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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
July 01 2014 14:52 GMT
#1561
Basically ideally you'd want someone else to get the Mek.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 01 2014 15:08 GMT
#1562
Mek on a support AA is too slow to be impactful.

TBH the singular "lane" designation rather than "support" "off-lane" and "carry" is somewhat irksome because now you have no way to distinguish AA as a dual offlane farmer vs. as a safe lane support.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 03 2014 10:23 GMT
#1563
On July 02 2014 00:08 TheYango wrote:
Mek on a support AA is too slow to be impactful.

TBH the singular "lane" designation rather than "support" "off-lane" and "carry" is somewhat irksome because now you have no way to distinguish AA as a dual offlane farmer vs. as a safe lane support.


In most games, if you're dual laning, you will probably not get the farm in the games usually played (unless youre a premade team)
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 03 2014 10:25 GMT
#1564
+ Show Spoiler +
Conclusion:

  • Abaddon: Frostmourne early point build will change. Drums will be removed.
  • Ancient Apparition: Core Item - Aghanim's Scepter to be considered, need suggestions on sequence of items it would need
  • Anti-Mage: Unchanged
  • Axe (Lane): 4-1-4 (Max Counter-Helix first) will change
  • Beastmaster: Unchanged
  • Dragon Knight: Consider Maelstrom removed or moved to Situational
  • Bane: Unchanged
  • Clinkz: Consider maxing Wind Walk
  • Dark Seer: Arcane Boots to Extension Items (Boots of Speed to Core), 2x Surge before 6?
  • Puck: Change Phase Shift to First Skill (remnants of getting an escape as your first ability)
  • Death Prophet: Phase Boots added, Drums removed
  • Disruptor: Unchanged
  • Earthshaker: Second Lvl of Fissure at lvl 3
  • Elder Titan: To be revised
  • Ember Spirit: To be revised
  • Enigma: Fix starting items, Mekansm core.
  • Facelss Void: Max Bash instead of backtrack level 7
  • Huskar: reverse max order (spears before blood, no early inner-vitality)
  • Invoker: To be revised
  • IO: To be revised
  • Juggernaut: Unchanged
  • Kunkka: To be discussed
  • Lich: Unchanged
  • Naix: Unchanged
  • Doom: Change LvlDeath to Scorched Earth + 1 Lvldeath before 6.
  • Lion: remove Mek
  • Lone Druid (Jungle): Consider delaying ulti for more synergy, keep raidance as core, to consider.
  • Lycan: Unchanged
  • Medusa: To be revised


Skywrath Mage
Removed Veil of Discord

Abaddon
New Skill Build: W Q W Q W R W Q Q E R E E E (1. Aphotic Shield 2. Mist Coil 3. Frostmourne)
Removed Drums of Endurance

Axe (Lane)
New Skill Build: E Q E W E R E Q Q Q R W W W (1. Counter-Helix 2. Berserker's Call 3. Battle Hunger)
Removed Arcane Boots
Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items

Dragon Knight
Removed Hood of Defiance
Moved Mjollnir to Situational Items
Moved Assault Cuirass to Extension Items
Removed Monkey King Bar

Clinkz
New Skill Build: W E W E W R W Q E E R Q Q Q (1. Searing Arrows 2. Wind Walk 3. Strafe)

Dark Seer
New Skill Build: W E W E W Q W Q Q R R Q E E R (1. Ion Shell 2. Vacuum 3. Surge)
Moved Arcane Boots to Extension Items

Puck
New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Illusory Orb 2. Waning Rift 3. Phase Shift)
Removed Wand

Death Prophet
Removed Arcane Boots
Added Phase Boots
Should Drums of Endurance really be removed? I enjoy the speed boost, aura it gives and extra HP

Earthshaker
New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q W E E R W W W (1. Fissue 2. Aftershock 3. Enchant Totem)
Added 4x Clarities

Enigma
Removed Sobi Mask
Added 3x Clarities
Moved Mekansm to Core Items

Faceless Void
New Skill Build: Q W E Q E R E E W Q R Q W W R (1. Time Lock 2. Backtrack 3. Time Walk)

Huskar
New Skill Build: W E W E W R W E E Q R Q Q Q (1. Burning Spear 2. Berserker's Blood 3. Inner Vitality

Doom (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Devour 2. Scorched Earth 3. LVL? Death)
Removed Monkey King Bar
Added Refresher Orb to Extension Items 2
Moved Radiance to Extension Items 1
Moved Abyssal Blade to Situational Items
Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
Changed tabs to Extension Disable/Damage

Doom (Jungle)
Removed Drums of Endurance
Added Refresher Orb to Extension Items 2
Moved Radiance to Extension Items 1
Moved Abyssal Blade to Situational Items
Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
Changed tabs to Extension Disable/Damage

Lone Druid (Jungle)
New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q E Q E R W R W W W (1. Summon Spirit Bear 2. Synergy 3. Rabid)

IO
Removed Drums of Endurance
Soul Ring added to Situational Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items

Medusa
New Skill Build: W E W Q W R W Q Q Q R E E E (1. Mystic Snake 2. Split Shot 3. Mana Shield)
Added Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Added Yasha to Core Items
Added Black King Bar to Situational Items
Added Satanic to Situational Items

Gyrocopter
Moved Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items
Moved Ring of Aquila to Early Game
Added Helm of the Dominator to Core Items
Removed Yasha

Dazzle
New Skill Build: Q E W Q Q R Q E E E R W W W (1. Poison Touch 2. Shadow Wave 3. Shallow Grave)

Ogre Magi
Removed Orb of Venom (Had to remove an item so the guide fits in-game)

Ancient Apparition (Lane)
Added New Tab: Aghanim's Core build
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Aghanim's Core Build
Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Aghanim's Core Build
Removed Mekansm
Removed Ghost Scepter

Ancient Apparition (Middle)
Added New Tab: Aghanim's Core build
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Aghanim's Core Build
Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Aghanim's Core Build
Removed Mekansm

Nature's Prophet
Removed Aghanim's Scepter
Changed "Damage-Dealer" tab to "Pusher"
Removed Situational Items Tab
Removed Drums of Endurance
Added Black King Bar to all Tabs
Removed Heaven's Halberd
Removed Eul's Scepter of Divinity

Alchemist
Removed Utility Tab
Changed Situational Tab to Extension Items
Removed Monkey King Bar

  • Review Elder Titan (Lane/Middle?)
  • Review Ember Spirit (Lane/Middle?)

To-do Guides:
  • Lycan (Lane)
  • Skywrath Mage (Lane)
  • Naga (Support - similar to how Alchemist is done)
  • Invoker (Middle)
  • Dragon Knight (Middle)
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 03 2014 10:29 GMT
#1565
The newest changes are for Alchemist and Nature's Prophets whose guides were a bit of a clusterfuck and didn't load the page because there were too many items on there. Nature's Prophet seems a bit overbearing at the moment as well (Alchemist isn't that bad).

I have a lot more free time now (lol), so I will probably do the easy guides like Invoker remake and Dragon Knight mid.

I'll need to figure out Skywrath Lane and Lycan Lane sometime

Stats will come today/tomorrow.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-16 17:13:29
July 04 2014 15:56 GMT
#1566
+ Show Spoiler [Feb 4] +
After ~15 days (Jan. 17 to Feb. 4), we have risen from 7,154,041 to 8,708,486 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,554,445

Average growth of subscribers is 77,066.25 from 65,036.74


Top 10 least popular guides (top being the least popular):
  • Dazzle
  • Faceless Void (recently updated)
  • Lion (recently updated)
  • Phantom Lancer
  • Juggernaut (recently updated)
  • Meepo (needs verification)
  • Tiny [Middle]
  • Invoker (sorely outdated)
  • Ember Spirit
  • Legion Commander [Lane]


Top 10 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage (needs verification)
  • Leshrac
  • Bane
  • Ursa
  • Medusa
  • Venomancer (needs verification)
  • Ancient Apparition
  • Broodmother (recently updated)
+ Show Spoiler [Feb 22] +
After ~15 days (Feb. 5 to Feb. 22), we have risen from 8,708,486 to 10,197,41 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,488,955
Average growth of subscribers is 90,242.84 from 77,066.25


Top 10 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Lone Druid [Jungle]
  • Slark [Middle]
  • Meepo
  • Faceless Void
  • Dazzle
  • Juggernaut
  • Phantom Lancer
  • Tiny [Middle]
  • Invoker
  • Legion Commander [Lane]


Top 10 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Bane
  • Ursa
  • Medusa
  • Venomancer
  • Pugna
  • Broodmother


It has officially been 1 year since the guide system release (and when I started this project)!
+ Show Spoiler [Mar 10] +
After ~15 days (Feb. 22 to Mar. 10), we have risen from 10,197,451 to 11,694,519 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,496,978
Average growth of subscribers is 99,953.15 from 90,242.93


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Juggernaut (1,219)
  • Phantom Lancer (1,058)
  • Tiny (Middle) (910)
  • Invoker (762)
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (510)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Meepo (1,164 -> 28,208)
  • Ember Spirit (2,358 -> 12,039)
  • Spirit Breaker (4,981 -> 16,666)
  • Pudge (5,900 -> 13,496)
  • Lina (6,407 -> 20,838)
  • Lion (14,324 -> 34,266)
  • Slark (Lane) (15,396 -> 30,426)
  • Weaver (25,342 -> 45,731)
  • Clinkz (31,168 -> 61,833)
  • Mirana (34,910 -> 68,183)
  • Luna (42,572 -> 80,934)
  • Shadow Fiend (79,311 -> 101,547)
  • Terrorblade (86,050 -> 122,345)


Latest Released Guides:
  • Naix (Lane)
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Beastmaster (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - March 10th
+ Show Spoiler [Mar 24] +
After ~15 days (Mar. 10 to Mar. 25), we have risen from 11,694,519 to 13,025,681 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,331,162
Average growth of subscribers is 111,330.607 from 99,953.15


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Juggernaut (1,294)
  • Phantom Lancer (1,112)
  • Tiny (Middle) (941)
  • Invoker (770)
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (579)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Lifestealer (Jungle) (737,338 -> 757,516)
  • Bounty Hunter (166,830 -> 190,690)
  • Luna (80,934 -> 111,375)
  • Meepo (28,208 -> 52,003)
  • Ember Spirit (12,039 -> 36,130)
  • Lion (34,266 -> 52,853)


Latest Released Guides:
  • Naix (Lane)
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Beastmaster (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - March 24th
+ Show Spoiler [Apr 9] +
After ~15 days (Mar. 25 to Apr. 9), we have risen from 13,025,681 to 14,640,324 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,614,643
Average growth of subscribers is 125,130.97 from 111,330.61


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Phantom Lancer (1,374)
  • Slark (Middle) (1,361)
  • Tiny (Middle) (965)
  • Invoker (790)
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (626)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Phantom Assassin (9,821 -> 22,968)
  • Queen of Pain (15,279 -> 32,355)
  • Faceless Void (5,516 -> 36,628)
  • Ember Spirit (36,130 -> 73,227)
  • Weaver (63,090 -> 89,479)
  • Clinkz (84,839 -> 111,540)
  • Mirana (96,509 -> 127,826)


Latest Released Guides:
  • Naix (Lane)
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Beastmaster (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - April 9th
+ Show Spoiler [Apr 24] +
After ~15 days (Apr. 9 to Apr. 24), we have risen from 14,640,324 to 16,154,754 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,514,430
Average growth of subscribers is 134,754.24 from 125,130.97


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Lone Druid (Jungle) (1,520)
  • Slark (Middle) (1,411)
  • Tiny (Middle) (1001)
  • Invoker (800)
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (673)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Luna (146,691 -> 181,478)
  • Zeus (84,722 -> 100,020)
  • Faceless Void (36,628 -> 60,153)
  • Ember Spirit (Lane) (73,227 -> 101,397)
  • Sven (204,354 -> 236,078)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Nyx Assassin (Lane)
  • Axe (Jungle)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Beastmaster (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - April 24th
+ Show Spoiler [May 8] +
After ~15 days (Apr. 24 to May 8), we have risen from 16,154,754 to 17,852,025 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,670,590
Average growth of subscribers is 147,537.40 from 134,754.24


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (759)
  • Invoker (846)
  • Tiny (Middle) (1047)
  • Slark (Middle) (1,487)
  • Longe Druid (Jungle) (1,610)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Phantom Lancer (3,724 -> 14,651)
  • Dazzle (4,133 -> 15,879)
  • Juggernaut (35,334 -> 61,666)
  • Huksar (59,476 -> 81,357)
  • Lion (92,907 -> 110,668)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Nyx Assassin (Lane)
  • Axe (Jungle)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Ursa (Lane)





Associated Reddit Topic - May 8th
+ Show Spoiler [May 22] +
After ~15 days (May 8 to May 22), we have risen from 17,852,025 to 19,767,290 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,915,265
Average growth of subscribers is 162,026.97 from 147,537.40


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Ursa (Lane) (289)
  • Beast Master (Middle) (207)
  • Nyx Assassin (Lane) (201)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle) (169)
  • Ember Spirit (136)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Phantom Lancer (14,651 -> 50,104)
  • Dazzle (15,879 -> 35,024)
  • Faceless Void (85,845 -> 116,488)
  • Mirana (187,849 -> 222,947)
  • Luna (212,349 -> 243,569)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Axe (Jungle)
  • Elder Titan (Lane)





Associated Reddit Topic - May 22nd
+ Show Spoiler [June 6] +
After ~15 days (May 22 to June 6), we have risen from 19,767,290 to 21,802,930 combined subscribers

A difference of 2,035,640
Average growth of subscribers is 178,712.54 from 162,026.97


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Nyx Assassin (Lane) (294)
  • Beastmaster (Middle) (238)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle) (209)
  • Axe (Jungle) (197)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle) (164)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Necrophos


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (448 -> 2,948)
  • Lone Druid (Jungle) (1,717 -> 7,519)
  • Tinker (81,361 -> 102,509)
  • Huskar (105,637 -> 133,977)
  • Sand King (285,320 -> 318,806)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Elder Titan (Lane)





Associated Reddit Topic - June 6th
+ Show Spoiler [June 20] +
After ~15 days (June 6 to June 20), we have risen from 21,802,930 to 23,956,248 combined subscribers

A difference of 2,153,318
Average growth of subscribers is 193,195.55 from 178,712.54


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Beastmaster (Middle) (269)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle) (227)
  • Axe (Jungle) (218)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle) (182)
  • Tusk (Middle) (106)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Necrophos


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (2,948 -> 28,665)
  • Lone Druid (Jungle) (7,519 -> 28,934)
  • Enchantress (75,926 -> 90,296)
  • Phantom Lancer (88,180 -> 125,948)
  • Juggernaut (126,707 -> 163,994)
  • Sand King (318,806 -> 356,684)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Elder Titan (Lane)
  • Naga Siren (Middle)
  • Tusk (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - June 20th
+ Show Spoiler [July 4] +
After ~15 days (June 20 to July 4th), we have risen from 23,956,248 to 25,861,337 combined subscriptions

A difference of 1,905,089
Average growth of subscribers is 208,559.17 from 193,195.55


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle) (257)
  • Axe (Jungle) (254)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle) (206)
  • Tusk (Middle) (136)
  • Elder Titan (Lane) (132)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Necrophos


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (28,665 -> 54,426)
  • Lone Druid (Jungle) (28,934 -> 50,379)
  • Enigma (143,931 -> 165,573)
  • Slark (Lane) (148,178 -> 174,693)
  • Juggernaut (163,994 -> 197,295)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Naga Siren (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - July 4th
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 04 2014 16:00 GMT
#1567
  • Lowest growth since May 8th. (1,670,590)
  • Top 30 guides are approx. 300k subscribers or up (up to 900,000+ in a guide)
  • Top 60 guides are approx. 200k subscribers or up (up to 900,000+ in a guide)
  • Top 100 guides are approx. 100k subscribers or up (up to 900,000+ in a guide)
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 04 2014 16:04 GMT
#1568
So basically more than 1/10 of all dota2 players worldwide are subscribed to your naix guide.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-04 16:09:03
July 04 2014 16:08 GMT
#1569
On July 05 2014 01:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
So basically more than 1/10 of all dota2 players worldwide are subscribed to your naix guide.


We cannot accurately know how many users are active in Dota 2 or how many registered in total (with at least one game played + tutorial).

The statement we can make is that 10% of last month's (June) unique players [8,819,592] are subscribed to the Lifestealer (Jungle) Build.

It's similar to your statement, just clarified. We assume there is at least a minimum of 1.5 million unique subscribers to all the guides. But that would be an off-hand remark and there may be more or less than that.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-04 16:11:32
July 04 2014 16:09 GMT
#1570
Hmmm yeah i suppose some people could be inactive in June but subscribed, I never thought of that.

Still, I trust the magnitude of that achievement isn't lost on you.

E: that assumes an average subscription rate of over 15 guides per subscriber, which seems high? dunno. 2 million uniques seems safe to me but whatever.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 04 2014 16:11 GMT
#1571
On July 05 2014 01:09 Sn0_Man wrote:
Hmmm yeah i suppose some people could be inactive in June but subscribed, I never thought of that.

Still, I trust the magnitude of that achievement isn't lost on you.


It's pretty much my point of optimism at this junction of my life, I am very elated about it (:
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 04 2014 16:15 GMT
#1572
On July 05 2014 01:09 Sn0_Man wrote:
Hmmm yeah i suppose some people could be inactive in June but subscribed, I never thought of that.

Still, I trust the magnitude of that achievement isn't lost on you.

E: that assumes an average subscription rate of over 15 guides per subscriber, which seems high? dunno. 2 million uniques seems safe to me but whatever.


I'm hoping to meet a proper statistician to be able to create some visualizations and statistical estimations on these numbers by October (October would be a full year of doing statistics) so we can have some cool figures and showings.
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Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-10 13:33:46
July 09 2014 10:16 GMT
#1573
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Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-09 14:54:02
July 09 2014 14:44 GMT
#1574
I like the new builds a lot!

I dont know if you want to have everyone be using a max poison dazzle build since its really aggressive and isnt good when you're behind. I'd probably max heal by default since it has really high damage and it lets you stay safer in fights. Skilling dazzle is dumb though so whatever you want is fine.

Your mid naga has maxed mirror image first btw.

Weaver: Max geminate over the swarm is more common than swarm first

Dirge: Want 2-3 points in soul rip after you max tombstone as you can usually get enough zombies to make it strong
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 09 2014 19:07 GMT
#1575
On July 09 2014 23:44 Doomblaze wrote:
I like the new builds a lot!

I dont know if you want to have everyone be using a max poison dazzle build since its really aggressive and isnt good when you're behind. I'd probably max heal by default since it has really high damage and it lets you stay safer in fights. Skilling dazzle is dumb though so whatever you want is fine.

Your mid naga has maxed mirror image first btw.

Weaver: Max geminate over the swarm is more common than swarm first

Dirge: Want 2-3 points in soul rip after you max tombstone as you can usually get enough zombies to make it strong


Thank you.

It's a draft phase. I might change it back to heal but a lot of people prefer the poison instead.

Mid Naga maxes mirror image so she can farm jungle creeps as she is farming mid.

Weaver: Don't you want swarm maxed first for the armor reduction and thus dealing more damage?

I will look into Undying!
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Nethermind
Profile Joined April 2011
New Zealand445 Posts
July 10 2014 04:28 GMT
#1576
Great guides Torte, thanks man.
Torte de Lini
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Last Edited: 2014-07-11 14:46:30
July 10 2014 13:38 GMT
#1577
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Torte de Lini
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Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-10 20:54:17
July 10 2014 13:40 GMT
#1578
On July 10 2014 13:28 Nethermind wrote:
Great guides Torte, thanks man.


Thank you very much

edit: I guess the Doom build I'm seeing at TI4 should be in the guides?
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Last Edited: 2014-07-11 14:58:43
July 11 2014 14:46 GMT
#1579
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 11 2014 14:53 GMT
#1580
On the topic of doom,

There are indeed 2 common progressions
1) Mana boots -> Mek. The theory here being that doom can always achieve a reasonable mek timing with devour and doesn't have to contribute right-click if he can just cast DOOM + Mek. Offlane/mid dooms can do this too, it isn't necessarily a "4-position only" build. It usually continues into blink and then usually supporty items (think vlads) but it varies.
2) Midas -> Blink -> (mana item often shivas) -> BKB -> Refresher. A more farmy core build, aiming for the fastest double-doom possible (You need a shivas or aghs or similar to actually cast doom + refresher + doom). The BKB timing can be earlier or later but usually it ends up being right where I put it. Boots here vary but tranqs aren't uncommon as 4 armor is BIG for doom.
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