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Laserist
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On July 16 2014 23:39 Laserist wrote: What about offlane furion It's being debated if it really is any different than Jungle or worthwhile to convey any differences between the two. The current NP guide is pretty chock full of items and can be a bit... intimidating so to speak. Most public players are aware of Nature's Prophet getting priority of the jungle. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Furion's actually a slow-ass jungler compared to good ones or a decent performance in the offlane. However, his ability to contribute to any lane from the jungle is what makes it reasonable. | ||
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idonthinksobro
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On July 16 2014 23:45 Sn0_Man wrote: Yeah the itemization, levelling and general game progression are admittedly all fairly similar. Furion's actually a slow-ass jungler compared to good ones or a decent performance in the offlane. However, his ability to contribute to any lane from the jungle is what makes it reasonable. well you can build almost everything on furion... | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Lifestealer still have over 935,000 subscriptions but isn't nearly as highly rated as Ogre Magi. http://steamcommunity.com/app/570/guides/?searchText=&browsefilter=toprated&browsesort=creationorder&requiredtags[]=-1&requiredtags[]=Hero Build#scrollTop=0 The 3 guides above Ogre Magi are guides made before the Hero Build system, so they are not in-game. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
 "Use force staff to get in RAGE of ur spells" Euls has something about "Disabile" You also describe ogre as "a bit frail" in the mek section which is dumb cuz he's tanky as hell for an int hero. Atos is le terrible you have a stun and a slow you really don't need an atos slow. Plus your HP is fine without the vit booster and you'd much rather mana regen than just flat int since right clicking is useless. Also your description on aghs makes it sound like it gives you a better chance to multicast (it doesn't). All it gives is an extra stun (which admittedly can multicast). There there's some comments on ur (impressively highly rated) guide. I see kotl is up there too. | ||
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Torte de Lini
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On July 17 2014 00:27 Sn0_Man wrote: Aight u need to proofread ur guides "Use force staff to get in RAGE of ur spells" Euls has something about "Disabile" You also describe ogre as "a bit frail" in the mek section which is dumb cuz he's tanky as hell for an int hero. Atos is le terrible you have a stun and a slow you really don't need an atos slow. Plus your HP is fine without the vit booster and you'd much rather mana regen than just flat int since right clicking is useless. Also your description on aghs makes it sound like it gives you a better chance to multicast (it doesn't). All it gives is an extra stun (which admittedly can multicast). There there's some comments on ur (impressively highly rated) guide. I see kotl is up there too. I removed Rod of Atos, but I kind of liked it. Why does that extra stun cost 400 mana? The descriptions for all the items and guides are quite outdated; it's something I've been putting off because I feel they aren't appreciated to be worth the huge time. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
It used to cost 400 mana but then nobody used it. | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
edit: ok people rush on Ogre, I mean furion | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
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Germany38463 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On July 17 2014 00:58 Logo wrote: While I think this is a good idea, offlane tends to be a nebulous idea in low-tier pubs to the point where torte prefers just "mid", "lane" and "jungle" designations. Heading to the offlane with a tide is just asking for somebody to grab (insert generic melee carry here) and follow u there expecting to be babysat. Or at least, it is at the level where these guides are most useful. Maybe a Tidehunter offlane since the build is pretty different (early levels in Kraken instead of Gush, boots usually, etc.) | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 17 2014 00:58 Logo wrote: Maybe a Tidehunter offlane since the build is pretty different (early levels in Kraken instead of Gush, boots usually, etc.) 'Doesn't it still play overall the same? 1 Gush, max Anchor Smash and Kraken Shell to Jungle/Ancients? On July 17 2014 01:01 Sn0_Man wrote: While I think this is a good idea, offlane tends to be a nebulous idea in low-tier pubs to the point where torte prefers just "mid", "lane" and "jungle" designations. Heading to the offlane with a tide is just asking for somebody to grab (insert generic melee carry here) and follow u there expecting to be babysat. Or at least, it is at the level where these guides are most useful. Correct as it makes things more simple and avoids redundancies/smaller details that are not as essential as they are when you completely grasp the game and all of its nuances. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Wish there was a way to catalog the list better in that it doesn't feel like a giant scroll-down. Yes, I have too much time on my birthday and nothing else to do. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Happy birthday Mr Cohen. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 17 2014 01:06 ahswtini wrote: Surely offlane tide is skilled differently to support tide? Are the items different/are you still maxing Anchor Smash and getting Kraken Shell? On July 17 2014 01:06 Sn0_Man wrote: wat today's ur bday? dude likkiddota pls :| Happy birthday Mr Cohen. thank you | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On July 17 2014 01:06 ahswtini wrote: Surely offlane tide is skilled differently to support tide? Yeah support tide maxes gush (4-1-1-1) on the logic that you don't have the farm/levels to stand in a fight and spam anchor smash, and you don't need the shell/smash combo that allows you to farm ancients/jungle so well because thats not ur job as support. And also support tide shouldn't exist. Unfortunately like i said earlier it's actually hard to get proper "offlane" with tide and in a lane with somebody else, 9 times outta ten ur ending up playing support tide anyway. | ||
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ahswtini
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