Dota 2 QQ thread - Page 87

On July 27 2012 07:29 red_b wrote:
play with friends

lose a bunch of games

get moved back down to high after only one day in very high

fml

On July 26 2012 18:13 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Naga's ult cd when maxed.

Fuck you. Fuck. You.

On July 27 2012 10:02 Dead9 wrote:
i think 30％ winrate is like standard actually

On July 27 2012 02:48 Erasme wrote:
I'm sorry, if you want to balance the game for the average joe, I don't even know wtf are you doing in teamliquid.

On July 27 2012 06:41 kellymilkies wrote:


There is no such thing as a bad hero, sure there are bad builds but most of this have to do with skill. I can go SF hex and heart even though im an agi hero if I am raping, because it doesnt matter when im already over level etc. (This is a very loose example, but yes I have bought basher on QOP before because I was already owning).

You are being completely rude here by telling people to get off their high horse when after reading your posts you obviously don't understand the game very well atm and talking about it from a new comer point of view.

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I can empathize with how you feel but not with the way you reply aggressively to people who are trying to explain. Dont take it too personally!!

On July 27 2012 11:08 Quotidian wrote:


this is a SC2 forum - why do you expect to find nothing but hardcore dota players here?




opinions differ there, obviously. Even pro players Purge has interviewed has talked about certain heroes being bad, for instance Shadow Fiend as a lategame carry (I don't remember who said this, but it's on Purge's channel) So whatever.. opinions differ



oh stop... the people I was replying to "aggressively" were people who were aggressive towards me first. No one has been trying to explain anything. Posters like "Heh_" never wanted to be helpful, he wanted to assert his dota dominance (talk about a pointless quality to possess) and to put me down and to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. There has been overly presumptive posts suggesting that I always pick a carry and don't pick according to enemy team composition, when the opposite is actually the case -- just because that is apparently what new players do according to this guy.

If I need to sink 1000 hours into the game to understand it "very well atm" then that just reaffirms my point: The game is way too complex for its own good, it has way too many obscure elements, and a traditional Valve game would've weeded that kind of garbage out because they usually understand that those kind of things makes a game worse. But in this case they've unfortunately decided to do a very straight port instead of taking the opportunity to improve upon a deeply flawed, but still weirdly popular game. Dota is basically the textbook example of "feature creep."

I absolutely know what I'm talking about, because I'm talking about my experience as a player of my particular level. If you think Valve isn't seriously concerned with the new player experience, then you're living in La-La Land. Just because I haven't autism'd my way to higher levels of "understanding," doesn't mean I can't spot a horribly designed mess of a game when I see one.

On July 27 2012 11:08 Quotidian wrote:


this is a SC2 forum - why do you expect to find nothing but hardcore dota players here?




opinions differ there, obviously. Even pro players Purge has interviewed has talked about certain heroes being bad, for instance Shadow Fiend as a lategame carry (I don't remember who said this, but it's on Purge's channel) So whatever.. opinions differ



oh stop... the people I was replying to "aggressively" were people who were aggressive towards me first. No one has been trying to explain anything. Posters like "Heh_" never wanted to be helpful, he wanted to assert his dota dominance (talk about a pointless quality to possess) and to put me down and to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. There has been overly presumptive posts suggesting that I always pick a carry and don't pick according to enemy team composition, when the opposite is actually the case -- just because that is apparently what new players do according to this guy.

If I need to sink 1000 hours into the game to understand it "very well atm" then that just reaffirms my point: The game is way too complex for its own good, it has way too many obscure elements, and a traditional Valve game would've weeded that kind of garbage out because they usually understand that those kind of things makes a game worse. But in this case they've unfortunately decided to do a very straight port instead of taking the opportunity to improve upon a deeply flawed, but still weirdly popular game. Dota is basically the textbook example of "feature creep."

I absolutely know what I'm talking about, because I'm talking about my experience as a player of my particular level. If you think Valve isn't seriously concerned with the new player experience, then you're living in La-La Land. Just because I haven't autism'd my way to higher levels of "understanding," doesn't mean I can't spot a horribly designed mess of a game when I see one.

On July 27 2012 11:38 Audemed wrote:


Ok, I'm at school, and this post made me log in. You're complaining that the game is complex, what? In this day and age, with Call of Duty and Angry birds being the pinnacle of modern mass-gaming, you bitch that it takes some time to learn? Working, "balanced" complexity is what hardcore gamers (not pro, not semipro, but people who are gamers rather than individuals who play games) desire. I got into DOTA2 a few months back after never playing a MOBA before. I played my first 30 games, i fed, i died, i sucked. Then I learned. And learned more. And learned more. As of today, I'll be breaking 1000 hours in the game. I'm still learning.

Deep complexity, synergy, choices, and skillcaps are what make games good. Sorry, I can't in any way condone your desire to make DOTA2 replace your angrybirds daily game fix.

On July 27 2012 12:39 flamewheel wrote:
because that's how it's supposed to be

On July 27 2012 11:08 Quotidian wrote:


this is a SC2 forum - why do you expect to find nothing but hardcore dota players here?




opinions differ there, obviously. Even pro players Purge has interviewed has talked about certain heroes being bad, for instance Shadow Fiend as a lategame carry (I don't remember who said this, but it's on Purge's channel) So whatever.. opinions differ



oh stop... the people I was replying to "aggressively" were people who were aggressive towards me first. No one has been trying to explain anything. Posters like "Heh_" never wanted to be helpful, he wanted to assert his dota dominance (talk about a pointless quality to possess) and to put me down and to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. There has been overly presumptive posts suggesting that I always pick a carry and don't pick according to enemy team composition, when the opposite is actually the case -- just because that is apparently what new players do according to this guy.

If I need to sink 1000 hours into the game to understand it "very well atm" then that just reaffirms my point: The game is way too complex for its own good, it has way too many obscure elements, and a traditional Valve game would've weeded that kind of garbage out because they usually understand that those kind of things makes a game worse. But in this case they've unfortunately decided to do a very straight port instead of taking the opportunity to improve upon a deeply flawed, but still weirdly popular game. Dota is basically the textbook example of "feature creep."

I absolutely know what I'm talking about, because I'm talking about my experience as a player of my particular level. If you think Valve isn't seriously concerned with the new player experience, then you're living in La-La Land. Just because I haven't autism'd my way to higher levels of "understanding," doesn't mean I can't spot a horribly designed mess of a game when I see one.

On July 27 2012 12:50 brachester wrote:

was it like that in the original?

On July 27 2012 13:28 BlindKill wrote:
That feeling when you are a sniper solo middle and heroes like bat/invoker/qop rape your face the moment you appear out of fog of war. :l

On July 27 2012 13:49 FinestHour wrote:


its your fault for picking a terrible hero
there are much much much stronger ranged heroes that do his what sniper does but a million times better

On July 27 2012 14:25 BlindKill wrote:


I understand your point of view. He lacks an escaping spell or any ability to support team like Silence/stun , and cannot be influential in early-mid team fights until he gets his ultimate. He also lacks in damage and highly dependant on farms to be successful carry, some heroes don't need as much gold to materially change the game. Drow/Bone have decent range for good farming but still have the ability to affect team fights. Fielding him for middle drastically reduces the rune control ( I only go middle if my hero is the best fit ). I'd consider Mirana, Drow, Bone and Weaver to be "better" than sniper when you take into account factors like nukes, survivability, disables/debuffs etc etc.

But I wouldn't call him a terrible hero per se, Sniper just excel so damn hard in farming ,lane control and chipping enemy heroes. A few things make Sniper my favourite hero is how quick the attack animation and projectile speed is, as well as the insanely long range. Doing the "dance" with an ice invoker knowing that any momentary lost in focus will result in you getting cold snapped and attacked to death, trying to abuse that extra 150ish range and fast animation to grab the cs/deny with one single shot and constantly looking for cheap shots on the enemy while minding the distance between the two heroes and how fast it will close. Yeah, early game Sniper just gets crumbed in any straight up fights against good solo but with good hero control they will have a hard time reaching you / getting cs/deny at all. Most games I can get 4/min cs and 2-3/min denies by 10 minutes for solo middle just by minding the distance.

While its not a terrible hero, it is definitely a situational one. I usually play with a team of 5 consisting of me, one pure support (veno/cm types), two ganker (pudge, nightstalker, SF types) and one guy who usually tag along to gank. I would go Sniper because I know I can handle my lane against most ( hardest MU I faced is ice invoker ) heroes as long as the enemy team is not capable of ganking as they as being forced into defensive state by my teammate's pressure.

atm I'm 14-1 with Sniper and would probably do worse if I go Mirana, Drow, Bone / Weaver (maybe not Weaver cause he is op ).

On July 27 2012 15:02 rabidch wrote:

basically what this guy is saying is that sniper has a gun, and not a lot of heroes have guns that shoot over 600 range

On July 27 2012 11:08 Quotidian wrote:

If I need to sink 1000 hours into the game to understand it "very well atm" then that just reaffirms my point: The game is way too complex for its own good, it has way too many obscure elements, and a traditional Valve game would've weeded that kind of garbage out because they usually understand that those kind of things makes a game worse. But in this case they've unfortunately decided to do a very straight port instead of taking the opportunity to improve upon a deeply flawed, but still weirdly popular game. Dota is basically the textbook example of "feature creep."

I absolutely know what I'm talking about, because I'm talking about my experience as a player of my particular level. If you think Valve isn't seriously concerned with the new player experience, then you're living in La-La Land. Just because I haven't autism'd my way to higher levels of "understanding," doesn't mean I can't spot a horribly designed mess of a game when I see one.