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On July 17 2014 01:08 Sn0_Man wrote: Yeah support tide maxes gush (4-1-1-1) on the logic that you don't have the farm/levels to stand in a fight and spam anchor smash, and you don't need the shell/smash combo that allows you to farm ancients/jungle so well because thats not ur job as support. And also support tide shouldn't exist. Unfortunately like i said earlier it's actually hard to get proper "offlane" with tide and in a lane with somebody else, 9 times outta ten ur ending up playing support tide anyway. Except in pubs now you can clear stacked ancients even from a duo-lane tide and sort of catch-up in levels. At least to the point of not being too squishy to get into a fight. So long as you have 4 anchor smash, 2 kraken shell, and some form of +hp, +armor, or +regen (Buckler being a great choice) you can clear double or triple ancient stacks pretty well (you may also need arcane boots or full mana). Which may still be beyond the target skill of the guides, I'm not really sure, but maybe it's worth considering some of the other builds/playstyles of Tide now that he's able to ancient farm and is way more durable with smash being a 60% dmg reduction. Even double stacks should get a Tide pretty good XP and you can just do that then immediately clear them. | ||
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Level ur useful ability and go use it if ur gonna be level and farm constrained like that. The point of offlane tide doing ancients is that he can usually stack them from the offlane and gets level 5 fast enough to clear them and get ahead. Doing it from a support perspective is just kinda too slow imo usually. And gimps u having good spells. | ||
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Tiny (Lane) Added new tab: Core - Ganker Added Blink Dagger to Ganker Added Aghanim's Scepter to Ganker Moved Assault Cuirass to Ganker Added Shiva's Guard to Ganker Removed Situational Items tab Tiny (Middle) Removed Heart of Tarrasque Added Treads to Core Items Added Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items Added Drums of Endurance to Core Items Added Yasha to Core Items Added Manta Style to Core Items I should have fixed this moons ago Dragon Knight Removed Mjollnir Added Shadow Blade to Situational Items Added Helm of the Dominator to Situational Items Leshrac Added Black King Bar to Core - Carry Ogre Magi Removed Rod of Atos Slardar Fixed Tabs to reflect "Core" Formatting (see Tiny/Ancient Apparition) Jakiro New Skill Build: E W E Q E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Liquid Fire 2. Ice Path 3. Dual Breath) Skywrath Mage (Middle) Moved Rod of Atos to Core Items Invoker New Skill Build: E R Q E Q E E Q Q W E E E R R W R W W W W W Q Q Q Added Necromonicon to Situational Items Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items To be verified: His item build is very fluid Treant Protector Moved Drums to Situational Items Added Blink Dagger to Core Items New Guide Lycan (Lane) Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q E W E R E W W R (1. Summon Wolves 2. Feral Impulse 3. Howl) Item Build: Starting Items: Stout Shield, Iron Branch, Tangos, Healing Salve Early Game: Ring of Basilius, Vladmir's Offering Core Items: Medallion of Courage, Power Treads, Black King Bar Situational Items: Necromonicon, Heaven's Halberd Extension Items: Skull Basher, Desolator, Assault Cuirass, Abyssal Blade New Guide Dragon Knight (Middle) Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Breathe Fire 2. Dragon Blood 3. Dragon Tail) Item Build: Starting Items: Stout Shield, Iron Branch x2, Tangos Early Game: Bottle, Boots of Speed Core Items: Treads, Black King Bar, Maelstrom Situational Items: Shadow Blade, Helm of the Dominator, Drums of Endurance, Armlet of Mordiggan Extension Items: Daedalus, Assault Cuirass, Heart of Tarrasque, Heaven's Halberd New Guide Skywrath Mage (Lane) Skill Build: W E Q Q Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Arcane Bolt 2. Ancient Seal 3. Concussive Shot) Starting Items: Courier/Wards, Iron Branch x3, Clarity x3, Tangos Early Game: Boots of Speed, Magic Wand Core Items: Arcane Boots, Force Staff, Rod of Atos Utility Items: Flying Courier, Observer Wards, Sentry Wards, Dust of Appearance, Gem of True Sight, Smoke of Deceit Situational Items: Urn of Shadows, Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Ghost Scepter Extension Items: Scythe of Vyse, Aghanim's Scepter, Shiva's Guard Draft Guide Techies (Lane) Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Land Mines 2. Stasis Trap 3. Suicide Squad, Attack!) Starting Items: 3x Iron Branches, 4 Clarities, TP Scroll, Tangos Early Game: Soul Ring, Boots, Wand Core Items: Arcane Boots, Force Staff, Aghanim's Scepter Situational Items: Urn of Shadows, Necromonicon, Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Ghost Scepter Extension Items: Scythe of Vyse, Shiva's Guard, | ||
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I really want to change the Heroes list to a more image-friendly/horizontal form as the list is pretty massive and a bit of an eye-sore. The Patchlist/update notes will be properly cataloged. I may even do statistical notes for the months before February (to October 13th) for consistency. But to be honest, now I'm just looking for work lol New Front Page image: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vSLdosC.jpg) | ||
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Moved Monkey King Bar to Situational Items Removed Yasha Added Basher to Core Items Removed Drums of Endurance Added Medallion of Courage to Situational Items Doom (Jungle) Added Tab: Core - Ganker Ganker Tab includes: Arcane Boots, Blink Dagger, Mekansm, Shiva's Guard and Scythe of Vyse. Faceless Void Moved Monkey King Bar to Situational Items Added Refresher's Orb to Extension Items Added Aghanim's Scepter to Situational Items Removed Healing Salve Moved Poor Man's Shield to Early Game Zeus Added Situational Items Tab Added Veil of Discord Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity Added Black King Bar to Situational Items Undying New Skill Build: Q E E W E R E Q Q Q W W W R (1. Tombstone 2. Decay 3. Soul Rip) Removed Hood of Defiance Added Blade Mail to Core Items Removed Rod of Atos Brewmaster New Skill Build: Q E Q E R Q E E W R W W W R (1. Thunder Clap 2. Drunken Brawler 3. Druken Haze) Removed Drums of Endurance Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items Removed Monkey King Bar Added Refresher's Orb to Extension Items Removed Heart of Tarrasque. Added Scythe of Vyse to Extension Items Treant Protector Added Iron Branch to Starting Items Removed Heart of Tarrasque Removed Drums of Endurance Removed Pipe of Insight Moved Mekansm to Situational Items Wraith King (Lane) Removed Soul Ring Added Medallion of Courage to Situational Items Moved Monkey King Bar to Situational Items Troll Warlord Added Situational Items Tab Moved Monkey King Bar to Situational items Clockwerk New Skill Build: E Q Q W Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Battery Assault 2. Rocket Flare 3. Power Cogs) Removed Hood of Defiance Death Prophet Removed Drums of Endurance Venomancer Moved Mekansm to Core Items Moved Urn of Shadows to Situational Items Nature's Prophet New Skill Build: E W E Q E R E W W W R Q Q Q (1. Nature's Call 2. Teleportation 3. Sprout) Axe (Lane) Removed Pipe of Insight Moved Hood of Defiance to Situational Items Axe (Jungle) Moved Urn of Shadows to Core Items Meepo Moved Eye of Skadi to Situational Items Sniper New Skill Build: E W E W W R W E E Q R Q Q Q (1. Headshot 2. Take Aim 3. Shrapnel) Added Mask of Madness to Situational Items Removed Powers Treads Added Phase Boots to Core Items Added Maelstrom to Core Items Added Sange & Yasha to Situational Items Added Satanic to Extension Items Added Butterfly to Extesnsion Items Added Mjollnir to Extension Items Drow Ranger Removed Helm of the Dominator Added Mask of Madness to Situational Items Centaur Warrunner Removed Hood of Defiance Added Black King Bar to Core Items Moved Heaven's Halberd to Core Items Phantom Lancer Moved Monkey King Bar to Situational Items Moved Manta Style to Extension Items Vengeful Spirit Added Heaven's Halberd to Situational Items Removed Pipe of Insight Removed Mekansm Lina Early Game: Iron Branch x3, Tangos and Clarity Removed Veil of Discord Mirana Changed Mirana to Lane version Moved Desolator to Situational Items Added Medallion to Situational Items Moved Drums of Endurance to Core Items Moved Maelstrom to Core Items Removed Bottle Moved Mjollnir to Extension Items Removed Daedalus Added Black King Bar to Extension Items Witch Doctor New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R W W W R E E E R (1. Paralyzing Cask 2. Voodoo Restoration 3. Maledict) Removed Eul's Scepter of Divinity Removed Mekansm Removed Necromonicon Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items Added Shiva's Guard to Extension Items Lich New Skill Build: E Q W Q Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Frost Blast 2. Sacrifice 3. Ice Armor) Beastmaster (Middle) Removed Pipe of Insight Removed Drums of Endurance Beastmaster (Lane) Removed Pipe of Insight Broodmother Removed Monkey King Bar Phoenix (Lane/Middle) Removed Veil of Discord Razor Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items Added Refresher Orb to Situational Items Lion New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Earth Spike 2. Mana Drain 3. Hex) Removed Arcane Boots Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items Sven New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q W W W R W E E (1. Storm Hammer 2. Great Cleave 3. Warcry) Visage Removed Arcane Boots Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items Removed Mekansm Added Medallion of Courage to Core Items Moved Rod of Atos to Core Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Viper Moved Drums of Endurance to Situational Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items Pugna Removed Veil of Discord Batrider Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Earth Spirit Moved Force Staff to Situational Items Added Blink Dagger to Core Items Removed Veil of Discord Added Blade Mail to Situational Items Added Heaven's Halberd to Situational Items Crystal Maiden Removed Mekansm Removed Pipe of Insight Added Bracer to Core Items Disruptor Removed Mekansm Removed Pipe of Insight Rubick Removed Urn of Shadows Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items Removed Mekansm All General Hero Descriptions, Items and Ability Descriptions have been updated to their fullest extent; 2500+ rewrites | ||
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About wraith king support - your answer is pretty much what i said earlier "not sure if anyone will play wraith king as a support". How are they supposed to know that they can play him as a support if your guide shows him exclusively as a hard carry? also i don't think that wraith king as a support requires much coordination at all, in fact if you get focused down and your ult procs your team can go ham. | ||
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On July 19 2014 23:16 idonthinksobro wrote: no brewmaster does not get early stats anymore, since the other abilites got buffed so much that they are now actually good you almost never want stats, mid brew gets bottle, sidelane brew gets arcanes. Drums and Aghs core is also questionable as this hero usually wants blink asap - often even skipping arcanes. About wraith king support - your answer is pretty much what i said earlier "not sure if anyone will play wraith king as a support". How are they supposed to know that they can play him as a support if your guide shows him exclusively as a hard carry? also i don't think that wraith king as a support requires much coordination at all, in fact if you get focused down and your ult procs your team can go ham. What's the point of getting stats 8 as most pros do that before getting the slow. I was playing Brew recently and I agree on the needlessness of Drums for him, especially if he goes Arcane. So I will switch that and get two points in E instead of stats early. I don't have a mid Brewmaster guide, do you think that's really needed? As for Wraith King Support; what is the full skill build for that and I can make it a separate tab as I did for PA. | ||
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as for wraith king support you max stun first, lifesteal second, some players even get stats over the crit. You are basically a very tanky support that can jungle in downtimes with a stun and a strong teamfight ulti. For items you get a blink and then either utility with stuff like hh / blademail etc. or transition into a core if the game goes late. | ||
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On July 19 2014 23:40 idonthinksobro wrote: the only difference for mid brew is the bottle pretty much. as for wraith king support you max stun first, lifesteal second, some players even get stats over the crit. You are basically a very tanky support that can jungle in downtimes with a stun and a strong teamfight ulti. For items you get a blink and then either utility with stuff like hh / blademail etc. or transition into a core if the game goes late. We'll skip mid Brewmaster then; as it doesn't sound too different or imperative. Mid Disruptor though, is that still played? Brewmaster has been changed fyi. Should I make a separate guide for "Jungle" Wraith King? I've seen him play in the stream and he's not necessarily a "jungler" but just there to avoid taking exp. So it can go either way. I'm seeing Medallion, Urn even Maelstrom on him. The order and item selection doesn't seem clear: Q - W max with E Boots -> Blink -> Wand -> Treads -> Medallion, Urn ?? | ||
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I'm sorry for being so lazy right now it is just way too hot to think. | ||
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On July 19 2014 23:58 idonthinksobro wrote: medaillon, urn, maelstrom are all good items on him, special emphasis on having a magic stick / wand to have enough mana for your ult. He shouldn't sit in jungle doing nothing tho, think of him rather as a roamer like a venge. Blink first seems hard to farm if you don't want to sit idle forever, get urn or treads first. Let me try and fix him now; I won't do a separate guide; it'll be a separate tab. | ||
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Feels good to relieve my laundry list finally; but it was way too time-consuming. I forgot I have to change his abilities. It needs to be a separate guide unfortunately. To-do Guides:
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Level 1 armor is a really good skill but going 4-1-1-1 at level 7 essentially gives up lich's defining early-game advantage (sacrifice abuse for infinite nukes and a substantial experience advantage). For a cookie cutter build I still would recommend something like e/q/e/q/q/r/q/w/e/e/r, possibly giving up a point in nuke for the early armor level depending on how badly you need the armor. I feel like at least 2 points in sacrifice asap are non-negotiable (even 3 might be right at 5) but that you have to kinda make the judgement call between damage (frost blast) and defense (one level of armor) based on your lane. Don't forget that lich's mana costs are built around sacrifice. PS your guide description makes no sense Lich is a staple support hero that works great with any team. In addition to his nuke ability Sacrifice, Lich maintains his strength in his Chain Frost ultimate that can really tear down a team and slow them long enough for your carry to sweep them. Make sure to use ice armor at any chance you get given its low cooldown and cost. Ice Armor is an incredible ability that can relent pushes due to it being able to be casted on towers as well as causing slowness to enemies who focus heroes with the buff casted. Basically you called his nuke the wrong name and didn't really emphasize HIS BEST ABILITY sacrifice which both gives you all the mana you need and steals the enemies experience. Something closer to Lich is a staple (stable?) support hero that works great with any team. In addition to his (high-damage/low cooldown/spammable) nuke Frost Blast, Lich maintains his strength through the midgame with his Chain Frost ultimate that bounces between grouped enemies dealing excellent damage and offering a powerful slow. His third skill Sacrifice not only solves all your mana needs, it also steals the experience from creeps that you use it on. ALWAYS use it whenever it is off cooldown for the free experience and to deny your enemies, even if you don't need the mana. Remember to keep Ice Armor on yourself, your teammates and your towers whenever there is a risk of them being attacked if that fits. Honestly as I've said, Lich's biggest strength is sacrifice. Even if you specify to always spam sacrifice in the skill description, I don't think people read those very often tbh. Anyway, thats my 2c, the guides are urs. | ||
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I'll fix it now, thanks for your feedback. The guide was revised in view of the popular meta of pushing early-game (around 6), so I will fix it. Please take a look at my other changes as I have done a lot in the past weeks with little confirmation on its validity. edit | ||
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