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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 11 2014 14:58 GMT
#1581
I still carry hard as Doom, so I don't know.

I need to rearrange the entire guide to reflect both the carry Doom build which is a preference to how some people play and this new Doom which goes: Tranq -> Blink -> Meka -> Shiva's -> Refresher. (with BKB as Situational)
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-12 01:35:13
July 11 2014 14:58 GMT
#1582
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 11 2014 15:03 GMT
#1583
Tranq->blink is fine but u can't go mek after that as you don't have the mana to cast all ur spells in a fight really and getting mek after blink is just delaying ur mek a ton for limited reason imo. In really specific games it's fine but most of the logic behind doom mek is "u get it hella fast even with limited farm priority and he likes the armor".

Phase/Midas/Blink/Shivas/(refresher/bkb) doom carries fine even if ur not building right click items. They can't run from shivas when u have scorched earth on, they are doomed, and u just hit them. Plus u have a blink for swag. Plus refreshing BKB feels amazing.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-11 15:23:15
July 11 2014 15:23 GMT
#1584
On July 12 2014 00:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
Tranq->blink is fine but u can't go mek after that as you don't have the mana to cast all ur spells in a fight really and getting mek after blink is just delaying ur mek a ton for limited reason imo. In really specific games it's fine but most of the logic behind doom mek is "u get it hella fast even with limited farm priority and he likes the armor".

Phase/Midas/Blink/Shivas/(refresher/bkb) doom carries fine even if ur not building right click items. They can't run from shivas when u have scorched earth on, they are doomed, and u just hit them. Plus u have a blink for swag. Plus refreshing BKB feels amazing.


I think I'll just need to redo their entire item builds. There's no way for me to keep the current carry build and incorporate the new one.

Can you help with the Elder Titan?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-11 15:32:02
July 11 2014 15:31 GMT
#1585
I sux at ET and he's a bad hero anyway. I don't think you want drums though, and while BKB is "good" it isn't core at all considering the range you can cast spells from etc.

I think mek is very good tho, should stay.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 11 2014 15:33 GMT
#1586
I just remade Doom, check it out:

Doom (Lane)

Doom (Jungle)
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 11 2014 15:37 GMT
#1587
One thing I will say is that as a lane-farmer with a midas, shadowblade kinda synergizes with the "be a ganking threat" at least as well as blink in pubs. You tax their supports, sometimes get away when you really shouldn't, and it helps you right click late game. Basically its really strong in pubs IMO, and deserves honorable mention somewhere as a blink alternative.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 11 2014 15:43 GMT
#1588
On July 12 2014 00:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
One thing I will say is that as a lane-farmer with a midas, shadowblade kinda synergizes with the "be a ganking threat" at least as well as blink in pubs. You tax their supports, sometimes get away when you really shouldn't, and it helps you right click late game. Basically its really strong in pubs IMO, and deserves honorable mention somewhere as a blink alternative.


It was in the old build ): I liked it a lot albeit being a bit gimpy.

With how the build is going, it may be too mana taxing to have it. I know when I used it in the old build, I had no mana after every fight.
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
July 11 2014 15:45 GMT
#1589
On July 12 2014 00:31 Sn0_Man wrote:
I sux at ET and he's a bad hero anyway. I don't think you want drums though, and while BKB is "good" it isn't core at all considering the range you can cast spells from etc.

I think mek is very good tho, should stay.


I disagree with some points. This hero uses immense mana and his mana pool is not great. If you go mek, you have to build arcanes which is a lot of gp considering playing in offlane or supportish. You can do it in mid but, you'd like to have phase boots in mid generally.

It is easier to build up a drum maybe after brown b + soul ring in hard lane. Even after the nerfs, drum gives a good edge in early to mid game presence.

Yes, ET cast spells from range but you'd like to enter the fight and hit hard after collecting 2-3 hero worth spirit damage which is probably took like 3-5 seconds after the team fight begins(send spirit, collect damage, stun, ulti and dive). Consider 1-2 extra seconds for you to go melee range and add a 8-10 seconds bkb to that, you are practically invulnerable at that mid game fights. let alone bkb lets you hit 3-4 more hits and you hit really hard at that point. I'd consider bkb as core as 3rd item if you want to fight.
ET is really good, not top tier for sure but calling bad hero is not right. He needs his nerfs reverted back.



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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-11 15:47:31
July 11 2014 15:47 GMT
#1590
On July 12 2014 00:45 Laserist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 00:31 Sn0_Man wrote:
I sux at ET and he's a bad hero anyway. I don't think you want drums though, and while BKB is "good" it isn't core at all considering the range you can cast spells from etc.

I think mek is very good tho, should stay.


I disagree with some points. This hero uses immense mana and his mana pool is not great. If you go mek, you have to build arcanes which is a lot of gp considering playing in offlane or supportish. You can do it in mid but, you'd like to have phase boots in mid generally.

It is easier to build up a drum maybe after brown b + soul ring in hard lane. Even after the nerfs, drum gives a good edge in early to mid game presence.

Yes, ET cast spells from range but you'd like to enter the fight and hit hard after collecting 2-3 hero worth spirit damage which is probably took like 3-5 seconds after the team fight begins(send spirit, collect damage, stun, ulti and dive). Consider 1-2 extra seconds for you to go melee range and add a 8-10 seconds bkb to that, you are practically invulnerable at that mid game fights. let alone bkb lets you hit 3-4 more hits and you hit really hard at that point. I'd consider bkb as core as 3rd item if you want to fight.
ET is really good, not top tier for sure but calling bad hero is not right. He needs his nerfs reverted back.


http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=261777247

Lane Version seems to be what you are looking for.

The Mid Guide is straight Phase, Drums, BKB into AC or other extension items
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-11 15:56:03
July 11 2014 15:52 GMT
#1591
Although I disagree with tranquils it is a very solid build. Tranquils is justified if you plan to spam spirit and stay within xp range. Otherwise mana boots or phase puts more pressure imo.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 11 2014 15:53 GMT
#1592
On July 12 2014 00:52 Laserist wrote:
Although I disagree with tranquils it is a very solid build. Tranquils is justified if you plan to spam spirit and stay within xp range. Otherwise mana boots are phase puts more pressure imo.


Arcane and Soul Ring? That doesn't seem right. Tranquil's + Soul Ring and the overall speed + extra armor is nice.
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
July 11 2014 16:00 GMT
#1593
Not together, arcane is a better investment for the team and the hero and ofc without soul. I tried every possible boots except tranquils before, need to wait for cd wears off and missing last hits, things are I don't like.
Against a dual lane I feel I can apply pressure and secure last hits, tranquils pushed me to the opposite.
For competitive it may be better but, in pubs there is always room to do something in hard lane. Instead of spamming off screen.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Rayeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States883 Posts
July 11 2014 17:47 GMT
#1594
So I'm going to bring it up since I find myself doing it every time these days, but what about the Blink on Wraith King?

The Blink King has started to become a thing now. I don't really know if we should change the default guide or create a new one with a support King. I am ending up getting Blink on WK even when I'm carrying, but I think support WK is enough of a thing that maybe we could make a new guide.

IMO the support guide would not max E 2nd and instead go Q Stats Q W Q R Q W etc and leave E till last.
This would allow you to jungle a bit as the support and then we can go ahead and put Blink in the core items where it belongs. I would still get treads as the support as tread switching and magic wand are so very important for mana to use the ult/stun. As for the rest of the items, you generally don't end up getting many more items as you either lose the game or win before you can get Armlet/BKB/Mjollnir/AC
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 11 2014 17:52 GMT
#1595
On July 12 2014 02:47 Rayeth wrote:
So I'm going to bring it up since I find myself doing it every time these days, but what about the Blink on Wraith King?

The Blink King has started to become a thing now. I don't really know if we should change the default guide or create a new one with a support King. I am ending up getting Blink on WK even when I'm carrying, but I think support WK is enough of a thing that maybe we could make a new guide.

IMO the support guide would not max E 2nd and instead go Q Stats Q W Q R Q W etc and leave E till last.
This would allow you to jungle a bit as the support and then we can go ahead and put Blink in the core items where it belongs. I would still get treads as the support as tread switching and magic wand are so very important for mana to use the ult/stun. As for the rest of the items, you generally don't end up getting many more items as you either lose the game or win before you can get Armlet/BKB/Mjollnir/AC


The thing with blink right now is that it is overused. I think it is recommended on nearly the majority of the heroes because now it costs no mana. I'm waiting til after TI4 to see if IceFrog will change (which he should) or not.

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Rayeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States883 Posts
July 11 2014 18:25 GMT
#1596
On July 12 2014 02:52 Torte de Lini wrote:

The thing with blink right now is that it is overused. I think it is recommended on nearly the majority of the heroes because now it costs no mana. I'm waiting til after TI4 to see if IceFrog will change (which he should) or not.



The old blink mana cost was what 75? What if they lowered it to like 15 or 20? It would still probably be used on a ton more heroes than before, but not everyone (def not a mana starved hero like WK).

Alright, I can live with that decision. I was just wondering why no one had said anything about Blink on him yet.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 11 2014 18:28 GMT
#1597
Even with a mana cost, the item would still be worth consideration. The hero definitely needs an engagement item like either Blink or Lothar's, and Lothar's is unattractive most of the time.
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Rayeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States883 Posts
July 11 2014 18:33 GMT
#1598
Maybe just drop Blink into situational items for WK. If you have another good initiator on your team then you won't need it, if not might as well jump in and use that slow after you get blown up.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 11 2014 18:46 GMT
#1599
I think you always need blink on WK. He has not natural speed boost and getting shit done with him is a pill without that movement.
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-11 22:16:46
July 11 2014 22:16 GMT
#1600
Blink has a place but not a go to build for players that need guides to play a hero. For WK ofc
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