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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 08 2014 16:40 GMT
#1721
Interesting no particular guide "explosions" this time.
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-08 16:44:17
August 08 2014 16:43 GMT
#1722
The necrophos guide linked in your post actually leads to the medusa guide, and the sven guide in the top 5 list links to the leshrac guide (the sven guide in the notable growth section is fine)
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-08 16:47:57
August 08 2014 16:46 GMT
#1723
On August 09 2014 01:43 tehh4ck3r wrote:
The necrophos guide linked in your post actually leads to the medusa guide, and the sven guide in the top 5 list links to the leshrac guide (the sven guide in the notable growth section is fine)


Fixed, thanks! I will do a small summary round-up after I fix the front page.

On August 09 2014 01:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
Interesting no particular guide "explosions" this time.


I found it strange as well. Even Sven was a marginal growth when compared to others.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 08 2014 16:56 GMT
#1724
  • 12 Months to reach 10 million
  • 5 Months to reach 20 million
  • 3 Months to reach 30 million

  • Growth of Subscribers jumps past the 2 Million bar, a first since late June.
  • Average Growth Rate Percentage rises to a 8.10%, June was an all-time low at 7.32%

  • Lifestealer (Jungle) Guide maintains its highest rank at 971,897 subscribers (August 8th)
  • 9.85% of last month's unique players [9,487,970] are subscribed to the Lifestealer (Jungle) Guide
  • Necrophos hits 500,000 subscribers

  • Top 18 guides are approx. 400k subscribers or higher each (up to 900,000+ in a guide)
  • Top 43 guides are approx. 300k subscribers or higher each
  • Top 80 guides are approx. 200k subscribers or higher each
  • Top 110 guides are approx. 100k subscribers or higher each
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 10 2014 07:02 GMT
#1725
Wow, anyone realize that my Razor guide is for lane??

That's weird.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 10 2014 07:54 GMT
#1726
Razor
Changed Guide to Middle
Removed one Iron Branch
Removed Phase Boots
Added Treads to Core Items
Moved Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Moved Refresher's Orb to Extension Items
Removed Monkey King Bar
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BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-10 10:12:05
August 10 2014 10:10 GMT
#1727
Shadow Shaman Lane, wouldn't it be better to max Hex before Shackles? Its pretty rare to be able to get 5second shackles off. Hex is more reliable.
Romanes eunt domus
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
August 10 2014 14:15 GMT
#1728
On August 10 2014 19:10 BobMcJohnson wrote:
Shadow Shaman Lane, wouldn't it be better to max Hex before Shackles? Its pretty rare to be able to get 5second shackles off. Hex is more reliable.


i agree i often max hex over shackles but it can be good to max shackles especially if you have good synergy with someone else for example ursa/jugger/troll etc.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-10 15:41:45
August 10 2014 15:40 GMT
#1729
On August 10 2014 23:15 idonthinksobro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2014 19:10 BobMcJohnson wrote:
Shadow Shaman Lane, wouldn't it be better to max Hex before Shackles? Its pretty rare to be able to get 5second shackles off. Hex is more reliable.


i agree i often max hex over shackles but it can be good to max shackles especially if you have good synergy with someone else for example ursa/jugger/troll etc.

That warrants getting 2-3 ranks of Shackles, not maxing it. By the time you're level 9-10, most fights don't play out where you can channel Shackles that long regardless, and most of those synergies only come into play while you're still laning.

The prime motivation behind the extra 1-2 ranks of Shackles is that its mana cost scales less aggressively than Hex at rank 2. The higher ranks don't have this benefit, and by the time you are level 9-10, you will have Arcane Boots. Particularly since Blink costs no mana, the mana concern is less of a big deal at that point, so you usually want to start boosting Hex at/before then. You might be 4-1-2 or 4-1-3 then max Hex, but it's somewhat rare that you'd get to 4-1-4.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 12 2014 08:55 GMT
#1730
Razor
Changed Guide to Middle
Removed one Iron Branch
Removed Phase Boots
Added Treads to Core Items
Moved Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Moved Refresher's Orb to Extension Items
Removed Monkey King Bar
Removed Magic Wand
Added Bottle to Situational Items

Ursa (Jungle/Lane
New Skill Build (Jungle): E W E W Q R E W W Q (1. Fury Swipes 2. Overpower 3. Earthshock)
Added Boots of Speed
Moved Blink Dagger before Phase Boots
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JP Dayne
Profile Joined June 2013
538 Posts
August 12 2014 13:44 GMT
#1731
oh shit so you're the guy that shows up on my ingame builds
small world
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 12 2014 13:47 GMT
#1732
On August 12 2014 22:44 JP Dayne wrote:
oh shit so you're the guy that shows up on my ingame builds
small world


Small world, great community; welcome friend (:
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
August 13 2014 04:56 GMT
#1733
you should add a laning weaver build, since weaver mid isn't exactly common

(if you go through with that i would change the skill build from maxing swarm 2nd and geminate 3rd to maxing geminate 2nd and swarm 3rd)
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 13 2014 10:03 GMT
#1734
On August 13 2014 13:56 tehh4ck3r wrote:
you should add a laning weaver build, since weaver mid isn't exactly common

(if you go through with that i would change the skill build from maxing swarm 2nd and geminate 3rd to maxing geminate 2nd and swarm 3rd)


You're right, I will look into that today!
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-16 10:25:38
August 16 2014 10:23 GMT
#1735
There is no mid guide for kunkka which is the most common position for kunkka the guide for him is "lane". The existing guide has a weird skillbuild, x-mark gets skilled late and a lot of people don't max x-mark as 2 levels will set up an easy torrent combo and 3 set up an easy boat combo. There is very little benefit for the last point, there are some cute tricks such as x-mark yourself and tp to fountain to heal up and refill your bottle and stuff like that but for an average player that isn't used to kunkkas timings less levels are better.

instead of maxing torrent at 8 and 9 getting 2 points in x-mark seems more normal (some even play 1221), and later you maybe want to consider maxing stats instead of getting more x-mark.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 16 2014 12:05 GMT
#1736
On August 16 2014 19:23 idonthinksobro wrote:
There is no mid guide for kunkka which is the most common position for kunkka the guide for him is "lane". The existing guide has a weird skillbuild, x-mark gets skilled late and a lot of people don't max x-mark as 2 levels will set up an easy torrent combo and 3 set up an easy boat combo. There is very little benefit for the last point, there are some cute tricks such as x-mark yourself and tp to fountain to heal up and refill your bottle and stuff like that but for an average player that isn't used to kunkkas timings less levels are better.

instead of maxing torrent at 8 and 9 getting 2 points in x-mark seems more normal (some even play 1221), and later you maybe want to consider maxing stats instead of getting more x-mark.


How does the mid build differ and what about the items? I've noticed no one really goes SB any more
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 16 2014 12:18 GMT
#1737
I will do Weaver Lane and Mid Kunkka this weekend.
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
August 16 2014 12:36 GMT
#1738
kunkka is one of the few heros that can still get a shadowblade as the impact hit dmg is really good on him. I think you can't crit with the impact damage but it works on tidebringer if i remember correctly.
In mid you usually get something along the lines of bottle, phase, drums, (if shadowblade its around here), magic wand, crit, after that you get more crits or bkb or divine rapier, eventually heart if you die too fast.

There is also support kunkka, i think chuan played it in ti 4. As support kunkka you don't get any points in tidebringer, you level x, torrent and boat. http://www.datdota.com/skill_build_details.php?id=769290012&slot=9
GtC
Profile Joined August 2013
United States546 Posts
August 16 2014 17:58 GMT
#1739
Ever since the patch that stopped shadowblade backstab damage from critting in addition to all the other nerfs, shadowblade has been rather lackluster on kunkka. Blink is generally a better item now for the utility and the ability to x-mark yourself and be able to cleave the enemy team without giving them reaction time. Also, while newer players probably don't want to max x-mark, since the timings get thrown off, it's not particularly difficult to hold off on the boat for 1 second after casting x, while the additional range and 2 seconds of allied mark is really quite valuable.
The Turtle Moves
Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
August 16 2014 18:31 GMT
#1740
Why do the ability descriptions for Legion Commander Mid talk about jungling?
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