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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
March 09 2014 10:27 GMT
#1101
I really cannot see a situation where you'd want a Bloodstone over a Sheep
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 09 2014 10:35 GMT
#1102
Meepo

New Skill Build: Q W R W W E W Q Q Q E E E (1. Poof 2. Earthbind 3. Geostrike)
Added Tango, Tango, Healing Salve, Ring of Protection and Branch to Starting Items
Added Ring of Basilius to Early Game
Added Orb of Venom to Situational Items

Ancient Apparition (Middle)

Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items
Moved Rod of Atos to Core Items

Ancient Apparition (Lane)

New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q E E W R W W W (1. Cold Feet 2. Chilling Touch 3. Ice Vortex)
Starting Items: Courier, 3x Branches, Tangos and Healing Salve
Early Game: Arcane Boots, Wand
Core Items: Urn of Shadows, Force Staff, Rod of Atos
Utility Items: Flying Courier, Obs. Wards, Sentries Wards, Dust of Appearance, Gem of True Sight, Smoke of Deceit
Situational Items: Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Ghost Scepter
Extension Items: Aghanim's Scepter, Scythe of Vyse, Shiva's Guard

Zeus

Added Scythe of Vyse to Extension
Changed Skill Build: Q WW E W R W E E E R Q Q Q (1. Lightning Bolt 2. Static Field 3. Arc Lightning)

To-do Guides:
  • Axe (Jungle) Guide
  • Elder Titan (Lane) Guide
  • Tusk (Middle) Guide
  • Nyx (Lane) Guide
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 09 2014 10:38 GMT
#1103
Today/Tomorrow I'll be doing the analytics for these guides to see how much they've grown. I do this every ~15 days.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-10 10:41:38
March 10 2014 09:22 GMT
#1104
+ Show Spoiler [Statistical History] +
On February 22 2014 02:42 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 18:01 Torte de Lini wrote:

After ~15 days (Jan. 17 to Feb. 4), we have risen from 7,154,041 to 8,708,486 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,554,445

Average growth of subscribers is 77,066.25 from 65,036.74


Top 10 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Dazzle
  • Faceless Void (recently updated)
  • Lion (recently updated)
  • Phantom Lancer
  • Juggernaut (recently updated)
  • Meepo (needs verification)
  • Tiny [Middle]
  • Invoker (sorely outdated)
  • Ember Spirit
  • Legion Commander [Lane]


Top 10 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage (needs verification)
  • Leshrac
  • Bane
  • Ursa
  • Medusa
  • Venomancer (needs verification)
  • Ancient Apparition
  • Broodmother (recently updated)


After ~15 days (Feb. 5 to Feb. 22), we have risen from 8,708,486 to 10,197,41 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,488,955
Average growth of subscribers is 90,242.84 from 77,066.25


Top 10 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Lone Druid [Jungle]
  • Slark [Middle]
  • Meepo
  • Faceless Void
  • Dazzle
  • Juggernaut
  • Phantom Lancer
  • Tiny [Middle]
  • Invoker
  • Legion Commander [Lane]


Top 10 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Bane
  • Ursa
  • Medusa
  • Venomancer
  • Pugna
  • Broodmother


It has officially been 1 year since the guide system release (and when I started this project)!


After ~15 days (Feb. 22 to Mar. 10), we have risen from 10,197,451 to 11,694,519 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,496,978
Average growth of subscribers is 99,953.15 from 90,242.93


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Juggernaut (1,219)
  • Phantom Lancer (1,058)
  • Tiny (Middle) (910)
  • Invoker (762)
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (510)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Meepo (1,164 -> 28,208)
  • Ember Spirit (2,358 -> 12,039)
  • Spirit Breaker (4,981 -> 16,666)
  • Pudge (5,900 -> 13,496)
  • Lina (6,407 -> 20,838)
  • Lion (14,324 -> 34,266)
  • Slark (Lane) (15,396 -> 30,426)
  • Weaver (25,342 -> 45,731)
  • Clinkz (31,168 -> 61,833)
  • Mirana (34,910 -> 68,183)
  • Luna (42,572 -> 80,934)
  • Shadow Fiend (79,311 -> 101,547)
  • Terrorblade (86,050 -> 122,345)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Naix (Lane)
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Beastmaster (Middle)





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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 10 2014 10:16 GMT
#1105
In other news, I wish I could alter the first post so that it is grid with hero images redirecting to each guide ):
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
March 10 2014 18:16 GMT
#1106
Hey Torte, I just wanted to say that the immense amount of work you have put into this is nothing short of amazing. I may have mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I have had this bookmarked for quite a while, and it is my go-to when looking up hero builds. Keep up the good work and congrats on your success with the guides thus far.

<3
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 11 2014 14:41 GMT
#1107
Thank you very much! I appreciate any ratings for new guides released: it's really the best way to show your appreciation: http://steamcommunity.com/id/0825771/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=570

Speaking of ratings: http://steamcommunity.com/app/570/guides/?searchText=&browsefilter=toprated&browsesort=creationorder&requiredtags[]=-1&requiredtags[]=Hero Build

We currently occupy 8 of the 30 slots of the most top-rated hero builds (:
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logawa
Profile Joined March 2014
Brazil13 Posts
March 11 2014 16:47 GMT
#1108
An early point in Lina's E is good ? Maybe WQQEQR or WQQEWR.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 11 2014 16:48 GMT
#1109
Early point in Lina's E is situational based on how fast you are levelling and how many right clicks you manage to contribute in fights (more than some supports considering her 635 range). Cookie-cutter build without is probably fine.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 11 2014 16:55 GMT
#1110
Generally you don't level Fiery Soul until you've maxed the two nukes. There are some exceptions, but as Sn0_Man said, cookie-cutter omitting it is fine, since this is generally the norm.
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 17:59:53
March 11 2014 17:56 GMT
#1111
On March 10 2014 19:16 Torte de Lini wrote:
In other news, I wish I could alter the first post so that it is grid with hero images redirecting to each guide ):

gotta get them mod powers

On March 12 2014 01:55 TheYango wrote:
Generally you don't level Fiery Soul until you've maxed the two nukes. There are some exceptions, but as Sn0_Man said, cookie-cutter omitting it is fine, since this is generally the norm.

It's kind of a gimmick playstyle, but leaving q/w at level 1 for the lower mana costs and having 1/1/4/1 + phase + medallion works pretty well against unsuspecting pubs. Needs a lot of team protecting you / supports camping lane for you, but you dish out a fuckton of damage and take towers really fast.
:)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 11 2014 18:05 GMT
#1112
If by "gimmick" you mean "really bad" then ur spot on.

you cant out-auto ur nuke damage until well after u can have at least slave + inner fire maxed. Leaving LSA at level 1 is generally still bad but justifiable if ur trolling. Plus if you max inner fire then you can't even farm well which I'd assume is how you transition a right-click based build into mid-late game.

PPS the first level in inner fire is way way better than the next ones anyway.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 18:12:09
March 11 2014 18:11 GMT
#1113
That's the thing. Any apparent benefit from a "carry" Lina that maxes Fiery Soul first is outweighed by the fact that max nukes farms faster and transitions into carrying better off that higher farming speed.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 11 2014 18:15 GMT
#1114
Actually, on the subject of lina, your combo is higher damage if you get 3 in slave then max LSA due to how the abilities scale (both of them scale really really unintuitively). However, slave's shorter cd and longer range/AoE means that you will still generally output more teamfight damage with it maxed first.

Just a little-known lina tip.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
March 11 2014 18:25 GMT
#1115
Main reason I still max DS over LSA is because DS is more dependable to hit.
Moderator
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 11:32:44
March 14 2014 10:51 GMT
#1116
I'm finding rushing Aghanim's on Pugna to be real fucking annoying. I don't think I've ever seen it lose.
The idea of rushing Aghanim's feels bad, but thus far; it has proven to be more dominant and effect in team-rights than the other items I have on the current Pugna build; which feels dated to how he is currently being played.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
March 14 2014 12:21 GMT
#1117
Bottle should be on there as situational when he's played mid. Laning Pugna probably will skip it.

Drums should probably be taken out, or moved to situational. Mek should certainly stay core.

I'd probably change Necro1 to Necro3 (being a bit nitpicky) and move that over to Extension just because it's so damn good and it fits with how you play the hero.
Moderator
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
March 14 2014 12:45 GMT
#1118
i almost never get aghs on pugna, mana items or nec3 seems better in most cases. I like to get euls or sheep on him, rarely get force, never get drums.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 12:48:20
March 14 2014 12:47 GMT
#1119
Oh yeah I'd definitely move Force to situational as well.

edit: Basically I think your guide paints him too much as a support hero when he really should be played as a core.
Moderator
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 14 2014 12:50 GMT
#1120
I agree I paint him as too much support.
Also, you can't change Necro1 to Necro3, there is only the Necro1 icon.

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