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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
July 16 2014 14:39 GMT
#1641
What about offlane furion
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 16 2014 14:42 GMT
#1642
On July 16 2014 23:39 Laserist wrote:
What about offlane furion


It's being debated if it really is any different than Jungle or worthwhile to convey any differences between the two. The current NP guide is pretty chock full of items and can be a bit... intimidating so to speak.

Most public players are aware of Nature's Prophet getting priority of the jungle.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 16 2014 14:45 GMT
#1643
Yeah the itemization, levelling and general game progression are admittedly all fairly similar.

Furion's actually a slow-ass jungler compared to good ones or a decent performance in the offlane. However, his ability to contribute to any lane from the jungle is what makes it reasonable.
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-16 15:11:48
July 16 2014 15:10 GMT
#1644
On July 16 2014 23:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yeah the itemization, levelling and general game progression are admittedly all fairly similar.

Furion's actually a slow-ass jungler compared to good ones or a decent performance in the offlane. However, his ability to contribute to any lane from the jungle is what makes it reasonable.


well you can build almost everything on furion...
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-16 15:21:21
July 16 2014 15:20 GMT
#1645
Ogre Magi is currently the highest rated Dota 2 Hero Build in the entire database with over 110,000 ratings.

Lifestealer still have over 935,000 subscriptions but isn't nearly as highly rated as Ogre Magi.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/570/guides/?searchText=&browsefilter=toprated&browsesort=creationorder&requiredtags[]=-1&requiredtags[]=Hero Build#scrollTop=0

The 3 guides above Ogre Magi are guides made before the Hero Build system, so they are not in-game.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 16 2014 15:27 GMT
#1646
Aight u need to proofread ur guides

"Use force staff to get in RAGE of ur spells"
Euls has something about "Disabile"

You also describe ogre as "a bit frail" in the mek section which is dumb cuz he's tanky as hell for an int hero.

Atos is le terrible you have a stun and a slow you really don't need an atos slow. Plus your HP is fine without the vit booster and you'd much rather mana regen than just flat int since right clicking is useless.

Also your description on aghs makes it sound like it gives you a better chance to multicast (it doesn't). All it gives is an extra stun (which admittedly can multicast).

There there's some comments on ur (impressively highly rated) guide. I see kotl is up there too.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-16 15:33:26
July 16 2014 15:32 GMT
#1647
On July 17 2014 00:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
Aight u need to proofread ur guides

"Use force staff to get in RAGE of ur spells"
Euls has something about "Disabile"

You also describe ogre as "a bit frail" in the mek section which is dumb cuz he's tanky as hell for an int hero.

Atos is le terrible you have a stun and a slow you really don't need an atos slow. Plus your HP is fine without the vit booster and you'd much rather mana regen than just flat int since right clicking is useless.

Also your description on aghs makes it sound like it gives you a better chance to multicast (it doesn't). All it gives is an extra stun (which admittedly can multicast).

There there's some comments on ur (impressively highly rated) guide. I see kotl is up there too.


I removed Rod of Atos, but I kind of liked it.

Why does that extra stun cost 400 mana?

The descriptions for all the items and guides are quite outdated; it's something I've been putting off because I feel they aren't appreciated to be worth the huge time.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-16 15:35:13
July 16 2014 15:34 GMT
#1648
The extra stun costs 60% of whatever ur current mana is (the displayed cost doesn't really update correctly unfortunately). So you can ALWAYS cast it but its gonna rape ur mana pool if u use it first.

It used to cost 400 mana but then nobody used it.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 16 2014 15:40 GMT
#1649
Also, please note that ratings for new guides help the guides get into the game; so all thumbs up (or down) are appreciated.
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-16 15:54:47
July 16 2014 15:53 GMT
#1650
Yeah items probably as diverse as before but only noticeable difference is phase boots first rather than casual midas.

edit: ok people rush on Ogre, I mean furion
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Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
July 16 2014 15:58 GMT
#1651
Maybe a Tidehunter offlane since the build is pretty different (early levels in Kraken instead of Gush, boots usually, etc.)
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-16 16:01:44
July 16 2014 16:01 GMT
#1652
edit
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 16 2014 16:01 GMT
#1653
On July 17 2014 00:58 Logo wrote:
Maybe a Tidehunter offlane since the build is pretty different (early levels in Kraken instead of Gush, boots usually, etc.)
While I think this is a good idea, offlane tends to be a nebulous idea in low-tier pubs to the point where torte prefers just "mid", "lane" and "jungle" designations. Heading to the offlane with a tide is just asking for somebody to grab (insert generic melee carry here) and follow u there expecting to be babysat. Or at least, it is at the level where these guides are most useful.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 16 2014 16:03 GMT
#1654
On July 17 2014 00:58 Logo wrote:
Maybe a Tidehunter offlane since the build is pretty different (early levels in Kraken instead of Gush, boots usually, etc.)


'Doesn't it still play overall the same? 1 Gush, max Anchor Smash and Kraken Shell to Jungle/Ancients?

On July 17 2014 01:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
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On July 17 2014 00:58 Logo wrote:
Maybe a Tidehunter offlane since the build is pretty different (early levels in Kraken instead of Gush, boots usually, etc.)
While I think this is a good idea, offlane tends to be a nebulous idea in low-tier pubs to the point where torte prefers just "mid", "lane" and "jungle" designations. Heading to the offlane with a tide is just asking for somebody to grab (insert generic melee carry here) and follow u there expecting to be babysat. Or at least, it is at the level where these guides are most useful.


Correct as it makes things more simple and avoids redundancies/smaller details that are not as essential as they are when you completely grasp the game and all of its nuances.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-16 16:06:04
July 16 2014 16:04 GMT
#1655
I will be updating the front page with an Statistics page and small achievements (most rated, checkpoint on reaching x subscribers, etc.). I'm also going to go through all the pages to update the Update Log section with past notes that I never got to actually catalog.

Wish there was a way to catalog the list better in that it doesn't feel like a giant scroll-down.

Yes, I have too much time on my birthday and nothing else to do.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 16 2014 16:06 GMT
#1656
wat today's ur bday? dude likkiddota pls :|

Happy birthday Mr Cohen.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 16 2014 16:06 GMT
#1657
Surely offlane tide is skilled differently to support tide?
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-16 16:07:52
July 16 2014 16:07 GMT
#1658
On July 17 2014 01:06 ahswtini wrote:
Surely offlane tide is skilled differently to support tide?


Are the items different/are you still maxing Anchor Smash and getting Kraken Shell?

On July 17 2014 01:06 Sn0_Man wrote:
wat today's ur bday? dude likkiddota pls :|

Happy birthday Mr Cohen.


thank you
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-16 16:09:34
July 16 2014 16:08 GMT
#1659
On July 17 2014 01:06 ahswtini wrote:
Surely offlane tide is skilled differently to support tide?

Yeah support tide maxes gush (4-1-1-1) on the logic that you don't have the farm/levels to stand in a fight and spam anchor smash, and you don't need the shell/smash combo that allows you to farm ancients/jungle so well because thats not ur job as support. And also support tide shouldn't exist. Unfortunately like i said earlier it's actually hard to get proper "offlane" with tide and in a lane with somebody else, 9 times outta ten ur ending up playing support tide anyway.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 16 2014 16:10 GMT
#1660
Items-wise support tide is much the same, you still want to go arcanes, but mek is likely out of the question. Maybe get an urn if nobody else is, and then blink.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
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