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On July 27 2012 01:11 Heh_ wrote:
Well I guess it sucks to be stuck in "elo hell". You suck, your allies suck and your opponents suck. At the level I'm playing, I don't experience whatever you're talking about. Me and my allies can coordinate ganks pretty well, have good map awareness, know how to stick as a team etc.
"Shitty heroes and shitty items" is what happens when you don't know how to play. Like shadow shaman building SnY (seen it before). Again, it's a consequence of being stuck in "elo hell".
TLDR: Don't blame the game if you're bad at it.
even people like Purge talks about "bad heroes" (Sven for instance) so it's obviously something that's endemic to the game, not just to the level of play. TLDR: whatever.. get off your high horse
On July 27 2012 00:58 Erasme wrote:
I see that you didn't try to communicate, because in most of my games, even if we're not an oiled machine, we're still (trying to) coordinate. If you don't like teamgames where you can chose your strategy, then you should stick to sc2.
It really feels like you're blaming the game because you lose tho.
stop assuming. I have commends for "leadership" just like everyone else does.
I'm not blaming the game because I lose.. I just as often stuck with the feeling that a lot of the games I win are because of adventitious team picks, so it goes both ways. It's obvious that people aren't interested in looking at dota at any deeper level here, so whatever, I'll let it go.
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Sven is so bad Orange picked him. And won.
Funny that you think that we arent interested in deep level dota, when you're obviously bad. You must stick one thing in your mind : 'pub games don't count' else riki/pudge/bh/ursa would be must ban.
Ofc when you pick better, you have an advantage. It would be freaking stupid otherwise.
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Purge is wrong then. Sven is fine for matchmaking. Even some of the worst heroes of the game, like Bloodseeker, can dominate pubs quite easily if used well. "Bad heroes" is only a issue for competitive play, and then it doesn't really matters because it's on -cm. It is hardly ever a reason to lose a game on matchmaking. Individual skill and team composition overall are much more relevant.
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Batrider is a pretty common pick in pro games, but has a terrible win percentage. That doesn't mean it's bad. Every hero has its uses. Sure, some heroes like Alchemist and Bloodseeker aren't particularly good but at your MMR level, any half-competent player can dominate with them. No one forced you to pick them.
In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
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On July 27 2012 01:32 Erasme wrote:
Sven is so bad Orange picked him. And won.
Funny that you think that we arent interested in deep level dota, when you're obviously bad. You must stick one thing in your mind : 'pub games don't count' else riki/pudge/bh/ursa would be must ban.
Ofc when you pick better, you have an advantage. It would be freaking stupid otherwise.
that's a crazy thing to want someone to "stick in their mind" considering pub games is the only thing 90+% of the people playing dota will ever play. Of course pubs matter. From a consumer point of view, it's what matters most
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I'm sorry, if you want to balance the game for the average joe, I don't even know wtf are you doing in teamliquid.
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On July 27 2012 02:18 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 01:32 Erasme wrote:
Sven is so bad Orange picked him. And won.
Funny that you think that we arent interested in deep level dota, when you're obviously bad. You must stick one thing in your mind : 'pub games don't count' else riki/pudge/bh/ursa would be must ban.
Ofc when you pick better, you have an advantage. It would be freaking stupid otherwise. that's a crazy thing to want someone to "stick in their mind" considering pub games is the only thing 90+% of the people playing dota will ever play. Of course pubs matter. From a consumer point of view, it's what matters most
I see the argument you're making here -- that the game isn't designed well for the "casual" player. For players that aren't very good, I can see how the outcome of the game would seem random or predetermined by hero choices. I think the nature of the game is that it requires a lot of knowledge before you can make intelligent decisions. I don't see how this could be avoided in this genre, and I think it will necessarily be present in any complex game. Would you blame the designers of chess if you play the game but don't know how the pieces move? The cost of enjoying complex games is overcoming the learning curve.
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So I just lost a 19 min game vs fucking garbage players because our storm spirit mid lost mid so hard vs rhasta that he had no towers (no t3 either) at like 12 mins
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You let them t3 you after 12 minutes without rotating to help?
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Guy doesn't pick. I hope he dcs, because late picks usually fail. I'm Leshrac mid vs Death Prophet, going ok, when suddenly, a wild Kunkka appears. Since he's Kunkka it's his god-given privilege that he have mid. He wasn't bad or anything, just a dickhead who flamed the rest of the team all the time. Sigh. Fuck up lanes-->complain about team. Sure sure.
Edit: Alrighty, fuck "supports". I love supports, but people who claim to be, but really aren't drive me mad. Here's how they think being a support works: It's basically the same as a carry, but you have to take lasthits from him. Try for every single one. When called out, say that you are not farming, since you don't have any cs. Fuck those asshat shitface cunts.
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On July 27 2012 04:09 Yacobs wrote:
You let them t3 you after 12 minutes without rotating to help?
Yeah let's rotate to help a terrible player do something he should be able to do alone while we lose both of our long lane towers to the psuedo trilane, which then joins up with rhasta and takes a t3 anyway.
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So basically your entire team got outplayed. QQ-worthy indeed.
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No? I was doing fine soloing the suicide lane on WR, I was the highest level in the game except for rhasta and their carry did not have anything close to what you could consider free farm. In our safe lane I think we had omniknight and bane or something retarded, but they were doing fine in their lane, and a jungling syllabear.
So, pretty bad picks, none of those heroes are particularly good at stopping a push, but it's a pub so you kind of expect bad picks to happen at least 9/10 games, and it wouldn't even have been that bad if storm hadn't managed to get raped so badly in mid.
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On July 27 2012 06:25 Canas wrote:
No? I was doing fine soloing the suicide lane on WR, I was the highest level in the game except for rhasta and their carry did not have anything close to what you could consider free farm. In our safe lane I think we had omniknight and bane or something retarded, but they were doing fine in their lane, and a jungling syllabear.
So, pretty bad picks, none of those heroes are particularly good at stopping a push, but it's a pub so you kind of expect bad picks to happen at least 9/10 games, and it wouldn't even have been that bad if storm hadn't managed to get raped so badly in mid.
So you played the only real solo lane in the game on your team and are bragging about being the highest level? You must be a wizard or something. If you didn't rotate to keep your t3 from being pushed down by minute 12 you are terrible, noone is going to believe anything else you say. Players lose lanes, you don't just abandon them to their own devices while they feed into oblivion, you help them out, and try to win it back. Obviously, you're at a disadvantage....YOU LOST A LANE. The answer isn't letting it get pushed back to your rax because you're too busy gaining levels on a wr, and keeping your precious t1 up.
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On July 27 2012 01:23 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 01:11 Heh_ wrote:
Well I guess it sucks to be stuck in "elo hell". You suck, your allies suck and your opponents suck. At the level I'm playing, I don't experience whatever you're talking about. Me and my allies can coordinate ganks pretty well, have good map awareness, know how to stick as a team etc.
"Shitty heroes and shitty items" is what happens when you don't know how to play. Like shadow shaman building SnY (seen it before). Again, it's a consequence of being stuck in "elo hell".
TLDR: Don't blame the game if you're bad at it. even people like Purge talks about "bad heroes" (Sven for instance) so it's obviously something that's endemic to the game, not just to the level of play. TLDR: whatever.. get off your high horse Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 00:58 Erasme wrote:
I see that you didn't try to communicate, because in most of my games, even if we're not an oiled machine, we're still (trying to) coordinate. If you don't like teamgames where you can chose your strategy, then you should stick to sc2.
It really feels like you're blaming the game because you lose tho. stop assuming. I have commends for "leadership" just like everyone else does. I'm not blaming the game because I lose.. I just as often stuck with the feeling that a lot of the games I win are because of adventitious team picks, so it goes both ways. It's obvious that people aren't interested in looking at dota at any deeper level here, so whatever, I'll let it go.
There is no such thing as a bad hero, sure there are bad builds but most of this have to do with skill. I can go SF hex and heart even though im an agi hero if I am raping, because it doesnt matter when im already over level etc. (This is a very loose example, but yes I have bought basher on QOP before because I was already owning).
You are being completely rude here by telling people to get off their high horse when after reading your posts you obviously don't understand the game very well atm and talking about it from a new comer point of view.
It's ok to be new but yeah..... it's hard for new comers, I know what you mean, imagine alchemist, doom, faceless void, phantom assassin and spectre in the same game on a team. Probably sucks to play in a team like that, but thats why if you are new should start out to learn to play against bots or unranked matches first... because your MMR only gets higher if you win a few games in a row consistently against people who are better than you...........................
idk. I would probably feel the same way as you if I went to play LoL
I can empathize with how you feel but not with the way you reply aggressively to people who are trying to explain. Dont take it too personally!!
Yes this is a QQ thread though.................... so maybe we shoudn't have replied to his obvious QQ.
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On July 26 2012 09:43 castled wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 08:35 ahswtini wrote:On July 26 2012 07:32 indxrje wrote:
people that decline match/don't accept should be shot Will be punished this upcoming patch  Oh what's being done about this in the next patch? What I really hate is when people fail to load the game. I don't understand how this even happens besides if they hit accept and then alt+f4...
I punch them through the monitor
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What is it that you're not getting? "Real" solo lane? I'm pretty sure storm spirit vs rhasta mid is a pretty real solo lane too. And sure, losing your lane happens, but you don't fucking lose it so hard that you get your towers pushed down that fucking quickly, and idk if you understand this, but if you leave the lane where they have a dual lane + a jungler (enchantress in this case), it's not only the t1 that you're forfeiting, but also the t2, for what exactly? Keeping our t3 tower alive for another 2 minutes, at best?
I'm one person, I can't just assume control of bane or omniknight and make them move from their completely uncontested lane to help defend.
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play with friends
lose a bunch of games
get moved back down to high after only one day in very high
fml
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On July 27 2012 07:29 red_b wrote:
play with friends
lose a bunch of games
get moved back down to high after only one day in very high
fml
That is what smurf accounts are for  granted, since closed beta, not everyone can have one. But man, many of my friends I refrain from playing on my main account for that very reason.
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purge is not a good player rofl
sven is a perfectly good hero, what a load of rubbish
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