EPTDota 2 QQ thread - Page 124
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
Of course there is always risk involved, if you bottled first and get outplayed, the oppo get the bottle before 2min and if he got the next rune, good luck with winning that lane lol | ||
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
If you both random and he has a wraith band, 3 branches and tango + salve, while you have a bottle and 4 branches, you should NEVER be getting more last hits than he is. What you gain by going bottle first/rushing bottle is the ability to spam weak, mana inefficent spells while giving your opponent a way easier time last hitting. The only time I think bottle rushing is good is if you have a spell that's somewhat mana efficent at low levels, that will help you both harass and last hit, and there aren't a lot of these. The only ones I can really think of off the top of my head are arc lightning, static remnant and shukuchi. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
riki+chen should beat vs+tide pretty comfortably | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On August 26 2012 22:24 Canas wrote: Well no because if you rush bottle and you're winning last hits while he's not, he's bad and you'd win the lane no matter what item build you went for. If you both random and he has a wraith band, 3 branches and tango + salve, while you have a bottle and 4 branches, you should NEVER be getting more last hits than he is. What you gain by going bottle first/rushing bottle is the ability to spam weak, mana inefficent spells while giving your opponent a way easier time last hitting. The only time I think bottle rushing is good is if you have a spell that's somewhat mana efficent at low levels, that will help you both harass and last hit, and there aren't a lot of these. The only ones I can really think of off the top of my head are arc lightning, static remnant and shukuchi. Though I agree with you on your point that the additional stats granted by not going bottle first are stronger, some of the stronger level 1 spells can also be decent when coupled with an immediate bottle upon randoming. Queen of Pain's Shadow Strike: 80 mana for a 200 total damage nuke at level 1 is pretty good. Of course, the 20 second cooldown is a bit long but with a 1-1-1 build you can save your mana. Shadow Strike has a short casting range as well so you may take some damage when moving forward to use it. Ether Shock isn't bad either. While it doesn't help you get last hits, 140 damage for 95 mana is quite nice. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
It is just another cheesy strat in pub. Like I saw once someone 3branch+salve to get fast bottle. | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On August 26 2012 23:19 BurningSera wrote: Well is just the small timing window matters, the point is you need to go very aggresive and trade hp ie you are distracting him last hit to delaying his bottle and you are guaranteed to use the rune at 2min (whether you could get it or not is another thing). If you got bottle and do nothing to utilize it then of course you are going to get outplayed. It is just another cheesy strat in pub. Like I saw once someone 3branch+salve to get fast bottle. thats pretty standard for heros that rush bottle mid in competitive games, like TA, BM ect. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
like tiny, beastmaster, earthshaker, zeuz, ogre, etc bottle off random makes sense for a lot of heroes 3branch + salve or tango bottle rush makes sense for a lot of heroes as well | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On August 26 2012 23:18 Dead9 wrote: chen + a carry is pretty good on the safe lane because chen can generally force back anything short of a trilane, though it does sacrifice a lot of the chen's farm riki+chen should beat vs+tide pretty comfortably It was radiant forest. The problem was riki couldnt farm comfortably because lane was constantly being pushed and i couldnt pull (if i could pull at least i can stay close with riki), i have to walk all the way to the big camp to get my exp but riki keep getting harassed to low hp so i wasted my time to keep going back and forth to help and thus getting little farm/level. Riki still got his items in the end but i was so far behind of farm and level behind which made me pretty much useless later (typical failed chen). No go for me chen to go with a carry vs dual lane. Depressing as fck. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On August 26 2012 23:34 cilinder007 wrote: thats pretty standard for heros that rush bottle mid in competitive games, like TA, BM ect. I always missed the items of the mid hero in pro games haha. It is damn cheesy if you asked me. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
edit: 3branch + tango or pot is completely standard for tiny and bm lol | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On August 26 2012 23:42 Dead9 wrote: counterward? fck ward i am playing in pub!!! (yeh.......should have dewarded that........) I got cour and ward for hardlane at start so i just wanna get my boots asap  | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
or courier+ward+manapot and just buy a counterward if you need it edit: or if ur feeling ballsy the standard courier+ward+manapot*2+tango is cool too, the timing is sometimes pretty tight if you wanna counterward by 2 minutes though | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On August 27 2012 00:14 Canas wrote: Random gold should be removed. There is no fucking reason for it to be there, I was just playing SF mid vs an exort invoker with random gold, so he's hitting for roughly 25 more damage than I am from level 1. All it does is make some lanes completely fucking unplayable, jesus christ. I was so sad when they removed random gold from ap in HoN. | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On August 27 2012 00:14 Canas wrote: Random gold should be removed. There is no fucking reason for it to be there, I was just playing SF mid vs an exort invoker with random gold, so he's hitting for roughly 25 more damage than I am from level 1. All it does is make some lanes completely fucking unplayable, jesus christ. oh you're playing sf vs invoker and you expected to not have less dmg without souls ? | ||
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
On August 27 2012 00:19 cilinder007 wrote: oh you're playing sf vs invoker and you expected to not have less dmg without souls ? What the fuck does that have to do with anything? When in the fuck did I ever say ANYTHING AT ALL that could make a comment like that relevant? I would honestly LOVE to know how you think posting that could add anything to the discussion. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
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