a ton of mana so it's not like Drums or Basi actually do you any good in fights, and likewise stuff like Medallion or Urn don't fit her at all.
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On January 22 2014 00:53 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 00:41 Zorkmid wrote:On January 21 2014 23:39 Jetaap wrote:
FUCK this game, playing ranked a guy randoms chen so i ask him if he wants to swap (because i know what random chen ends up looking like... ) He accepts but he wants me to random even though i'm last pick, luckily i get clockwerck so things are looking good.
But noooooo
Our disruptor (called SOLOMID) somehow decides that he is going to ruin this game, starts by buying 3 courriers, then go jungle...
I wasted 40 min on this game....
Of course they were all talking in russians so it was not even possible to ask them to let the other team end the game quickly I just abandon games like that. Why stay 40 minutes? why abandon ? u have to play 4 low priority games again ..
Only if you abandon multiple games in a short window.
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Abandoning in ranked gives you low prio faster.
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random pick carry as a first pick = instant lose
always
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On January 22 2014 05:11 LeLoup wrote:
Sorry, but what?
Apology accepted?
On January 22 2014 05:11 LeLoup wrote:
The two most xp hungry heroes in the game?
That was poorly worded, I meant on the team (not counting Pugna, I was working picks around what we had already)
On January 22 2014 05:11 LeLoup wrote:
You get level 3 on the two of you and then go around killing everything that moves.
Yes, ES does have his infamous level 3-4 combo, but in a dual lane you get it much later, and this guy had no intention of leaving to go around killing anything but red creeps.
On January 22 2014 05:11 LeLoup wrote:
Hell, you can go just leech XP off of enchantress and steal her CS for the first 4 minutes if you wanted to. Odds are she isn't carrying dust with her right away (and even if she is, you'll see it before hand).
Well I can't say I have much experience jungle-leeching, but with
A) Reduced EXP bounty on neutral creeps
B) Larger creeps being dominated
C) A Spirit Breaker+Crystal Maiden a screen and a half away
That option seemed less than optimal
On January 22 2014 05:11 LeLoup wrote:
Pugna is a pretty awesome pick in that situation because not only can you keep enemies from forcing fights with ward and nether blast, but you can also actually take towers after ganks (something that a dazzle, ES, and BH aren't going to do well by themselves.
I'm not saying Pugna was a bad pick in the sense that he wouldn't contribute to the game, but the lack of coordination + they have a spirit breaker made it especially difficult. Additionally it seemed Enchantress was ganking mid, which would normally prompt me to TP in and counter, but for reasons previously explained I had no track, no items outside of phase boots and a much weaker shuriken toss. As for towers we had an Antimage, he can do the pushing while we faff about in other parts of the map.
On January 22 2014 05:11 LeLoup wrote:
Granted the guy is a cock for that, but seriously if you did lose it's because you couldn't adapt your play and you really have nobody to blame but yourself.
Rudeness aside, I've not read/watched/played enough Gondar to discover other playstyles besides:
-Survive to level 5-7 while grabbing any safe creeps
-Pressure the safelane farmer so that he needs a babysitter
-Keep a finger on the TP scroll and respond to viable fights when possible
-Use level advantage (emphasis on that last term) to abuse weaker supports and deliver delicious gold to team
Nearly all of which are much more manageable when I have solo exp to fall back on.
Thanks for the response though, plenty to consider.
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Whenever I'm playing a shitgame of dota, it feels like I'm barfing up shit because that's seriously the level of teammates I'm getting.
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On January 22 2014 06:00 Sn0_Man wrote:
Abandoning in ranked gives you low prio faster.
I've probably left 4 or 5 since ranked started and I haven't been in low p.
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On January 22 2014 05:21 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 02:15 Ayaz2810 wrote:
I think there's some guide out there that tells Drows to buy 2 wraiths. I brought it up in some other thread. I'm no pro, but that seems like a fucking stupid waste of gold to me. Buy one, upgrade to ring, spend other gold on other shit. If you're so bad that you can't handle the missing stats from that 2nd band, you should probably not be playing multiplayer. Low-tier items give highest stats-per-cost and are generally strong for earlier fights. Double Wraith is actually fine on Drow or Sniper in the kinds of games where you have to fight before your first major item (they're shitty heroes to be playing as in those situations but whatever, pubs, can't tell how they're going to go at select). She doesn't exactly use a ton of mana so it's not like Drums or Basi actually do you any good in fights, and likewise stuff like Medallion or Urn don't fit her at all.
which is precisely why I don't understand buying a wraith band on these heroes in the first place, let alone buying two or three of them. It's essentially a wasted item slot and you're gonna to have to sell the item soon if the game is going reasonably well for you. I understand that it's a very cost effective item early game, but if you're gonna have to sell it 10 minutes into the game it surely isn't.
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just had a nice game against broodmother, slark and earth spirit HOORAY
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On January 22 2014 02:15 Ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 21:25 Mandalor wrote:
Randomed Earth Spirit, friend doing A-Z challenge picks Axe.
Other teammates proceed to choose Sniper, QoP and Drow. Great fucking picks.
Sniper goes 0-6, his first three items being wraith bands. Yeah, 3 wraith bands, no boots. Drow only buys two wraith bands, feeds anyway of course. Is there some stupid guide that makes people buy tons of wraith bands for no reason? I think there's some guide out there that tells Drows to buy 2 wraiths. I brought it up in some other thread. I'm no pro, but that seems like a fucking stupid waste of gold to me. Buy one, upgrade to ring, spend other gold on other shit. If you're so bad that you can't handle the missing stats from that 2nd band, you should probably not be playing multiplayer.
You might be surprised how amazing 2 wraith bands can be on drow in early fights. Judging by your post, you probably would be surprised. Also, aquila is waste, imo.
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On January 22 2014 09:16 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 05:21 TheYango wrote:On January 22 2014 02:15 Ayaz2810 wrote:
I think there's some guide out there that tells Drows to buy 2 wraiths. I brought it up in some other thread. I'm no pro, but that seems like a fucking stupid waste of gold to me. Buy one, upgrade to ring, spend other gold on other shit. If you're so bad that you can't handle the missing stats from that 2nd band, you should probably not be playing multiplayer. Low-tier items give highest stats-per-cost and are generally strong for earlier fights. Double Wraith is actually fine on Drow or Sniper in the kinds of games where you have to fight before your first major item (they're shitty heroes to be playing as in those situations but whatever, pubs, can't tell how they're going to go at select). She doesn't exactly use a ton of mana so it's not like Drums or Basi actually do you any good in fights, and likewise stuff like Medallion or Urn don't fit her at all. which is precisely why I don't understand buying a wraith band on these heroes in the first place, let alone buying two or three of them. It's essentially a wasted item slot and you're gonna to have to sell the item soon if the game is going reasonably well for you. I understand that it's a very cost effective item early game, but if you're gonna have to sell it 10 minutes into the game it surely isn't.
Multiple lvl1 items is highly effective especially in disadvantaged game due to you will need to join team fight in an early timing. You actually said the key point of it: sell them after. You basically borrowed 2 wraithbands with about 400golds, it is a very good investment since as a carry without farm it is likely that you are going to have those 2 slots empty anyway, much better than you stuck in the typical vicious cycle of 'saving gold to buy X item but cant farm shit (and keep dying)'.
4/5 wraiths can be used for Spec in extreme situation, 2/3 wraiths are pretty common on drow/sniper when your game is really screwed up. Not saying that you must go multiple wraiths on these heroes in disadvantaged game, but just saying it is an option.
edit: i thought this was the simple question thread...
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0 wards, no courier, I'm mid = I'm fucked, because the enemy team is actively smoke-ganking after counterpicking us with visage alch who actively buy smoke dust wards cour. I get ganked multiple times and am completely shutdown while I'm trying to buy literally goddamn everything.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gLAqOU6.gif)
This image describes my dota experience very well
sometimes you're one of the guys laughing
sometimes you're one of the guys getting assraped by a spinning top
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Single draft, guy instalocks Sniper then feeds OD mid. 25 minutes he had BKB, Force, Sheep and Atos.
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I just got talked down to by a sven who gets 2 points in stun, leaves it, then maxes cleave with 2 ogre clubs and phase boots.
I mean I like damage as much as the next guy, but srsly
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On January 22 2014 09:46 juracule wrote:0 wards, no courier, I'm mid = I'm fucked, because the enemy team is actively smoke-ganking after counterpicking us with visage alch who actively buy smoke dust wards cour. I get ganked multiple times and am completely shutdown while I'm trying to buy literally goddamn everything. This image describes my dota experience very well sometimes you're one of the guys laughing sometimes you're one of the guys getting assraped by a spinning top
this gif describes dota so well. I just had one of the assrape games, my team was feeding everyone on my team except me had double digit deaths fighting 2v5 all the time. I don't know but how hard is it to understand that if the enemy is 5-maning and you don't have t1s anymore that the jungle is not safe and going beyond the river is not safe either.
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I somehow pick Io by accident after hovering over Jakiro for ages. Whatever.
LC insists on safe lane farm. Maxes MoC and PtA with nothing in his nuke and talks shit when I tell him to level his nuke, and tells me off because I can't outharrass a DK Lina lane as Wisp when our ranged presence is basically my peashooter and spirits since LC has no nuke, and everything I can do isn't enough against Dragon's Blood regen, not to mention Lina has infinite range and if I get out of position for a second I lose at least 3/4 my health if not die outright because she actually has fucking nukes you know.
OD on the offlane took Arcane Orb level 1.
Disruptor goes Bracer Wand before brown boots. He only bought wards at the start because I made him (he wanted to start with the Bracer otherwise).
My friend on Viper mid feeds SF, and I was CONSTANTLY telling him to use Poison Attack on him from level 1 and he just wasn't doing it. LITERALLY PRESS Q WIN LANE WHAT IS HARD ABOUT THIS?
Game is hard sometimes.
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3 games played today
1 game my whole team feeds
1 game have intentional feeder feeding couriers and shit
1 game have 3 people with 800 ping on my team because they chose the wrong server and they just feed
how is this fair?
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On January 22 2014 01:51 idonthinksobro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 21:24 -Celestial- wrote:On January 21 2014 20:26 Belisarius wrote:
I just had a mid storm lose to a meepo. And lose as in 0-3 into abandoning lane to bottle-crow jungle kind of lose.
Most of the time I get annoyed when people play the "I don't even know how you do that" card, because often they've never played the matchup themselves and have no idea that disruptor or whatever is actually really nasty to lane against.
But....
I don't even know how you do that. Meepo is pretty strong to be honest. >_> Had a "wonderful" game the other day. After some wonky picks I end up laning offlane as Gondar with Kunkka. Eh, whatever. We manage to get some nice levels, a bit of farm against their Tusk and Invoker and gank the hell out of Invoker. Awesome. OD is doing fine mid. Whatever. Bottom PA is getting decentish farm too. Going well. Game goes on and we start getting ahead. I'm ganking all over and we're winning skirmishes. Their Clockwerk calls gg, raging at Pudge (who is pretty terrible). Then the other team starts getting kills. They have Clock, Pugna and Invoker. So all they need is a good hook/cogs and they can batter us down. OD is yelling orders at people and pinging randomly on the map, in the meanwhile he's getting Dagon. Ok, whatever; Dazzle says he should get a BKB next rather than more levels on his Dagon. Nope, gotta have that Dagon 5. We lose fight after fight mainly off the back of their now snowballing Invoker. OD can do literally nothing because he just gets instantly blown up with spells. I'm starting to fall off (I'd been something like 6-0 and was now even on my KD) but PA is picking up steam. After losing a bunch of towers we end up in an interesting situation. I'm pushing their offlane with PA (I've got Deso) and the other team is 5-manning mid. Ok, if our team can hold we can trade nicely here. They start pushing onto our highground and we take a T2...then T3...then rax...then T4. In return they get only rax and the odd kill. Nice, if we can do that again we can just throne them since its exposed now. More fights, more falling behind. Meh. End up in the same situation, this time top. OD is pushing top and I BoT up there. We push in whilst the other team is pushing bottom to try and even up the creepwave pushing in there due to us taking rax. We kill the T3 and I sense blood. Their team has only TPd one back who we've already scared to fountain. If we go all in on the throne we either force mass TPs back or win there and then. I ping like mad on the fountain, call for him to come attack it. NOPE LETS KEEP ATTACKING THE NEWLY SPAWNED ENEMY CREEPWAVE. He dies to mass TPs back, I don't think he even used his BKB. I can't kill the throne by myself (knock about a third to half its health off, with his higher damage we'd have killed it) and eventually die to them. Other team just pushes mid, kills the rest of our team and wins. Whole team yelling at this OD. -_- Awful throw. ODs arcane orb can't target buildings so he only does like 100-300 damage per hit to the ancient.
I know. I wasn't factoring orb damage into my estimate. Would have killed it because he had higher damage output than me and considering the damage I'd done by myself it was an easy win.
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On January 22 2014 19:58 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 01:51 idonthinksobro wrote:On January 21 2014 21:24 -Celestial- wrote:On January 21 2014 20:26 Belisarius wrote:
I just had a mid storm lose to a meepo. And lose as in 0-3 into abandoning lane to bottle-crow jungle kind of lose.
Most of the time I get annoyed when people play the "I don't even know how you do that" card, because often they've never played the matchup themselves and have no idea that disruptor or whatever is actually really nasty to lane against.
But....
I don't even know how you do that. Meepo is pretty strong to be honest. >_> Had a "wonderful" game the other day. After some wonky picks I end up laning offlane as Gondar with Kunkka. Eh, whatever. We manage to get some nice levels, a bit of farm against their Tusk and Invoker and gank the hell out of Invoker. Awesome. OD is doing fine mid. Whatever. Bottom PA is getting decentish farm too. Going well. Game goes on and we start getting ahead. I'm ganking all over and we're winning skirmishes. Their Clockwerk calls gg, raging at Pudge (who is pretty terrible). Then the other team starts getting kills. They have Clock, Pugna and Invoker. So all they need is a good hook/cogs and they can batter us down. OD is yelling orders at people and pinging randomly on the map, in the meanwhile he's getting Dagon. Ok, whatever; Dazzle says he should get a BKB next rather than more levels on his Dagon. Nope, gotta have that Dagon 5. We lose fight after fight mainly off the back of their now snowballing Invoker. OD can do literally nothing because he just gets instantly blown up with spells. I'm starting to fall off (I'd been something like 6-0 and was now even on my KD) but PA is picking up steam. After losing a bunch of towers we end up in an interesting situation. I'm pushing their offlane with PA (I've got Deso) and the other team is 5-manning mid. Ok, if our team can hold we can trade nicely here. They start pushing onto our highground and we take a T2...then T3...then rax...then T4. In return they get only rax and the odd kill. Nice, if we can do that again we can just throne them since its exposed now. More fights, more falling behind. Meh. End up in the same situation, this time top. OD is pushing top and I BoT up there. We push in whilst the other team is pushing bottom to try and even up the creepwave pushing in there due to us taking rax. We kill the T3 and I sense blood. Their team has only TPd one back who we've already scared to fountain. If we go all in on the throne we either force mass TPs back or win there and then. I ping like mad on the fountain, call for him to come attack it. NOPE LETS KEEP ATTACKING THE NEWLY SPAWNED ENEMY CREEPWAVE. He dies to mass TPs back, I don't think he even used his BKB. I can't kill the throne by myself (knock about a third to half its health off, with his higher damage we'd have killed it) and eventually die to them. Other team just pushes mid, kills the rest of our team and wins. Whole team yelling at this OD. -_- Awful throw. ODs arcane orb can't target buildings so he only does like 100-300 damage per hit to the ancient. I know. I wasn't factoring orb damage into my estimate. Would have killed it because he had higher damage output than me and considering the damage I'd done by myself it was an easy win.
how does an od that goes for dagon 5 have higher building damage than a bounty hunter? If you have any damage item you should do way more damage and i'm talking like 5x times more.
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On January 22 2014 21:32 idonthinksobro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 19:58 -Celestial- wrote:On January 22 2014 01:51 idonthinksobro wrote:On January 21 2014 21:24 -Celestial- wrote:On January 21 2014 20:26 Belisarius wrote:
I just had a mid storm lose to a meepo. And lose as in 0-3 into abandoning lane to bottle-crow jungle kind of lose.
Most of the time I get annoyed when people play the "I don't even know how you do that" card, because often they've never played the matchup themselves and have no idea that disruptor or whatever is actually really nasty to lane against.
But....
I don't even know how you do that. Meepo is pretty strong to be honest. >_> Had a "wonderful" game the other day. After some wonky picks I end up laning offlane as Gondar with Kunkka. Eh, whatever. We manage to get some nice levels, a bit of farm against their Tusk and Invoker and gank the hell out of Invoker. Awesome. OD is doing fine mid. Whatever. Bottom PA is getting decentish farm too. Going well. Game goes on and we start getting ahead. I'm ganking all over and we're winning skirmishes. Their Clockwerk calls gg, raging at Pudge (who is pretty terrible). Then the other team starts getting kills. They have Clock, Pugna and Invoker. So all they need is a good hook/cogs and they can batter us down. OD is yelling orders at people and pinging randomly on the map, in the meanwhile he's getting Dagon. Ok, whatever; Dazzle says he should get a BKB next rather than more levels on his Dagon. Nope, gotta have that Dagon 5. We lose fight after fight mainly off the back of their now snowballing Invoker. OD can do literally nothing because he just gets instantly blown up with spells. I'm starting to fall off (I'd been something like 6-0 and was now even on my KD) but PA is picking up steam. After losing a bunch of towers we end up in an interesting situation. I'm pushing their offlane with PA (I've got Deso) and the other team is 5-manning mid. Ok, if our team can hold we can trade nicely here. They start pushing onto our highground and we take a T2...then T3...then rax...then T4. In return they get only rax and the odd kill. Nice, if we can do that again we can just throne them since its exposed now. More fights, more falling behind. Meh. End up in the same situation, this time top. OD is pushing top and I BoT up there. We push in whilst the other team is pushing bottom to try and even up the creepwave pushing in there due to us taking rax. We kill the T3 and I sense blood. Their team has only TPd one back who we've already scared to fountain. If we go all in on the throne we either force mass TPs back or win there and then. I ping like mad on the fountain, call for him to come attack it. NOPE LETS KEEP ATTACKING THE NEWLY SPAWNED ENEMY CREEPWAVE. He dies to mass TPs back, I don't think he even used his BKB. I can't kill the throne by myself (knock about a third to half its health off, with his higher damage we'd have killed it) and eventually die to them. Other team just pushes mid, kills the rest of our team and wins. Whole team yelling at this OD. -_- Awful throw. ODs arcane orb can't target buildings so he only does like 100-300 damage per hit to the ancient. I know. I wasn't factoring orb damage into my estimate. Would have killed it because he had higher damage output than me and considering the damage I'd done by myself it was an easy win. how does an od that goes for dagon 5 have higher building damage than a bounty hunter? If you have any damage item you should do way more damage and i'm talking like 5x times more.
Because by that point it was significantly later in the game and he had more than just Dagon 5 because the team had been busily trying to hold off the opposition so they could actually farm some items to do the needed damage to the other team. Fighting 4v5 and trading a little less than evenly. He was more farmed than anyone else at that point.
It wasn't like a 5 minute gap between getting Dagon 5 and these pushes, I'm talking a solid 20 minutes+ of everyone else trying to shield him and PA from harm so they could actually get big enough items to do enough damage. He had several extra int items by that stage and was hitting like a truck even without orb. Unfortunately he didn't know how to choose what to aim at apparently.
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