EPTQuoting an edit I did that u may have missed:
Perfectly legit build: Phase/Drums/SnY/Basher->Abyssal hell that even skips armlet which you could inject in there too
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Sn0_Man
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Quoting an edit I did that u may have missed: | ||
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On March 22 2014 00:36 Sn0_Man wrote: AM needs a quelling blade but not to go to lane with (go with a stout shield and sufficient regen, buy the quelling from side shop). On AM, quelling isn't a last-hit-assist. It is used to speed up jungle and wave clear. AA rushes aghs always excepting the rare cases when he needs mek. Immediately after which he rushes aghs. Everything else sucks on him in comparison. Skill build is fluid but max E is the most common/popular in side lanes. AA mid sucks dick even though Yango likes it cuz he remembers dendi AA from TI1 or something. It doesn't happen ever and shouldn't be a guide since it's simply so unpopular. Mobility items on him fall squarely under the "JESUS URSA HAS A BLINK" category. Centaur's the only hero that can justify a hood very often since the regen and magic resist are godly for farming with double edge. Please don't get vanguard on cent its actually the worst thing on earth. Armlet sven sucks. Soul ring DK is a safe-lane farming carry build but its reasonable. Clock isn't a "guide-able" hero so while i'm unsure what the current build is, you can argue for literally any build on clock. I don't have comments on enchantress that hero's unuseably bad. Hyperstone isn't "core" idgaf wat u say. Perfectly legit build: Phase/Drums/SnY/Basher->Abyssal hell that even skips armlet which you could inject in there too I'll edit the description to reflect that. We've went over the AA and Aghs situation, I think even Yango was on the other side, meaning not rushing Aghs and for me it made sense as well given I'm not farming with this hero whatsoever. I think with AA guide is that it is more popular than the side-lane one ): I'll remove Armlet on Sven I'll keep DK and I'll take another look at Naix ): Forcing my hand here | ||
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Removed Drums of Endurance Moved Force Staff to Situational Items Moved Necromonicon to Core Items Added Black King Bar to Situational Items Moved Aghanim's to Extension Items Moved Veil of Discord to Situational Items Medusa Added Monkey King Bar to Employee Discount Batrider Removed Phase Boots Added Description for Boots of Speed Chen Added Magic Wand to Early Game Dark Seer Removed Drums of Endurance Moved Pipe of Insight to Situational Items Dazzle Removed Soul Ring Doom (Lane) Removed Armlet of Mordiggan Drow Ranger Removed 1x Wratih Band Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items Earth Spirit Moved Force Staff to Core Items Elder Titan Moved Drums of Endurance to Situational Items IO Removed Soul Ring Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items Added Tranquil Boots to Situational Items Lich Removed Drums of Endurance Magnus Removed Drums of Endurance Added Assault Cuirass as Situational Items Added Shiva's Guard as Extension Items Night Stalker Added Armlet of Mordiggan Rubick Removed Drums of Endurance Shadow Demon Removed Drums of Endurance Moved Force Staff to Core Items Storm Spirit Moved Black King Bar to Core Items Moved Linken's Sphere to Situational Items Terrorblade Added Orb of Venom to Early Game (before boots of speed) Tidehunter Removed Drums of Endurance Timbersaw Removed Drums of Endurance Witch Doctor Moved Mekansm to Core Items Moved Drums of Endurance to Situational Items Axe Moved Mekansm to Core Items Moved Blade Mail to Extension Items Added Shiva's Guard to Extension Items Windranger Removed Eth. Blade Mirana Added Maelstrom to Core Items Chaos Knight Removed Soul Ring Crystal Maiden Moved Force Staff to Core Items Removed Drums of Endurance Huskar Removed Drums of Endurance Sven Removed Armlet of Mordiggan Naix (Jungle) BitterlyRemoved Hyperstone from Core Items Naix (Lane) BitterlyRemoved Hyperstone from Core Items Enchantress Removed Arcane Boots Added Treads to Core Items To Consider Ursa Do Ursa Lane Guide Treant Protector "No drums pls. I don't get the necrobook. There's no reason that necro is any better for treant than any other hero." Abaddon "Get rid of drums. It doesn't give that much for a support compared to a carry." Disruptor Get eul's off. A well-played disruptor doesn't need help trapping with field. I would put mek into core. | ||
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Sn0_Man
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And a big part of the reason to go AC is for armor. If u feel like ur damage is sucking then AC isn't the item u want. So while the hyperstone is often the first buy it isn't even close to always the first part of an AC. Euls sucks on disraptor. Drums is more of a "I need 9 all stats" item which is very situational, not cookie-cutter put in a build. This goes for tree, ench, etc. | ||
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But you're right about Maelstrom. I'll remove Hyperstone, but my heart says go hyperstone bwahaha | ||
TheYango
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EDIT: Holy shit that was a late response. Others: Beastmaster (Middle) "It's far more useful to go mek-->blink--THEN Aghs, especially in pubs where hero kills matter a lot." No, though as I mentioned last time when I gave you stuff to update this hero, I pointed out that Necro is a more typical follow-up than Agha. Blink at all on Beastmaster has been increasingly rare for the last few years, largely because people have increasingly recognized the value of combat stats on that hero. Pugna "Arc boots really isn't necessary. He has gigantic int gain that means his mana pool gets very large very quick. He needs the hp from treads." No. The hero's strength is largely predicated on his early push timings with Meka, so while he *eventually* outgrows the need for Arcanes, Arcanes are just far too useful at the timings where you would actually have them. If you were going to not get Arcanes, then you would either keep Brown Boots or get Travels, because while its true he needs HP, Treads are not an efficient way to get it when the hero doesn't use the attack speed. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
I like arcanes since pugna wants to be pushing from levels 5-11 and at that stage he doesn't have the mana to do it. Arcanes helps but doesn't even fix it by itself. However, its true that after not too long arcanes turns into a drop in the vast bucket of pugna's 4.0 int gain. I think valve recommends phase, which are kinda fun. Pugna starts with 320ms I believe so with phase he's actually very very mobile. However, with 4.0 int gain he doesn't really need the right click dmg and it's debatable the actual value of the phase active. I don't like treads, since tread swapping isn't close to managing Pugna's mana issues. I mean, the attack speed is cute for pushing considering how fast his right click scales but I don't think it's worth it. Spending 950 gold to add 8 strength isn't worth it either, for those who make the survivability argument. Tranqs are rejected, he can drain life fine, moves plenty fast anyway, and armor is absolutely irrelevant. Travs are actually hella fun since you demolish towers like a beast. You can rat decently well with pugna with travs and moving at 420ms (huehuehue) is pretty fun too. However, I prefer these as a "post-arcanes-disassembly" option since rushing them sucks. Of course, pugna also has a lot of other items he wants/needs so the trav's upgrade isn't always worth it. | ||
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check patch notes above. For AA lane, the we have a mix of Chilling touch and maxing Cold Feet first which I feel is the most all-around useful given the nature of the hero. I know for mid, most prefer chilling touch; but it is so fluid on how to build him that I kept it with stats for last hits and Cold Feet max. What I feel can be done is minimizing the amount of core items for AA to make getting Aghanim's remotely feasible; but maybe it's best to just let them as be. | ||
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I'll take another look at AA (lane and middle) and Beastmaster (lane and middle) AA (Lane) AA (Middle) BM (Lane) BM (Middle) | ||
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for Mid AA, we get an Atos; which maybe we put as situational for an early Aghs; but I don't know. | ||
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Sn0_Man
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4-1-1-1 (first point either fury swipes for lasthitting or earthshock for killing, depends on opposition) Early game: Phase/basi Core: blink/vlads/BKB Extension or luxury or w/e: (Abyssal or Hex) + heart Vlads is overrated but probably still worth it since the situations where you can skip it are often somewhat team-reliant. @Yango: I understand the logic behind it but its wildly unpopular and I maintain that it is throwing away a lot of potential. His E is brutal. | ||
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On March 22 2014 01:33 TheYango wrote: Honestly you could just take mid AA out if we're going to disagree over it, because people probably aren't going to play it anyway. I enjoy the back and forth, from personal experience; I think it is good. Also, AA (Mid guide) is the 15th most popular guide: Ancient Apparition (Middle): 203,316 subscribers. So people play it. Just posterity: Lifestealer (Jungle) Nyx Assassin Skywrath Mage Leshrac Medusa Bane Ursa Venomancer Pugna Necrolyte Broodmother Windranger Legion Commander (Jungle) Chen Ancient Apparition (Middle) These are the 15 most popular guides back on March 10th. | ||
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On March 22 2014 01:37 Sn0_Man wrote: Do they play it mid tho? i mean, u can't know but I'm guessing they don't XD. No idea, but the side-lane one needs more ratings to get into the database; then we might see a shift. | ||
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TheYango
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On March 22 2014 01:34 Sn0_Man wrote: Vlads is overrated but probably still worth it since the situations where you can skip it are often somewhat team-reliant. If you're going to get Vlad's I wouldn't max Earthshock first. 4-1-1-1 matches the timings for Blink first, but if you get a Vlad's first, you get this weird time where you have to farm but got Earthshock instead of Swipes/Overpower. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Regardless, yes ES max should include blink first though a basi is still worth it imo. There's also some merit to mana boots in a ES-max build but u may get flamed for doing that. Mana boots happen to be fast as fuck. | ||
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