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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-23 14:46:46
April 21 2014 22:10 GMT
#1241
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-22 15:17:27
April 22 2014 08:40 GMT
#1242
Fixed in Witch Doctor, Invoker, Lycan and a whole slew of updates. Jesus.

I'm going to reinvestigate Ember Spirit, maybe change his build. I maxed flame guard because it seems to be the most potent, but honestly; I don't know.

I'm thinking of adding a second battlefury to core items as well

Guides to do:

Elder Titan (Lane)
Tusk (Middle)


In other news, Lifestealer guide hits 800,000 subscribers. A first for all guides in the world
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
April 22 2014 09:54 GMT
#1243
Adding a jungle axe would be helpful imo. You mention lane is better for axe but due to picks, sometimes it is impossible to lane properly against some line-ups or you already have a good offlaner. So going to jungle is a safe/reliable way to acquire gold and xp. Axe jungle really rocks especially in dire side. Tranquils into blink is devastating.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 22 2014 09:59 GMT
#1244
On April 22 2014 18:54 Laserist wrote:
Adding a jungle axe would be helpful imo. You mention lane is better for axe but due to picks, sometimes it is impossible to lane properly against some line-ups or you already have a good offlaner. So going to jungle is a safe/reliable way to acquire gold and xp. Axe jungle really rocks especially in dire side. Tranquils into blink is devastating.


I'm doing Mid Ember Spirit now where the build will not be maxing Flameguard, but rather the stuns and Sleight of Fist.

Maybe flameguard is better on mid and the Bolas/Sleight better for laning. I'm not sure.

I will do an Axe jungle later today. I'm at work, so progress is sporatic ):
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
April 22 2014 10:30 GMT
#1245
What is the thought process behind maxing flameguard is better in general?
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Surprise.820
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1276 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-22 10:49:05
April 22 2014 10:48 GMT
#1246
On April 22 2014 19:30 Laserist wrote:
What is the thought process behind maxing flameguard is better in general?


Probs has a hunch that it's better for farming but hasn't realised how strong Ember still is when he comes out of a safelane if you can get SoF/Bola levels early. Depends what you want out of the hero.
Erase and improve
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 22 2014 11:08 GMT
#1247
On April 22 2014 19:48 Surprise.820 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 19:30 Laserist wrote:
What is the thought process behind maxing flameguard is better in general?


Probs has a hunch that it's better for farming but hasn't realised how strong Ember still is when he comes out of a safelane if you can get SoF/Bola levels early. Depends what you want out of the hero.


Haven't decided if I want it mid or lane.

Mid I see it as being a more active hero around the map and helping out with its early levels while safelane, I see it as farming hard.

So I might put Bolas/SF for lane
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-22 12:08:01
April 22 2014 11:34 GMT
#1248
edit
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BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
April 22 2014 11:45 GMT
#1249
On April 22 2014 18:59 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 18:54 Laserist wrote:
Adding a jungle axe would be helpful imo. You mention lane is better for axe but due to picks, sometimes it is impossible to lane properly against some line-ups or you already have a good offlaner. So going to jungle is a safe/reliable way to acquire gold and xp. Axe jungle really rocks especially in dire side. Tranquils into blink is devastating.


I'm doing Mid Ember Spirit now where the build will not be maxing Flameguard, but rather the stuns and Sleight of Fist.

Maybe flameguard is better on mid and the Bolas/Sleight better for laning. I'm not sure.

I will do an Axe jungle later today. I'm at work, so progress is sporatic ):


Wow, I was totally looking for a Jungle Axe guide too. I know I've said it before but it should be mentioned again, thanks for your work here TDL. I've managed to get ~10 playing Dota with your guides, all of whom thought it was too overwhelming without them. Bravo.
Surprise.820
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1276 Posts
April 22 2014 11:55 GMT
#1250
Sent you a really positive PM, TDL.
Erase and improve
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-22 12:00:35
April 22 2014 12:00 GMT
#1251
On April 22 2014 20:45 BoZiffer wrote:
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On April 22 2014 18:59 Torte de Lini wrote:
On April 22 2014 18:54 Laserist wrote:
Adding a jungle axe would be helpful imo. You mention lane is better for axe but due to picks, sometimes it is impossible to lane properly against some line-ups or you already have a good offlaner. So going to jungle is a safe/reliable way to acquire gold and xp. Axe jungle really rocks especially in dire side. Tranquils into blink is devastating.


I'm doing Mid Ember Spirit now where the build will not be maxing Flameguard, but rather the stuns and Sleight of Fist.

Maybe flameguard is better on mid and the Bolas/Sleight better for laning. I'm not sure.

I will do an Axe jungle later today. I'm at work, so progress is sporatic ):


Wow, I was totally looking for a Jungle Axe guide too. I know I've said it before but it should be mentioned again, thanks for your work here TDL. I've managed to get ~10 playing Dota with your guides, all of whom thought it was too overwhelming without them. Bravo.


Jungle Axe just needs description and it'll be ready for initial looks and redrafting.

Thanks :D That's very warming to hear! I get a lot of feedback from Sn0_Man, TheYango and Firebolt415; so it makes this work a lot less difficult to overcome in terms of figuring heroes out

On April 22 2014 20:55 Surprise.820 wrote:
Sent you a really positive PM, TDL.


Please post it here!! I get too many messages everywhere; even if it is long, it is ok!
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-22 15:09:45
April 22 2014 12:44 GMT
#1252
edit
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
April 22 2014 14:45 GMT
#1253
I generally go stout+tango x1 + RoA as starters and rush tranquil. Ferry a set of tango if necessary. 2 iron branch doesn't provide anything against strong medium camp creeps does chaos damage. I'd move hood to situational. Axe needs survivability in terms of armor & hp in the end so casual platemail or vitality are strong. I only have mana management problems if I go too aggressive.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 22 2014 14:52 GMT
#1254
Both Axe and Bristleback are heroes I'm currently iffy about. I'm debating if I want to put vanguard back on Bristleback and slot priority of Hood of Defiance onto situational items.

Building both heroes has been a real trouble for me because they don't need anything, but there is too much situation to dictate how the next item should be.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-23 14:46:54
April 22 2014 15:12 GMT
#1255
edit
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 22 2014 15:15 GMT
#1256
That'll be all the new guides for this update (to the 24th). I will look into improving them and fixing them up. Specifically:

Witchdoctor
Nyx Assassin (lane/middle)
Axe (jungle/lane)
Ember Spirit (lane/middle)
Gyrocopter

So any help there or anywhere really is appreciated :D
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firebfm
Profile Joined April 2014
22 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-23 00:26:28
April 23 2014 00:19 GMT
#1257
Your dazzle skill build is not good. Shadow wave should be maxed first, not last. Also put no poison touch until level 9 and no ultimate until level 10. You are missing urn of shadows on spirit breaker. For zeus, static field at level 2 for the harass because low level lightning bolt is so weak.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-23 00:27:23
April 23 2014 00:25 GMT
#1258
On April 23 2014 09:19 firebfm wrote:
Your dazzle skill build is not good. Shadow wave should be maxed first, not last. Also put no poison touch until level 9 and no ultimate until level 10. You are missing urn of shadows on spirit breaker.

well urn is good on SB so ur not TOTALLY wrong.

Dazzle's a bitch to level really, its super situational. However, no poison touch is hilarously wrong for most pubs and maxing shadow wave is only good if you know you can get multiple off per fight or you can guarantee the enemies will stand in the middle of a bunch of units.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-23 05:46:32
April 23 2014 05:43 GMT
#1259
edit
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-23 07:22:28
April 23 2014 05:46 GMT
#1260
On April 23 2014 09:19 firebfm wrote:
Your dazzle skill build is not good. Shadow wave should be maxed first, not last. Also put no poison touch until level 9 and no ultimate until level 10. You are missing urn of shadows on spirit breaker. For zeus, static field at level 2 for the harass because low level lightning bolt is so weak.


Posting on the guides directly and just saying they suck is not helpful. I deleted the comments, but please don't do that.

- Dazzle skill build is correct. The heal is situational, but the ranged Shallow Grave is perfectly legitimate.
- I will add urn for Spirit Breaker.
- The Zeus discussion has already been talked about: see below

On October 21 2013 07:31 TheYango wrote:
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On October 21 2013 07:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
The build should almost universally be Chain lightning/Static Field/Bolt/Bolt/Bolt/Ult/Bolt.

at level 3 the damage is probably about the same Chain/Lvl2 Bolt vs Chain/Bolt/Static Field isn't it? plus the extra harass.

Do the math on what their max HP needs to be for 5% current HP to come close to Bolt's +75 damage. It's well beyond what you'd reasonably see on a level 3 enemy hero.

The only time you'd take Static at 2 or 3 is if you have zero kill potential or you're behind enough that you won't get your Bottle soon and can't afford to spend mana on Bolt anyway (and even in that case, 1 rank Static won't change the lane if you're that behind, while having more damage in a gank might if it gets you a kill when someone comes to help you out). Chain/Bolt/Bolt far outdamages Chain/Static/Bolt in any situation where you're attempting a kill early game and it's not remotely close.


On October 21 2013 07:03 TheYango wrote:
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On October 21 2013 06:15 KnT wrote:
I find that when you go mid, you're unlikely to get many kills/assists pre-ultimate so it generally works out better to stick the 2nd point in Static Field and then max out Lightning Bolt for the last hits/harassment

Zeus is very capable of getting kills without Ultimate. You can only do it solo in lower-mid level pubs, but if you're not maxing Bolt at 3 and 5 you void the possibility of your supports ganking effectively for you against a lot of heroes because you don't have the damage to finish a kill.

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